So, how many years will it take for Ippo to strike back? 5 years?
Hajime no Ippo
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Training is definitely not his main problem, so I doubt it would require a lot of fights to get back in the world title race. Although if he could change his fighting style in order to take less hits, it would be a good thing.
He mainly need to change his state of mind and become hungry for a chance to fight Martinez. I find him way too passive in his career.
Anyway, I'm hoping for the next arc to focus on either Sendou, Mashiba, Miyata or Takamura. -
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That's Ippo's problem: he doesn't fight for himself enough.
I don't believe that's necessarily true. The main reason Ippo got into boxing was to achieve something for himself. To know how it feels to be strong.
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[/hide]He is still striving for that goal because he doesn't believe he has reached it yet.[hide]
[/hide]He's not at the gym killing himself only for other people's benefit. I see him training hard to reach his goal and, yes, he likes to please his peers and his teacher but he has always kept that ultimate goal in mind every time he swings his fist. Is that not enough? Should his goals be more lofty or materialistic? I don't know, that's not the kind of character I want to see emerge from these developments.Maybe he forgot that goal momentarily in this match and fought only to see how effective "their" boxing style was against the world, but most of the time Ippo has been pretty solid on reaching his goal.
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He dragged the second (or third since there's a number 1 challenger ?) best boxer in his category into the streetfight spiral.
Nobody can escape that, not even Martinez or Miyata.
Second. There's still a first-ranked boxer in the league (don't forget there are two other belts they can aim for if they choose, the WBA and IBF, I think?).
I don't believe that's necessarily true. The main reason Ippo got into boxing was to achieve something for himself. To know how it feels to be strong.
[hide]http://i57.tinypic.com/6f34fl.png[/hide]He is still striving for that goal because he doesn't believe he has reached it yet.
[hide]http://i62.tinypic.com/30hsvux.jpg[/hide]He's not at the gym killing himself only for other people's benefit. I see him training hard to reach his goal and, yes, he likes to please his peers and his teacher but he has always kept that ultimate goal in mind every time he swings his fist. Is that not enough? Should his goals be more lofty or materialistic? I don't know, that's not the kind of character I want to see emerge from these developments.
Maybe he forgot that goal momentarily in this match and fought only to see how effective "their" boxing style was against the world, but most of the time Ippo has been pretty solid on reaching his goal.
That's true, but right now we're in an arc where it's being pointed out that he's seeming to forget that he IS in a competitive sport. Finding the meaning of strength is a good thing, but if you don't keep your ambitions high, your ass is trash. Cases in point: When the final blow was hit in the fight, Gonzales was thinking about going to the TOP, while Ippo was just thinking about going to the WORLD. A slight but significant difference. Ippo wasn't thinking about reaching the highest ground, just getting to the world stage in general.
Another case: Before the fight Ippo has a conversation with Mashima about how he doesn't want to come home too wounded to worry his mother. Which Mashima points out is a weak point for someone who wants to win in a fight.
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[/hide]All these are part of Ippo's character, but it should be part of his character growth to make a compromise between his current self and the hardened boxer he needs to be in order to REALLY take on the world.
Hell, he may fall into a coma after this, which will make him have to face his mother head on in terms of wanting to continue boxing.
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whoa! Ippo = Pacquiao, Gonzales = Marquez. Same punch, same "position" after getting KOed. Loved it (even it brings bad memories for being a Pacquiao fan heh).
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Second. There's still a first-ranked boxer in the league (don't forget there are two other belts they can aim for if they choose, the WBA and IBF, I think?).
That's true, but right now we're in an arc where it's being pointed out that he's seeming to forget that he IS in a competitive sport. Finding the meaning of strength is a good thing, but if you don't keep your ambitions high, your ass is trash. Cases in point: When the final blow was hit in the fight, Gonzales was thinking about going to the TOP, while Ippo was just thinking about going to the WORLD. A slight but significant difference. Ippo wasn't thinking about reaching the highest ground, just getting to the world stage in general.
Another case: Before the fight Ippo has a conversation with Mashima about how he doesn't want to come home too wounded to worry his mother. Which Mashima points out is a weak point for someone who wants to win in a fight.
[hide] http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/231/93-1011.0/compressed/f016.jpg?v=11370036111[/hide]All these are part of Ippo's character, but it should be part of his character growth to make a compromise between his current self and the hardened boxer he needs to be in order to REALLY take on the world.
Hell, he may fall into a coma after this, which will make him have to face his mother head on in terms of wanting to continue boxing.
Yeah, that's why I was thinking Ippo lost because his goal and conviction for this match was too short-sighted. I was re-reading the interview he gave and this is basically the answer he gave for why he was in this match.
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Why does he need years to strike back? He already have psyhical strength and stamina, he don't need extensive years long training to learn new techniques.
….our time years, not Ippo years. As in, how many real life years will it take for the manga to get to the point where Ippo goes to challenge the world again.
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….our time years, not Ippo years. As in, how many real life years will it take for the manga to get to the point where Ippo goes to challenge the world again.
Is someone getting impatient? I read Ippo because it's interesting, not because I'm just waiting for a moment when Ippo becomes champion. I don't understand this kind of complaint (that is, if it really is a complaint).
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I understand the worry about the manga running for too long. Its already been coming out since 89, I believe. Every chapter is interesting but there are possible downsides for it to run too long. One of them is having to "wait" another decade or more to reach some sort of conclusion.
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The problem isn't simply the length, One Piece is fucking long, the problem is the feeling that NOTHING gets accomplished. It's been going around in circles for over a thousand chapters, we've just had a fight now which ultimately translates to Ippo is back to square one and has to rework his way back to the top. Like fucking PROGRESS already.
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He almost defeated the number 2 in the world. It's not like he will suddenly be ranked 100th after that single defeat.
And as it was said earlier in the manga, the line to get to fight Martinez is quite short since a lot of boxers are avoiding him by aiming at the other federation's belt.
If he evolves thanks to that defeat, I could see Ippo facing Martinez after 3 or less fights (less than 2 years in the manga). -
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The problem isn't simply the length, One Piece is fucking long, the problem is the feeling that NOTHING gets accomplished. It's been going around in circles for over a thousand chapters, we've just had a fight now which ultimately translates to Ippo is back to square one and has to rework his way back to the top. Like fucking PROGRESS already.
Ippo has been progressing in his career for hundreds and hundreds of chapters, since his last defeat. He has been moving up in rank and status ever since then. And he won't get back to square 1 with just one defeat against the number 2 of the world where he was the challenger. When he was last defeated, it just took Ippo two fights to succeed where he had failed and become champion.
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He almost defeated the number 2 in the world. It's not like he will suddenly be ranked 100th after that single defeat.
And as it was said earlier in the manga, the line to get to fight Martinez is quite short since a lot of boxers are avoiding him by aiming at the other federation's belt.
If he evolves thanks to that defeat, I could see Ippo facing Martinez after 3 or less fights (less than 2 years in the manga).Hahaha, cute that you think that.
Ippo has been progressing in his career for hundreds and hundreds of chapters, since his last defeat. He has been moving up in rank and status ever since then. And he won't get back to square 1 with just one defeat against the number 2 of the world where he was the challenger. When he was last defeated, it just took Ippo two fights to succeed where he had failed and become champion.
The point of this arc was how Ippo has gotten weaker as in he's gone backwards, this is the total opposite of progress.
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@TLC:
The point of this arc was how Ippo has gotten weaker as in he's gone backwards, this is the total opposite of progress.
You were talking about the last thousand chapters, not the most current arc.
Which, by the way, is a setback not much unlike what the straw hats experienced at the hands of Kuma and the following timeskip. In other words, a necessary setback/defeat so that he can become stronger than ever and become ready to actually take on the world title.
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I used this arc as an emphasis on how this series has been going around in circles but this is a problem pervasive throughout the entire series, there's just this huge stagnation with the character, there are just so many fights of his that did nothing to progress the character, that continuously repeat the formula of him getting wailed on for twenty chapters before maing an epic comeback, that was fine at the start but he should be above this by now yet we suffered through Hajime no Woli where he got completely schooled by a newbie and now this, his first step against the World and most of the fight was his opponent caving his face in.
Maybe this development will finally give him the kick in the pants to start fighting like a pro, if it does, about fucking time.
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Ippo retires due to accumulated damage, series is split into a slice of life story following Ippo's (and his friends') misadventures while the rest of the cast continues to have regular fights.
…what? The slice of life portion of the manga is still golden, and the mangaka can still do good fights (Itagaki's last few fights were quite good)… just not with Ippo when they're dragged out.
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Excuse my language but: Jesus fucking christ that counter punch straightened my spine out.
Now I'm all for other characters having motivations, goals and hunger for their arcs, but I can't hep but feel a little defeated when their passion outweighs the protagonists. Its kind of a bittersweet feeling, leaning more on the bitter side since you think its cool that such a character will go places and has the drive and determination to beat the main character to get there. But at the end of the day, the hero falls and that's a hard pill to swallow after all the hard work they went through just isn't enough. Kind of a big hopeless feeling crashing down on you.
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Hmm…a man--a champion--needs to be crushed every once in a while. He needs to be broken, convinced he is entirely wrong and worth nothing more than the ant shit he unwittingly steps in. This will do Ippo good. This will make him angry. Angry men make things happen. Angry champions take back their thrones.
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@Yuugi's:
Hmm…a man--a champion--needs to be crushed every once in a while. He needs to be broken, convinced he is entirely wrong and worth nothing more than the ant shit he unwittingly steps in. This will do Ippo good. This will make him angry. Angry men make things happen. Angry champions take back their thrones.
So he goes back and recaptures the Japanese featherweight title from Imai? for not only beating his kouhai but for stealing his hairstyle too?
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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So he goes back and recaptures the Japanese featherweight title from Imai? for not only beating his kouhai but for stealing his hairstyle too?
I was not implying that. The 'throne' I was speaking of is less the 'throne of Japanese boxing' and more the 'throne of upcoming boxers'. Before Ippo seemed to be leading the charge to the top. Now he's suddenly looking stagnant in the wake of his fellows and other young fighters.
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Ippo always feels like he's developing in some manner. He gains new moves. He certainly thinks a bit more strategically now. For example: Using the Gazelle punch, knowing it would miss, but using it's angle and power to push Gonzales off balance and get closer. It didn't work but Ippo does have some ring smarts. He gets hit a lot but he knows that and has beefed himself up to the point where he can survive being wailed on via tensing after each punch and working on his body to make it spongy and stuff. His fighting style involves getting beaten a lot. That's been consistently shown to be how infighters in this series work. Imai vs Itagaki for instance. Imai got wailed on and willingly let Itagaki have the points so he could land a few power hits.
Gonzales was really intimidated by Ippo in the end. His seeming indestructibility along with his apparent weakness is part of why he's so stressful to fight. You can think you're beating him and it'll make you push yourself too hard trying to finish him, but then when he turns it around he seems unstoppable and it makes you act rashly.
Also, he's fought Karasawa and controlled the entire fight. He beat Naomichi with relative ease and only struggled because he was in a wrongful mental state. The fight was about his character more than his skills. He beat Kojima in one punch.
It's not in Ippo's character to win easily. And even if he does (such as Karasawa) he would never admit it. I like that aspect of his character. It makes him different from uber confident braggers like Luffy who mocks his enemies and calls them weak.
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Has anyone else noticed that when Ippo ignores his coach's advice he does really well?
When he faced that foreigner before Takamura's first title match he ditched his usual style and got a one round KO. He may have got a bad hit but he did knock Kojima the fuck out with one punch ignoring everything his coach ever taught him (and the reason he got hit was because he followed the pattern his coach made for him).
Whereas in every match he tries to follow the coach's advice he get the shit beat out of him.
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Has anyone else noticed that when Ippo ignores his coach's advice he does really well?
When he faced that foreigner before Takamura's first title match he ditched his usual style and got a one round KO. He may have got a bad hit but he did knock Kojima the fuck out with one punch ignoring everything his coach ever taught him (and the reason he got hit was because he followed the pattern his coach made for him).
Whereas in every match he tries to follow the coach's advice he get the shit beat out of him.
That ties into what Ippo needs to do to get better as a boxer and develop as a competitor. He's so busy trying to support his coach, the gym and its style that he's railroading himself in every match he's in. But when he goes on instinct, determination and just hunger for getting to the top he's nearly unstoppable. He needs to develop a style all his own and become unpredictable, cause right now he's just a sandbag that hits really really hard.
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Just read the last 4 chapters.
This is the best conclusion. At least Martinez didn´t lost because the plot demanded him to get stupid.
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It's Gonzales.
That ties into what Ippo needs to do to get better as a boxer and develop as a competitor. He's so busy trying to support his coach, the gym and its style that he's railroading himself in every match he's in. But when he goes on instinct, determination and just hunger for getting to the top he's nearly unstoppable. He needs to develop a style all his own and become unpredictable, cause right now he's just a sandbag that hits really really hard.
Pretty much, yeah. A bond with your coach is a great thing for a boxer, but it can't be the only support.
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ch. 1070..damn..depressing
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Is it just me or Takamura´s comments sounded a bit… douchey.
Edit: Mangastream translation.
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It's quite telling when your chapter 1070 (one thousand seventy!) is called "Second Loss".
It is good that Ippo finally has to face the most important issues of his career, and a loss at this point is a great trigger for him to change. But the way he has reached this point? This match itself? It easily represented all what is wrong with this story. After the title match of Volg, the contrast is just too strong.
After Ashita no Joe box any other box manga is obsolete.
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after all this I'm convinced that Makunoichi needs to learn some new trick other that going heads on and hit hard…at the world stage you can't concede all these punches to the opponent and still think to come out on top
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after all this I'm coninced that Makunoichi needs to learn some new trick other that going heads on and hit hard…at the world stage you can't concede all these uches to the opponent and still think to come out on top
yeah "his wrestling" it's effective,but still too riskyI think Ippo just needs to learn to defend and brawl efficiently, he is definetly close quarters guy but he needs better defense, arm and shoulder blocks. Ippo just takes too much hits and damage, at best case scenario its equal exchange but overall he takes a lot more hits than his opponent.
Yeah I think Ippo needs be more calculative and professional. He have to block more and advance at same time.
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Basically, I think once Ippo gets to his peak he's basically going to be modeled after Mike Tyson.
Check it ouuuuttt..
Then again, I guess he was already modeled after him.
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Way to be a dick Gonzalez. Enjoy your loss to Ricardo when you fight him.
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I think Ippo is barely registering anything right now. "Want to walk home on your own too feet," yeah but you might suffer brain damage in the process because you didn't listen to the doctors and get a proper checkup.
Sendo's pissed though. You can tell.
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I think Ippo just needs to learn to defend and brawl efficiently, he is definetly close quarters guy but he needs better defense, arm and shoulder blocks. Ippo just takes too much hits and damage, at best case scenario its equal exchange but overall he takes a lot more hits than his opponent.
Yeah I think Ippo needs be more calculative and professional. He have to block more and advance at same time.
Ippo was built around beating his foes with his "unfathomable japanese will" and little more. He cant learn new tricks because that's what the manga is about
It has grown old. Hell, it was already old 25 years ago when it started.
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The true spirit of samurai needs no techniques !
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I'd say a lot fo the tricks ippo has learned has been about turning him into a damage sponge and tank.
The whole thing to make his neck tough. The squats in the water to make his legs more bouncy so they could absorb more shock. Clenching everytime he throws a punch. Ippo is built to take hits and he learns through being challenged. And we see that now and then in stuff like the fight against Karasawa.
Ippo is built to take hits. Literally.
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Guys, I need some help.
I finished the first season of this and it was such an awesome experience and now I wanna go for the other parts but I have two questions:
1-what's the order after this? what should I watch?
2-is the manga better than the anime? should I read it after watching the anime like I usually do or nah?thanks in advance
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Guys, I need some help.
I finished the first season of this and it was such an awesome experience and now I wanna go for the other parts but I have two questions:
1-what's the order after this? what should I watch?
2-is the manga better than the anime? should I read it after watching the anime like I usually do or nah?thanks in advance
As for the manga, the manga is better than the anime, but unlike most cases, the anime is good and doesn't lag behind the manga all that much. I would say watch the anime first and then read the manga to fill in the details that aren't shown in the anime and the arcs that aren't yet animated.
The order of the anime is the following:
- Hajime No Ippo: The Fighting
- Champion Road OVA
- Kimura vs Mashiba OVA
- Hajime No Ippo: New challenger
- Hajime no Ippo: Rising
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@NER:
Guys, I need some help.
I finished the first season of this and it was such an awesome experience and now I wanna go for the other parts but I have two questions:
1-what's the order after this? what should I watch?
2-is the manga better than the anime? should I read it after watching the anime like I usually do or nah?thanks in advance
I like the anime a little bit more than the manga.
Whenever the anime is done well I usually gravitate towards that more so than the manga. This anime is done extremely well, and it's what got me hooked originally.
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I agree that the anime is actually more enjoyable. Sure it may not cover everything that is in the manga of the earlier arcs, but the adaptation was super well done and having actual animation and music makes the fights so much better. But ultimately both the manga and anime are worth getting into.
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Oh lawd o'mighty jaysus! Ippo figured it out! Hallelujah!
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Oh lawd o'mighty jaysus! Ippo figured it out! Hallelujah!
Yeeeahhhh.
Its just like when he lost to Date. I guess he just needed another slap to the face to remember that all he needs to focus on is winning and nothing else.
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are any of the episodes in new challenger filler?
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Anyone keeping up to date with this manga? I'm loving the developments in Ippo's loss and how he's taking it. The author is even throwing his trademark humor in there to keep things relatively light but you can still feel the impact the loss is having on Ippo and everyone around him.
Great past few chapters.
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I have indeed kept up. For a time now I have been wondering if Morikawa was using this Gonzales arc to address the problems of the series for the last few year, specifically with Ippo not having quite the same bite he used to. It looks like Ippo is certainly saying the right things, but I'm not sure I'm getting that burning passion in him. I suppose we'll see during his next fight how he does.
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Ipoo does seem to be favoring a half-lidded humbly defeated expression but rest assured there's a fire growing in his belly and the next opponent is going to feel it.
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New chapter is out [[B]1075]
! So Ippo will quit after his next loss, eh. Seriously, when is that going to be? 6 years? 10 years? 20 years?
