Now that sanji is free he will get (spoiler from 403)

After this Chapter we see him down on the ground. He is unable to fight Califa so who willl fight instead of her.

Spandam - the weakling pf CP9
Jabura - A Tag match with Zoro instead for Soge
Kumadori - Tag match witch chopper
Fukuro - Help out Franky
Califa - Will overcome his weakness and battle her to help Nami
or
Nobody

(Lucci and Kaku out of vote because it seems clear that Luffy and Zoro takes care of them)

I vote for Jabura. It is my hope form the very beginning and i would like too see him in a tag-match with Zoro against Kaku and Jab. We could see that he would be able to beat Califa easily so he should get a real fight. Kumadori against Chopper ist OK but to include Sanji would be a bit unfair for Kumadori. Franky will be able to take down Fukuro himseld and it would be still unfair like before. Nami and Califa should fight a real cat-fight without Sanji. He should still stands behind his principles and not interrupt in this fight… It is always danger to interrupt between a fight of two girls. Spandam is still to weak. I see Nami will steal the key from Califa. Sanji takes it and go on to search vor Zoro and Soge. Than he will tag-team with both or only with Zoro and Soge gets a new job.

What are your thoughts???

blacky

He'll definitely lay around for a while and do nothing - Until Califa begins to talk about her powers and how to "cure" people. After that … he'll maybe dodge or block some of her attacks to let nami finish her off, but I can't see him hurting her :< Uh. Sanji was neglected by Oda on the Sky-Island and I would've loved to see some good Sanji-Fights again ;_; Go Sanji!!!

It's really kinda hard to say who he will fight because Oda's been changing all of these fights around.

However i think that since Chopper's looking for the #2 key he will stop fighting Kumadori, and keep searching. Leaving Sanji to fight him instead.

Though i wish Sanji would fight Jabura, just because i think it would be cool to see how Sanji would fight him.

Indigo

well, if they could find the keys, its possible that he join up with Zoro against Jabura and Kaku. Jabura and Kaku hates eachother, Zoro and Sanji hates eachother. Then ussop will go after Spandam.

Maybe Kalifa will turn nami into a glass thing too, and Sanji will have no choice but to save 2 of his women from one woman. shrug

Dubanka

Here's an easier question: what'll happen to this poll when one of the moderators gets free? :-)

@Indigo:

Jabura and Kaku hates eachother, Zoro and Sanji hates eachother. Then ussop will go after Spandam.

ThatÂ´s the thing IÂ´m looking forward:biggrin:

d3adpool

@Dubanka:

Here's an easier question: what'll happen to this poll when one of the moderators gets free? :-)

My thoughts also… anyway I pick ZoroSoge x KakuJab and Sanji going after Luffy with the three keys left.

@Dubanka:

Here's an easier question: what'll happen to this poll when one of the moderators gets free? :-)

What do you mean? Sorry I´m new here. Did I do something wrong???

oceanizer

Next time please get admin/mod's approval to create a poll as stated in Forum Rule and Announcement Forum.

I was talking with e1n the other day about it. … Chopper helps Nami to fight Kumadori, Nami helps Sanji to fight Calipha, Sanji will save Zoro/Soge with his key and maybe help fighting for them. So my vote goes Jabura/Kaku.

... You need Kaku in that list. adds

@oceanizer:

Next time please get admin/mod's approval to create a poll as stated in Forum Rule and Announcement Forum.

I was talking with e1n the other day about it. … Chopper helps Nami to fight Kumadori, Nami helps Sanji to fight Calipha, Sanji will save Zoro/Soge with his key and maybe help fighting for them. So my vote goes Jabura/Kaku.

... You need Kaku in that list. adds

I´m sorry thanks for the info. next time I will check it up…

And for Kaku I already said I think it is clear that he will fight Zoro... Swordsman against Swordsman.

onemoment

So, this thread is in danger of spoilers…

Well, I think he'll either help of of the other fighters, or fight someone who's been injured like he has. Maybe he'll fight Kumadori since Chopper's messed him up pretty badly--it seems. Keep in mind Sanji got a lot of fighting done on the train. Keep in mind he got a lot of fightning on the train.

Ivotas

@onemoment:

So, this thread is in danger of spoilers…

Why? The raw is out already and beyond that thereÂ´s no further information about whatÂ´s next.

Back on topic, IÂ´m not sure what to think of Sanji right now. He sure seems pissed which I take as proof that he will release his anger over the entire situation on an opponent. However IÂ´m not sure who that might be. I see two possible options:

a) Sanji still tries to go against Calipha because he realizes that there sometimes is moments where you have to put your principles aside for a greater cause. Just as he did in his fight against Wanze by using knives for one time.

b) indeed doesnÂ´t take the fight against Calipha and fights another opponent (IMO Jabura) in the end. However the experience with Calipha will have an effect on his future development. It could be foreshadowing for another fight in far distant future and Sanji could think of how to defeat female opponents without hurting them. In other words the Calipha fight is for him, what the Aokiji fight was to Luffy.

Hmm, if he in the end really takes on Jabs then Sogeking would require another opponent. It slowly all comes back to the Mugiwara vs. CP9 debates weÂ´ve all had before the fights began. :laugh:

paptschik

Whatever happens, I hope it doesn't end up with Sanji fighting Jabura…I want to see Sogeking fight Jabura more than anything else. I don't care who Sanji ends up fighting - but for the love of oda, not Jabura!

captain sogeking

I could see him taking on Kumadori as it is choppers job to find the #2 key so chopper could head off looking for franky and fukurou.

WarcoW

Go Sanji - Jyabura! w00t!
(fuel to the fire…fuel to the fire)

Ohara

I think Sanji will fight jyabura.

Paulie

I think Sanji will fight Jabura, freeing up Usopp to go help Luffy against Lucci… he'll end up fighting Frankfried and losing his mask. That's the only way for Luffy to find out who Sogeking really is.

WarcoW

I bet this thread is getting on the nerves of every Usopp fan out there
(Burn it all up….more fuel! )

AnimeNewtype101

I wonder what makes everyone think that Jyubura would even want to fight Sanji, I mean he's dead set on Usopp as his prey just like a real wolf. He's not going to stop and fight anyone else until after Usopp's dead and that just ain't gonna happen.

Of course poor Zoro is just stuck in the middle thanks to Kaku's ridiculous transformation, which btw is hilarious and super-cool at the same time. Oda-sensei already knows by initially pairing Usopp up witb Jyubura, he's set off a chain reaction of "OMG, Usopp's the man!!!" along with, "Finally, Sanji's going to hit a woman!!!" At least he has to, otherwise he's been smoking weed too much.

He's not Kishimoto (Naruto creator) to just do everything by the book, thereby making it lame and boring.

Of course….... I really wish Blueno would come back and fight Chopper or Nami, there has to be a reason as to why Oda-sensei had Luffy beat up Blueno besides to show off Gear 2.

onemoment

@AnimeNewtype101:

Of course….... I really wish Blueno would come back and fight Chopper or Nami, there has to be a reason as to why Oda-sensei had Luffy beat up Blueno besides to show off Gear 2.

Blueno can come back at any time thanks to his air door. It's probably been a while in One Piece, he could get up for some reason.

onemoment

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Ivotas

For Christs sake people, understand that your reply´s get saved even if you get the White Screen of Doom as a response! I´m getting the WSoD after every post I make and you don´t see me doubleposting around here!

At least delete your double posts when you realize you made them!

onemoment

@Ivotas:

For Christs sake people, understand that your reply´s get saved even if you get the White Screen of Doom as a response! I´m getting the WSoD after every post I make and you don´t see me doubleposting around here!

At least delete your double posts when you realize you made them! [qimg]http://img10.exs.cx/img10/5209/stare_ipb.gif[/qimg]

Weird, that second post wasn't there a second ago. Damn this server. Also, I'm more worried about everyone else's fights.

joekido the Second

@AnimeNewtype101:

I wonder what makes everyone think that Jyubura would even want to fight Sanji, I mean he's dead set on Usopp as his prey just like a real wolf. He's not going to stop and fight anyone else until after Usopp's dead and that just ain't gonna happen.

Of course poor Zoro is just stuck in the middle thanks to Kaku's ridiculous transformation, which btw is hilarious and super-cool at the same time. Oda-sensei already knows by initially pairing Usopp up witb Jyubura, he's set off a chain reaction of "OMG, Usopp's the man!!!" along with, "Finally, Sanji's going to hit a woman!!!" At least he has to, otherwise he's been smoking weed too much.

He's not Kishimoto (Naruto creator) to just do everything by the book, thereby making it lame and boring.

Of course….... I really wish Blueno would come back and fight Chopper or Nami, there has to be a reason as to why Oda-sensei had Luffy beat up Blueno besides to show off Gear 2.

I wish I know how Kishimoto did with Naruto and what do you mean by the book?

Oh and Kumadori almost killed Nami if it was not for Chopper. If Blueno did not get knocked away, he'll mayby take on Chopper and Nami would have been killed, Zoro and Sogeking would be in deeper shit with Kaku and Jyabura

AnimeNewtype101

@joekido:

I wish I know how Kishimoto did with Naruto and what do you mean by the book?

Oh and Kumadori almost killed Nami if it was not for Chopper. If Blueno did not get knocked away, he'll mayby take on Chopper and Nami would have been killed, Zoro and Sogeking would be in deeper shit with Kaku and Jyabura

If Chopper had an opponent then something else would have happened to save Nami, say Blueno using one of his air doors that transports Chopper right on top of Kumodori. Or Chopper knocking Blueno through a wall into Kumodori. There are plenty of ways for Nami to have gotten saved, Oda-sensei just went with this route but there are plenty of other options.

As for Zoro and Sogeking…...... how is the situation any different? Chopper, right now, is being preoccupied and can't even do anything to help them out anymore until after he beats up Kumodori. Which is probbly the reason why Oda-sensei did this, to have the Zoro/Kaku and Usopp/Jyubura fight for last.

At least with Blueno coming back at this point, it'll make things more even without leaving anyone out. Sanji inteferes with the cat fight, and fights the she-devil on behalf of Nami for what she said, or at least what his love-struck brain interpreted. Then Nami goes over to help out Chopper since Kumodori is semi-dominating, after awhile of beating hit by both major moves of Chopper and Nami, Kumodori goes down for the count.......

But then Blueno comes in through his air door and uses Rankyuku on Chopper knocking him away. When Nami yells out in surprise, Kumodori revives saying something about how he can't disappoint his mother in heaven and fights Nami, who at this point, is forced to use her experimental Dial-Rod. Meanwhile Chopper has his hands-full with the ticked-off Blueno, who can't believe he got owned by a rubber punk.

I already know of a way that Sanji can "fight" without breaking his gentleman ways, but it's at the expense of Kalifa's pride and strength, basically it punks her out...... but then again her devil's power could make everything different.

This is how I would do it, I just wonder how an expert like Oda-sensei would handle things without making anyone lose face.

Also you don't want to know how Kishimoto is handling Naruto....... pure rip-off of DBZ anyone? Also by the book, at least to me, means power-up after power-up, long ass boring speeches, life revivals, etc. At least Oda-sensei pulls something new out of his butt like Chibi-Luffy and Kaku-Giraffe, totally blowing us away while still keeping our interest.

If you're going to just bring someone back to life, just don't kill them in the first place. It may get ridiculous as to how much damage some people can take and still live (Pell, and Luffy) at least there'll be no crappy revivals.

Wow, sorry for the long post, I just like writing down storylines and ideas.

Malintex_Terek

I think all the people who want Sanji v. Jyabura should stop doping on the cheap arse pot they're smoking. You lot obviously are ticked off at Oda for "outstepping the shounen boundries" and mixing up the battles. Sanji demonstrated to me in Chapter 403 that he's not as weak as the "Sanji is falling behind" people are saying, but he's definately no Zoro. Neither is Sogeking; if the CP9 battles are meant to be difficult, putting Sogeking against a weak opponent and Sanji against someone he's comfortable with doesn't differentiate One Piece from Naruto or Bleach. Sanji taking the fall against Califa has made him more of a badarse than he would be if he beat Jyabura.

Personally, I'm supporting the "Sanji defending Nami" theory. Sanji can't hit a woman, but he can take/block hits. Nami is really, really weak defensively; sure, she's got awesome offensive power that can be used in a number of ways, but if Doublefinger or Califa got a square hit, Nami would be dead. Kumadori "almost killed Nami" because she lost her Perfect Clima Tact.

Matchups for now look pretty solid.

Luffy v. Lucci
Zoro & Sogeking v. Kaku & Jyabura
Nami & Sanji v. Califa
Chopper v. Kumadori
Franky v. Fukurou

Paulie

@Malintex_Terek:

Matchups for now look pretty solid.

Luffy v. Lucci
Zoro & Sogeking v. Kaku & Jyabura
Nami & Sanji v. Califa
Chopper v. Kumadori
Franky v. Fukurou

Nami's told Sanji to go away, she'll handle it.
Frankfried. He wouldn't be introduced to just be taken out by Luffy before Lucci.

I think Sogeking'll go after the elephant. Maybe Franky will to get at Spandam. Maybe Sanji decides to help rescue Robin himself. But I don't think the elephant's going to be taken out by NOBODY.

Ivotas

@Malintex_Terek:

I think all the people who want Sanji v. Jyabura should stop doping on the cheap arse pot they're smoking…

And I think that you could have easily proven your point without that offensive statement. If people have different ideas then you then accept it and don´t step down to an insulting level. It only leaves an negative image of yourself.

Deicide

I too am eager to see Sanji defending Nami from Calipha.

Nami's told Sanji to go away, she'll handle it.

But will he run away? I doubt it. It is as strong a trait of his chivalry as is his inability to fight women. I bet he will be in the ground for a while, and will stand up when he sees Nami being beaten. He will stand as a "love shield" and protect "his woman".

Frankfried. He wouldn't be introduced to just be taken out by Luffy before Lucci.

Maybe Chimney and Gombee will take care of it… hehehehe. Okay, I am joking. But we are yet to see what Oda will do to him. Luffy topok Blueno out. Maybe Frankfried is next. Or not.

WarcoW

Frankly speaking i want to see Nami fight a solo fight. Robin isn't the only kickass female crew member in the team. And its about time Nami had some exposure (yea i know that sounds so bad haha).
Im just f-in stoked that we arn't having a break next week. I really want to see more of the situation Zoro is put in right now. How Sanji is gonna recover from his….lamination? and more Nami-Calipha.

@ Animenewtype101 - You know Naruto has a pretty decent plot (well the Sasuke plot is) and a lot of non-power up uber strong characters (Akatsuki, Sannin etc...). If there is any series that needs to be bashed for going perfectly by the book, its Bleach.

Raoul

@Ivotas:

Just as he did in his fight against Wanze by using knives for one time.

I don't think he did vs Wanze.

I mean, he used knives to cut food…that's not against his "way of the fighting cook".
When the food was removed from Wanze's body, he finished him off with a kick.

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@Indigo:

well, if they could find the keys, its possible that he join up with Zoro against Jabura and Kaku. Jabura and Kaku hates eachother, Zoro and Sanji hates eachother. Then ussop will go after Spandam.

Or we could, you know, NOT ruin all the character development Usopp has had throughout this entire arc. Just a thought.:biggrin:

Ivotas

@Raoul:

I don't think he did vs Wanze.

I mean, he used knives to cut food…that's not against his "way of the fighting cook".

I disagree. He clearly stated that it is against his way of fighting. Or in other words, by his book a chef shouldn´t use knives in a fight. And normally he doesn´t do it.

Wanze´s Ramen Kenpo is something that I doubt you see twice in the world. It´s unique IMO. And just in this one situation the usage of kitchen knives in a fight is justified for Sanji. It definitely is something that goes against Sanji´s idea of kitchen knive usage. But it´s the one and only time that he had to make that exception.

Raoul

He kinda said it himself: "Since we're in a kitchen and you're using food to fight […]".
Actually, he used some of Wanze's armor to make a dish, something like spaghetti, with the first attack.

RedShanks

I hope he leaves the others alone and gets a new assignment. He could go and fight Spandam and the elephant but I guess Franky or Robin are more entitled to do that.

Ivotas

@Raoul:

He kinda said it himself: "Since we're in a kitchen and you're using food to fight […]".
Actually, he used some of Wanze's armor to make a dish, something like spaghetti, with the first attack.

I know that. The point is that fighting with kitchen knives goes against Sanji´s philosophy. But he was brought to the point were he had to use it. Sanji even says "It is my policy not to use the cook's sacred fist or knife
in the act of combat…" in chapter 370.

A clear proof that it goes against Sanji´s fighting philosophy. I don´t see it different then his policy to not hit women. It´s both results of his personal fighting philosophy.

Aldrich

But it's not like he used these knives to cut through his opponent's steel armor or used them to give him the lethal blow. He used these knives to cut food, in a kitchen, and as soon as the food was removed from Wanze's body he dropped them and finished him with his kicks.

I see it as a completely different and separate thing than fighting, he didn't hurt Wanze at all with the knives, and I don't think it can be compared in any way to his policy towards women.

Ivotas

That doesn´t matter. The point is that there are things that go against Sanji´s fighting philosophy. Using kitchen knives and hitting women are two of those things. That´s an established fact in the manga.

He used knives because this was an unusual once in a lifetime situation where you could bend his own rules without breaking them. But except for this one time onle situation using kitchen knives goes still against his policy.

The only difference to the women hittin policy is that he wasn´t brought in a situation where he can bend that rule yet. That´s about it. But is just as much a fighting philophy as the kitchen knive thing.

Aldrich

Of course it matters. He didn' FIGHT Wanze with the knives. He used the knives to cut food, in the kitchen. He'd have broken his policy had he engaged in a swordsman-like duel against Wanze using the knives. He was the cook, not the fighter at this point. And that's what really matters: there's no way he can twist the fact he has to hit a woman to fit his policy. You simply can't compare the two.

Ivotas

You know you can twist and turn the argument to please point as much as you like. But it´s an established fact that Sanji doesn´t use kitchen knives in his fights. He said that with the quote I delivered above.

Furthermore that passage clearly states that Sanji considers food as a weapon in this fight. Sanji isn´t preparing some meal here, he is fighting. If he wouldn´t consider the usage of knives as an fighting act then he didn´t have to extra say "it doesn´t count".

Sanji didn´t harm Wanze with his knives, that´s true. But he destroyed his battle armor. And this is an fighting act.

I can compare the two and I do it. It goes against Sanji´s fight to use kitchen knives in combat. And it goes against his policy to hit women. Established facts in the manga. Period.

Aldrich

Still doesn't change the fact your argument that he could fight against Calipha again doesn't hold much water as in one case he only bend his own rules while in the other case he'd flat out break them. And the cause isn't what matters here, more the circumstances.

Ivotas

I never said that he could fight against Califa. I said that at some point in the story Sanji could really get that far to beat up a women. He´s code of fighting was stronger right now, but that doesn´t mean that before One Piece ends Sanji won´t experience a situation where he has to jump over his own shadow to do so.

The fight with Wanze proves that Sanji can bend his own rules if he has too. It´s an established character attribute and I see him use this attribute in on of his other policies if he gets that far.

The fight against Califa didn´t bring him to the level of maximum tolerance. If all the Strawhats would lay around motionless beat up by Califa and if he then would perform a killing move against Nico Robin then he might be brought to the point where he has no other chance then fighting back. But the real situation was not that difficult for Sanji. I´m not saying it wasn´t serious, but it definitely didn´t bring him up to the limit of his tolerance where he had no other chance then to fight back.

Sanji definitely has the capacity to bend his own code. But it needs much to bring him that far. And obvioulsy the current situation wasn´t enough to do so.

*Meh*

Is it true that Calipha has the dreaded "Oofoe Oofoe no Mi", with the power to change people into UFO Catchers? Sanji's next fight will be with the Crane Arm of Doom in that case…

WarcoW

@Revan:

Sanji already fought in this arc (in the train).

I think it's time for the others work now ;)

So did Franky and Zoro…..
point being?

Ohara

I hoping for Sogeking and Sanji vs. Jyabura

ninjuichi

@Ivotas:

You know you can twist and turn the argument to please point as much as you like. But it´s an established fact that Sanji doesn´t use kitchen knives in his fights. He said that with the quote I delivered above.

Furthermore that passage clearly states that Sanji considers food as a weapon in this fight. Sanji isn´t preparing some meal here, he is fighting. If he wouldn´t consider the usage of knives as an fighting act then he didn´t have to extra say "it doesn´t count".

Sanji didn´t harm Wanze with his knives, that´s true. But he destroyed his battle armor. And this is an fighting act.

I can compare the two and I do it. It goes against Sanji´s fight to use kitchen knives in combat. And it goes against his policy to hit women. Established facts in the manga. Period.

You can't be swayed, eh?

Anyways, I also prefer the "Love Shield" idea.

Sanji already fought in this arc (in the train).

I think it's time for the others work now ;)

zero chan

@SanG:

I vote for Jabura. It is my hope form the very beginning and i would like too see him in a tag-match with Zoro against Kaku and Jab. We could see that he would be able to beat Califa easily so he should get a real fight. Kumadori against Chopper ist OK but to include Sanji would be a bit unfair for Kumadori. Franky will be able to take down Fukuro himseld and it would be still unfair like before. Nami and Califa should fight a real cat-fight without Sanji. He should still stands behind his principles and not interrupt in this fight… It is always danger to interrupt between a fight of two girls. Spandam is still to weak. I see Nami will steal the key from Califa. Sanji takes it and go on to search vor Zoro and Soge. Than he will tag-team with both or only with Zoro and Soge gets a new job.

What are your thoughts???

After reading Davy Back Fight, I have decided that a Sani and Zoro tag match proves to be disastrous. Right now they are not playing a game. They are on a serious rescue mission. Soge is a better team player.

But I do agree that Nami and Califa should fight a real cat-fight w/o sanji.

Anyway i've decided that Sanji should just do nothing. I think he should just sit in one corner and do some reflections regarding his chivalry ways.