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    • tony-kun
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      I think they want to get to raftel, I also think Gol D. Roger wasnt named the pirate king for being a pirate necesarily, but he found the true history and hid it with one piece. What leaves me to believe this is in skypiea, didnt what he wrote say something like "i left the true block(poneglyph) on that island"

      I also think he turned himself in, but in doing so, he requested a public execution, during his execution, he told everyone about his treasure "one piece". So really his execution was to get his message out and get others to find the secrets he discovered. He probobly did this due to the extent the WG would have gone to contain this knowledge, they destroyed an island, so if he published his discoveries, they would be destroyed along with people, so he wants strong, detrmined people to share his discoveries with, and also doesnt want the WG to get its hands on it, so he hides it in Raftel, one piece is not a treasure, but something to do with th civilization.

      this brings me to why the WG wants to get pluton. No one so far has gotten to raftel except for Gol D. Roger. no one in the WG is powerful enough, so they want pluton to go to raftel and destroy "one piece" once and for all, if they do, the 100 blank years will be erased totally and their secret will be safe.

      The other way to keep their secret safe is by killing Robin, she is the only person who will ever be able to read poneglyphs(if she dies before teaching it), so if they kill her, even if you get to the rio poneglyph, its meaningless. So the WG doesnt want nico robin to resurrect the weapon, they just use that as an excuse to arrest her(the cant say, we want her dead cause she can find out our secret) but they are telling the truth, she can ressurect the weapon pluton, its in raftel. Gol D. Roger used pluton to get there in the first place. Tom built it for him. Gol D. Roger requested it to get there for all the stuff above. Tom trusted him, because he was, well, like luffy, in th way he asked him and spoke of his dream, the dream is a little to early to say(probobly protect this worlds history), tom possibly created pluton, but its a little early to say.(those blueprints looke very new, and were signed by tom, right?) ancient deadly weapon was probobly a lie started by the WG(I know im talking about conspiracies, but take robin for example, they said she destroyed 7 marine warships, they lie alot when it comes to the poneglyphs)
      The ship was probobly known as super dangerous, when it was able to get to raftel. and before you say it was named something else(I forget the name) Gol probobly pulled a luffy and said" Pluton?, I dont like it, Ill call it …...."

      So anyways, these are a bunch of thing I was thinking about during math class(boring as hell),

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        Interesting theory. However, Tom was accused of building the Oro Jackson for Gold Roger and I think that, considering what they did to Ohara, if Tom had built the legendary warship for Roger it would've been more like, kill him NOW than actually hold a trial for him. I do however agree with most of your other points including that one piece holds secrets to the lost century, however i do no think that gold roger got it and got to Raftel with Pluton.

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          @Power:

          Interesting theory. However, Tom was accused of building the Oro Jackson for Gold Roger and I think that, considering what they did to Ohara, if Tom had built the legendary warship for Roger it would've been more like, kill him NOW than actually hold a trial for him. I do however agree with most of your other points including that one piece holds secrets to the lost century, however i do no think that gold roger got it and got to Raftel with Pluton.

          Thats it tho, if you kill him, you cant get pluton, and you cant get to raftel. They held a trial to take him to the gates of justice, so that they could get any info about the ship from him. The gate of justice I have a feeling isnt just some way to kill people.

          I dont think anyone can get to raftel on strength alone, its not a power thing(if it was, aokiji could definetly go) you need a strong ship. If so, why didnt whitebeard go after gol died. they were about equal in strength.

          They only execute people on the spot if they dont need anything from them.
          Tom held one of the key things needed to get to raftel.

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            yes however before the attack of the battle frankies they seemed about to forgive him…and wg doesn't usually let go

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              thats why cp5 was sent, to retrieve the blueprints. If they can get what they want, and pardon a town hero to score bonus points with the people, why not. They failed, but got tom arrested in the process, they obviously got nothing from tom, but had nothing on Iceburg, so they were stuck.

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                I sugest you read Arabasta arc again.

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                  I think it's gonna become academic pretty soon. Becuase they're so close to Marine headquarters. here's what I think happens.
                  1: Luffy defeats Lucci, but gets captured and taken to Marine Headquarters
                  2: The rest of the SH's are either captured with him (unlikely) or sail after him to rescue him.
                  3: They bust up Marine headquarters, throwing the Navy into dissaray.
                  4: Dragon, Doflamingo and god knows who the hell all else takes this as a sign that the revolution is_now_, and everything gets all twisted up as a huge war breaks up.
                  5: I think that Dragon is gonna be as corrupt as the WG, when all is said and done.

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                    Who dosnt want Pluton? Its an extreamly powerful weapon so every nation in the world would be interested in it. But right now only the WG knows about the real existence (Franky and Iceburg also) and they have marked it dangerous and tries to getting their hands on it. If some pirate got it, they would be owned.

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                      @Indigo:

                      Who dosnt want Pluton? Its an extreamly powerful weapon so every nation in the world would be interested in it. But right now only the WG knows about the real existence (Franky and Iceburg also) and they have marked it dangerous and tries to getting their hands on it. If some pirate got it, they would be owned.

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                        The reason Crocodile knew of Pluton's existence was because he is a "Dog of the Kaigun" (And yes, that's a alliteration to FMA). As a WG operative pirate and a member of the Seven Armed Seas, Crocodile had access to sensitive information that most pirates don't.

                        Now, don't get me wrong. I'm sure Whitebeard, Shanks, and other high-end pirates know what Pluton is, but their desire to rule the world is minimal at best.

                        If Dragon cared about Pluton, he'd be the first person to find Robin and seize posession of her. But no, brute force is a Kaigun tactic (As evidenced in Robin's flashback). Dragon wants to send a message, but not using the same tactics of the enemy. That makes you no better than the cause you're trying to overthrow.

                        The Kaigun knows one tactic: Intimidation through sheer numbers and brute force. The pirate revolution that Dragon wants is a liberation of sorts: Revolt and resistance to ridiculously brutal tactics.

                        I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                          Im to sleapy to think of anything serious right now.
                          We do know that they simply want to end the age of pirates and a big invincible warship sure helps. :happy:
                          Or it could be that the just want to play battleship.👅

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                            Guys, you're overanalyzing this. The answer is simple. Sure it can destroy worlds, but it also makes bitchin' Smores.

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                              @Fire Fist:

                              The reason Crocodile knew of Pluton's existence was because he is a "Dog of the Kaigun" (And yes, that's a alliteration to FMA). As a WG operative pirate and a member of the Seven Armed Seas, Crocodile had access to sensitive information that most pirates don't.

                              Now, don't get me wrong. I'm sure Whitebeard, Shanks, and other high-end pirates know what Pluton is, but their desire to rule the world is minimal at best.

                              If Dragon cared about Pluton, he'd be the first person to find Robin and seize posession of her. But no, brute force is a Kaigun tactic (As evidenced in Robin's flashback). Dragon wants to send a message, but not using the same tactics of the enemy. That makes you no better than the cause you're trying to overthrow.

                              The Kaigun knows one tactic: Intimidation through sheer numbers and brute force. The pirate revolution that Dragon wants is a liberation of sorts: Revolt and resistance to ridiculously brutal tactics.

                              And I sugest you read the first post in this threat again.

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                                And I sugest you read the first post in this threat again.

                                Just tell us what we're missing instead of repeating everything over and over please

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                                  Didn't Lucci say, the Government wanted Pluton so they could put an end to the Great Pirate Age once and for all? or did i imagine that?

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                                    Just tell us what we're missing instead of repeating everything over and over please

                                    THE NEXT FACTS ARE ABOUT THE THEORY!!!!!:(Sorry joekido)

                                    1-It says that Tom built Pluton. Back in Arabasta, Cobra says to Robin that Arabasta has protected it's true story for centuries.

                                    2-It also says that Pluton is in Raftel and and that Gol D. Roger used it to reach Raftel. Despite that Pluton being in Raftel "can" be true, it's impossible that Roger used it.

                                    This information is in the Arabasta Arc.

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                                      1-It says that Tom built Pluton. Back in Arabasta, Cobra says to Robin that Arabasta has protected it's true story for centuries.

                                      2-It also says that Pluton is in Raftel and and that Gol D. Roger used it to reach Raftel. Despite that Pluton being in Raftel "can" be true, it's impossible that Roger used it.

                                      All this information is in Arabasta Arc so it can't hurt to read it.

                                      Oh, your making a theory, sorry about that. Anyway IMO I don't think Tom build it, maybe his ancestors did.

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                                        Frist you get all hissy about people not reading the Alabasta arc and clearly you don't really know anything. It never said that Tom build the Pulton, Tom did not build it at all. In Alabasta, it was metioned as a warship that can wipe out the island in one hit. All we know that the royal family kept it hidden for many centuries in Alabasta and it never said that Roger found it and took it to Raftel.

                                        We did not find out that in Water 7 arc, Pulton was build there many centuries ago and Tom did not build it. Tom build the Oro Jackson for Roger and the Oro Jackson is a differant ship, not Pulton.

                                        So stop being a wise-ass jerk okay? Get the facts right.

                                        I'm saying that Arabasta "holds" pluton somewhere, I know that pluton was made in water seven "centuries ago".
                                        So Tom couldn't possibly have builded it for Roger. (Well, he could with the blueprints but he wouldn't do it anyway).

                                        EDIT: It's clear that you read it though.

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                                          "YOU" get the facts right BECAUSE THAT'S ""EXACTLY"" WHAT I AM DEFENDING HERE!!!!!

                                          You were saying that Roger took the Pulton to Raftel and you said that we found out Tom build the Pulton during the Alabasta arc. You mixed up two arcs I'm afried.

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                                            @joekido:

                                            You were saying that Roger took the Pulton to Raftel and you said that we found out Tom build the Pulton during the Alabasta arc. You mixed up two arcs I'm afried.

                                            No I didn't.
                                            You just got it wrong. I said that Tom didn't build it and that it was in Arabasta for centuries.

                                            EDIT: HO CH***! I tiped that so wrong!!!! Sorry my bad.(goes edit as fast as he cans)

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                                              Ah don't worry about it. I'm glad you understand. Better edit out the "Stop being a wise-jerk" comment.

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                                                Im to sleapy to think of anything serious right now.
                                                We do know that they simply want to end the age of pirates and a big invincible warship sure helps. :happy:
                                                Or it could be that the just want to play battleship.👅

                                                Pluton versus pirates is like giving a sherrif a tank to chase down shoplifters.

                                                It would be riotously expensive to build and operate, and because of the limits on a single great ship's mobility, the pirates would be able to evade it or work elsewhere.

                                                Pluton is probably more valuable to keep the troops in line. You can't really use it to pursue a single crew, but if you dock it in front of a city and point the guns at it, you'll get a lot of compliance out of them,

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                                                  We dont know anythign about the ancient weapon, other than that i has the power to destroy an entire island. It might be steamed powered, or fusion powered ^_^ we dont know how advanced the lost civlization was.
                                                  The only fact we have is that it's gonna be scary 😞 and that they say it can end the great age of pirates with it alone… so we should respect that.

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                                                    @Cataclism:

                                                    THE NEXT FACTS ARE ABOUT THE THEORY!!!!!:(Sorry joekido)

                                                    1-It says that Tom built Pluton. Back in Arabasta, Cobra says to Robin that Arabasta has protected it's true story for centuries.

                                                    2-It also says that Pluton is in Raftel and and that Gol D. Roger used it to reach Raftel. Despite that Pluton being in Raftel "can" be true, it's impossible that Roger used it.

                                                    This information is in the Arabasta Arc.

                                                    no, cobra said they had been protecting the poneglyph for centurys. being that it is an illegal artifact. He recognized the word pluton possibly due to rumor(the same one croc heard) but he had no Idea what it actually said.

                                                    basically, my theory is that apparently u need more than strength to get to raftel, or aokiji could easily do it.(he can freeze the ocean)

                                                    and also, one ship to kill every pirate in the world, thats efficient. The WG is corrupt, but not stupid. The way the mean to "end the pirate age" is probobly to reach raftel and one piece before anyone else(as well as to destroy any evidence of the past)

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                                                      It's like a buster call made up of one ship

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                                                        Pluton versus pirates is like giving a sherrif a tank to chase down shoplifters.

                                                        It would be riotously expensive to build and operate, and because of the limits on a single great ship's mobility, the pirates would be able to evade it or work elsewhere.

                                                        Pluton is probably more valuable to keep the troops in line. You can't really use it to pursue a single crew, but if you dock it in front of a city and point the guns at it, you'll get a lot of compliance out of them,

                                                        We don't know how fast or how mobile it is. If it is indeed something like a modern battleship, then it's not depended on wind, as are all the ships we have seen until know in One Piece. If it has a nother power source and does not need sailes, then it's a major advantage, it could even cross the Calm Belt. Besides if the WG has the blueprints ho says the would build only one ship.

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                                                            I think it's gonna become academic pretty soon. Becuase they're so close to Marine headquarters. here's what I think happens.
                                                            1: Luffy defeats Lucci, but gets captured and taken to Marine Headquarters
                                                            2: The rest of the SH's are either captured with him (unlikely) or sail after him to rescue him.
                                                            3: They bust up Marine headquarters, throwing the Navy into dissaray.
                                                            4: Dragon, Doflamingo and god knows who the hell all else takes this as a sign that the revolution is_now_, and everything gets all twisted up as a huge war breaks up.
                                                            5: I think that Dragon is gonna be as corrupt as the WG, when all is said and done.

                                                            Voodzik, number 3 of your suggestions will definitely happen.

                                                            But numbers 1, 2 and 5 are also plausible. That would be such an Oda twist if Dragon were also found out to be corrupt…

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                                                              Pluton versus pirates is like giving a sherrif a tank to chase down shoplifters.

                                                              It would be riotously expensive to build and operate, and because of the limits on a single great ship's mobility, the pirates would be able to evade it or work elsewhere.

                                                              Pluton is probably more valuable to keep the troops in line. You can't really use it to pursue a single crew, but if you dock it in front of a city and point the guns at it, you'll get a lot of compliance out of them,

                                                              so why not just build a ship to look dangerous?

                                                              what I meant by the WG is not stupid, is that they will not use the pluton ship to destroy every pirate in the world due to its destructive force. they would destroy their people in the process. They have an alterior motive to wanting that ship, which is why I wrote my theory.

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                                                                Uh, I'm pretty sure they want to kill pirates.

                                                                the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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                                                                  so why not just build a ship to look dangerous?

                                                                  what I meant by the WG is not stupid, is that they will not use the pluton ship to destroy every pirate in the world due to its destructive force. they would destroy their people in the process. They have an alterior motive to wanting that ship, which is why I wrote my theory.

                                                                  The WG does stupid things, they always kill innocent people to get one criminal, they don't care about the people and they don't care if they kill an innocent people as long as they reach a criminal.

                                                                  Picture this:

                                                                  There is 100 people crowded togather, one of them is a criminal. The WG is like guys with long swords rushing to the crowd, instend of shoving innocent people out of the way, they would kill everyone in their way to reach the criminal. If the WG get the Pulton, they will not be careful with it; they will just blast every pirates and getting innocent people invouted, they would even blow up people that are not pirates!

                                                                  The WG are bloody-crazy.

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                                                                    The WG does stupid things, they always kill innocent people to get one criminal, they don't care about the people and they don't care if they kill an innocent people as long as they reach a criminal.

                                                                    Picture this:

                                                                    There is 100 people crowded togather, one of them is a criminal. The WG is like guys with long swords rushing to the crowd, instend of shoving innocent people out of the way, they would kill everyone in their way to reach the criminal. If the WG get the Pulton, they will not be careful with it; they will just blast every pirates and getting innocent people invouted, they would even blow up people that are not pirates!

                                                                    The WG are bloody-crazy.

                                                                    they only did that once in ohara, and that was because their secret had been discovered. When have they ever killed innocent people from command of the higher ups besides ohara?

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                                                                      Well, Morgan seems to take anything as dissent rather easily.

                                                                      If Pluton is massive and-or sophisticated, it's likely there'd be staffing limits. For comparison, say we built fifty new atomic submarines; we don't have 50 crews trained on them ready to go in all likelihood, so we'd have major lag-time before it would be worthwhile to build more than one or two which can be staffed immediately.

                                                                      And, still, any reasonably small number of ships can only be in a few places at once. Pirates have the mobility edge… they only have to be where the Plutons aren't.

                                                                      I'd actually think a far more valuable ship for attacking pirates directly would be a fleet of ships like the Monitor of the American Civil War. Smaller and cheaper, but also armoured to the point they can just wear pirates down, and not sail-powered so they had a mobility edge.

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                                                                        no, cobra said they had been protecting the poneglyph for centurys. being that it is an illegal artifact. He recognized the word pluton possibly due to rumor(the same one croc heard) but he had no Idea what it actually said.

                                                                        No, Cobra knows what pluton is and while he may not know how to read the poneglyph he knows that his family has been protecting it or its information for centuries. Pluton is probably somewhere in Alabasta. The reason why I said Cobra knew is 1) he recognize the word when Crocodile mentions it and 2) he asks Robin why doesn't she tells the truth on what stated on the Poneglyph instead of lying to Crocodile. That shows that he is aware what kind of information it suppose to hold.

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                                                                          I gotta re-read the episodes, but u maybe right. I hate the idea of backtracking, or vivi, pell, and igaram coming back to the strawhats…..on pluton.

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