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    • Malintex_Terek
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      This question has been bugging me forever!

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      What is the difference between and Axe Dial and an Impact Dial? Do they not roughly accomplish the same thing? In an RPG, I could understand a damage type difference (slashing damage v. blunt), but in a more realistic setting, it's still force.

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        axe dials could be used for cutting trees

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        • mazinkaiser
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          Axe dial= cutting , damage can spread in a line
          Impact dial = strong impact force , damage can spread circular, just like a pushing force with a large radius
          That's what I think

          ![](images/smilies/ipb/grin.png "Grin")Praise Oda for being our GOD![](images/smilies/ipb/grin.png "Grin")

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          • Paulie
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            A VERY sharp object will cut with very little force.

            The impact dial will absorb that and deal very little damage, since there isn't a lot of force.

            An axe dial will do a lot of damage because of the sharpness.

            ….I wonder if Sogeking's going to block one of Zoro or Kaku's swords with an axe dial... or maybe a rankyaku from Jabura..... hmm....

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              They never explained the powers of the axe dial. From the images, it seems to be able to cut things at short distance like a blade. There's no mention of range or if the dial needs to absorb energy in order to cut things.

              It is not an extinct dial (the entire God Militia used it), so I think Usopp will have at least one of them. I think he will use it in order to block attacks like Rankyaku, cut things as if it were a sword or, better yet, use it in Kabuto in order to throw a cutting star (his version of Rankyaku/Pound Cannon).

              Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                **impact is like a missle with a rounded end; in a sense. But usually it doesn't cause as much damage, as there aren't much people with the destructive force of a missle.

                Axe dial is like getting an extremley sharp blade and going at the oppenent at sonic speed.**

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                • Malintex_Terek
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                  That's what doesn't make sense. The Impact Dial doesn't do a little damage; it absorbs impact and sends the same amount of energy out. An impact dial could cause a gust of wind because it's sending the impact directly into air; hence, using the dial on a person's body transfers the energy through the skin into muscles.

                  That doesn't explain how the Axe Dial works, though. Like the Impact Dial, there's just one orifice, so I can't see how an Axe Dial could "cut" something without having to use it in a sweeping motion. It's going to be powered by the same energy/force as the Impact Dial.

                  A possibility is that release creates a different distribution, IE, if the Impact Dial releases a ball of energy, the Axe might release energy in the form of a crescent.

                  EDIT: Ahh, so it's like a bullet versus a kunai?

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                  • Deicide
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                    Here is an axe dial in action, by the way.

                    The page before that one also shows the militia using it and the damage it causes on a person.

                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                    • Malintex_Terek
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                      So, I was right. If we take a high-energy (absorbed a powerful move) Impact Dial and Axe Dial, and fired them into the air, the Impact Dial would result in something like a Coup de Vent (Franky) or a Gomu Gomu no Jet Punch (Luffy) type of attack. The Axe Dial would produce something simmilar to Rankyaku; a line/crescent of cutting energy. Both use the same fuel, but the distribution is different.

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                      • Deicide
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                        Yeah, you are right, but it is not clear if the axe dial needs to absorb energy in order to release it. They never explained the abilities of the axe dial in the manga.

                        Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                        • sgamer82
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                          True, but nearly every single dial we ever saw seemed to act as a storage device. Storing something for later use.

                          Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.

                          Statler: No you haven't.

                          Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!

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                          • Ivotas
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                            Huh? Where was it said that Axe dials and Impact dials use the same fuel? I don´t remember any scene where an axe dial was filled up with anything.

                            As sgamer already pointed it out correctly, each dial is a storage device for something. A tone dial can only be filled up with sound. You can´t fill it up if you try to hit it with a hammer (as Sanji did with an Impact dial).

                            And I think the same applies to axe dials. Since they don´t release impact powers it would be kinda silly for them to be able to store them. So just as with the Tone dial I don´t think a hammer strike can fill an Axe dial. You probable have to use stuff like swords, knives and axes to fill up an Axe dial. At least it would make sense that way.

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                              I think the key feature of Axe dials is that thet surpass defenses…like shields, armors, etc. Does the impact dial do the same? I know it causes internal damage, but if you possess some kind of external protection, is the damage the Impact causes directed to the protection iself or your body?

                              Sorry if that sounded confusing....and IMO, Usopp doesn't have any Axe dials unfortunately: he seemed to trade stuff only with Skipieans, and as one of God's soldiers says, the Axe dial is unknown in Skypiea....

                              He rode back and forth, left and right, like a spider's legs, and ended with a somersault. Truly he was a match for a thousand.

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                              • Malintex_Terek
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                                @Ivotas:

                                Huh? Where was it said that Axe dials and Impact dials use the same fuel? I don´t remember any scene where an axe dial was filled up with anything.

                                And I think the same applies to axe dials. Since they don´t release impact powers it would be kinda silly for them to be able to store them. So just as with the Tone dial I don´t think a hammer strike can fill an Axe dial. You probable have to use stuff like swords, knives and axes to fill up an Axe dial. At least it would make sense that way.

                                It's the same kinetic energy. Punching someone in the face or slicing them with a sword uses the same energy as running and jumping; it's contact force. Once absorbed by the dial, the energy becomes potential energy until released from the dial. I think the only difference between the dials are the shapes of the orificies; Impact dial has a "o" shaped opening, while the Axe Dial has a "l" shaped one.

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                                • Ivotas
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                                  @Malintex_Terek:

                                  It's the same kinetic energy. Punching someone in the face or slicing them with a sword uses the same energy as running and jumping; it's contact force. Once absorbed by the dial, the energy becomes potential energy until released from the dial. I think the only difference between the dials are the shapes of the orificies; Impact dial has a "o" shaped opening, while the Axe Dial has a "l" shaped one.

                                  Ahhhh, now I get where you´re coming from. Well scientifically you are definitely right. That can´t be argued. But since this is a fictional story with fictional items I think a fictional explenation works wonders. Tone dials store sound, Breath dials store gass, Impact dials store impacts and Axe dials store cuts.

                                  Scientifically it may not sound very coherent but in a fictional world it makes perfect sense.

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                                  • Deicide
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                                    Sounds weird to me to have a thing that stores cuts, but this is Oda, so it is possible.

                                    As a side note, anyone noticed that most of the times that a Impact Dial is used, he has not stored an impact first? Hattori, for example, uses Impact Dials three times in sequence, and Usopp uses it two times during the Davy Back Fight without recharging it. I don't know if this mean that the Dial can operate without being recharged (thus giving a lesser impact), if it can get several charges (or, if it gets a really powerful charge that goes beyond its maximum capacity, divide it in several uses) or if Oda was just not wanting to show how they were recharging the dial between uses.

                                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                    • sgamer82
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                                      Well, I'd imagine a Dial of any kind can store a certain amount and it releases that force either in increments or can be set in som eway by th euser.

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                                        Here is an axe dial in action, by the way.

                                        The page before that one also shows the militia using it and the damage it causes on a person.

                                        Hmm. It didn't seem to cut his arm in that pic. So the range is limited…

                                        Perhaps it's just air pressure of some kind?:huh:

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                                          Hmm. It didn't seem to cut his arm in that pic. So the range is limited…

                                          Or it is just that a severed arm is not something Oda is willing to show in his manga. Oda style has blood, but I've yet to see a meaningless mutilation (I know Shanks lost his arm, Zoro has a huge scar and Zeff ate his own leg, but these mutilations are far from being "meaningless").

                                          Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                            Or it is just that a severed arm is not something Oda is willing to show in his manga. Oda style has blood, but I've yet to see a meaningless mutilation (I know Shanks lost his arm, Zoro has a huge scar and Zeff ate his own leg, but these mutilations are far from being "meaningless").

                                            True, but that doesn't mean the range isn't part of it. Or maybe the user can control the range.

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                                              The range is short, I agree, but in that picture the dial cuts the shield, harm the arm (there's blood coming out of it) and finally slices the belly of the fighter. So, it is short, but not that short. My previous message was just saying that Oda is not the one that would draw a severed arm, so the arm in that picture just bleeds.

                                              Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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