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Sephiroth rant
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"But what about when he destroyed Nibelheim? He's so powerful!" How can I put this. He destroyed part of a small mountain village composed of mainly wooden structures. Wow.
Kefka destroyed the WORLD, and Sephiroth walked through fire.
Plus, Kefka had the plot twist, where he betrayed the Emperor and took the power for himself.
Now folks, if it's looks alone, then it's a whole other story. I'm the first to admit, he looks AWESOME.
I do agree with this. Kekfa is more badass though. He just doesn't care.
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Newsflash, Lucretia got knocked up by Vincent and so Sephiroth was brought into the world. Man, if I were Vincent, I'd shoot myself in the face for being the father to such a whiny bastard
Wait I'm confused. I thought Hojo was the father.
And I gotta admit, for an all-mighty warrior to be beaten so easily to a non-Soldier is pathetic. A crazy psychopath that goes on a rampage….very entertaining :dry:. I guess the only good thing about him is his looks after all.
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Oh jeeze. It thinks it's "married" to Sephiroth on the "astral plane."
(Ha! Blurty, not LJ.)
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I thought Hojo was the father.
Hojo is in a metaphorical sense. He 'created' Sephiroth. If you want a villain in FF7, it doesn't get much better than Hojo. He's a twisted fuck. He injected Sephiroth with the Jenova cells and that's how Seph gets the crazy connection with her. But it's still weak. He's supposed to be this amazing force and he gets totally overtaken by reading about the experiments. Please.
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Sephiroth was a little bitch. That was actually his appeal to me. Him and Cloud were just like these two special kids fighting a war in their minds. With lightning and dragons and all that.
….Hey, I just liked FFVII. Don't ask me how, but it all came together and it was cool.
EDIT: I also thought Hojo was the dad, but I haven't played in so long that I probably screwed it all up.
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Where FF7 went totally right was in making Jenova play second fiddle. That was where 9 screwed up, it pulled exactly the reverse. Villain we see through the game is influenced by great force. Great force is defeated but the disciple remains. That was neat at least because we knew SOMETHING about Seph and his mother complex and generally felt good tearing him a new one.
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Well, the good thing about Sephiroth is that he does absorb 47 times his weight in excess fangirls.
Can you imagine if YOUR personal fandom got invaded by a bunch of low-class fangirls because there was no Sephiroth to ogle?
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I wouldn't mind that much. You guys all like One Piece but I can tolerate that.
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thank you. I can't STAND Sephiroth. Damn pretty guys. At least he's not as pretty as Kuja.
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Thank you.
I've always found Sephiroth is overhyped and overrated. I can appreciate the fact some people like him, but to me I found him to be quite… boring. That's the only way I can describe it. He never caught my interest.
Rufus Shinra I found far more interesting, since he's an example of an evil human. Plus what someone said about Hojo... that guy is one good villain.
Then there's the Turks.
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The Turks annoyed me, but I think that was after seeing the movie (now, that's overhyped and overrated). I liked Sephiroth though. Not the best villain ever, yet like Buc, the reasons I liked him was those you mentioned Omae. Whiny, little momma's boy.
Can't say much about Kefka - FF VII is the only game of the series I've played enough to say. With Revolution around, I think I'll try to complete VI too.
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I've always said this about Sephiroth. Just because he carries around a big sword and is brooding all the time suddenly makes him the most evil thing since evil sliced bread.
Kefka one-ups him on so many levels. Hell, just poisoning the water is more of an accomplishment than anything Sephiroth ever did. WHOOP-DE-DO! He killed Aeris. Kefka not only killed countless people with his Light of Judgement, but ALSO killed General Leo. That was truly a sad moment.
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@omae:
We only really see im what? Twice during the actual storyline? We hand over the Black Materia (don't get me started on Cloud) and then fight him later. Just a pet peeve, I HATE not seeing villains in action. Sephiroth just kind of hung out the whole time while clones kind of lumbered around. That was my main beef with Necron and Ultimecia. Just kinda, you know, "Hey! What's up? We're uh, we'll be your main villains today so uh, thank you in advance."
A lot of people dislike Sephiroth because of this, but I've always thought of it this way: All through the game you're chasing someone who looks like Sephiroth, Talks like Sephiroth, Acts like Sephiroth, has Sephiroths goal, and is almost definetely controlled by Sephiroth.
I couldn't care less that the body isn't 100% Sephiroth.And all this about being a mommas boy…sure, he wanted to avenge Jenovas race and all (or so he thought), but he was using Jenova, and he wanted to be god, not make her god.
However, I agree that he's overrated, and that his change of heart was pretty sudden. I just guess he snapped; but hey, wouldn't you?
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but he was using Jenova, and he wanted to be god, not make her god.
I will admit to not having played the game in…...wow about a decade. But I don't recall any evidence that he wanted to become a god, let alone for his own reasons. At least we know for certain Kefka wanted the power of a god so he could kill as much as possible.
Even if there is a quote somewhere that backs it up, what motivation does he have? Revenge? Against whom? Humans? What did they ever do to him besides Hojo? Just frustrating. I had such high hopes for him and loved him in the game but when I sat down and thought about it, I just realized he's paper thin.
Plus about clones controlling Sephiroth. Personal opinion here folks so put up your blaster shields. Doubtful. If anything it's Jenova doing the manipulating via the experiments and injections in order to ressurect him. But then comes the question, WHY RESSURECT SOMEONE WHO GOT HIS SHYT HANDED TO HIM BY A GRUNT? ^o^
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I fail to see how Kefka is better than Sephiroth.
At least Sephiroth has a background and motivations.
Kefka just wanted to destroy everything…and that's all.
No real reason, no real story behind him, nothing...he's your usual nutcase who wants to destroy everything cause he can.
We had already seen that a billion times.Only good thing about Kefka is his laugh and music theme.
But it's true that the fuss about Sephiroth is a bit too much.
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Kefka just wanted to destroy everything…and that's all.
No real reason, no real story behind him, nothing...he's your usual nutcase who wants to destroy everything cause he can.
We had already seen that a billion times.He didn't just want to - he did. What do you think the World of Ruin is? It's a Post-Apocalyptic world created by Kefka. He accomplished his goal. The goal many villains before him set out to do but never did - destroy the world. And he still wasn't satisfied. Kefka may not have had too much background, but he proved to be the most evil mo-fo around.
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@omae:
Plus about clones controlling Sephiroth. Personal opinion here folks so put up your blaster shields. Doubtful. If anything it's Jenova doing the manipulating via the experiments and injections in order to ressurect him. But then comes the question, WHY RESSURECT SOMEONE WHO GOT HIS SHYT HANDED TO HIM BY A GRUNT? ^o^
Jenova IS doing the manipulation, that much is clear when its said about the clones being injected by Jenova cells, as Jenova can manipulate her cells (Hence the shapeshifting). And the "reunion" is a result of this manipulation.
Jenova is vastly under-rated. However, Sephiroth isn't so much over-rated that he becomes a pathetic villain either. I think the will of Sephiroth is the thing that makes him legendary. As he just doesnt seem to go away forever.
He gets "owned" by our hero during the Mount Nibel Reactor incident, he then jumps into the lifestream, presumed dead. Years later, he makes his move using Jenova, who morphs herself into Sephiroth carrying over his will. Doing all the bad stuff, then at the finale his true body is defeated by Cloud again.
In AC
! Kadaj, using a horde of Jenova goodness inriched with vitamin Seph, becomes a host for the will of Sephiroth, and once again is defeated.
The guy just won't give up. :laugh:
As for Kefka, he IS more evil and wicked but he is predictable, I mean who didn't see the emperor getting backstabbed a mile away? Love the guy to bits, but you can read him like a book.
But Seph makes the more interesting villain, I think. Totally my own opinion, but thats how I see it.
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@The:
He didn't just want to - he did. What do you think the World of Ruin is? It's a Post-Apocalyptic world created by Kefka. He accomplished his goal. The goal many villains before him set out to do but never did - destroy the world. And he still wasn't satisfied. Kefka may not have had too much background, but he proved to be the most evil mo-fo around.
The post apocalyptic world is indeed a great thing but, that gives positive points to FF VI itself, not Kefka IMO.
What I mean is, any villain who would have been in Kefka's position would have done the same…all aim to cause destruction, Kefka was just lucky enough to appear in a game where the plot allowed him to actually achieve his goal.
So I believe it's + 10 pts to FF VI for daring to let the villain win (even if only temporarely), but Kefka himself, I don't know.
Even if there is a quote somewhere that backs it up, what motivation does he have? Revenge? Against whom? Humans? What did they ever do to him besides Hojo? Just frustrating. I had such high hopes for him and loved him in the game but when I sat down and thought about it, I just realized he's paper thin.
As far as I remember, he wanted to become one with the planet to continue what his mother was doing, that is travel from planet to planet…sort of like a parasite.
Besides, everyone wants to reach a new, higher level of existence if possible.Been years since I played FF VII so I'm not so sure...
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@omae:
I will admit to not having played the game in…...wow about a decade. But I don't recall any evidence that he wanted to become a god, let alone for his own reasons.
Here ya go:
Sephiroth: "You stupid fools. You have never even thought about it. All the
spirit energy of this Planet. All its wisdom.. knowledge… I will meld with it
all. I will become one with it... It will become one with me. It's simple. Once
the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to heal the injury. The amount of
energy gathered depends on the size of the injury... What would happen if there
was an injury that threatened the very life of the Planet? Think how much
energy would be gathered! Ha ha ha. And at the centre of that injury, will be
me. All that boundless energy will be mine. By merging with all the energy of
the Planet, I will become a new life form, a new existence. Melding with the
Planet... I will cease to exist as I am now. Only to be reborn as a 'God' to
rule over every soul."@omae:
Even if there is a quote somewhere that backs it up, what motivation does he have? Revenge? Against whom? Humans? What did they ever do to him besides Hojo? Just frustrating. I had such high hopes for him and loved him in the game but when I sat down and thought about it, I just realized he's paper thin.
He went nuts in Nibelheim, that's his reason. Kefkas' brain was toasted by magicite, so they were both crazy- but I still say Kefka is even "thinner".
@omae:
Plus about clones controlling Sephiroth. Personal opinion here folks so put up your blaster shields. Doubtful. If anything it's Jenova doing the manipulating via the experiments and injections in order to ressurect him. But then comes the question, WHY RESSURECT SOMEONE WHO GOT HIS SHYT HANDED TO HIM BY A GRUNT? ^o^
A quote from Cloud: "I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth, I was being summoned by him". By Him. And if it was Jenova behind it all, she'd have to have acted her way through the entire game, impersonating a son she'd never known.
@omae:
At least we know for certain Kefka wanted the power of a god so he could kill as much as possible.
I don't find "maniac" and evil to be the same. I mean, Kefka had no trace of sanity, just sitting on his tower going DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY! (actual quote, mind you) and firing death beams. Thats not evil, it's just a kid stomping on ants on a larger scale.
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Although it's not my favorite, I like FFVII okay. I like IV, V, and VI better though (can't decided the order, although VI goes first probably). I know VII is definitely over-rated, but it was still enjoyable and had some cool stuff in it.
And about the Turks…they were my favorite thing about VII. I definitely don't think they are (or at least "were") over-rated. My favorite member was Rude, and people thought I was crazy. The only truly popular member was Reno, if you checked out the fansites back then. However, because of Advent Children, everyone likes Rude. Which kind of annoys me, but I can't just tell people "hey, I liked something first, so you can't!" or anything. It just took everyone else longer to realize he was always pretty cool.
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Hey Omae, what set you off with this Seph rant anyways?
and just to get in the debate, I like Kefka better. I don't know why. Your right, he does have no background. He's more like some vishous creature jumping out of the woods at you and just starts atacking for no reason. His personality is predictable, but hilariosly evil, none the less. And yes, His charicteristic laugh, and theme music are tough to beat. Both the pansy cooky theme music, thoughout the game, and the final boss music that's just so comanding of your attention.
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Years later, he makes his move using Jenova, who morphs herself into Sephiroth carrying over his will.
Okay, Sephiroth's will. That's at the center of discussion here. And I agree with poster Raoul:
As far as I remember, he wanted to become one with the planet to continue what his mother was doing, that is travel from planet to planet…sort of like a parasite.
See, even Sephiroth's will isn't even his own. It's all what Jenova wanted. She manipulated him, she made him think it's what he wanted all beginning with his reading of the experiments. She's not even his damn mommy and he still follows her around like a mindless drone bytch that he is. Seph is a mindless drone. I've always said this and I stick by it, he's more pitiful than anything I could hate as a villain.
Just one big castrated bytch.
And as far as Kefka having no motivation, I TOTALLY agree. But I also believe that way back when it was released, that kind of villain wasn't as common as it is today. Not to mention if you wander around Vector enough, you do find out that in his engineering there was something that went wrong with him which turned him into the power-hungry bastard he was. not to mention, the thing which was great about Kefka was, he was 100% nihilistic. Seriously. He didn't care about ruling over things, he just wanted to kill everything. Usually that's what comic book and video game storylines shove off on "Dark Lords" or "Demons from beyond". But Kefka was just an experiment gone wrong on a human that became a vicious death-monger. Then meanwhile we've got Seph following Jenova like a dog who just wants to walk in her footsteps. Poor creature. I mean if you talk about Kefka being predictable, at least he knows how to die and the writers didn't blink at actually killing him. Seph is like freaking Freddy and Jason. Even after AC. I hope DoC finally lets that just die off.
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I fail to see how Kefka is better than Sephiroth.
Let's compare, shall we?
Public Destruction
Sephiroth: Burned down a town, but apparently didn't kill many of its inhabitants.
Kefka: Burned an entire planet. On a more personal scale, murdered an entire kingdom by poisoning their water supply.
Point: Kefka
Other Challenges
Kefka: Challenged by strongest warrior in the world, kills him. Challenged by living embodiments of magic, kills them, and takes their powers then gloats.
Sephiroth: Stabbed in the back by some nobody, a clear loss. Challenged by a giant snake, kills it, and spends time arranging it to taunt the heroes. Or something, hell, I don't know what the point of that was.
Point: Kefka
Employment
Sephiroth: Killed his former boss: a fat, old tycoon.
Kefka: Killed his former boss: an Emperor who was a fairly high level mage by the end. Also old.
Point: Kefka
Goals
Kefka: Ascendancy to Godhood and the remaking of the world in his own image.
Sephiroth: Self-discovery or some damn emo bitch thing.
Point: Kefka
Losses
Sephiroth: Several. Final loss in VII in single combat against an even bigger whiny emo bitch. Also loses to a kid in shorts.
Kefka: Several. Has never lost against a single opponent.
Point: Kefka
It's a sweep!
Complicating things since 2009.
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Here ya go:
Sephiroth: "You stupid fools. You have never even thought about it. All the
spirit energy of this Planet. All its wisdom.. knowledge… I will meld with it
all. I will become one with it... It will become one with me. It's simple. Once
the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to heal the injury. The amount of
energy gathered depends on the size of the injury... What would happen if there
was an injury that threatened the very life of the Planet? Think how much
energy would be gathered! Ha ha ha. And at the centre of that injury, will be
me. All that boundless energy will be mine. By merging with all the energy of
the Planet, I will become a new life form, a new existence. Melding with the
Planet... I will cease to exist as I am now. Only to be reborn as a 'God' to
rule over every soul."Okay, thank you. Now, this also perfectly shows my point. That obviously isn't Sephiroth talking. Why would he say that or even need to say that? It seems that before his enlightening, Seph was pretty much your average guy. I mean hye was an elite fighter yeah, but he wasn't a power-hungry bitch. Now when you really look at the last line of that quote:
Only to be reborn as a 'God' to
rule over every soul.If you didn't tell me that was Sephiroth, I would just have easily guessed it was a line from Kefka. At least Kefka decided on his own twisted will to fuck over the world. Sephiroth is just a puppet. I mentioned this earlier but I think the strongest proof that, that voice isn't him speaking for himself is that WHO does he want revenge on? Humans? What did they do to him? Why would he want to 'rule over' anyone? What did they do to him? If it was Sephiroth, then he want to extract some holy justice on Hojo for making him what he was.
When it all boils down, the ultimate goals of Sephiroth and Kefka (and many other FF villains) are EXACTLY the same. I like Kefka and a few other because at least it was their own decision to attempt a genocide, whereas Seph here is just being controlled. Like I said, I pity him more than hate him.
He went nuts in Nibelheim, that's his reason. Kefkas' brain was toasted by magicite, so they were both crazy- but I still say Kefka is even "thinner".
Yeah, I totally understand that. He read about what happened to him. That's no reason to suddenly want to become a god. Not unless you've been awakened to the fact that you're being used.
A quote from Cloud: "I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth, I was being summoned by him". By Him. And if it was Jenova behind it all, she'd have to have acted her way through the entire game, impersonating a son she'd never known.
My point exactly! Jenova IS using him. That is the very epicenter of my enraged and profane thesis here. She is using him. WHY?????? Why not someone else? Sephiroth got whupped bad by Cloud who was just a guard. Why utilize that strength and power?
I don't find "maniac" and evil to be the same. I mean, Kefka had no trace of sanity, just sitting on his tower going DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY! (actual quote, mind you) and firing death beams. Thats not evil, it's just a kid stomping on ants on a larger scale.
Exactly!!!!! Except replace ants with humanity. He's an insane mass-murdering fuck. Yeah we all like our villains to have some duality in them, but if they're really good at being pure evil, well, you won't find any complaints from me.
Kefka just isn't evil in the same way that, say, Crocodile is.
Woah woah woah! Phweeeeet! That's the sound of the STOP whistle. Now I LOOOOOOVE OP, but I think one of the most screaming 2-D villains in the entire series was Croc. At first we thought he was just trying to get wealthy. Then we find out he already has all the cash he needs and doesn't need extortion or a warring country to profit. Then we think he's attempting to create a Utopia. Okay, fair enough, we could have waited to see how that played out. But THEN it turns out his REAL goal is to get the Ancient Weapon in his hand(s). And then he'd….........um........yeah......He'd have the Ancient Weapon and he could uh.....Yeah.....I guess uh....accumulate more wealth? More than the mountain he already has I guess....I mean maybe.....I guess he could uh.....get free pizza and stuff. Maybe uh...get people's respect? Well I suppose but uh, he already had that and didn't look like he really wanted it.....Gee, what DID he really want anyway? Croc is a mean SOB but OP's critics are right about him not having any clear motivation. His VAST and MIND-BOGGLINGLY intricate plan that must have cost a FORTUNE to set into action would result in him holding the world for ransom for desires he already has in spades. Don't get me wrong, I love 'im to death, but not exactly the first villain that comes to mind when I think about someone with interesting motivations. At least none that have come to light thus far.
Hey Omae, what set you off with this Seph rant anyways?
I think I read a post pouring praise on FF7 like butter on a Longhorn Steakhouse Prime Rib and it set me off again.
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Thanks, Bloodfoot. I finally see the Legendary Madame Sephiroth.
Fine, let her have him.
I'm heading for astral Vermont for a spiritual civil union with Arlong (gets spiritually whacked by Saito Ayame) err Kuroobi-swan… XD XD XD
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Wow. Some people huh? Well as long as they aren't harming anyone else ya know.
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Let's compare, shall we?
Public Destruction
Sephiroth: Burned down a town, but apparently didn't kill many of its inhabitants.
Kefka: Burned an entire planet. On a more personal scale, murdered an entire kingdom by poisoning their water supply.
Ah, the old "Kefka accomplished more!" argument.
First off, for Sephiroth: That would be because the present day Nibelheim citizens are actors, hired by Shinra.
And when were talking Destruction caused, you seem to forget that Sephiroth has a helluva lot of Shinra people on his conscience, and let's not forget the casualties caused by the Weapons that were awakened because of him, shall we?And for Kefka: Despite everyone saying "He destroyed the world!" the planet is still intact, and has plenty of life and lush vegetation. What Kefka did was cause explosions on the surface for a year. Sephiroth on the other hand was infinietely close to erasing all life from the planet, and blasting a big hole in it.
IMO, nearly succeded ending of planet + life > blowing up random people for a year, but I know you won't agree.Other Challenges
Kefka: Challenged by strongest warrior in the world, kills him. Challenged by living embodiments of magic, kills them, and takes their powers then gloats.
I say, if Kefka was this strong, you would think he wouldn't have got imprisoned right? Besides, if memory serves, he used an illusion to beat Leo.
Sephiroth: Stabbed in the back by some nobody, a clear loss. Challenged by a giant snake, kills it, and spends time arranging it to taunt the heroes. Or something, hell, I don't know what the point of that was.
Correction: Impales nobody. Nobody grabs sword, and throws it and Sephy into the LS.
And yes, he kills a snake easily that is lethal to the heroes. And he owns the turks. Oh, and kills the main defensive/healing character of the game.Employment
Sephiroth: Killed his former boss: a fat, old tycoon.
Kefka: Killed his former boss: an Emperor who was a fairly high level mage by the end. Also old.
Point: Kefka
Eh, no argument there, but I can't see your point. It wasn't as if Sephiroth was "usurping" anything.
Goals
Kefka: Ascendancy to Godhood and the remaking of the world in his own image.
Thats' an awfully poetic goal for someone like Kefka. I'd phrase it: Blow stuff up, and get enough power that people can't say "no".
Sephiroth: Self-discovery or some damn emo bitch thing.
Check the quote I posted earlier. He wants godhood too, and actually states it.
Losses
Sephiroth: Several. Final loss in VII in single combat against an even bigger whiny emo bitch. Also loses to a kid in shorts.
Aside from being thrown in the LS, none. The last battle was a mental battle by the way. And KH is irrelevant to this discussion.
Kefka: Has never lost against a single opponent.
Except for to the heroes, at the hills of Narshe. Again, he was JAILED for crying out loud.
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Damn, I hate it when food interrupts a discussion…
@omae:
Okay, thank you. Now, this also perfectly shows my point. That obviously isn't Sephiroth talking. Why would he say that or even need to say that? It seems that before his enlightening, Seph was pretty much your average guy. I mean hye was an elite fighter yeah, but he wasn't a power-hungry bitch. Now when you really look at the last line of that quote:
If you didn't tell me that was Sephiroth, I would just have easily guessed it was a line from Kefka. At least Kefka decided on his own twisted will to fuck over the world. Sephiroth is just a puppet. I mentioned this earlier but I think the strongest proof that, that voice isn't him speaking for himself is that WHO does he want revenge on? Humans? What did they do to him? Why would he want to 'rule over' anyone? What did they do to him? If it was Sephiroth, then he want to extract some holy justice on Hojo for making him what he was.
When it all boils down, the ultimate goals of Sephiroth and Kefka (and many other FF villains) are EXACTLY the same. I like Kefka and a few other because at least it was their own decision to attempt a genocide, whereas Seph here is just being controlled. Like I said, I pity him more than hate him.
Yeah, I totally understand that. He read about what happened to him. That's no reason to suddenly want to become a god. Not unless you've been awakened to the fact that you're being used.
Well, all this boils down to one thing: Sephiroth has no real reason to want what he wants.
Kefka was insane, that's the "choice" he made, thats' all the reason he needed. But Sephiroth was Mental too, and that's appearantly insignificant.
Because we new the "old" Sephiroth and the events that changed him we question his goals, but they don't have to make sense: Because he went mental, but in the "I am the chosen one" fashion, as opposed to the "ooohehhehe….Fire" fashion that is Kefka.@omae:
My point exactly! Jenova IS using him. That is the very epicenter of my enraged and profane thesis here. She is using him. WHY?????? Why not someone else? Sephiroth got whupped bad by Cloud who was just a guard. Why utilize that strength and power?
What is your basis for this? At what point in the entire game does Jenova show sentient thought? And they didn't have the same goals; Jenova was a simple predator which wiped out the Ancients, whereas Sephiroth believes himself to be the Chosen One, the Last Ancient, and wants to become God. What makes you think Jenova wanted this?
@omae:
Exactly!!!!! Except replace ants with humanity. He's an insane mass-murdering fuck. Yeah we all like our villains to have some duality in them, but if they're really good at being pure evil, well, you won't find any complaints from me.
That's kinda what I meant with large scale, and I still see Kefka as nothing more than a adult with the mind of a violent child.
This is why I chose Crocodile as a "pure evil" example; because of moments like his "you cannot save this country" speech. Croc was completely sane- He was evil by choice. The "mental rapes" Crocodile performs are what makes him pure evil, and I can't see a man saying "Wait?! Do I look like a waiter?" Performing those.I didn't choose Crocodile because of his motivation, but I'll be glad to clarify it: He wanted world domination. He states it in chapter 193. As for the matter of greed, I thought it was common knowledge that wealth fosters even more greed. Besides, you don't see guys like Higuruma planning world domition do you? It's always been the wealthy ones.
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Hey Omae, I don't know if it was my post or not that set you off, but I really don't get why it bothers you so much. If you don't like FFVII, that's cool, but there's a lot of people who will disagree with you, and not all of them are stupid fanboys who haven't played the NES and SNES Final Fantasies.
Anyway, I never liked Sephiroth, coz he was a jerk and he killed my favourite character, but this made
the final battle all the more satisfying. Also, I thought the chibified game Sephiroth was more intimidating than the
sunken-cheeked girly boy in the movie funnily enough.BTW there's this loser on LJ called mrs_sephiroth (she's also the webmaster of AC.net) who's really in love with Sephiroth. Like she says she's better
than other fangirls, because fangirls generally have boyfriends or family members they love more than Sephiroth, and therefore they're fakes who don't really love Seph as much as she does. She also thinks Sephiroth is a sweet guy who loves her back. snort -
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Well, all this boils down to one thing: Sephiroth has no real reason to want what he wants.
Bingo.
Kefka was insane, that's the "choice" he made, thats' all the reason he needed. But Sephiroth was Mental too
Well here's the thing. He spent a few days reading books. That suddenly made him question who he was and his whole life? THAT triggered the chain of events that led to him being the most overrated tool in videogames history? Weeeeeak.
Because we new the "old" Sephiroth and the events that changed him we question his goals, but they don't have to make sense: Because he went mental, but in the "I am the chosen one" fashion, as opposed to the "ooohehhehe….Fire" fashion that is Kefka.
Well, yeah, they do have to make sense. Because one day he was a normal guy and the next he's spouting crap about rejoining his 'mother'.
What is your basis for this? At what point in the entire game does Jenova show sentient thought?
Well I don't really need proof since there simply is no other explanation for everything. All the clones acting in conjunction. The strange morphings. Sephiroth's SUDDEN 'coincidental' awakening, the existence of SOLDIER and of course the manipulation of Sephiroth. But since you asked for proof I'd say the fact that you hit and her she hits back is more than enough proof that she's fighting for her 'life'.
I'm sorry, but if you want me to believe that the writers actually intended the events at Nibelheim to be 100% Sephiroth acting on his own and had nothing to do with Jenova, then he's even weaker and more pathetic than I previously thought and quite frankly I like him too much to want to think that.
And they didn't have the same goals; Jenova was a simple predator which wiped out the Ancients, whereas Sephiroth believes himself to be the Chosen One, the Last Ancient, and wants to become God. What makes you think Jenova wanted this?
Jenova did that to the Ancients and supposedly many other races. A poster even mentioned that here. The ability to destroy entire civilizations and move from planet to planet across the universe. If that isn't a godlike power I don't wanna know what is.
That's kinda what I meant with large scale, and I still see Kefka as nothing more than a adult with the mind of a violent child.
I know dude! Isn't that awesome!! What a FREAK!
"Wait?! Do I look like a waiter?" Performing those.
I dunno dude. If you don't like your psychos with twisted humor then I can't help you there but IT didn't scare the piss out of a whole generation of readers for no reason.
I didn't choose Crocodile because of his motivation, but I'll be glad to clarify it: He wanted world domination. He states it in chapter 193. As for the matter of greed, I thought it was common knowledge that wealth fosters even more greed. Besides, you don't see guys like Higuruma planning world domition do you? It's always been the wealthy ones.
Oh I know he states it. But uh….not exactly the most solid of plans is it? He has everything he wants and needs. No reason to fuck it all up. The dumbass didn't even consider that the Weapons may not even exist anymore.....AND ONE OF THEIR DESTINATIONS OF ORIGIN WAS A HOP-SKIP-AND-A-JUMP DOWN GL. Lame.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Villains like Kefka are those you love to hate. Sephiroth and his emo bitch bretheren are only worth my pity.
Hey Omae, I don't know if it was my post or not that set you off, but I really don't get why it bothers you so much.
Hmmm, I don't recall reading a post of your's recently. Actually I think it was reading IGN's Top 10 Video Game Villains of All Time.
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Sephiroth was boring and emo. He just looked cool and had cool theme.
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BTW there's this loser on LJ called mrs_sephiroth (she's also the webmaster of AC.net) who's really in love with Sephiroth. Like she says she's better
than other fangirls, because fangirls generally have boyfriends or family members they love more than Sephiroth, and therefore they're fakes who don't really love Seph as much as she does. She also thinks Sephiroth is a sweet guy who loves her back. snortSo, in other words, what she is saying, if I love God, I can not love my husband, because it is not true love.
Same shit, different pile.
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Well God is understandable, but a video game character is just stupid. At least Square Enix are able to confirm Sephiroth's non-existance.
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What really makes me glad about this thread is that it hasn't come down to the "BUT OMG HE KILLED AERIS!!!!11" card that every fanboy/girl seems to throw. It just shows how intelligent we all can be when discussing a topic such as this.^^
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BUT OMG HE KILLED AERIS!!!!11
Well if that came up it'd be easy ^O^
I could care less if he…..or his clones....or whatever.....killed her. I wasn't sold on her "most beloved character in the history of videogames" deal. What I do think was neat was simply the fact that she died and then stayed dead. That was new and interesting.
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okay now my message isn't showing up, what the bloody hell?
fine:
@Bloodfoot:Oh jeeze. It thinks it's "married" to Sephiroth on the "astral plane."
(Ha! Blurty, not LJ.)
Yuna's gonna hate me for this but:
EDITnever mind, I can't do that to a friend but I know someone who also says she's married to Sephiroth…. not on the astral plane though. it's just what she calls her BF and... he RPs as Sephiroth sometimes. And people say SHE'S crazy...
I respect her love for Seph though, I really do (my friend, not the astrel plane person) because I used to have the same thing for Sonic the Hedgehog but not on a romantic level...
so then... it'd be funny to have these two girls in a room together XD
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@The:
Ah, the old "Kefka accomplished more!" argument.
And he didn't how?
First off, for Sephiroth: That would be because the present day Nibelheim citizens are actors, hired by Shinra.
It's been a while, so I forgot about that.
But didn't Shinra's paramilitary forces kill off some of the inhabitants as well?
Doma was strictly Kefka.
And when were talking Destruction caused, you seem to forget that Sephiroth has a helluva lot of Shinra people on his conscience,
How many people did Kefka have Terra kill during her training?
Fifty or a hundred?
and let's not forget the casualties caused by the Weapons that were awakened because of him, shall we?
As I recall, two of them did absolutely nothing, but stand around (one of them right next to a freakin' amusement park that it displayed no interest in).
Even then, Kefka also unleashed an entire horde of monsters on the world. Phunbaba, Doomgaze, the Dragons, and Atma.
IMO, nearly succeded ending of planet + life > blowing up random people for a year, but I know you won't agree.
The problem is that is Kefka almost certainly could have wiped out humanity if he had wanted to. He got what he wanted, but he seems genuinely bored with power and is basically just sitting around in his tower and toying with humanity when he feels like it as a result. Kefka's pretty childlike and that's exactly what makes him so dangerous.
Sephiroth coming close to his goals will never equal Kefka actually acquiring godhood.
I say, if Kefka was this strong, you would think he wouldn't have got imprisoned right?
Not really, when it's blatantly obvious that the whole thing was a ruse. The only reason Geshtal locked him up was as a bargaining chip to get what he wanted; he was immediately freed the minute that goal was accomplished.
Besides, if memory serves, he used an illusion to beat Leo.
Actually, he used an illusion to trick Leo into attacking it, but I'm pretty sure that he kills Leo with a knife. That or with his bare hands. Hard to tell by the sound the game uses to represent the sequence.
Correction: Impales nobody. Nobody grabs sword, and throws it and Sephy into the LS.
Which doesn't change it from being a loss to a nobody.
And yes, he kills a snake easily that is lethal to the heroes.
And then wastes time arranging it to send a message. There's no other reason for it to jammed on a tree like that.
And he owns the turks.
I have to say, so what? They're the Turks for God's sake.
Oh, and kills the main defensive/healing character of the game.
Maybe it's just me, but killing a freaking flower girl is not an impressive feat by any stretch of the imagination.
Eh, no argument there, but I can't see your point. It wasn't as if Sephiroth was "usurping" anything.
Basically, it's just another incident where Kefka got his hands dirty by killing somebody capable of protecting themselves while Sephiroth's largest claim to fame is killing a praying woman.
Thats' an awfully poetic goal for someone like Kefka. I'd phrase it: Blow stuff up, and get enough power that people can't say "no".
Check the quote I posted earlier. He wants godhood too, and actually states it.
See, either way, it's basically the same goal. The only difference is that Kefka actually achieved his goal.
It doesn't matter what Sephiroth says he wants to do, he never did it. Kefka actually absorbed the powers of the Three Goddesses and reshaped the face of the world.
Aside from being thrown in the LS, none.
That's still a loss to a single person.
The last battle was a mental battle by the way.
A mental battle. Personally, I find that kind of stupid really.
And KH is irrelevant to this discussion.
Same guy. I don't see Kefka ever working for anybody else after he offed Geshtal.
Except for to the heroes, at the hills of Narshe.
Yes, a group of heroes, which was my point.
Again, he was JAILED for crying out loud.
Again, it was a trick by Geshtal.
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The problem is, when FF7 frist came out; everyone was getting crazy about it. People who played the game would say stuff like "Best game ever!" "Squaresoft mulit-millon dollers masterpiece!" "It's amazing! Absolutly flawless!" "GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD!" "I love it! I love it!"
"The characters are well developed! They have personal in-depth!"But 5 years ago, I played the game and I did notice flaws no one wants to say. I never heard people saying anything bad about the game. The story was not that great, the battle system was intersting but as you go towards the end it gets non-challanging.
Don't get me wrong, I like this game, when I frist found it I did not want to play it due to swearing and a word "holy" in it. But in 2001 I decided to buy a FF7 PC version to see why people loves it so badly and decide to give it a try. I bought it without being overhyped. Let's skip the history, I'm going to review this game.
The story was good but not perfect and no where near great, I did not find anything hyper about it. The graphic sucks but colorful. The game has some cliche' in it and the characters are steriodtypical but they are played well. Not all characters have in-depth, most characters are cliches and they don't do anything important. The battle system is intersting. I wish the writers would add extra dungeons and more opitional bosses and stronger enemies, hell the enemies in the final stage are weak and the morphing became usless after beating Hojo; you won't need to get "power ups" "magic ups" etc anymore. I would rate this game 7/10 stars.
I don't understand why fanboys treat this game like if it's flawless and god when in reality it's just a normal game. Sephiroth was cool but he did nothing during the game, Jenova does all the work which made Sephiroth look lousy. I would be intersting if Sephiroth fake his death and infuse himself with Jenova cells and go out to do the work. Cloud spent the rest of the game chasing Jenova which was so dumb, why can't Sephiroth do all of that work Jenova is doing?
Sephiroth is just a loser stuck in the carter for the rest of the game, and he has no character depth. Like Aries who is so undeveloped.
Kefka is the real son-of-a-bitch, he does kill many people and he is not a crybaby like Sephiroth
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Omae, what's your opinion on the hero, Cloud? Because I think he was one of the best parts of the game. Why? Because he was a struggling hero with a huge inferiority complex that spiralled into near insanity. But then in the end, he overcomes these issues and lays the smackdown on his former ideal/tormentor.
I think it's sad that most people see Cloud as just an emo kid with a huge freaking sword (although the new emo 'tude is KH and AC's fault. Sure he's stoic and had issues in FF7, but he could be funny).BTW, in case anyone was wondering, Jenova has one line in the game. After Aeris' death "Sephiroth" taunts Cloud and says "yadda yadda yadda because…"
(insert Jenova Life fight)
Jenova says "because you're a puppet."
Captain Kuro, the newcomer fans who only watched AC bug me too, because while that movie was fanservicy goodness, most of the characters were way OOC. Like the Turks. Everyone loves the Turks now, even though they were assholes to your party in the game (but in a funny way) and showed no mercy to the little people of Sector 7/8/whichever one blew up.
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Captain Kuro, the newcomer fans who only watched AC bug me too, because while that movie was fanservicy goodness, most of the characters were way OOC. Like the Turks. Everyone loves the Turks now, even though they were assholes to your party in the game (but in a funny way) and showed no mercy to the little people of Sector 7/8/whichever one blew up.
I'd still say most people like the Turks for their "coolness" shown in FFVII the game an example would be at Da Chao mountain when they finally kill Corneo, and not their clown antics in FFVII: AC. Plus their theme was ace. :laugh:
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I'd still say most people like the Turks for their "coolness" shown in FFVII the game an example would be at Da Chao mountain when they finally kill Corneo, and not their clown antics in FFVII: AC. Plus their theme was ace. :laugh:
Oh I like the Turks, but a lot of newcomers mistake them for "good guys."
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@joekido:
…infuse himself with Jenova cells...
Uh…he already is; ever since he was in the womb.
EDIT: I do like Sephiroth though but not because he's "badass". He's a tool. He's been screwed over even before he was born. He's more of a pitiful character than a badass one, I like him for that.
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Omae, what's your opinion on the hero, Cloud?
Hmmmm. I suppose I like him but I don't like how the writers used him. My biggest complaint, even after finishing the first time, was that the game had to lie to you to pull it's trademark twist. I wasn't a big fan of that and my qualms all stemmed from him being used to lie and Tifa's bubblegum-chewing inexplicable silence in going along with it for so long.
