Do you think anyone in the Straw Hat crew will realize that if they put one of the conch shells (from skypeia) on their ship, then they could cross the calm belt and by using the technology Tom invented to keep the sea kings away, although I know that, that was developed with the paddles of the sea trains.
I think it is soemthing someone should discover or use, like Usopp should create :laugh:
Which leads me ultimately to the idea that Tom might have created the
vehicle that currently connects EL with Marie Joah. A third Puffing Tom maybe?
I thought it's not JUST a problem of getting from one side to another…. Once you get in, there's no way to navigate yourself back out. Well no full proof way.
I thought they calm belt was pretty large so its unlikely to use a dial all the way to get across without getting eaten by a sea king, Also for the third train, someone would have to build it first, and that pretty dangerous so its not likely that someone would. Would his invention work on something so big.
I thought it's not JUST a problem of getting from one side to another…. Once you get in, there's no way to navigate yourself back out. Well no full proof way.
The main problem with the Calm Belt is threefold:
Navigation is less of a problem that the fact that you can't go anywhere.
Theoretically, somebody like Ace might be able to cross it as his skiff doesn't require wind or currents to move and he's too strong for most of the monsters to attack directly. Of course, if they tip him over, well, he's done for.
I'm not sure how, but the giant monsters slipped my mind hehe
Maybe something like franky's coup de vent can be put into a ship and run on cola or something.
I think you forget 1 othr person. Admiral Koji- after all- he could just frreeze an entire section of the oceon and bike across.
Seakings wouldn't be too much of a problem for him. With those ice powers-he could easily handle them.
Yeah, but that is just him. =/
I would really like to be Kiji, or have his power, hehe. :D
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I wonder how Don Krieg managed it to return to East Blue.
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yeah thats What I want to know too
and owner zeff and the marines how do they get out of the grand line without sailing till the end
??????????????? thats a mistery ?????????
dammit if the calm belts had strong currents and winds pointing from the grand line to the blues it would be so much easier, can't get in, cos wind points in other direction. can't use a non wind powered vehicle cos the current pushes you back. from any part of the grand line if you stray away from your course, you get into the "calm belt" and are pushed out of the blue
but…oda has a plan of course :D
I think that with luck, a strong crew and some way to make the ship move (Devil Fruit, steam engines, other inventions), you can cross the calm belt. However, this is never a safe travel.
Also, I have the feeling (not proven) that there may be some exit currents in Calm belt that allow someone on Grand Line to exit it, but not to return to Grand Line. I think Krieg used some of this. This is just a personal theory, however, Oda never said anything about how you escape Grand Line. One thing is certain, however: you can't exit through Reverse Mountain.
Actually if you sail close enough to the reverse mountain you might manage to cross the calm belt without getting lost. Now the sea monsters I dunno.
If I wanted to leave the GrandLine that's what i'd do. Find an Eternal LockPost to the begining and use the gigantic mountain as reference.
Also, there is deffinetly another way. This exit current theory is nice…
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I wonder how Don Krieg managed it to return to East Blue.
Considering that he was pursued out of the Grand Line by Fullbody, he most likely left the Grand Line somewhere around Mariejoa and then sailed most of the way across East Blue back to the Baratie.
Complicating things since 2009.
I don't think so… For him to go near Marijoa he would have to cross almost half of the Grand Line! (if Marijoa is in the other side of the Red Line, that is).
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Something that's been bothering me for a while, but I'm sure it must've come up before…
...exactly how does one leave the Grand Line? We know pirates such as Don Krieg and Arlong have gone and returned, also Marines and Shichibukai such as Mihawk seem to be able to come and go as they please. However, Reverse Mountain is a one-way street and the Calm Belt is supposedly "impossible" to cross. How does it work? Sorry for bringing it up, I'm sure somebody must've talked about it before.
Theoretically it should be possible to cross the belt if you use alternative
techniques to move the ship (like rowing, devil fruit power etc. ) and manage
to keep the sea kings away. Fish people might be able to communicate with
the sea kings and convince them to leave them alone. Tom hat methods to
keep them away from the sea train rails. Possibly there are a lot of people
in the GL that know how to deal with them and even sell technology to people
that come by. The marines most likely have their own routes for crossing.
After all it seems that the difficulties that come with crossing the belt
mostly apply to people who haven't been to the GL before and therefore
have to take the regular entrance via reverse mountain first.
Yeah, if you have enough food and water to survive for maybe a few months while rowing you could get across the calm belts. And if seakings are as fickle to be scared away by some noise, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to scare, distract, avoid, escape from them. If you do it this way you could get across but since its seems pretty inefficient I doubt the marines use this method. Oh, you could also always use king bulls or some other form of animal propulsion that we have seen so far.
Considering that he was pursued out of the Grand Line by Fullbody, he most likely left the Grand Line somewhere around Mariejoa and then sailed most of the way across East Blue back to the Baratie.
From what I understand (or should I say assume?) Maryjoa should be at the other side of the Red Line where the Grand Line goes through. If that´s the case then there´s no chance that Don Krieg got there since he had to cross half the Grand Line to do so.
IMO, he just accidentally and luckily made it through the Calm Belt back to East Blue. Remember Zoro´s plan when the Strawhat´s where at the Calm Belt? He said that they would wait until the Sea Kings are gone and then they would row as hell. It´s not a brilliant plan but if you accidentally get stuck at the Calm Belt unprepared then this is the best thing you could do.
And I think that´s what happened to Krieg. It was never said that navigating in the Calm Belt doesn´t function so theoretically their compasses might have shown the way back home there.
And let´s not remember the damages Krieg´s flag ship suffered. They could be from the huge Grand Line storm BUT they could also came from a Sea King attack in the Calm Belt. Just because the Strawhats met so many Sea Kings at once it doesn´t mean that there will be that much everywhere at the Calm Belt and if Krieg got lucky, he might have met only one Sea King and maybe it wasn´t even the biggest of them all. By my book Kriegs ship was big enough to survive an attack from one sole Sea King if it wasn´t the biggest one of them all. It´s possible that some of the damages come from there. Mihawk definitely didn´t damage the ship because a) Gin said, that the storm came before Mihawk could attack the flagg ship and b) we´ve seen how efficient Mihawk is with slicing ships.
So all in all, it´s likely that Krieg got back through the Calm Belt. Neither his ship nor his men looked as if they were in a fine condition anyway. If the Strawhats can get out of the Calm Belt with no scratches at all, why shouldn´t a villain do it, with big injuries and a new haircut?
With the Enies Lobby calm belt being filled with whirlpools I thaink we can assume it's not an ideal Sea King habitat. However, perhaps the WG has domesticated a few Sea kings who know a safe route, or one so large that it is unaffected.
The only other option I can think of is that the transport rides on a rail, following a safe passage.
The main problem with the Calm Belt is threefold:
- There's no wind.
- There aren't any currents.
- There are giant monsters everywhere.
Navigation is less of a problem that the fact that you can't go anywhere.
Theoretically, somebody like Ace might be able to cross it as his skiff doesn't require wind or currents to move and he's too strong for most of the monsters to attack directly. Of course, if they tip him over, well, he's done for.
Hahaha. Sorry, just had a mental image of Ace being capsized. And it was slightly humorous. >.> Anyway. I really do think Ace could make it through, actually. But it was just funny, and I had to say something.
Hey hey.. im not breaking the mood of the story or what..
They could fly through the calm belt right!? using airplanes or air balloon.. dont know if they exist though.. ^^; but hey!! thats a WAY!!
or the flying zoan ppl can fly through it too.. :laugh:
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With the Enies Lobby calm belt being filled with whirlpools I thaink we can assume it's not an ideal Sea King habitat. However, perhaps the WG has domesticated a few Sea kings who know a safe route, or one so large that it is unaffected.
Err, Cocoro said that the Enies Lobby Calm Belt like area lies behind the Gate of Justice so the whirlpools we´ve seen are not part of it.
The only other option I can think of is that the transport rides on a rail, following a safe passage.
I think that the ship (if it really is one and it´s not supposed to be a docking station) we see in the new chapter uses wheels on the side to paddle. If the area past the Gate of Justice really is anything like the Calm Belt, then this would explain why it doesn´t have any sails, because they would be useless.
After all Cocoro said, that the Marine/WG somehow found a way to maneuver through this area so it has to be some unconventional type of ship they use. Furthermore this works together with the random WG agents telling Spandam, that the ship isn´t ready some chapters ago. If it is such a special ship it might need special preparation.
I do think that those things on the side look like (don´t know if it´s the correct term) "wheel paddles" like those Mississippi steamboats had them on the heck. Now what I mean?
How do we know Reverse Mountain is one-way? Did Crocus say that? yes, it would require going up a waterfall, but stranger things have been done in One Piece…
Barring that, I think that the marines and others have charts of where seakings roam and where they don't roam, and use steam-powered ships to cross the Calm Boat. The first boat that comes to mind is Bon-chan's Swanda. Something like that would be perfect for crossing the calm belt.
From what I understand (or should I say assume?) Maryjoa should be at the other side of the Red Line where the Grand Line goes through. If that´s the case then there´s no chance that Don Krieg got there since he had to cross half the Grand Line to do so.
Not at all, Krieg's fleet had been sailing for roughly a week before they encountered Mihawk and an unspecified amount of time had passed after that encounter. We never hear how long Krieg had been gone.
The Straw Hats haven't been on the Grand Line very long and look how far they're across it without constant sailing to boot. Krieg may well have lucked out and hit a magnetic field where the various islands have their Log Poses set quickly or he may even have obtained a Eternal Pose in some fashion.
And I think that´s what happened to Krieg. It was never said that navigating in the Calm Belt doesn´t function so theoretically their compasses might have shown the way back home there.
That's not the problem; the problem is that a ship can't move in the Calm Belts because of the lack of wind and sea currents. Rowing isn't really an option with a ship that big, especially seeing as how it isn't designed to be rowed in the first place.
Mihawk definitely didn´t damage the ship because a) Gin said, that the storm came before Mihawk could attack the flagg ship and b) we´ve seen how efficient Mihawk is with slicing ships.
Actually, he says that Mihawk was unable to sink the flagship prior to the arrival of the storm, not that he was unable to attack it.
So all in all, it´s likely that Krieg got back through the Calm Belt. Neither his ship nor his men looked as if they were in a fine condition anyway. If the Strawhats can get out of the Calm Belt with no scratches at all, why shouldn´t a villain do it, with big injuries and a new haircut?
Did Fullbody also pursue Krieg's galleon through the Calm Belt?
His ship seems to be in tip-top shape and is considerably smaller.
It's possible that Fullbody was simply wandering around in East Blue (though you have to wonder why a Naval HQ Lieutenant would just be wondering around at his leisure), but Krieg's men said that Gin left Krieg's galleon shortly after leaving the Grand Line to draw off Fullbody. To me, that says that they had been pursued for some time.
The situation when Gin left did not seem anywhere near as bad as it was when he returned judging by his reaction upon finding the flagship, which means that he left the ship when they still had more supplies.
Complicating things since 2009.
Not at all, Krieg's fleet had been sailing for roughly a week before they encountered Mihawk and an unspecified amount of time had passed after that encounter. We never hear how long Krieg had been gone.
The Straw Hats haven't been on the Grand Line very long and look how far they're across it without constant sailing to boot. Krieg may well have lucked out and hit a magnetic field where the various islands have their Log Poses set quickly or he may even have obtained a Eternal Pose in some fashion.
I can make no argument with proof but I seriously doubt that Krieg who arrived luckily at the Holy Land Maryjoa without getting harmed. It just doesn´t sound right that a guy who lost 49 ships early in the Grand Line would advance that far.
That's not the problem; the problem is that a ship can't move in the Calm Belts because of the lack of wind and sea currents. Rowing isn't really an option with a ship that big, especially seeing as how it isn't designed to be rowed in the first place.
I disagree, rowing is the only option they got. It might not be an easy task for a ship of that size, but if I would be part of the crew and rowing would determine whether I survive or not you can bet anything you have on it that I would row like hell, to escape from the place that is a breeding ground for the large kind of Sea Kings.
Actually, he says that Mihawk was unable to sink the flagship prior to the arrival of the storm, not that he was unable to attack it.
Seeing it how easily Zoro was able to cut through Aqua Laguna and later on two train cars under the same condition I seriously doubt that the storm could have effected the efficiency of Mihawk´s strike. I´m sure that if he would have attacked it, he would have got the job done there already without the storm being able to take away the intensity of it.
Did Fullbody also pursue Krieg's galleon through the Calm Belt?
Who ever said that Fullbody was on the Grand Line to begin with? That was never established anywhere. Just because he was a Marine HQ back then it doesn´t mean that he couldn´t set sail for East Blue. Seeing it that he seemed pretty famous to the guest at Baratie it appears that he frequents there and that he accidentally ran into Kriegs galleon on his way to the restaurant. If you take a look at the map of East Blue you´ll see that Baratie isn´t that far away from the Calm Belt anyway so it makes perfect sense that Fullbody intercepted him accidentally.
It's possible that Fullbody was simply wandering around in East Blue (though you have to wonder why a Naval HQ Lieutenant would just be wondering around at his leisure), but Krieg's men said that Gin left Krieg's galleon shortly after leaving the Grand Line to draw off Fullbody. To me, that says that they had been pursued for some time.
Well as I just said above, a gourmet like Fullbody could be frequenting Baratie. Furthermore another reason to get to East Blue for him may be Mirrorball Island where he met Jango. Fullbody´s shines as somebody who enjoys the exquisite life and doesn´t mind sailing around to get to it.
The situation when Gin left did not seem anywhere near as bad as it was when he returned judging by his reaction upon finding the flagship, which means that he left the ship when they still had more supplies.
That is true but then again, he might never had a free breath to take a look at the damage. Just imagine you´re rowing like hell to escape a Sea King breeding ground while you are under attack of them only to immediately afterwards be on the run from a Marine ship. Not to mention that they there isn´t any supply´s on the boat anymore. I know I wouldn´t pay too much attention to every scratch the ship got. I would just notice that it suffers some damage but not how much exactly.
When Gin returned to Krieg he had the chance to take a good look at the condition of the ship without having his mind occupied by escaping Sea Kings, Marines or filling his stomach with food. Again it makes perfect sense to me.
How did Buggy leave?
How did Buggy leave?
Since it isn´t clear whether he was a pirate or not back then when he´s been at the Grand Line the first time it could be possible that he left through Maryjoa like Norland. I mean if he wasn´t a pirate back then he could have get passed the holy land on a normal ship quite easily. Just an assumption though.
I can make no argument with proof but I seriously doubt that Krieg who arrived luckily at the Holy Land Maryjoa without getting harmed. It just doesn´t sound right that a guy who lost 49 ships early in the Grand Line would advance that far.
Again, we don't know how far he was along the Grand Line before they encountered Mihawk. A single week could easily get them incredibly far along the Grand Line and it has not been said how long Mihawk has pursued them.
The Straw Hats have sailed much of the way across the Grand Line in not much more time and with a much smaller, damaged ship and a much smaller crew to boot.
I disagree, rowing is the only option they got. It might not be an easy task for a ship of that size, but if I would be part of the crew and rowing would determine whether I survive or not you can bet anything you have on it that I would row like hell, to escape from the place that is a breeding ground for the large kind of Sea Kings.
Krieg's galleon is easily twice as tall as the Baratie; would a galleon have a stock of oars fifty feet or more in length? His ship simply isn't designed to be rowed regardless of how much effort is put into it.
It's not an issue of willpower or strength, it's an issue where it's simply not mechanically possible for them to do such a thing.
Seeing it how easily Zoro was able to cut through Aqua Laguna and later on two train cars under the same condition I seriously doubt that the storm could have effected the efficiency of Mihawk´s strike. I´m sure that if he would have attacked it, he would have got the job done there already without the storm being able to take away the intensity of it.
Aqua Laguna is a considerably different thing that an actual squall, which would have had very limited visibility. The conditions did not necessarily prevent Mihawk from sinking Krieg's ship, it simply created a condition where the galleon could slip away from him.
If you take a look at the map of East Blue you´ll see that Baratie isn´t that far away from the Calm Belt anyway so it makes perfect sense that Fullbody intercepted him accidentally.
It's also not that far away from Reverse Mountain, which may well mean that he had pursued Gin so far across East Blue that he decided to drop by the Baratie with a date before returning to the Grand Line.
Fullbody´s shines as somebody who enjoys the exquisite life and doesn´t mind sailing around to get to it.
Actually, we don't know where Mirrorball Island is. That may have been a random stop on his way back home. Considering that he quickly had Django put on trial after arresting him, he must have went back on the Grand Line shortly after his visit there.
Not to mention that they there isn´t any supply´s on the boat anymore. I know I wouldn´t pay too much attention to every scratch the ship got. I would just notice that it suffers some damage but not how much exactly.
Actually, we don't know when they ran out of supplies. His comments suggest that he knew the situation was getting desperate, but the actual situation was far worse than he had imagined.
Plus I don't see him trying such a desperate move if he isn't well aware that Fullbody's ship was too much for Krieg's galleon to currently handle.
Complicating things since 2009.
Again, we don't know how far he was along the Grand Line before they encountered Mihawk. A single week could easily get them incredibly far along the Grand Line and it has not been said how long Mihawk has pursued them.
The Straw Hats have sailed much of the way across the Grand Line in not much more time and with a much smaller, damaged ship and a much smaller crew to boot.
The point is the Strawhats are the protagonists. They do stuff that nobody else can do. If a really dude like Krieg (whom I consider really weak in comparison of the likes of Crocodile, Bellamy, Mihawk, Doflamingo, Kuma, Ace and Blackbeard) could cross half the Grand Line that easily and even reach the Holy Land of the world itself, Maryjoa then somehow the whole build up for the Grand Line and consiquently for the protagonists suffers a big loss in status.
Mihawk, Doflamingo, Ace or Blackbeard could probably cross the first half of the Grand Line that quick and only if they have an Eternal Pose. That a guy like Krieg would do it would be a bigger display of luck then Luffy has had alltogether in the entire series so far.
Krieg's galleon is easily twice as tall as the Baratie; would a galleon have a stock of oars fifty feet or more in length? His ship simply isn't designed to be rowed regardless of how much effort is put into it.
If the captain of the ship wants to prepare for all situations then she should have a stock of oars fifty feet lenght or more? It may not be easy to store them somewhere but if someone wants to go sure then they would be there.
It's not an issue of willpower or strength, it's an issue where it's simply not mechanically possible for them to do such a thing.
In a real world not, but in a world were people have DF abilities, ships sail on clouds, islands get knocked into the sky, a whale has a the sky painted in the inside of his stomach walls and where a huge python dances lambada with the protagonists I consider it mechanically very possible that fifty feet long oars could be used for paddling to push a galleon forward.
Aqua Laguna is a considerably different thing that an actual squall, which would have had very limited visibility. The conditions did not necessarily prevent Mihawk from sinking Krieg's ship, it simply created a condition where the galleon could slip away from him.
That´s what I´m saying. If it slipped away from him he wasn´t able to hit it. He may have attacked it but due to the circumstances he couldn´t hit it which means the damages on the galleon to not come from Mihawks hand.
It's also not that far away from Reverse Mountain, which may well mean that he had pursued Gin so far across East Blue that he decided to drop by the Baratie with a date before returning to the Grand Line.
Doesn´t negate my point though. Not only is Reverse Mountain not far away from Baratie but it also isn´t far away from the Calm Belt. Doesn´t matter if Fullbody was on his way to the restaurant or to the mountain in both cases he could have intercepted Krieg coming from the Calm Belt. In fact if he intercepted him on his way to Reverse Mountain then Krieg definitely escaped through the Calm Belt because there´s no chance that Fullbody runs into Krieg close to Reverse Mountain if Krieg got out at the other part of the Red Line.
Actually, we don't know where Mirrorball Island is. That may have been a random stop on his way back home. Considering that he quickly had Django put on trial after arresting him, he must have went back on the Grand Line shortly after his visit there.
We don´t know for sure but it is really really unlikely that it is on the Grand Line. Jango is not Mihawk to sail easily through the Grand Line with a small boat. The fact that he had an easy travel and that he passed Morgan and met Fullbody who were all East Blue characters so far just screams that Mirrorball Island is in East Blue. As far as the trial is concerned. That happened at the Marine HQ. It´s evident because not only to they meet Hina at that place but we also see Garp, Coby and Helmeppo in the background.
It is a title story after all, so we don´t need a big elaboration to see how they sail the Grand Line. In CobyMeppo´s side adventure it happened in three pages. The first page shows Garp telling them that he takes them to the HQ. The second one shows the ship sailing and the third one shows them at the HQ already.
Now if you compare that to Jango´s story it is a bit shorter. It happens in two pages. The first one shows that Fullbody is taking Jango with him and the next one already shows them at the desired destination. In comparison to the CobyMeppo story the only pic that is missing is the one of a ship sailing on water.
Garps way from East Blue to the HQ was done real quick. So why couldn´t Fullbody´s have been done quicker? It´s not as if it is something that would require a novelization.
Actually, we don't know when they ran out of supplies. His comments suggest that he knew the situation was getting desperate, but the actual situation was far worse than he had imagined.
Plus I don't see him trying such a desperate move if he isn't well aware that Fullbody's ship was too much for Krieg's galleon to currently handle.
Well I think witnessing one guy singlehandedly sink 98% of a 50 ship strong ship, getting in a real Grand Line storm, rowing like hell to move a huge galleon and escape from monstrous Sea Kings is really enough to weaken the moral of a crew. I mean who in his right mind (except for the Strawhats who ain´t normal anyway) would actually be willing to take on a Marine ship after they´ve seen hell so often in a short amount of time? I know would do anything but fight after I´ve experienced all of that. Gin´s speech he gives Luffy about the horrors of the Grand Line shows how much a hell that experience was to him.
Since it isn´t clear whether he was a pirate or not back then when he´s been at the Grand Line the first time it could be possible that he left through Maryjoa like Norland
Buggy has been with a pirate crew since he was teen. He probably travel the grandline with his old captain. Maybe that's where his experience of the grand line came. He himself have never captain a boat through the grandline, which is why the map that Nami stole is his treasure. If he had travel the Grand Line on his own with his own crew he should be stronger than he is now and would not be defeated easily by Luffy.
As for getting to the Marine HQ. If from Enie Lobby you had to cross the Calm Belt to reach it, maybe it is not actually in the Grand Line itself. And if it is, the Marines were probably equipted with eternal post and can get there quicker and safer.
As for Krieg, from my understanding, Mihawk destroyed half his fleet. But at Baratie only one ship left. What happen to the others. My theory is Krieg used them as bait or shield from the Sea Kings so that he could escape through the calm belt (just barely). From what we know, he is despicable enough to do so.
Buggy has been with a pirate crew since he was teen. He probably travel the grandline with his old captain. Maybe that's where his experience of the grand line came. He himself have never captain a boat through the grandline, which is why the map that Nami stole is his treasure. If he had travel the Grand Line on his own with his own crew he should be stronger than he is now and would not be defeated easily by Luffy.
That however doesn´t mean that Buggy couldn´t have been at the Grand Line as a child on a non-pirate ship.
As for getting to the Marine HQ. If from Enie Lobby you had to cross the Calm Belt to reach it, maybe it is not actually in the Grand Line itself. And if it is, the Marines were probably equipted with eternal post and can get there quicker and safer.
What lies behind the Gate of Justice is not the Calm Belt it is a sea area similar to the conditions in the Calm Belt. That´s what Cocoro said.
As for Krieg, from my understanding, Mihawk destroyed half his fleet. But at Baratie only one ship left. What happen to the others. My theory is Krieg used them as bait or shield from the Sea Kings so that he could escape through the calm belt (just barely). From what we know, he is despicable enough to do so.
Nice theory. I like it actually but the problem we have is that Gin said that Mihawk would also have destroyed the flag ship if the storm wouldn´t have appeared. Hmm, but then again it doesn´t mean that the flag ship was the last one Mihawk left. It could also mean that Mihawk it just was the next on his list with the rest to come afterwards. Interesting point you raise here NagaKarat. 
