Ok Tell me what u think about this, Usopp is going to use the jet dials to simulate/increase the speed of himself to keep up with the Cp9's speed and Luffy's new speed too. He has the jet dials so i think he will use those on his shoes and increase his speed so he can keep up with his opponent. (Jyabura is who i believe he is facing..)
Put in your views.
Jyrabura is the third strongest fighter at cp9, if you look at their douriki and he can control his devil fruit power unlike kaku. Without help from Zoro he would loose even with jet-dial-speed.
He might use impact-dials as well, to absorb Jyraburas powerful attacks without taking any damage, and then attack with the same amout of power.
i doubt that he is able to use a reject-dial… but maybe he can absorb the backlash of a reject-dial with another one... he is a tricky guy... and Jyabura wouldn't expect that power...
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well, i don't think Usopp himself can in any way harm CP9ers, not with their Tekkai etc. Knowing his style, however, he would probably device some way to circumvent their strenghts and do some damage.
I think I remember from Skypea that one of the dials did damage to the inside of the body, not the surface. Was that reject or impact? It sounds like a very nice way to defeat Tekkai besides simply blasting through it, which Usopp isn't likely to be able to do.
No question asked, Usopp could handle Jyabura's ass into the next dimension. Jyabura will have a sorry life without the ass… yep, yep.
I think Usopp will do fine. He's been a lot stronger this arc overall, and he's got a whole new arsenal too. That said, I like the idea of jet dial letting him keep up with Soryu.
Jyrabura is the third strongest fighter at cp9, if you look at their douriki and he can control his devil fruit power unlike kaku. Without help from Zoro he would loose even with jet-dial-speed.
Where's the Usopp love? :-(
The true question is how can Nami take down a CP9?
Remember, her power comes from Usopp's genius.
And stop dissin on Usopp! He is like Batman. And we all know Batman can hang with the super powered heros.
Nami should do fine against Kumadori.
Why? Easy, because though Zoro isn't a samurai, he displays many traits of one. Having been around Zoro for about two-three months now, she probably has a good grasp of how Kumadori's moves will work.
However, I do think Chopper will join in her fight. Chopper hasn't been given an opponent yet, so it'll probably be Nami + Chopper vs. Fumadori.
Usopp's gonna be just fine. He can use Kabuto to set Jyabura on fire, forcing him to revert to his human form. Then Zoro will probably slash through Jyabura's Tekkai, and Usopp will finish him off with the Five-ton Impact Hammer.
As For Kaku, he'll probably wake up after they defeat Jyabura and attack Zoro and Usopp, but Usopp will create a cage from stuff in his bag and trap Kaku.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
Usopp is going to kick Jabura's ass so hard he won't be able to sit down for a long time. That's all I have to say.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
Well, I'm quite sure if Usopp uses impact dials and hits Jyabura with tobasco sauce on his eyes, Usopp's gonna win, lol.
I think Chopper will help out Franky, since he has one/half a bottle of coke left. He can't take on a CP9 like that.
Zoro will not help Usopp, at least i hope not. I think Zoro will ask "Sogeking" if he should help him. But Sogeking will say something like, a brave warrior does not need help. Usopp will beat the shit out of Jyabura. He needs to prove to himself that he can defeat strong oponents. Besides he does not know that Jyabura is the third strongest of the CP9
Usopp didn't come all this way for some half-assed battle, that's all I can say. I don't like how people are so stuck on the "douriki" thing, as if that's really going to mean much in the end. Strawhats don't fight with douriki, they fight with a "spear".
Usopp will kick that guy's ass.
I….kinda doubt it. I mean, it's almost certain he'll get a victory, but sensibly? Blueno hit Tileston so hard that he was nearly crushed. Jabura's gotta be a better hitter, and Usopp….is no mountain. Taking two or three hits for someone with that power and speed, and then winning....
But I do have faith Oda would find a way to make it work. Besides that sensitive dog-nose thing, that'd be extremely corny after one use.
@Fire Fist:
Nami should do fine against Kumadori.
Why? Easy, because though Zoro isn't a samurai, he displays many traits of one. Having been around Zoro for about two-three months now, she probably has a good grasp of how Kumadori's moves will work.
Uh, not really. They actually have very different mindsets, if that's what you were thinking. A staff user being similar to a three sword-user skill wise is….kinda weird.
Oh, and yeah, because it popped up: to hell with douriki.
I keep thinking about how many hidden weapons Usopp now has. If you read Skypiea again, there's a lot of Dials (shown, barelly shown, mentioned or even neither) that we can be sure he will have, plus his wild array of unconventional weapons. He could use exotic things beyond the Impact-, Flash-, Breathe- or Sound-dial, like Axe-, Iron Cloud-, Cloud Wire-, Image-, Swamp Cloud-, Flame-, Heat-dial and many others. Not only he has many powerful dials, but the way that he may combine them into weapons make him totally unpredictable and really dangerous. I see him now as having a combination of all priests' weapons.
(Besides, I don't get why so many people think Usopp can't handle himself, but do not mind Nami getting a fight. Her weapon is made by Usopp. It is true that she found uses for the weapon that go even beyond Usopp's original ideas, but still he was the maker of her weapon).
In my opinion Usopp should be able to handle Jyabura on his own. From what I learn from past Usopp's fights, he always have stragey in a way to defeat his enemy. Plus now he have all those dials, he got from Skypiea, so those will end up helping him out to reduce some of his damage, and he probely end up using the Impact, and Reject dials to help him in some point in battle.
Well, i'm guessing that probably Zoro and Usopp will fight together… with Usopp's mastermind approach and Zoro's overt brute techniques, i'm sure they will dominate against Jyabura and Kaku.
If Usopp DID fight alone... then i'm guessing that as long as he has enough endurance he will eventually be able to trap that wolf. (err, or whatever he is...) Although he will probably end up in a very critical condition... seeing as Usopp was never the physical type of guy.
Did you see his new star? The Firbird star? He may have another creative stars or he may have creative weapeons that we never seen before and there is the reason why Oda paired Usopp against Jabura desprited the dourika. If we want Usopp to rejoin the crew, he has to prove that he won't be a buren to the crew anymore by handling strong enimies himself
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@joekido:
If we want Usopp to rejoin the crew, he has to prove that he won't be a buren to the crew anymore by handling strong enimies himself
No, not in my opinion. There are other ways to prove your companionship than being uber-strong or something.
Although it doesn't make me want him to win any less. SogeKing ftw.
I wouldn't use the word "handle" since that is way over Usopp's abilities…
I understand where you're going at joekido, but i dont think Oda ever intended Usopp to be able to compulse the situation as well as you said he should. It just wouldn't fit Usopp's personality. I'd say Usopp might just win out of fluke. I've never taken Usopp's fights too seriously. They usually breaks the ice in intensive situations because he makes me laugh my ass off. I think Oda meant Usopp to be an asset but mainly just outside of all the fights.
Usopp is going to leave this fight victorious, though bloody and broken. True, he has a lot of new weapons, but apparently only one Impact Dial (which could get broken if Jyabura is powerful enough) and a bunch of other dials which, though cool, do not seem effective.
What exactly differentiates an Impact Dial from an Axe Dial, anyway?
As Buccanner said, Usopp can't take more than a few hits from Jyabura. I would imagine an absorbed Shigan in an Impact Dial, if directed into Jyabura's skull, could incite victory. We can't be sure.
Usopp can not be as "badass" as Zoro or Sanji in battle, but his battle´s are VERY enjoyable, and often with a comical twist, wich i like, and Usopp is a character that is constantly evolving, not just in battle-abilities, but also his personality and courage, and people may think that this and that "are not Usopp" and out of character, but that is all wrong, Who said he can´t change? A cowardly young man who plays pirate everyday with his friends all day long grows on his journey into a brave and respectable pirate, can it be more excellent than that? this is a road Usopp must take, he must evolve, his dream must be fullfilled, to be a strong… warrior of the sea.
If anything, I think Usopp will handle Jyabura by himself, and Zoro will be eyewitness proof to the rest of the strawhats that Usopp can handle himself.
usopp will use the reject dial i can almost guarantee it. waiper probably gave it to him and we will probably see some flashback of him giving it to usopp. usopp will use it even though it will probably break several of his bones. remember that usopp always takes alot of damage in his fights so i wouldn't expect any less in this fight against his toughest opponent ever. i don't understand why people say usopp isn't strong enough to handle it considering he took a really heavy metal bat to the face at full speed that shattered his skull and took several bomb's. i can easily see usopp having to use the reject dial twice against jyabura and maybe once the impact dial will take the damage but usopp will use it with out the help of the impact dial. he just has to do it just to show off how much of a badass he has become. remember that all of the strawhats are going to have to evolve their fighting since it's going to get much, much tougher from here on out since the world goverment is going to want their heads and many tough opponents will also want a piece of them like the blackbeard pirates.
True, he has a lot of new weapons, but apparently only one Impact Dial (which could get broken if Jyabura is powerful enough) and a bunch of other dials which, though cool, do not seem effective.
Terek, I don't know what essays you wrote on this, but Oda's never shown an Impact Dial that breaks because it overloads.
Of course Usopp is going to beat the living daylights out of Jyabura. I think by the end of the fight, though, the SogeKing mask will come off and Usopp will be fighting as good old Usopp, and kicking some major ass while at it. He'll be pretty bloody, battered, and injured by the end of it, but he's a freaking tank and well, isn't every Straw Hat bloody, battered, and injured by the end of their fights, too?
Usopp has a bunch of new moves. These moves are NOT simply using dials. He's using them to create new and innovative attacks; look at the bloody firebird, and I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceburg.
I don't see why he needs anything else. We're going to be seeing a lot of badass new moves, and possibly a few funny ones, but this fight won't be any less impressive than the usual fighters' affair.
one bad ass move i'd like to see is him combine impact and a breath dial and somehow be able to send the shock of the impact dial from long range. that would truly make him a sniper to be feared.
Terek, I don't know what essays you wrote on this, but Oda's never shown an Impact Dial that breaks because it overloads.
No, that was speculation; I didn't read anything of it. I just think it's logical, really; Oda did mention there's a limit to how much an impact dial can absorb, and assuming Jyabura's Shigan is on par with Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Jet Pistol, I wouldn't be surprised if someone like him could do it. Imagine, though; it's the kind of plot point that would force Usopp development more than ever before. He would be relying on a tool like the Impact Dial, rather than his skills as a sniper, and when it breaks, he has nothing left to rely on except his own power.
I say this because Usopp could possibly win against any CP9 agent provided he blocks their moves with the Impact Dial.
I don't know about reject dial, it's certainly possible, but I can't see how anyone could be so certain when there hasn't been any indication that he has it.
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Dude, it's the great Captain Usopp.
Jyabura's dead but he doesn't even know it.
Serious version: Possibly a reject dial, though I doubt that'd be enough to end Jyabura. Hopefully, we'll see a cool combos like in all his pre-Sky Piea fights + vs. Luffy fight.
Remember people, it's Oda we're talking about.
"Hmm, gotta be a Monkey Fruit!"
GIRAFFE.
I don't think it'll be as predictable as, say, Reject (which I doubt he has) or Impact.
It may just be me but I think the whole Usopp scenario from the begining of the ark was part of Oda's plan to make him stronger. He couldn't help Luffy Zoro or Sanji much in the Desert or Spypiea so this is to let him be on par with them.
Don't underestimate the strength of the Kabuto. Ussop's going to whoop ass.
The Reject Dial would be pretty lame. I was glad that Usopp didn't take it; really, if Usopp can harm Jyabura with a normal Impact, I don't see why he would need to do ten times that to defeat him. We've already experienced someone's torture at trying to use the Reject Dial so many times (Wiper), so watching Usopp do the same would be redundant.
Like I said, there's too many different dials that Usopp could use.
Oda is crazy enough to come with unique strategies… he could use Cloud Wire to trap or trip his opponent, or Axe Dial to make the roof fall over the enemy. The point is that Usopp will not only use the dial itself: he probably will have weapons made with dials in order to get unique attacks. I really will not try to think how Usopp can manage his fight, because Oda will have solutions that are a hundred times better than anything I can imagine.
So, about the Reject, I can see Usopp having it. However, I don't think he will ever use it like Waipa/Viper did. He will probably create a ranged reject attack or something similar.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
The only difference between Jyabura & Kaku is 20 Doriki, so even if Soge & Zoro switch, Sogeking will still have a hard time.
I can only think of one thing in Sogeking's fight against Jyabura: It'll be hilarious- Sogeking will use some of his gimmicks that end up with Jyabura going -_-;, but eventually Sogeking will kick his ass with his 'HISSATSU~ CHOU 500 POUND HAMMER!' or something like that.
Dude, its obvious that Jyabura is supersticious….Usopp is the master of lies, "I have 8000 soldiers and whatnot and some devil from a devil fruit or something..." like that, but good. But for a sneak attack, i think usopp will use the tone dial for a creepy voice and...well...i just expect a lot of comedy in the fight...
In My Oppinon, Usopp WILL win this fight and he'll do it without Help. My guess is the dials will come into play heavily as will his lies.
if he doesnt win, and do it alone, then I'll be disappointed. Usopp needs Character Development, if he doesnt do something to boost his confedence then he wont come back to the Mugiwaras
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What exactly differentiates an Impact Dial from an Axe Dial, anyway?
Axe Dials make cuts (like an axe if you like). Impact dials are just like super strong hits (impacts if you like). Don´t know how else to explain it. :sad:
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I think it's debatable how many dials Usopp took from Skypiea, based on what he chose to use when he fought against Luffy. For instance, if he had an Axe dial or a (the?) Reject dial, why wouldn't he have used either of them in the duel? They would have both been more effective against Luffy than Impact, and he would know that. One could argue that he truly wasn't going all-out against Luffy, but I got the impression that he was.
I'm quite sure he has a reject dial some way or the other. Why? Well, it was introduced into the story to so far only have a short screen time, and while claiming to have 10 times the power of the impact dial, which is already hellish. Such a badass weapon MUST make a reappearance.
I think it's debatable how many dials Usopp took from Skypiea, based on what he chose to use when he fought against Luffy. For instance, if he had an Axe dial or a (the?) Reject dial, why wouldn't he have used either of them in the duel? They would have both been more effective against Luffy than Impact, and he would know that. One could argue that he truly wasn't going all-out against Luffy, but I got the impression that he was.
Firstly, he didn't have the chance to. I think he was winded too fast. Secondly, he hadn't yet developed the weapon "Kabuto", or he would use it too, unless of course the point about him not going all out is correct, in which case we can use that simple argument for why he didn't use the godmod dials.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
Ussop could beat jyabura but it would be a long and painful battle and with the introduction of zoro whose known for losing a ship load of blood it definitely won't be easy.
I remember the cloud dials not working in the blue sea.
MY peronal belief is that Ussop found some way to be able to use the cloud dial.
I remember the cloud dials not working in the blue sea.
Cloud dials don't work yet. I think cloud dials are those who create clouds that you can ride (like the one Eneru used to create a cloud ball and sit over it). But iron cloud and others? We can't know for sure.
And I think the Perfect Climatact will have cloud dials. Nami can form clouds that the dial can use. It would be cool to see her riding a cloud before doing some ultimate move on Kumadori…
If one cloud doesn't work, I dunno how the others would. Maybe Usopp could find a way, but I wouldn't count on it.
I haven't read Skypeia yet (And I doubt I will being so freaking long….) so if anyone can point me in the direction of a list of dials there are, I think I can figure out how to make the whole Jyabura vs Sogeking thing work.
Thing is, both Impact and Reject dials cause a reverb. Now picture Sogeking using one to block a Shigan from Jyabura when he's in that wolf form. :blink: Ouch.
As for that sensitive dog nose theory, it doesn't have to be what defeats him. Just causes him to back off with his wolf form, making it human vs human.
That just leaves the rest of the Rokushiki that Jyabura has. Let's see.
Geppou: I have no idea how that could be countered, though you could probably just read the next comment about Soru.
Soru: I still think that Kabuto has some sort of homing missile version of Ussop's Gunpowder Star. That would give Jyabura a run for his life.
Tekkai: The ability makes the user's body hard as steel right? And what melts steel? Fire or rather, the Firebird Star. I doubt Tekkai can fend off damage from stuff like fire burns but then again, we've only really seen it being used to block physical blows.
Kami-e: Your guess is as good as mine.
Rankyaku: This could be the move that gives Soge trouble. Namely, most of his dials work better for close range, Rankyaku is a distance move. Of ocurse, Sogeking isn't exactly a close range fighter in the first place and for all we know, Jyabura probably won't use every move in the Rokushiki at all.
I really, REALLY wish people would get a clue about Ussop. He's capable to take on 3rd strongest. In his fight with Luffy, he set up a Breath Dial filled with gas then lit it with his Kaen Boshi. That would pretty much kill anyone. The only reason Luffy lived through that was because he's freaking invincible.
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Geppou: I have no idea how that could be countered, though you could probably just read the next comment about Soru.
I'm still unsure. I don't think Geppou has much use in a fight. Especially not against someone with long range.
Soru: I still think that Kabuto has some sort of homing missile version of Ussop's Gunpowder Star. That would give Jyabura a run for his life.
Usopp is pretty good at traps. Maybe something like Caltrop Hell?
Tekkai: The ability makes the user's body hard as steel right? And what melts steel? Fire or rather, the Firebird Star. I doubt Tekkai can fend off damage from stuff like fire burns but then again, we've only really seen it being used to block physical blows.
Fire can burn, but getting someone as fast as Jabura likely is with a big, burning firebird or anything would be extremely difficult. I still think the key is Impact. It's foreign, and can get by Tekkai. Hell, it was almost designed for this situation.
Kami-e: Your guess is as good as mine.
Usopp's a sharpshooter. He did nail Luffy's fist during the Gatling Gun.
Rankyaku: This could be the move that gives Soge trouble. Namely, most of his dials work better for close range, Rankyaku is a distance move. Of ocurse, Sogeking isn't exactly a close range fighter in the first place and for all we know, Jyabura probably won't use every move in the Rokushiki at all.
It's been reinforced that Rankyaku is a cutting wave, so yeah, if Usopp has an Axe Dial I'd go with that.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
How Usopp fights? By confusing, impairing and incapacitating his opponent.
My bets:
General Purpose: Smoke screens can allow Usopp to move unseen. Who needs high speed when the opponent cannot see (and predict) you?
Soru: Caltrop Hell, String Dial (if it works), other string-based attacks, slippery ground, some glue-based star… a lot of things could be used against Soru. Usopp would not be able to follow the speed, maybe, but he could make traps around him, making it hard for the enemy to move around, or making him trip at high speeds.
Tekkai: Somehow I think Usopp will make the enemy assume Tekkai in order to resist a series of blows, just so that he can hit Tabasco Star in his eyes while he is immobile and invulnerable. Also, there's Impact. And he could always throw a rotten egg at his opponent's face just to infuriate him.
Geppou: Like Buccaneer said, it is not a offensive move. Very useful to escape Usopp's traps, but you can't use it together with Soru (you need to kick the ground to use Soru), so the speed of the CP9 is impaired. And it makes you a moving target to Usopp's strength: ranged attacks.
Rankyaku: Hide, confuse, counter-attack. And I bet Axe Dial will counter it, or even be used to duplicate a Rankyaku. This is probably the most dangerous move (aside from Shigan) for Usopp, but since it is a ranged move, Usopp will probably dodge and counter it with his own ranged attacks.
Shigan: Now here's the danger. Obviously the Impact Dial can nullify the Shigan, but can Usopp block effectivelly all the attacks of his opponent. Shigan, however, requires close range combat, and I think Usopp will only allow his opponent to come close when he has no other choice.
And all that is not taking in account any new Usopp weapons or dial-enhanced attacks. Hell, it is Usopp: I would not be surprised if he has a ton of new dial-enhanced weapons in his pockets. Almost all of our ideas come from naked, non-enhanced dials and old Usopp tricks. He sure has all four aces in his sleeves in this fight.
 
