Don´t worry, I was just pointing out where the Lysop comes from.
Chapter 401 "Pirates vs. CP9" Discussion
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But I do try to use the more common names here. In Brazil Luffy is Ruffy, for instance. I call him Luffy him,
thats what hes called in sweden to but i prefer Luffy but i really dont think anyone would be bothered if you wanted to call him Ruffy the name is almost identical and everyone would clearly see who your refering to.
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How old is Hawkeye? It occurs to me it might not be impossible for him to have been on GR crew….not likely, I suppose, but possible.
Yeah I was thinking that too that Hawkeye's was part of Gold Roger's crew. It was said that Gold Roger had different versed Languages in his crew and Hawkeye wearing a French hat could be from somewhere else. I am guessing he is a little older than Shanks maybe in his late 30's or early 40's. Hell who knows Shanks might have been part of Whitebeard's crew that is how maybe these two ended up as rivals they are both swordsman supporting their great Captains.
Just Speculation.:unsure:
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Anybody here thinks that Califa will join the crew? 'cause I do :P I just dont think Sanji will leave a beat up woman lying on the floor. It could also be the reason why they were paired up, so Sanji won't abandon her and bring her along. So I'm guessing she and a shipwright (maybe Franky) will join and she might be able to move the story forward just like Robin did… I don't know. She just doesn't seem like a bad person...yet O.o
Edit: I got the idea of her joining from something Sanji said awhile back that he'll find the hottest babe around and Luffy said they needed a big guy 5 meters tall something like that. So maybe 2 people will join...shrugs
daRk26, I think this is pretty insightful.
It would really be nice if they did get two new crewmembers, considering that in the arc they almost lost two (assuming usopp comes back, we still don't know for sure that he will).
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Do we know for sure that Calipha's fruit is Zoan? =/ I can't remember….
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and your point is? what is the problem with dragonball/DBZ? These two Manag's changed the Fighting Genre for all action cartoons. Without Akira Toriyama's Masterpiecies you would not have One Piece, Naruto, Yu Yu Hakusho a Hadokuen from Street Fighter etc. You would have basically nothing.Please even if DBZ is repetitive, that is what made it a world wide known anime and makes it one of the best ever made.
Back to Zoro's Strength, Getting stronger can come from fighting which will give you the ultimate aspect of fighting and that is experience. Zoro is telling the truth that he has gotten stronger because fighting can make a person mentally and skillfully stronger. Hell great example is Luffy. Yes this can be from DBZ but it is only the truth on hgetting stronger.
oh hell i love dbz but its great to see something new like oda usually does.
after thinking it more over could zoro had gained strength by cutting open the train and fighting all those marines
edit: ive should've read your post a little more u said the excat same thing before i did XD with the strengh part
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oh hell i love dbz but its great to see something new like oda usually does.
after thinking it more over could zoro had gained strength by cutting open the train and fighting all those marines
edit: ive should've read your post a little more u said the excat same thing before i did XD with the strengh part
Well here is how I think Zoro gains his strength the same can be said for Luffy. Simply by fighting and gaining the experience needed to combat what they have just seen. They are familiar with the Roukishiki techniques and now they can think of ways to combat the opponent. Now Zoro can adjust becasue he basically has moves for any kind of situation I truly believe that Zoro is the most skilled fighter in the Strawhat crew.
It does seem DBZish but it is fun.
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…Hey, true, Calipha doesn't seem bad. But in joining, she'd be kind of like a Robin clone. It'll be painful, but I'm okay with sexy woman being dropped.
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Hah, I don't really think she's like Robin with the exception of her being stoic. Her feminist personality put up against Sanji's don juan fantasies would be great.
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I mean her shelling out for the enemy. If Oda could give her a fresh story as an excuse and make it not seem like a cop out of a fight, I think it'd be awesome if she joined.
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OK, what if Calipha ate the Muscle Muscle fruit & becomes all buffed up & that (for those that read HunterXHunter, I think you know what I mean)? Think with her body like that Sanji might get to attacking her?
Something's been bothering me: How in hell are they gonna get outa Ennies Lobby?
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what if Kalifa ate an invisibility devil fruit?
that way Sanji can pwn her without worrying about her face :p -
An invisibility would still be hard for him to win, he wouldn't be able to see her…
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Robin ate the 'hana hana no mi.' Hana means flower, and could be translated as flower, flora, bloom, etc.
But I do like Ivotas' idea, maybe 'tsuru tsuru no mi?' (tsuru = vine(I think))
Dude, Tsuru means Crane in Japanese. You know, Vice Admiral Tsuru? Crane Fruit would be interesting, but what I'd like to see Calipha eat is a Paramecium. Something off the wall, like a shuuki shuuki no mi (Stink Stink fruit). It's hard to fight someone who smells like crap, especially when you're a cook, who has a sensitive nose.
What I'd like to see, though, is the kami kami no mi (Paper fruit). Ever seen Read or Die? The Series is adequate, but the movie is one of my favorite anime movies of all time. Plus, it would fit her former role as Iceburg's secretary. She'd be so used to have handled papers in that job that mastering her fruit would be no problem. Papercuts HURT.
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Holy hell..Usopp has a six-pack. O_O
I am officially fileing a missing pers…..missing animal-person case for Chopper.
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Holy hell..Usopp has a six-pack. O_O
I am officially fileing a missing pers…..missing animal-person case for Chopper.
Well, yeah…he's skinny. People think you're muscular if your abs show. Not really....it's often just a lack of fat.
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what if Kalifa ate an invisibility devil fruit?
that way Sanji can pwn her without worrying about her face :pIf she ate a Zoan fruit and she turned into an ugly animal, Sanji can beat her up easily..
But I'm hoping for a Paramecia.
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If she ate a Zoan fruit and she turned into an ugly animal, Sanji can beat her up easily..
But I'm hoping for a Paramecia.
Logia all the way.
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Well, yeah…he's skinny. People think you're muscular if your abs show. Not really....it's often just a lack of fat.
Yes, yes, yes. Ya were quicker than me, champ. :biggrin: And too damn right.
And yeah, Oda never draws "massive-massive" build up guys. They all have some kinda flaw or "cartoony" feature, f.e Tilestone and his feet.
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I still hope calipha is some kind of bird. Personally I like the current zoan-theme, and making her a bird would keep her beautiful.
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Imho it makes sense that Usopp is pretty buff.
It isn't like he just sits around all day, and he's been doing the carpenter work on the ship for ages.
It's actually less obvious why Sanji's fit, but I guess he does train sometimes.Oh, and this might have been mentioned a few times, but:
Fukurou: Fukurou means owl.
Kumadori: the word kumadori is some kind of make-up, but kuma means bear and dori(tori) means bird. so bear-bird.
Jabura: wolf fruit.
Blueno: Bull. both how he looks and his name (buruuno, where buru = bull).
Kaku: giraffe fruit.
Lucci: leopard fruit.
Spandam: panda. both his looks (prior to the mask) and his name.
Calipha: ?. either she's got a zoan fruit or she's their caretaker.So yeah, Zoro's right. It's a zoo.
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An invisibility would still be hard for him to win, he wouldn't be able to see her…
that's what I'm talking about, that way he doesn't have the burden of messing the woman's face :D
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I had a feeling Kaku and Calipha were gonna be turned into animals to match the rest of CP9 but I was hopping they'd get more kickass powers, who would have liked to see Kaku shoot laser beams out of his nose? (I'm kidding, something like his legs becoming pressure cannons would have been tight.)
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Kumadori: the word kumadori is some kind of make-up, but kuma means bear and dori(tori) means bird. so bear-bird.
Kumadori is a valid word, used in Kabuki. (Again, Oda seems to be liking Kabuki a lot lately, for he has used Kabuki themed color spread twice.)
Good explanation of Kubadori can be found here.
According to that, depends on what role you play, color of the make up will be different.Red is often used for the main character, which represents courage, justice, strength.
Blue is often used for the enemy role.
Brown is often used for ghost or demon; something scoopy other than human.Kumadori's "dori" (tori) means "take," not "bird." Though, I wouldn't be surprised if Oda had bird in mind as a pun.
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Kumadori's "dori" (tori) means "take," not "bird." Though, I wouldn't be surprised if Oda had bird in mind as a pun.
Yeah, I just meant that it might be a pun, especially since it's written in katakana. the kuma kanji in kumadori isn't bear either.
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If she ate a Zoan fruit and she turned into an ugly animal, Sanji can beat her up easily..
Uh, I think that it wouldn't make her any less of a lady is she's ugly or anything. It's more than Sanji's libido, it's like his code of honor; always be a gentleman.
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Uh, I think that it wouldn't make her any less of a lady is she's ugly or anything. It's more than Sanji's libido, it's like his code of honor; always be a gentleman.
If that would be the case then actually Sanji shouldn´t have any problem kicking Bon Kurei´s ass around while he was in Nami mode. Under the camouflage he was a BW agent after all.
I´m aware that this time it would be the other way around but if it is the heart that matters, then Califa´s isn´t the one of an angel. Her looks are probably the only thing that may protect her from phyiscal attacks from Sanji. At least in the beginning.
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Exactly like I said earlier, I don't see why making her ugly means Sanji would feel okay with hitting her. A woman is a woman despite her looks to a true gentleman.
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I still like Sanji to kick Califa plain and simple and pure without anything to interupt the fight. I predict that Sanji would use physical contact an her
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She might say something or do something that makes him mad enough to hit her
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come on people. Sanji can't hit Kalifa ugly or not.
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He can prolly do rankyaku on her or something.
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@Melee128:
come on people. Sanji can't hit Kalifa ugly or not.
So how do you think he will defeat her? Asking her for a date until she flee´s? :huh:
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So how do you think he will defeat her? Asking her for a date until she flee´s? :huh:
show her his unmentionables so she jumps out the window, screaming
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One thing that bugs me, is the whole "The mugiwaras will learn the CP9 moves" concept. I mean, hell. It's frustratin, cause, believe me, there's NO WAY, with the strict rules of a martial art, that you can train for decades and master a move, and then someone completely inexpert can use it perfectly like it's the easiest thing on earth. I know that it's a manga, aka fiction, but hell. It's just not right.
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If that would be the case then actually Sanji shouldn´t have any problem kicking Bon Kurei´s ass around while he was in Nami mode. Under the camouflage he was a BW agent after all.
I´m aware that this time it would be the other way around but if it is the heart that matters, then Califa´s isn´t the one of an angel. Her looks are probably the only thing that may protect her from phyiscal attacks from Sanji. At least in the beginning.
Dunno, maybe because up to that point Nami has been Sanji's object of worship, and he's suddenly told to kick "her" in the face. shrug
'Sides, that's over like 200 chapters before. I've seen other sides of Sanji, like "A man forgives a woman's lies", so I tend to see him past "Mellorine~~~!!"
Whoa, I'm a Sanji fan too XDD
Whew…
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Dunno, maybe because up to that point Nami has been Sanji's object of worship, and he's suddenly told to kick "her" in the face. shrug
'Sides, that's over like 200 chapters before. I've seen other sides of Sanji, like "A man forgives a woman's lies", so I tend to see him past "Mellorine~~~!!"
Well Mellorine mode was sure back on Rocket Man, but still you make a fair point.
But I do see Sanji pull a "Normally I don´t hit a lady, but you are no lady…" moment. True he didn´t do that before, but with all the seriousness about Robin´s future and if Calipha acts very unfine then I do see that happening.
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@Melee128:
come on people. Sanji can't hit Kalifa ugly or not.
He was perfectly willing to shoot Robin in the head for Vivi's sake. I see no reason for him to not kick the hell out an enemy martial artist, especially if she winds up with a Devil Fruit that makes her ugly and especially if she tries to stop him from saving Robin.
I'm picking her to wind up with another Zoan type to complete the menagerie. It could be a beautiful animal that looks utterly ridiculous in it's Zoan-Base form like Pierre or else it's utterly hideous (like an alligator or a warthog).
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Im not sure about her getting a zoan fruit like a flamingo. She looked very confident in her new ability and becoming a flamingo doesn't seem impressive.
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I'm picking her to wind up with another Zoan type to complete the menagerie. It could be a beautiful animal that looks utterly ridiculous in it's Zoan-Base form like Pierre or else it's utterly hideous (like an alligator or a warthog).
What if she ate a rabbit fruit? It wouldn´t be much of an dangerous animal bust I can already imagine her half-animal form to look like a playboy bunny?
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Keep dreaming, Ivotas. :D
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He was perfectly willing to shoot Robin in the head for Vivi's sake. I see no reason for him to not kick the hell out an enemy martial artist, especially if she winds up with a Devil Fruit that makes her ugly and especially if she tries to stop him from saving Robin.
QUOTE]When Sanji pointed the gun at Robin, he had not got a good look at her. Right after he saw her a moment later he went into his love mode. I am pretty sure that he would have never pointed the gun at her when he figured out that she was hot.
I hope that Calphia's Devil fruit is a logia, but if it was a zoan I think it would be something like a deer.
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New realization: I'd love another 2 on 2 with Nami and Franky.
One thing that bugs me, is the whole "The mugiwaras will learn the CP9 moves" concept. I mean, hell. It's frustratin, cause, believe me, there's NO WAY, with the strict rules of a martial art, that you can train for decades and master a move, and then someone completely inexpert can use it perfectly like it's the easiest thing on earth. I know that it's a manga, aka fiction, but hell. It's just not right.
Other people are annoyed by the possibility of them learning Rokushiki, but definitely for me, it's because of this. I figured Oda acknowledged this too, with Luffy having to switch gears in order to use Soru, something Calipha can do.
I could probably accept something like Sanji doing Rankyaku, after a while, but then people are like "yeah, and Sogeking and Chopper will learn Kami-e and Tekkai!" Uh….huh?
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Don't forget, for Sanji and Zoro (and Luffy, too) their martial arts capabilities are along the lines of a 9th dan, or higher. For them, it's just, "Wow, I never thought of using a technique like that," then mimicking it. Of course, only if they feel the need to.
So if one of them mimics Soru, or Geppou, or even Rankyaku, I don't think that'd be cheap at all.
On the other hand, the other Straw Hats, while very capable, aren't at the same level of martial arts needed to pull off the same. If one of them pulled off a rokushiki, it'd be a very WTF moment for me.
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One thing that bugs me, is the whole "The mugiwaras will learn the CP9 moves" concept. I mean, hell. It's frustratin, cause, believe me, there's NO WAY, with the strict rules of a martial art, that you can train for decades and master a move, and then someone completely inexpert can use it perfectly like it's the easiest thing on earth. I know that it's a manga, aka fiction, but hell. It's just not right.
ahem
again here Oda as worshipper of DBZ copies Buu's capability to learn his opponent skills just by looking at it
runs before getting bashed by DBZ haters
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But no matter how strong you are in your field, you can't just adapt in a second. Like an expert judo-ka throwing an elbow will most likely still look like a goof. For me it depends on how it's picked up. If Sanji used Rankyaku to bust into Calipha's room, it'd be weird, but if she keeps using it on him and he turns his leg swings into the move, I guess it wouldn't be bad.
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Luffy did with Soru.
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Luffy did with Soru.
True, but on the other hand, it's not like Luffy hasn't seen anything like Soru before either. Nuki-Ashi was just as fast (perhaps even faster as Kuro was unable to control his attacks and Rokushiki users don't really seem to be moving any faster than Kuro did while dodging Luffy's attacks), but Luffy eventually saw through it.
Most of the other attacks are a bit different.
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Besides seeing it in the mansion, Luffy had fought Blueno for five chapters before using Soru himself. And even then he had to use Gear.