Soooooooo, Luffy was in Gear 2 all the time until now? Oo I always thought, he went back into his normal mode after the Blueno fight, because there was no steam any more and he had lost a lot of energy. In that case he would have gone from normal mode into Gear 3 skipping Gear 2 in this chapter… In the other case the "Gear Reverse" theory would make sense.
Gear 3rd in all its glory
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I don´t really know what to think of it yet. Ever since Gear 2nd appeared I was worried that it might become another SSJ copy with countless power ups. The worries have been taken a bit away because in Gear 3rd Luffy is a chibi, meaning he doesn´t look like in normal mode or Gear 2nd that´s at least good.
But on the other hand it still seems kinda weird that the full powers of Gear 2nd didn´t get flashed out. However I really don´t want to judge any rash judgement because I would first like to see where Oda wants to take that whole Gear stuff. Maybe chibi Luffy was the general idea from the begining and he needed something to fill the gab between normal Luffy and chibi Luffy and that´s Gear 2nd then. In that case, I wouldn´t feel disappointed at all.
Best thing to do for me is probably to sit back and judge the Gears when the Strawhats set course to the next island.
Like I started saying way back when Blueno was first defeated, yeah, that was Gear 2. I knew it, Gear 2 ended because Luffy got gassed. That's why he was moving on so quickly, why he started panting, and why I said I was disappointed in it overall.
A lot of people think Gear 3 is simply an attack. That'd be wayyyy too risky, though. I believe the stress from the Gears is simply bigger, what with this being a higher Gear and all. So that he not only winds out faster, but the drawback is more serious than heavy breathing.
Of course none of us can say the "what," though.
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Hi, first post.
Chibi-Luffi reminds me of those bouncy balls in the Bravia-advert.. and bouncy-balls are cool ^_^
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Seems weird that the only clothing that didn't shrink waz the hat!!!!
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I'm still sticking with my theory that Luffy's Gear moves are all his versions of the Rokushiki. Just with more fringe benefits. Gear 2 gives him the ability to perform Soru but it also adds "Jet" attacks to his repitoire.
And I'm guessing Gear 3 is an attack in the same vein as rankyaku or shigan but it makes Luffy incredibly small as a result which could work like Kami-e since Luffy seems to fight guys that are either bigger than him or about his standard size meaning that it would be hard to hit a tiny thing like that and he'd basically have the element of surprise.
If he has more Gears, then I can see him vulcanize himself to be harder like Tekkai and having another set of varitations on his moves, for example. It all depends on what Oda has planned for us.
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I'm still sticking with my theory that Luffy's Gear moves are all his versions of the Rokushiki. Just with more fringe benefits. Gear 2 gives him the ability to perform Soru but it also adds "Jet" attacks to his repitoire.
And I'm guessing Gear 3 is an attack in the same vein as rankyaku or shigan but it makes Luffy incredibly small as a result which could work like Kami-e since Luffy seems to fight guys that are either bigger than him or about his standard size meaning that it would be hard to hit a tiny thing like that and he'd basically have the element of surprise.
If he has more Gears, then I can see him vulcanize himself to be harder like Tekkai and having another set of varitations on his moves, for example. It all depends on what Oda has planned for us.
This sounds good
But didn't Luffy say he started thinking about this new way to use is powers since Ao Kiji ?
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Yeah, something tells me a Ranyaku wouldn't have blasted apart that steel door and shaken an entire tower.
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Im thinking its like chopper's rumble ball where Luffy will have seven forms. Gear 2 was speed form. Gear 3 is strength. Maybe he'll show gear 4….
"Gear 4th…... BEEAM-U BEEAM-U!" :biggrin:
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yeah, i htink gear 3rd is him compressing his body, that way his attacks are stronger.
these gear things are turning pretty cool…..
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There's every reason for Luffy to power up at this point in the series, Oda made other characters way too strong for Luffy to make it all the way through the grandline with the strength he had before.
He got completely owned by ao kiji and it just wouldn't be believable for him to beat an opponent like that without getting stronger, faster, and more resistant.
I don't understand what the problem is, Zoro has gotten two huge powerups already. He can slice through huge objects like trains and he can cut steel. Those aren't small improvements, when Mihawk sliced the ships everyone thought "holy shit" but now Zoro can do the same thing. He needed to get stronger, it's not like Zoro slowly achieved the ability to cut steel, he gained it in one fight. It was a powerup because he literally learned it during the fight and then used the ability to win.
Did that ruin the series for you? Then neither will the gears.
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Is it me or does anyone else feel like they are going to miss the ever so famous gomu gomu (attack here) phrase that has been made so popular by luffy? I dont mind the jet attack angle, and I think gear 3 is an interesting move on Oda's creativity behind his story, but i just feel a void cause the gomu gomu isnt there anymore.
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I would really like the idea of Luffy going trough more and more Gears gaining more and more power by each level, and then must use "Gear Reverse" to start from the beginning again. That would mean that he may have some strenghts and weakness' in every Gear and has to use them to it's limits. Like, as an example how it may be. In Gear 2 he gained a lot of speed, in Gear 3 he gains power and loses speed. Now he is in Gear 3 and can't go back to Gear 2, he has to evolve into Gear 4, giving him some other power and weakness, and than going into Gear 5 (possible) giving him a new power (and weakness) and THEN doing Gear Reverse.
So, if he would meet an enemy who is just super really fast, he would have one hell of a problem if the fight lasted to long.Five gears with appropriate strengths and weaknesses stemming from a different application of Luffy's rubber body (as in, compression, vulcanization) seems like an interesting concept, because it breaths new life into Luffy's "tired old" gomu gomu techniques. True, Naruto might be lame because characters can pull any jutsu out of their arse at any time, but the reverse also applies; Luffy gets boring if he just uses his normal techniques.
However, if we are to think the gears are equivalent to Chopper's "point" techniques, I cannot really say that; though Luffy did gain speed in his Gear 2 form, that was because he was using the Soru technique as a supplement to his primary ability; power. We're not sure if the Jet Pistol was simply a fast punch or an "air ball" snipe on Luffy's part; what we are sure of, though, is that the Jet Bazooka is incredibly powerful. Blueno took some damage while using Tekkai against Luffy's rifle, and he took a bit more damage from the Jet Pistol witout using Tekkai. BUT, in comparison, Blueno used a fully body Tekkai Gou and was still brought down by the Jet Bazooka. There's a huge difference in power between the Jet Pistol and Jet Bazooka, even though the normal Bazooka is just a "double barrel" pistol with added body inflection (as in, Luffy can use his whole body in the punch).
Ergo, Gear 3 looks just like a topper for Gear 2, which is why I think it's an attack, or at least uses a different rubber property to function.
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Is it me or does anyone else feel like they are going to miss the ever so famous gomu gomu (attack here) phrase that has been made so popular by luffy? I dont mind the jet attack angle, and I think gear 3 is an interesting move on Oda's creativity behind his story, but i just feel a void cause the gomu gomu isnt there anymore.
You seem to forget that Luffy was using Gomu Gomu no attacks in Gear 2nd. They just looked different because they were assimilated to the Gear 2nd fighting style. I guess same will happen to Gear 3rd. But I have no worries that the Gomu Gomu no… will be gone.
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One thing I'm noticing about the Gear 3. Everyone is talking like it's another power-up, but doesn't it seem more like it caused an explosion that destroyed the door? Meanwhile, the side effect was shrinking, which wore off later without Luffy seeming to get tired like in gear 2. I just don't think all the gears and continous power up, but I variety of steam are rubber themed attacks.
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but doesn't it seem more like it caused an explosion that destroyed the door?
Since Chimney and Gonbe are standing a foot away from Luffy unscathed, not really. The 'camera' did pull away to the outside so we don't know if he said 'gomu gomu' anything or not.
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One thing though, I do hope Luffy doesn't face Lucci in Gear Three and beat him in one punch like he did with Belemy. It was kinda cool but … I was dissapointed in that fight. I just hope they don't do that again. I don't want it to be like the Crocodile fight or anything, but I'd like a little bit more action than just one hit.
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I actually think a one hit ko would be some nice catharsis for all the stress we've been given, and it would really show Robin how strong the strawhats are. Of course, considering the formidability of Lucci, I really doubt it's going to be that easy. Not only is Lucci extraordinarily skilled, he's intelligent as well.
Then again, he might not expect Luffy to be as strong as he is, and this underestimation might cause him problems, at least initially.
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When I heard the spoiler, I had a long hard laugh at Lucci having to take orders. But, he doesn't, he's just a real bastard. I'd love a one hitter, but it won't happen and it probably wouldn't be so exciting.
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I´m really looking forward to see Chibi Luffy to fight Beastman Leopard Lucci. Just imagine those two together in one panel. I´m sure they´ll make Itchy and Scratchy jealous with their fight. :laugh:
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I´m really looking forward to see Chibi Luffy to fight Beastman Leopard Lucci. Just imagine those two together in one panel. I´m sure they´ll make Itchy and Scratchy jealous with their fight. :laugh:
so true.
i wouldn't liek a one hit either, but i'd like one about as long as luffy's fight with arlong was. just arlong, not all his little goon clowns.:happy:
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Doesn't Luffy's gear seems like the transformation of chopper?? although the difference is that… the gear focuses on status... str, agi.. while chopper's focus on part of the body..
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chibi luffy = lovelovelove
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ritsu, that's the funniest signature I've seen in a long, long time. xfd.
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Something just occured to me. So far, it has been said that chibi is a disadvantage of gear 3…. but is it? Super speed, compressed muscles, small size. It seems more of an advantage than a disadvantage.
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who said it was a disadvantage? I think most of us agree that it's an awesome thing.
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@joekido:
I like to see the reaction from Luffy's crew and his rivals. I wonder how Aokiji would react to Luffy's gear 3, I like to see how Smoker would react to that, I like to see everyone Luffy met in the past to react to his gear 3…
"Luffy in Gear 3, catchs up with Spandam, Lucchi and Robin"
Robin: Ah, Luffy? Is that you right?
Spandam: What the...?! "Burst in laughter" Don't tell me the great Luffy D. Monkey turned into a chibi!!
Lucchi: "raise his eyebrows" So is this the oppointment? A chibi pirate?
Spandam: "squats down to Luffy, rubbing Luffy's chin and spoke in a mockly voice" Awww.... What'cha gonna do kiddy? Are you going to hit us with your pitful weak hands? Want us to change your diapey?
Luffy: "Angrey snort" GOMU GOMU NO CHIBI PISTOL!
"Punchs Spandam, senting him flying towards Justice Gate"
Spandam: Fuuuucccckkkk yyyyyooouuuu ruuubbbeerrr bbboooy!!! "Crash""Later"
Chopper: Luffy? What happened? Your'er chibi!
Sogeking: I'm speechless
Zoro: What the hell?
Nami: My, Luffy's full of surprise. Hey Luffy can I carry you?
Franky: Whoa! Let's buy him a crib
Sanji: Hey Luffy, want me to make you a baby food?Luffy: ........
Sorry, I had to do this >_<
Weren't you told no more fanfics?
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You know guys… technically we still don't know exactly wtf Gear 2 does, no less Gear 3. I see people saying stuff like, "Gear 2 gives luffy super speed" and "Gear 3 compresses muscles, makes Luffy stronger and more agile."
We know nothing about Gear 3 aside from its potential power and its look. As for Gear 2, we just know that Luffy all of a sudden used Soru and his attack power doubled. That doesn't really say anything conclusive about the exact properties of the transformation. The only thing I can say about Gear 3 is that it looks awesome, but I'm not prepared to say anything about Luffy's stat changes.
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Maybe luffy will turn into an giant in gear 4.
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I'd prefer the mystery behind Gear 3rd to remain as it is right now in the manga and just have 2nd explored for now. It seems most likely that 3rd will be saved as a climatic move for now.
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Five gears with appropriate strengths and weaknesses stemming from a different application of Luffy's rubber body (as in, compression, vulcanization) seems like an interesting concept, because it breaths new life into Luffy's "tired old" gomu gomu techniques. True, Naruto might be lame because characters can pull any jutsu out of their arse at any time, but the reverse also applies; Luffy gets boring if he just uses his normal techniques.
However, if we are to think the gears are equivalent to Chopper's "point" techniques, I cannot really say that; though Luffy did gain speed in his Gear 2 form, that was because he was using the Soru technique as a supplement to his primary ability; power. We're not sure if the Jet Pistol was simply a fast punch or an "air ball" snipe on Luffy's part; what we are sure of, though, is that the Jet Bazooka is incredibly powerful. Blueno took some damage while using Tekkai against Luffy's rifle, and he took a bit more damage from the Jet Pistol witout using Tekkai. BUT, in comparison, Blueno used a fully body Tekkai Gou and was still brought down by the Jet Bazooka. There's a huge difference in power between the Jet Pistol and Jet Bazooka, even though the normal Bazooka is just a "double barrel" pistol with added body inflection (as in, Luffy can use his whole body in the punch).
Ergo, Gear 3 looks just like a topper for Gear 2, which is why I think it's an attack, or at least uses a different rubber property to function.
Let me add to this….. I think Gear 3 is the max..... Like Malintex pointed out, this gear thing is probably more of Choppa's "point" than DBZ's "Saiyaman" concepts.
Ruber has changes its proparties, when temperature changes. When the temperature goes up, this changes the viscosity (makes it more loose). Thus increases the speed and when it "bounces" back....creates the speed of "JET PISTOL." If you remember correctly, Luffy was steaming after the Gear 2.
On the other hand, gear 3 is gained by decreasing the temperature, which increases the density of ruber, meaning it becames very hard. Therefore, Luffy is able to bring out enought power to break the door. However at the same time, decreaseing the body heat, makes Luffy small, because Ruber shrinks at low temp.
In other words
Gear 1: Regular body heat
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Wow that makes perfect sence when you think about rubber. Kinda like how Crocodile talked about using the ability of the Devil's Fruit and not just having the power but making it grow… or hell he didn't say that but you know what I mean XD
Very good observation and it makes sence and isn't just some... well some thing that makes no sence like when DBZ changes into a Sayian or whatever it's called...
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Yet at the same time, it's reminiscent of Ranma (from Ranma 1/2) manipulating his chi to produce an aura of extreme cold when using his Hiryu Shoten Ha.
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@Sonique:
Wow that makes perfect sence when you think about rubber. Kinda like how Crocodile talked about using the ability of the Devil's Fruit and not just having the power but making it grow… or hell he didn't say that but you know what I mean XD
You mean "Using the DF's power to full extent using its properties"?
Yea…. but then again, this BOBY TEMPATURE THEORY is just an theory and if Oda brings out Gear 4 (hopefully not), it will be false....
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i think luffy just got chibi because he used his body to attack..
most of the time luffy uses his arms, legs and head to hit and his body to defend.
or luffy put his legs on the door and hit himself or smacked on his shoulders.
so he and his clothes got smaller too,like a spring under a rock
And Deicide here are the chibi luffy vs evil cat again
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You know guys… technically we still don't know exactly wtf Gear 2 does, no less Gear 3. I see people saying stuff like, "Gear 2 gives luffy super speed" and "Gear 3 compresses muscles, makes Luffy stronger and more agile."
We know nothing about Gear 3 aside from its potential power and its look. As for Gear 2, we just know that Luffy all of a sudden used Soru and his attack power doubled. That doesn't really say anything conclusive about the exact properties of the transformation. The only thing I can say about Gear 3 is that it looks awesome, but I'm not prepared to say anything about Luffy's stat changes.
We don't even know its look. That appeared to be a result of Gear 3, seeing as how we didn't see it used. But maybe…
Which I'd say is the disadvantage. Gears are over very quick and have a negative effect on Luffy.
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Hmmm, I'm not sure if I like the Gears all that much. From the looks of it, it's a bit too much like Choppers transformations IMO. But we still need to hear the 'story'/'explanation' behind the Gears, and I hope it will be different enough from Choppers transformations to make it more interesting. I like the Chibi Luffy in itself though.
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Who saw the preview of Movie 7 on youtube.com. If you look closely you will see that he will use the gear attack there, dont know for sure so can somewone confirm it you can find the preview here, he will use it at the end of the preview. Here is the link
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Yeah,It's definiately Gear 2 but isn't it strange to see it first in a movie? It kind of ruins EL :
OFF-and the funny thing is that Lufy has Gear 2 but Nami uses the old Clima tact and Usopp the old slingshot too O.O -
sorry for offtopic
could anyone tell me the name and the artist of the song that is played in the trailer(for the 7th movie)Edit: Thank you very much @KatanaJon 1.1
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sorry for offtopic
could anyone tell me the name and the artist of the song that is played in the trailer(for the 7th movie)Sayaendou by NEWS.
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Yeah,It's definiately Gear 2 but isn't it strange to see it first in a movie? It kind of ruins EL :
OFF-and the funny thing is that Lufy has Gear 2 but Nami uses the old Clima tact and Usopp the old slingshot too O.OI think anime films do that often. Like the half assed Super Saiyan used on Lord Slug, 3 months before the Super Saiyan episode debuted on television. Gear 2 came out in November, so it doesn't seem that strange that it'll be in a Spring film. It'll most likely just stop with JET Bazooka anyway.
The weapons, well…Nami had her Perfect Climatact before Gear 2, but it was only used for a somewhat average attack. I'm sure Kabuto had only appeared in the colorspread before the film started production.
Off-topic: hey, this Karakuri thing looks pretty awesome. But I wish I didn't see the spoilers....
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In other words
Gear 1: Regular body heat
Gear 2: Increases body head, creates speed
Gear 3: Decrease body heat, creates powerBut Gear 2 seemed to increase Luffy's strength quite a bit, and he used Sora didn't he? We really don't know anything about them other then that physical abilities increase a whole lot.
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"Gear 2" is Luffy's powerup skill, so I wouldn't be surprised if Toei decided to include it in the OPM7. Afterall, as much as we might berate power-up skills, they're still cool to watch and are extremely entertaining until they get overused and tired; I mean, Naruto was an average series (in my thoughts) until he used his Kyuubi powers, and from then on, I watches season after season WAITING FOR THE NEXT KYUUBI TAKE DOWN! Now, with the Naruto II arc, it's a tad boring…
That's the utter problem with powerup skills; once they're introduced, people only want to see the skill used, such that normal fighting almost becomes "filler". If anything, "Gear 2" is a good indication that Oda is going to make serious progression toward the culmination of OP; he's a good storyteller, unlike Kishimoto, so to put a power-up skill anytime before serious mainstream OP conflict is bad news bears. Afterall, only two more crew members are needed after Franky; one's a musician, the other a grab bag. Ten crew members are one of Luffy's stipulations that he laid down in the second chapter.
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But Gear 2 seemed to increase Luffy's strength quite a bit, and he used Sora didn't he? We really don't know anything about them other then that physical abilities increase a whole lot.
Actually if you read Bruno's line carefully, he mentions, Luffy has "SURPASSED" the speed of Soru…. for this I got the interpretation that Gear 2 has to do with Speed. In deed, the name JET in Japanese usually referse to "speed" rather than "power".
THEORATICALLY, if you increase the speed of ruber contraction/expansion, power decreases, and vice varsa. But in this GEAR, that is not the case. So I can't assure you that my theory is even close to what ODA has in his mind.
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But Gear 2 seemed to increase Luffy's strength quite a bit, and he used Sora didn't he? We really don't know anything about them other then that physical abilities increase a whole lot.
It didn't necessarily increase his personal strength. He never once touched Blueno - air balls did. The only thing I can think of that didn't do this was Stamp, but that required crazy speed to get into position anyway. In this way, for GEAR 2 speed = power. I think this makes sense - my only problem is in GEAR 2 he isn't bigger.
Sorry, I would explaain my points a little more, but I just got my wisdom teeth out and it's hard to type with one hand on an ice pack and one on the keyboard.
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It didn't necessarily increase his personal strength. He never once touched Blueno - air balls did. The only thing I can think of that didn't do this was Stamp, but that required crazy speed to get into position anyway. In this way, for GEAR 2 speed = power. I think this makes sense - my only problem is in GEAR 2 he isn't bigger.
Your explanation would work IF Blueno had not used Tekkai Gou to endure the Gomu Gomu no Jet Bazooka. The bazooka's power was absolutely enormus; not only did it bypass the Tekkai, it knocked out Blueno when he was just somewhat damaged.
I'm curious, though, as to the discrepancy in power between both attacks; there isn't much difference between a normal pistol and bazooka (as the latter is simply a two armed pistol), but the jet bazooka is clearly more powerful than the jet pistol. One possibility is that Luffy's arms twang at such a speed that the air ball produced packs incredible force; but that leads to the question of how exactly Gear 3 is executed. A direct-hit punch, perhaps?
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Your explanation would work IF Blueno had not used Tekkai Gou to endure the Gomu Gomu no Jet Bazooka. The bazooka's power was absolutely enormus; not only did it bypass the Tekkai, it knocked out Blueno when he was just somewhat damaged.
But speed can also be a very brute force. If you jump out of a high flying plain into the ocean then the speed you will get there will make sure that the impact on the water will make the water that you hit harder then concrete. However you´re not any stronger, weaker, heavier or lighter then when you jump into water from the hight of 1 meter. It´s clearly the speed that determines the strength of the impact.
I don´t remember where I got it from but I heard that even paper if accelerated to a tremendously high speed could pierce through a tree. And again this wouldn´t change the properties of the paper.
And since the Jet moves seem to be "faster then the eye" moves it could work very well that Luffy himself isn´t stronger then in normal mode but that the speed behind the jet moves is so high that it makes utterly strong impacts.
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But speed can also be a very brute force. If you jump out of a high flying plain into the ocean then the speed you will get there will make sure that the impact on the water will make the water that you hit harder then concrete. However you´re not any stronger, weaker, heavier or lighter then when you jump into water from the hight of 1 meter. It´s clearly the speed that determines the strength of the impact.
I don´t remember where I got it from but I heard that even paper if accelerated to a tremendously high speed could pierce through a tree. And again this wouldn´t change the properties of the paper.
And since the Jet moves seem to be "faster then the eye" moves it could work very well that Luffy himself isn´t stronger then in normal mode but that the speed behind the jet moves is so high that it makes utterly strong impacts.
That's what I said in my unquoted second paragraph, actually.
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Still, though, this warrants speculation on how exactly there can be such a discrepancy in power between the Jet Bazooka and Jet Pistol, as well as exactly how Third Gear is administered; a punch, airball, fireball, ect.
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That's what I said in my unquoted second paragraph, actually.
Really? Sorry then, I didn´t understand the paragraph that way.
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I don´t remember where I got it from but I heard that even paper if accelerated to a tremendously high speed could pierce through a tree
I think this has been debunked by the MythBuster :)
However, it makes sense that with gear 2 Luffy become powerful not because he is stronger but the force he is inflicting becames higher. Force equals mass times speed if I still remember my physics.