I think we should keep the 4Kids Dub Discussion 2 and Kahn Interviews and other things separate. I know he's the main reason why OP got badly butchered, but in the other topic, we should just discuss the One Piece dub there only. Let's get started, shall we?
Ex. When Kahn thought that the "Do-Re-Mi" characters were "sexy". That was pretty bold of him to say that, since he's old.:blink:
That is old, but maybe we should find some new things going on at 4Kids.
Actually… This is a pretty good idea. This way the other topic won't go off-topic.
Anyways.... Yeah, after I heard him say that comment on reading... Kahn has ZERO respect in the eyes of alot of people. More so now than ever.
Everything was all for nothing
Anyways…. Yeah, after I heard him say that comment on reading... Kahn has ZERO respect in the eyes of alot of people. More so now than ever.
Shoot, even Ryan Drummond has no respect of 4Kids after he got kicked out of business for doing Sonic's voice in the games and being replaced by Jason Griffith(sp?), who does the Sonic voice in the Sonic X 4Kids cast. (This is SUP"A OLD NEWS) He something like said this, "4Kids is inconsiderate and cast it without me, not caring of what the fans think or about product continuity."
EDIT: Ryan Drummond said that. A lot of Sonic fans were furious after hearing that he got ditched. 4Kids better not grow any more brains on how to make even more people mad.
@Nicole:
Ex. When Kahn thought that the "Do-Re-Mi" characters were "sexy". That was pretty bold of him to say that, since he's old.:blink:
That brings me to one conclusion…ALFRED R. KAHN IS A PEDOPHILE
Here's the full speech of the "Kids don't read speech". It's full of crap…
"Um...How do I say this without becoming...I think that the um...right now that the trend that I believe is gonna happen and if you look in the next five or six years - is that we're seeing in the Japanese anime companies. They're looking for co-production partners. They're looking for people who help them localize a show in its inception and create something that has a much more global reach coming out of the market. One of the issues that happens in Japan sometimes is that you get a show that has a lot of Japanese culture built into it. And that culture is hard to translate in France, in Italy, in Spain, in Germany. So what we're seeing now, and especially with the anime...animators - TOEI, uh, especially - where we have a number of joint ventures, we're developing new shows. One of them called Chaotic, for instance, which will be coming out worldwide in September. Which is being produced and written in Japan, but the pre and post was done in the U.S., as opposed to the usually when the pre and post is done in Japan they do it the animation , we get it, we do the post. Now we're doing the pre and post, and we're using them to add the sensibility, the spin, the look. But the story arc or the idea is our idea and it's being done in conjunction with other Japanese companies. So I think that's going to be a process. Every Japanese company I know of is looking for joint venture partners to do that. The second part will be, I think...will be complete co-productions where the...even the intellectual propery is co-owned, which is a totally foreign Japanese concept. They don't wanna give you any copyright, yet all the properties we're currently involved with are co-copyright holders. We own them in perpetuity - we won't go through another Pokemon experience - and, y'know, we will end up working more colla...more collaboratively with the Japanese to create something that can spin out for a long time.
My manga comment is...I think manga is a problem. It's a problem because we're in a culture that is not a reading culture. The kids today don't read. They never...they read less today. Every survey...they're watching more television, they're on the Internet more; and that content, although being king, is very disposable. Because the way content gets put out now, it's going to be put out free. More and more content will be available for free. You'll go to the Internet, you'll be able to download as many...we're-we're streaming most of our shows. The reason why we're streaming them: we want kids to watch them as much as they can so they get invested in a concept and go out and buy products. The products ain't free. The content is going to be free. And manga, in my mind, is trying to put a square...um...y'know, a square peg into a round hole in the United States. It will never be a big deal here. For kids that are into the computer, or the Internet generation. They're not going to read. They haven't read, so they're not gonna start now."
Hmmf! Watta blowhard. This guy can't be sane.
Everything was all for nothing
Wow…That IS full of crap...
The last speech alone is worth it's own thread.
Does anyone have a MPG file of that speech? I just have to hear it.
THIS IS TRUE LUNACY!
Obviously Al Kahn has lost possession of his Yiddish Cup!
There's multiple jokes in the above two lines. Both lines are quotes from Neil Bauman's letters to YTMND only the Al Kahn part was Max Goldberg. Al Kahn is also Jewish.
"They haven't read…they're not going to read now".
Wow, how inspirational. I think schools should stop book reports and just have kids do movie reports instead.
There's no such thing as a "non-reading culture". Kids won't read when they're bombarded with so much low-attention span, brainless entertertainment. Kids who don't learn the joy of reading are really shortchanged.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
"And manga, in my mind, is trying to put a square…um...y'know, a square peg into a round hole in the United States. It will never be a big deal here."
Riiiiiight. His opinion has NOTHING to do with the fact that his company doesn't make any sort of manga. Nope, nothing at all.
And I love how he passively says kids are stupid when he made that comment about kids today don't read.
Oh man, put him with Jack Thompson in a studio with cameras and let them say what they want. You will get the funniest stuff in the history of man.
Yeah Cosmic, why don't we have movie reports now. In fact, why don't we get rid of English, History, and Literature. Why don't we burn Shakesphere since after all we have Leonardo "The wussy" Dicaprio to tell us the tale of a love that can't be.
Why don't we burn mystery novels as well? We sure as hell don't want our kids to get smarter by solving the case of the hanged corpse in the Roller Rink.
But in all seriousness. Kahn doesn't think. He works with a company whose main source of income is manga and he's giving them a big F U.
http://ia300224.us.archive.org/2/items/MangaCastNYCCICv2Manga_0/ICv2Manga.mp3
And here's the link to the convention, and Kahn's speech. He starts talking about in the middle… But be warned... It's long.
EDIT: Hahaha... Listening to it... Kahn KNOWS that people always complain about how he handles anime. How he "destroys" them.
...But he's in the buissness to make a quick buck. That's what he said.
EDIT: Wow... I just heard the whole thing... Kahn's a freaking joke. XD I swear on my life... Everyone was laughing at his stupid ideals.
One of the Viz represetatives quickly answered that, reading is a good medium. But of course, Kahn didn't agree.
He said... "We're a company that's into the electronic age. We don't care about print".
That's what he said. Watta loser. He just dropped the bomb.
Also, when he was talking about popular anime here (One Piece was one of 'em) he pronounced "Naruto" as "NaruTU". XD
wow. that is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. I really wish someone would replace him or something…. how many people or whatever does he have backing him up? from what i can see, it seems like he's the only one with the problem, but what about the company in general?
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Darn! My computer won't let me listen to the conversation. >.< Tell me all the lies and misleads he said.
EDIT: Just by reading RomanGod's advice, Kahn is a tech-freak. Like what Sonique said back in the other topic, he probably doesn't know HOW to read. Reading is important in life, and that's that!
yargh does anyone have that speech in mp3 grrr.
_ Originally Posted by mr.allsunday
Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
Oh man, I just listened to the part where Kahn spoke! 
And yeah, it sounded like everyone else at that panel thought it those were some pretty stupid comments as well.
Does anyone know what was being said after Liza Cappola (Viz representative) after she talk about their partnership with the Read for America literacy campaign? Cause it sounded like there was a bit of a debate starting, and a whle lotta laughter!
"Mr. Khan, this is Ms. J. K. Rowling. She has something she'd like to say to you…"
You're site may hold the key to victory, Sonique. It ain't just One Piece that needs saving… the future of quality anime dubs is on the line!
I'm seriously thinking of starting a petition petition… a real one, not an online one. Where I go door to door, say some of the stuff Al Kahn has said and ask them to sign if they disagree... problem is I don't think it'd help One Piece at all
_For with a closing door, another surely opens
Just you wait and see,
And when you look back on where we've been together
Wherever you may be
I hope that you remember me_
@Sonique:
I'm seriously thinking of starting a petition petition… a real one, not an online one. Where I go door to door, say some of the stuff Al Kahn has said and ask them to sign if they disagree... problem is I don't think it'd help One Piece at all
How could it not, if you're instigating and spreading displeasure over the company that handles One Piece. The public is a powerful force.
Yes, a petition COULD help… possibly...
Oh, and I am writing a letter, I just haven't quite gotten to it yet. -_O
Perhaps this a way to "advertise" this to a wider audience?
"Mr. Khan, this is Ms. J. K. Rowling. She has something she'd like to say to you…"
That was said? Seriously? (The sound quality really does start to go down after that so I could'nt really tell)
That was said? Seriously? (The sound quality really does start to go down after that so I could'nt really tell)
Nah. That was a joke.
That is the biggest B.S. I ever read in my life. I'm sorry if I sound rude when I say this, Kahn is the biggest idoit in the world in my opinion.
Yes, it was a joke I just fathomed up. :p
What's this? I go to bed and something big happens while I slumber? Did Kahn give another speech?
Can anybody tell me when our boy starts talking? I don't feel like sitting through the whole thing.
The original article:http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6310451.html?text=manga
(from RomanGod)
"Um…How do I say this without becoming...I think that the um...right now that the trend that I believe is gonna happen and if you look in the next five or six years - is that we're seeing in the Japanese anime companies. They're looking for co-production partners. They're looking for people who help them localize a show in its inception and create something that has a much more global reach coming out of the market. One of the issues that happens in Japan sometimes is that you get a show that has a lot of Japanese culture built into it. And that culture is hard to translate in France, in Italy, in Spain, in Germany. So what we're seeing now, and especially with the anime...animators - TOEI, uh, especially - where we have a number of joint ventures, we're developing new shows. One of them called Chaotic, for instance, which will be coming out worldwide in September. Which is being produced and written in Japan, but the pre and post was done in the U.S., as opposed to the usually when the pre and post is done in Japan they do it the animation , we get it, we do the post. Now we're doing the pre and post, and we're using them to add the sensibility, the spin, the look. But the story arc or the idea is our idea and it's being done in conjunction with other Japanese companies. So I think that's going to be a process. Every Japanese company I know of is looking for joint venture partners to do that. The second part will be, I think...will be complete co-productions where the...even the intellectual propery is co-owned, which is a totally foreign Japanese concept. They don't wanna give you any copyright, yet all the properties we're currently involved with are co-copyright holders. We own them in perpetuity - we won't go through another Pokemon experience - and, y'know, we will end up working more colla...more collaboratively with the Japanese to create something that can spin out for a long time.
My manga comment is...I think manga is a problem. It's a problem because we're in a culture that is not a reading culture. The kids today don't read. They never...they read less today. Every survey...they're watching more television, they're on the Internet more; and that content, although being king, is very disposable. Because the way content gets put out now, it's going to be put out free. More and more content will be available for free. You'll go to the Internet, you'll be able to download as many...we're-we're streaming most of our shows. The reason why we're streaming them: we want kids to watch them as much as they can so they get invested in a concept and go out and buy products. The products ain't free. The content is going to be free. And manga, in my mind, is trying to put a square...um...y'know, a square peg into a round hole in the United States. It will never be a big deal here. For kids that are into the computer, or the Internet generation. They're not going to read. They haven't read, so they're not gonna start now."
Here's the full speech of the "Kids don't read speech". It's full of crap…
"Um...How do I say this without becoming...I think that the um...right now that the trend that I believe is gonna happen and if you look in the next five or six years - is that we're seeing in the Japanese anime companies. They're looking for co-production partners. They're looking for people who help them localize a show in its inception and create something that has a much more global reach coming out of the market. One of the issues that happens in Japan sometimes is that you get a show that has a lot of Japanese culture built into it. And that culture is hard to translate in France, in Italy, in Spain, in Germany. So what we're seeing now, and especially with the anime...animators - TOEI, uh, especially - where we have a number of joint ventures, we're developing new shows. One of them called Chaotic, for instance, which will be coming out worldwide in September. Which is being produced and written in Japan, but the pre and post was done in the U.S., as opposed to the usually when the pre and post is done in Japan they do it the animation , we get it, we do the post. Now we're doing the pre and post, and we're using them to add the sensibility, the spin, the look. But the story arc or the idea is our idea and it's being done in conjunction with other Japanese companies. So I think that's going to be a process. Every Japanese company I know of is looking for joint venture partners to do that. The second part will be, I think...will be complete co-productions where the...even the intellectual propery is co-owned, which is a totally foreign Japanese concept. They don't wanna give you any copyright, yet all the properties we're currently involved with are co-copyright holders. We own them in perpetuity - we won't go through another Pokemon experience - and, y'know, we will end up working more colla...more collaboratively with the Japanese to create something that can spin out for a long time.
My manga comment is...I think manga is a problem. It's a problem because we're in a culture that is not a reading culture. The kids today don't read. They never...they read less today. Every survey...they're watching more television, they're on the Internet more; and that content, although being king, is very disposable. Because the way content gets put out now, it's going to be put out free. More and more content will be available for free. You'll go to the Internet, you'll be able to download as many...we're-we're streaming most of our shows. The reason why we're streaming them: we want kids to watch them as much as they can so they get invested in a concept and go out and buy products. The products ain't free. The content is going to be free. And manga, in my mind, is trying to put a square...um...y'know, a square peg into a round hole in the United States. It will never be a big deal here. For kids that are into the computer, or the Internet generation. They're not going to read. They haven't read, so they're not gonna start now."
Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. This guy reminds me of my idiotic dad, reading this interview makes me so mad I just want to tie him up and throw him in the ocean. How dare he insult kids like that, if I was a parent I'll want to sue him. Kids can read, they are not stupid and Khen does not know what's he talking about. Khen is nothing but a selfish blowhard that does not know what the fans are thinking and where his compeny are heading into. What an pitiful idiot, who made him the boss anyway.
Someone need to sent him to offical reading poll of children to prove his prideful ideaology wrong
Did you have to quote all of it?
That is the biggest B.S. I ever read in my life. I'm sorry if I sound rude when I say this, Kahn is the biggest idoit in the world in my opinion.
Don't worry Sano, After this, I think everyone has the right to refer to Kahn as a complete douchebag.
If anyone have any hair of this man, send it to
VOODOO TO SAVE THE ANIME
My direction
Far, far away
And i´ll make sure that Kahn will never worry us…again:evil: :evil:
Waiting for a signature that is worth to see…
Man, 4Kids sure has balls.
I know people overeact but this is serious. Kahn is fucking scum, he is a low life piece of shit. I'm not saying this because "OMG he RUiNed onE pIECe," he fucking says kids are stupid, making these assumptions, and wanting nothing more than money in his pocket. What a scumbag.
Around what time does he start to speak? I'm not going to sit through the whole hour.
Around what time does he start to speak? I'm not going to sit through the whole hour.
The only thing I can say is he starts talking towards the middle, for the most part.
Another inconsiderate thing he said was that the creators of their show (Ninja Turtles) were two drunkies.
He was basically saying that anyone can make a good show.
Found it. About 36:30. Thanks.
From the looks of things, the manga companies are putting their feet down. They've catered to whiny otaku about importing manga, having to bite the bullet by keeping things as "authentic" as possible, and now they're sick of taking profit losses and want to rake in serious revenue.
Viz acknowledeged it screwed up. I can tell by the tidbit, "manga does better with a concurrent anime" (paraphrase). They're taking losses with the OP manga, and though kept secret for a long time, the poor sales are finally leaking into the pubic eye.
Tokyopop's efforts at American-Manga are more cost-cutting strategies. Basically, they're logic is that if Subject A does well, and Subject B does well, taking the best aspects of Subject A and Subject B should result in more revenue overall with the least investment. That way, we need not buy the rights to Subject A or Subject B. American Manga is cheaper than licensing Japanese manga, it's available and, in Tokyopop's opinion, has the potential to start a new home-made revolution that should supersede Japanese anime/manga.
The same goes for our current Anime-ripoff movies with stupid American "essential" plot features (like taking a show and putting in a "hot" female lead who shags before the movie ends) and distorting the stories to add in more action. Companies do not understand why Anime is popular, so they feel they can do it better; therefore, American consumers are stupid for not liking the "better" material.
I'm surprised Del Ray was there, though. They might suck somewhat as a translation company, but they're biggest trait is that they're willing to improve and fix their errors, unlike Viz who has grown so large it's too chicken-livered to fix mistakes (Tetsuaiga, Zoro in the character bios, art edits).
Another inconsiderate thing he said was that the creators of their show (Ninja Turtles) were two drunkies.
He was basically saying that anyone can make a good show.
OK, now I'm really mad. Now he's insulting my childhood heroes. You'd think he'd have a little more respect for two guys who worked their butts off to create one of the most successful fanchises ever. You have to come up with the IDEA. And ILLUSTRATE and WRITE. Which requires reading. None of which Kahn obviously has any clue about.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
So the OP manga has bad sales?
OK, now I'm really mad. Now he's insulting my childhood heroes.
I think we should find a way to send them and E-mail, don't you think?
Who, 4kids or Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird?
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
Who, 4kids or Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird?
Eastman and Laird. Not sure what it will do, but it couldn't hurt.
Edit: About 28 mins in is the line about them being drunks.
Eastman and Laird. Not sure what it will do, but it couldn't hurt.
Edit: About 28 mins in is the line about them being drunks.
They may just laugh about it. But it sure would be funny if all of a sudden all kinds of people started getting pissed off at 4Kids.
So the OP manga has bad sales?
We do not have numbers, but there's some feedback from Viz employees. Yes, OP isn't doing too well, and not in comparison to Naruto & Bleach; it's just not selling well at all.
I love it when Kahn embarasses himself.
Credit goes to http://mizuho.zapchu.com/quiz.htm for my avatar.
BTW, I just have to ask…does Kahn even KNOW that TMNT started as a COMIC BOOK? That US kids had to READ in order for it to become as popular as it did? And in the beginning it was completely written and illustrated by the two drunkies?
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
BTW, I just have to ask…does Kahn even KNOW that TMNT started as a COMIC BOOK? That US kids had to READ in order for it to become as popular as it did? And in the beginning it was completely written and illustrated by the two drunkies?
That's exactly why I want Eastman and Larid to know. They created what Kahn is currenty airing, and he has the balls to disrespect them.
Okay I laughed when he was talking about how he had to take out smoking, drinking, something else then he said "…all the good stuff..."
He also mentioned hate mail he gets.. so I guess stuff DOES get though to him... yay
