@rapskallion:
Oh I see, well that certainly makes sense. Though I don't see "damn" as that much of a bad word, but I guess other people do.
Yea I think we can all thank The Simpsons for that. Remember when (you all probably don't) there was little to no cussing on t.v. at all? Restrictions have definitely lowered dramatically in the last 15-20 years.
But in regards to manga, it's held to a more strict standard, and rightfully so.
So….....in other news I bought volume 13 today. If you live in San Francisco, the Borders in the new Bloomingdales shopping center had several in stock. (To my surprise I looked up, and there it was)
For those wondering, it's still NefeLtari, sorry folks it wasn't a typo. Aside from that eeverything else is fine, and the cover looks quite similiar to the Japanese one.......usually the Viz volumes come off a tad brighter and shinier but this one doesn't. It's probably the pale purple color.
ArticUNO ZapDOS MolTRES!!!!!!!!
Holy crap, I never noticed that!
Ah, well, It seems Viz caught their error for once. They changed back the title of Vol. 16. It's Carrying on His Will now.
I told you so. (16 characters)
@rapskallion:
But I think you are too into some of the minor details, like Logue town/Rogue town and Alabasta/Arabasta. They're really some very minor details if you ask me…
Even if you consider the changes "minor", you have to keep in mind that TOKYOPOP and Del Rey make zero changes to their manga (aside from the obvious translations), even as far as sound effect editing goes (which I view as a form of localization). Granted, ViZ Media is not as outrageously intense as CMX Comics, but I see CMX as a sort of "rage vent", since they're owned by D.C. who would (arguably) be the natural enemies of competing Japanese comics.
I mean, General Motors hates Toyota with a vengeance, doesn't it? Since Marvel hasn't even touched anime/manga and D.C. (I believe) is a larger company, they have cash to burn and could easily "ruin" several titles.
On the other hand, I fully agree with CMX's changes…but that's a whole different can of sardines.
@rapskallion:
I think Viz is doing a great job with the manga so far, and from what I've read, it's much better than any other English translation I've seen yet. Sure the online ones are good, but I feel Viz comes out way more natural, esp since the translations online often really feel like they went directly from Japanese to English, making some of the things they say not sound normal to fluent English speakers.
…by which you mean the language has been oversimplified such that it could be read at a second grade level. In that I won't hold any disdain, but I find that kind of writing extremely lowbrow/childish, even moreso than "children's" literature (such as the Bernstein Bears); it's also got a lot of weird colloquiallisms uncommon in modern tongue (goner?), as well as the pseudo-cursing.
Which is funny, because of all people, one such as myself should be the last person complaining about pseudo-cursing.
@rapskallion:
And they try to explain many of the Japanese puns/jokes, and a joke just isn't funny when you have to explain it like that.
I don't find many of Oda's puns funny. I find them cool/interesting that he managed to involve word-play into a certain attack; I mean, I did laugh at Killamanjaro simply because I'd gotten used to Kaku related puns and that one was basically perfect, but most of them are not really all the funny.
Take, for example, Goku's Kamehameha; Toriyama allegedly drew the inspiration on a suggested whim from his wife regarding a Hawaiian King, Kamehameha I. By sheer coincidence, the translated meaning of that attack would be "Turtle Destruction Wave" (I think).
…perfect for a Turtle Hermit like Roshi, aye? Not funny, just cool.
@rapskallion:
But I do agree about the rating. OP shouldn't be T for teen, as it's mostly suitable for children. It's times like these where I kinda approve of censorship. Like, if a company can edit a little bit of the language, and maybe take out some of the Nami/Califa fanservicy parts to make the manga more accessible to children, then I really wouldn't mind, as I feel that it is a worthy compromise. It's kinda not fair to give it a T just because it has a couple of "inappropriate" scenes inside. A lot of parents just see the T on the cover and decide they're not getting it, end of story, which sucks for the kids. One Piece is a great manga for all ages. But Viz did do some pretty dumb things with the language, like all the parts where the characters say "darn" instead of "damn". If you already put a T on the product, why not go all the way and make it a proper T? Why edit the language like that?
As Ubiq said long long ago, VIZ Media did not originally brand its manga with such restrictive labels, but the marketing departmant chairwoman (I think she's the VP of the company?) is deadset on classifying everything for certain people. It's another sad product of VIZ Media (vainly) trying to intergrate manga into mainstream culture; as in the case of 4Kids, in order for manga to make it as a "mainstream pop icon" it needs to be as least controversial as possible; in the culturally phobic United States, that means taking a Japanese comic and making it so "people don't know it's from Japan".
Yes, let's not forget the blatant contradiction with "shounen jump" and "manga in Japan is read from right to left"! VIZ's manga are a whole lot less authentic than Del Rey, Dark Horse, or TOKYOPOP, primarily because a lot more "creative Western juices" went into the processing of said manga. No longer is One Piece solely written by Eiichiro Oda, it's now got Lance Caselman credited as well.
Back in 2004 I obtained a hardcover copy of Ranma 1/2 and, if I remember correctly, I couldn't find any credits on the page outside of "Rumiko Takahashi"; now, we have "Japanese Staff" and "English Staff" on one of the cover pages. People are trying to promote themselves through translating manga/anime when they originally remained anonymous, since (as I see it) the status quo for the business was that such people were easile replaceable and were basically nothing beneath the foot of the original manga-ka.
Which is how it should be; ghost writing exhists for a reason, since it turns names into brands, rather than sticking an arbitrary and demographic restricting artificial rating on a piece of literature. And yes, "english adaptors" are easily replaceable; otherwise, we wouldn't have a newbie like Lance Caselman working exclusively on OP. It's his first project.
People recognize Toriyama's name. People recognize Takahashi, and Miyazaki. Now, people are starting to recognize Kishimoto; through their works, people can associate stuff with their name. Even works done in their name evoke the connotations of said "brand". By this logic, O-Parts Hunter should sell well as Naruto becomes more popular; only time will tell.
On the offhand, no one knows the name "Eiichiro Oda". Heck, I had trouble remembering his name up until I first started reading Water 7.
So….....in other news I bought volume 13 today. If you live in San Francisco, the Borders in the new Bloomingdales shopping center had several in stock. (To my surprise I looked up, and there it was)
For those wondering, it's still NefeLtari, sorry folks it wasn't a typo. Aside from that eeverything else is fine, and the cover looks quite similiar to the Japanese one.......usually the Viz volumes come off a tad brighter and shinier but this one doesn't. It's probably the pale purple color.
Nefeltari actually seems more like a real name than Nefertari. Besides, you know the L / R rule for Japanese: it's interchangeable and is the translator's choice. AFAIRC, there is no place Vivi's last name is written, so it can go either way.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
@Fire Fist:
Nefeltari actually seems more like a real name than Nefertari. Besides, you know the L / R rule for Japanese: it's interchangeable and is the translator's choice. AFAIRC, there is no place Vivi's last name is written, so it can go either way.
yawn
biggest complaint always comes back to the L/R switch
It really doesn't bother me, granted in this case Nefertari DOES have a meaning to it, it has nothing to do with the actual story really.
Just picked up volume thirteen at the local Waldenbooks. The punks had it set out in a display instead of on the shelves, so I missed it when I went in there yesterday. 
I haven't finished reading it yet but I haven't seen anything I don't like. Now there's the wait 'till March.
Oh yes! The wait 'til March! What fun. I reserved a copy in my Waldens, so I hope it's in, 'cause I haven't gotten a phone call. My phone's been tied for awhile.
Didn't know about that. But remember, her name has never been written in Romaji except in the wanted poster in the anime mid-segment, and that doesn't count. Besides, Names aren't always what they are in English in Japan. For example, Roronoa.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
I don't think I'll even attempt to approach Borders until after New Years. I don't even know for sure if they'll have the volume (I checked on Saturday and Sunday and they didn't have it.). They seem to get things about a week later than I expect them to, and the shops are going to be insane for Christmas and just after, I just know it.
I just wait for Amazon to dispatch it. They usually knock off a pound or two.
Even if you consider the changes "minor", you have to keep in mind that TOKYOPOP and Del Rey make zero changes to their manga (aside from the obvious translations)
Thats a false statement if I ever saw one. TOKYOPOP and Del Ray have both made changes to their manga. Hell, even Dark Horse has edited their titles as well (Although probably few in number as compared to the other two).
On the other hand, I fully agree with CMX's changes…but that's a whole different can of sardines.
I haven't really talked about Tenjou Tenge, but I'll just say that it was geared toward the wrong audience. But yes, thats a different matter.
…by which you mean the language has been oversimplified such that it could be read at a second grade level. In that I won't hold any disdain, but I find that kind of writing extremely lowbrow/childish, even moreso than "children's" literature (such as the Bernstein Bears); it's also got a lot of weird colloquiallisms uncommon in modern tongue (goner?), as well as the pseudo-cursing.
Thats NOT what he said, and likening the Viz translation to the Bernstein Bears is a pretty cheap and poor comparision.
I understand what rapskallion is saying, and I have to agree that the Viz translations do have a very nice flow to them, and the delivery in English works well, sort of like a well-done FUNimation dub (and thats just my interpretation of it based on my reading habits). It's that same ease of reading which got me into manga a few years back. The only difference then was that Viz was a bit more lenient on swearing.
("Recess is over, wheres that dick Naruto?")
Which is funny, because of all people, one such as myself should be the last person complaining about pseudo-cursing.
Coming from a person who actually edits quotes from other memberrs…Yeah, that is some sort of double-standard. :happy:
As Ubiq said long long ago, VIZ Media did not originally brand its manga with such restrictive labels, but the marketing departmant chairwoman (I think she's the VP of the company?) is deadset on classifying everything for certain people. It's another sad product of VIZ Media (vainly) trying to intergrate manga into mainstream culture; as in the case of 4Kids, in order for manga to make it as a "mainstream pop icon" it needs to be as least controversial as possible…
Thats how any from of media gets when it becomes more popular. Its gets branded with labels to show whats appropriate for the respective age group.
Take a look at video games for example. In about 1976, when games were really taking their baby steps, and were the latest "thing", there was an arcade title called Death Race (based off the movie "Death Race 2000) which sparked some of the first controversy (however minor) in that form of media. Fast-foward to 1992, when games are a lot more popular now (thanks to Nintendo) and you've got the game everyone's talking about, Mortal Kombat. The game solely responsible for the creation of the ESRB. That game was on the verge of being censored or just out-and-out banned. Even today, while the ESRB system is still is in place, some games still get edited. (With the occasionally oddity such as the chainsaw deaths in the Japanese version of Resident Evil 4)
in the culturally phobic United States, that means taking a Japanese comic and making it so "people don't know it's from Japan".
OK, I'm pretty sure the last thing Viz wants us to believe is that manga isn't from Japan. Why would they bother calling it "manga" then?
On that note, why would "manga" be bothered to be defined in the dictionary?
No longer is One Piece solely written by Eiichiro Oda, it's now got Lance Caselman credited as well
Credited as what? And where exactly?
People recognize Toriyama's name. People recognize Takahashi, and Miyazaki. Now, people are starting to recognize Kishimoto; through their works, people can associate stuff with their name. Even works done in their name evoke the connotations of said "brand". By this logic, O-Parts Hunter should sell well as Naruto becomes more popular; only time will tell.
I kinda disagree. The title itself, spread through word of mouth, reviews, Internet, etc. really aids establishes an author/mangaka. (See Naruto) It's kinda going out on a limb to say that 'x' is going to be popular solely because its by 'y' who is 'z's sibling/father/mother/etc.
That being said, I have heard and read some good things about 666/O-Parts. I might have to check that out.
Thats a false statement if I ever saw one. TOKYOPOP and Del Ray have both made changes to their manga. Hell, even Dark Horse has edited their titles as well (Although probably few in number as compared to the other two).
You're probably mistaken regarding Del Rey, though I welcome you to provide evidence to the contrary. I would specific that "changes" were referring to "art edits", so cover changes and "extras" do not count.
There was an instance I can think of where TOKYOPOP did indeed edit manga but I have not been able to verify such (which would be Initial D), but I would humoursly point out it's the same kind of editing VIZ Media would have done, yet recieved a ton of backlash since TOKYOPOP was held to be the "100% authentic" company, not the snarling conformist localizations that VIZ Media flatly applies to all of its works.
In all likelihood, I would surmise like VIZ Media TOKYOPOP was considering anime fans too small a market and wanted to expand its reach to "mainstream America", hence the localizations. Since then, there hasn't been a single "bastardization" of TOKOYOPOP heavily editing manga, since doing so was so utterly disastrous to them.
Thats NOT what he said, and likening the Viz translation to the Bernstein Bears is a pretty cheap and poor comparision.
How dare you insult the Bernstein Bears! It is an integral part of classic American children's literature! :getlost:
I understand what rapskallion is saying, and I have to agree that the Viz translations do have a very nice flow to them, and the delivery in English works well, sort of like a well-done FUNimation dub (and thats just my interpretation of it based on my reading habits). It's that same ease of reading which got me into manga a few years back. The only difference then was that Viz was a bit more lenient on swearing.
"you darn dirty half-fish". Real flowing, that.
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Language simplification is inevitable given that we want children to be able to understand the manga; Oda has this in mind when he writes dialogue, which is meant to be sort of detatched anyway given the format of manga, which jumps from sequence to sequence. Writiers of news articles do the same thing; magazines like TIME and NEWSWEEK write in the style of a fourth grade level narrative so that even the uneducated can understand the writing. It's more 'personalized'.
What I would point out is that the language is too simple; simple sentences, which require less thought to process, are of course easier on the eyes than a comprehensive and annotated addition of The Communist Manifesto. And, of course, we have "awkward" sentences as well that do not sound "flowing" since not enough time was devoted to over-simplifying the dialogue, making it stand out.
I might provide some examples tomorrow if I edit this post; it all depends on how much work I accomplish today.
Coming from a person who actually edits quotes from other memberrs…Yeah, that is some sort of double-standard. :happy:
What? What does proof-reading the quotes of other people have to do with swearing? Are you referring to the […] style? That's more along the lines of censorship, actually, though I've been doing a lot less of it since I've become increasingly indolent.
Thats how any from of media gets when it becomes more popular. Its gets branded with labels to show whats appropriate for the respective age group.
Take a look at video games for example. In about 1976, when games were really taking their baby steps, and were the latest "thing", there was an arcade title called Death Race (based off the movie "Death Race 2000) which sparked some of the first controversy (however minor) in that form of media. Fast-foward to 1992, when games are a lot more popular now (thanks to Nintendo) and you've got the game everyone's talking about, Mortal Kombat. The game solely responsible for the creation of the ESRB. That game was on the verge of being censored or just out-and-out banned. Even today, while the ESRB system is still is in place, some games still get edited. (With the occasionally oddity such as the chainsaw deaths in the Japanese version of Resident Evil 4)
Such would be understandable for video games since, in some manner shape or form, they have, do, or will impact almost every American life. However, is manga in the same kind of vein? The "advent" of manga as a popular medium was during 2002, and aside from Naruto the market has grown simply because more people are being exposed to it, but compared to the exponential growth of video games, not to mention the number of companies that have sprung up dedicated to them versus manga companies and the 'accessibility' of said games, manga shouldn't be at the point of applying "labels" just yet.
On another note, the video game industry is vastly different in terms of how people react to labeling; company branding means virtually nothing to consumers as far as video games go because of the enormus number of companies, which makes it difficult for them to gain recognition. At that, consumers are educated enough to recognize that "not everything from Nintendo is quality", so they're more responsive to actual gaming content rather than merely buying based on a brand (which VIZ Media is trying to work against). Additionally, ESRB ratings rarely impact parents or children who purchase a game, primarily because of the "title" not "company" recognition I just talked about. Case in point; more third graders play Diablo II on Battle.net than high school kids, and they're blood good at it. ESRB's ratings are only important in determining which stores can carry certain game, and so long as nothing has shagging in it (a sad state of affairs in American societies) major chain stores will carry it.
OK, I'm pretty sure the last thing Viz wants us to believe is that manga isn't from Japan. Why would they bother calling it "manga" then?
They call their products 'graphic novels' officially, but manga is used in advertisements. It's just "cool" to use foreign words when advertising something foreign, which would explain why English lyrics appear in J-POP songs.
I'm saying, though, that there's a philosophical contradiction between what VIZ Media says and what they do; they're promoting Japanse culture while simultaneously censoring much of it. Compared with the other comapnies, barring the D.C. Comics, a "wholly American" company, it's indicative of 'typical' Japanese conformity to the West. A submissive nation that deems much of its culture unworthy to be explained to Americans, such that they try to omit altogether.
As an Asian, as well as a strong promoter of ethnic diversity and awareness in America, that goes against the very fundamentals of what I, and nearly all of the people I associate with, believe to be 'progressive' regarding the integration of world cultures into American culture.
Ironically, it would be TOKYOPOP, a company run by weeaboo, who turn out to be the strongest promoters of 'authentic' (or as 'authentic' as manga gets) Japanese culture.
On that note, why would "manga" be bothered to be defined in the dictionary?
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Credited as what? And where exactly?
The "English team" credits are not on the covers themselves, but on one of the inside cover pages. You won't have to look very far. Full credits for VIZ Media and then some credit to Oda as "Japanese staff"; I don't even think Oda's assistants are mentioned.
I kinda disagree. The title itself, spread through word of mouth, reviews, Internet, etc. really aids establishes an author/mangaka. (See Naruto) It's kinda going out on a limb to say that 'x' is going to be popular solely because its by 'y' who is 'z's sibling/father/mother/etc.
When I think of Eiichiro Oda, I think of just the name "Oda". When I think of Akira Toriyama, I just think "Toriyama". When I think of Masashi Kishimoto, I think "Kishimoto". Average Americans, especially children, have trouble with foreign names, so if they pick up on something they recognize "Kishimoto" and they want more of something like like, say Naruto, they'll also go for material with a related name.
And yes, the title is of paramount importance, but when the title lacks recognition (like O-Parts Hunter, changes from it's original name 666 Satan) people rely on authorship for identification.
That being said, I have heard and read some good things about 666/O-Parts. I might have to check that out.
Same, I hear it's better than Naruto and still has good art, but I can't get past the title. ~.~;;
I got the new issue. Naruto's on the cover, only 2 chapters of One Piece.
J-WALKING
OK, I'm now 90% sure that AnimePavilion is getting it Thursday, when their new Viz shipments come in. They offer 10% off all anime DVDs, manga volumes, and comix volumes, plus one of their stores is very close to me, so I do all of my shopping for anime, manga, and comix there.
I got the new issue. Naruto's on the cover, only 2 chapters of One Piece.
According to Amazon.co.uk the first Gintama book is out in July. The next one will be out in September. This makes me think that once Gintama has the seven(?) volume one chapters published it'll be dropped and made into a bio monthly series. Perhaps once this is done One Piece will become two chapters again. If this is indeed the case, I assume it's to close the gap between chapters and volumes and maybe allow Naruto and Shaman King to "catch up". According to the dates for next year, by the end of the year the gaps between volumes suggest it'll switch back to three chapters a month.
Course, this is just an estimate.
I got the new issue. Naruto's on the cover, only 2 chapters of One Piece.
January is out already?
You're probably mistaken regarding Del Rey, though I welcome you to provide evidence to the contrary. I would specific that "changes" were referring to "art edits", so cover changes and "extras" do not count.
Nah, Del Ray did in fact make some minor art edits in Air Gear, from what I've read, it was just to cover-up a thong that a female character was wearing. Although they have also gone on record to say that they have toned down sexual situation in the dialog.
And Tsukiyomi is another notably edited TOKYOPOP title.
More information here: http://forums.animeondvd.com/showthreaded.php?Number=1416103
but I would humoursly point out it's the same kind of editing VIZ Media would have done, yet recieved a ton of backlash since TOKYOPOP was held to be the "100% authentic" company….
I don't remember hearing or reading about any big backlash on TOKYOPOP. I mean, there was the DVD release which contained the heavily localized version of the TV show (alongside the original Japanese version) but TOKYOPOP didn't touch that anime (although if I'm not mistaken, they did distribute it, I could be wrong).
How dare you insult the Bernstein Bears! It is an integral part of classic American children's literature! :getlost:
How DARE you accuse me of insulting the Bernstien Bears! 
I grew up with those books.
"you [damn] dirty half-fish". Real flowing, that.
A little alteration makes it better 
What I would point out is that the language is too simple; simple sentences, which require less thought to process, are of course easier on the eyes than a comprehensive and annotated addition of The Communist Manifesto.
But this isn't a study of Marx, this is comic book for pure enjoyment. The language is fine, and yes, it definitely is easy on the eyes, which is how a good comic should be.
This actually is a little problem that I have with some Del Ray titles, Negima in particular. I'm not particularly fond of their choice of font or style. And adding the minituraized translations under sound effects is a kind of distracting, and sometimes, I find that it clutters a panel, and just complicates the whole experience.
On that note, I totally approve of the way Viz translates the sound effects.
And, of course, we have "awkward" sentences as well that do not sound "flowing" since not enough time was devoted to over-simplifying the dialogue, making it stand out.
Reading honorifics in English always sounded awkward to me. Actually, I can remember a few instances reading Negima and Basilisk which I thought sounded kind of odd.
What? What does proof-reading the quotes of other people have to do with swearing? Are you referring to the […] style? That's more along the lines of censorship, actually, though I've been doing a lot less of it since I've become increasingly indolent.
I'm referring to times when you have in fact, put the "[censored]" over a some of the more "colorful" words in other users quoted posts. (So, yeah I might be referring to the […] style)
And I brought that up because with your complaints of pseudo-swearing, you're still playing mini-FCC here :getlost:
With that, I must say I have a little bit of confusion concerning your view of naughty words…
Such would be understandable for video games since, in some manner shape or form, they have, do, or will impact almost every American life. However, is manga in the same kind of vein? The "advent" of manga as a popular medium was during 2002, and aside from Naruto the market has grown simply because more people are being exposed to it, but compared to the exponential growth of video games, not to mention the number of companies that have sprung up dedicated to them versus manga companies and the 'accessibility' of said games, manga shouldn't be at the point of applying "labels" just yet.
But books are, and thats pretty much the whole class that manga and comics fall under. Society already has groups of age when it comes to literature, "Children", "Young Adult", "Adult", and I think its also safe to say that the book is the one medium which has been subject to more controversy and even editing during its time than any other medium out there.
I know in my school days, there were always times when a book was called into question. (banning "The Ousiders", reading censored versions of "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn"). And I believe there was a thread on this forum discussing the banning of "Fahrenheit 451".
Manga may have gone into the point of labels sooner than we thought, but I'd say that the stage was already set for it to happen.
On another note, the video game industry is vastly different in terms of how people react to labeling; company branding means virtually nothing to consumers as far as video games go because of the enormus number of companies, which makes it difficult for them to gain recognition. At that, consumers are educated enough to recognize that "not everything from Nintendo is quality", so they're more responsive to actual gaming content rather than merely buying based on a brand (which VIZ Media is trying to work against).
I must've missed something, Where did the topic of brand names vs. actual product come up?
ESRB's ratings are only important in determining which stores can carry certain game, and so long as nothing has shagging in it (a sad state of affairs in American societies) major chain stores will carry it.
Yeah, and letting consumers and parents know what kind of material is in the game is just on their hidden agenda, right?
(Although I do agree that the difference in reaction towards violence and sex in games is pretty ridiculous)
Ironically, it would be TOKYOPOP, a company run by weeaboo, who turn out to be the strongest promoters of 'authentic' (or as 'authentic' as manga gets) Japanese culture.
You'll have to enlighten me on the word 'weeaboo'
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@Oxford:
manga
• noun Japanese cartoons, comic books, and animated films with a science-fiction or fantasy theme.
— ORIGIN Japanese, from man ‘indiscriminate’ + ga ‘picture’.
Same, I hear it's better than Naruto and still has good art, but I can't get past the title. ~.~;;
I think both titles are equally lame.
January is out already?
I have a subscription. Not out in stores (as far as I know); I got it in the mail.
Well, has anyone gotten any new Shonen Jumps yet? I'm not sure on the release schedules though…
I used to be very very bothered by the swearing thing, but then i slapped myself around and realized i was being a douche.
Ok sure read first printings of the first two volumes, Bastard, damn etc etc All first level curses. Ok i was like cooooool Honestly the naive me when Shonen Jump first came out was atracted to the "TEEN" Label.
More or less likely if Yu-gi-oh wasnt in it or if 4kids didnt dub Shaman king and One piece. We'd have enough level-one cursing and we'd still have Zoro….and maybe LougeTown...maybe.
When they started to target younger kids they started dumbing down the curses "Sanji! We'll miss you gosh-darnit!" After Zoro gets slashed by Mihawk "DARN YOOOOOOU!!!"
Darn isnt a bad word..its just it shouldnt be said when you're feeling passionate. Now i've noticed that now that shaman king and one piece are not on childrens televison they've eased back into curses? i think? We'll see.
Well, something's been bothering me, since we've seen Vol. 14. How do we know it's official? I mean…Why'd it show up on Amazon of all places? And How would they have even gotten it?
There was one tiny error in volume 13 that I picked up and that was an error in the Koby/Helmeppo story.
One of the chapter numbers for the mini story is wrong instead of chapter 23 it said 20 instead
VIZ made a couple of mistakes involving the Cobymeppo ministory. At one point, they had two different ones with the same chapter number.
Any news of Volume 14? (that comes out in April)
Anyone have scans of it from the Shouten Jump? I'm curious to see how they will handel the "Zolo scene" with him stuck in the wax and threatening to cut off his legs.
@Lobster:
Any news of Volume 14? (that comes out in April)
Anyone have scans of it from the Shouten Jump? I'm curious to see how they will handel the "Zolo scene" with him stuck in the wax and threatening to cut off his legs.
Ugh, I cringe every time I see Zolo.
Anyway, they handled it just fine. It's unedited, as is Mr. 3 jamming wax swords into Broggy's limbs.
It still angers me that Viz makes the picture on every cover of One Piece smaller. WHY MUST THEY DO THAT!?
And how was the dialogue in 14? Can someone scan and post some pages from the jump?
I'm sorry if I'm not seeing the big picture here, but why do we want One Piece to be such a big sucsess in America? I can't see how that could really change the situation… Enlighten me, someone?
Being a big success in America is good for One Piece as a worldwide franchise. A lot of anime/manga companies make a big chunk of their profits from overseas.
But on a personal level, I want to see it be a sucess because it's a great story and it deserves to be recognized by as many people as possible. The more successful it is here, the more accessible, and the better chance of getting stuff like uncut anime and merchandise.
Now tell me, what would One Piece NOT being successful do that would be good at all?
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Personally I think One Piece is better than Naruto and Bleach, so I find it slightly dissapointing when I see Bleach and Naruto get what I feel is a bit to much attention. I'm not saying One Piece should have all the attention, but I would like to see it get a bit more balanced out.
And I LOVE merchandise, but it's so hard to find One Piece collectables. Twice I've asked a site if it'll be getting some new One Piece stuff, both times they said "yes, within in a month", and when I check, nothing.
Anyone else get volume 13? It seems as if they're doing the character descriptions and previous volume summary more like the Japanese version now.
Did anyone get the Feburary or March issue yet?
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Being a big success in America is good for One Piece as a worldwide franchise. A lot of anime/manga companies make a big chunk of their profits from overseas.
But on a personal level, I want to see it be a sucess because it's a great story and it deserves to be recognized by as many people as possible. The more successful it is here, the more accessible, and the better chance of getting stuff like uncut anime and merchandise.Now tell me, what would One Piece NOT being successful do that would be good at all?
Sorry for the double-post.
Cosmic, that is the same dream I have too. I too wanted One Piece to be wildly known around the world because I believe One Piece deserves it.
Back in 2004, I use to be an Gamefaq.com fourm goer, I mostly hang out in the Dragon Ball Z board there. When I got into One Piece and saw it's far popular, I believe it should replace Dragon Ball because One Piece storyline is differant. I tried to nominate the One Piece forum in Gamefaq.com but was all rejected. And later I found this board (The second Arlong Park forums) and I became an One Piece editor.
I want to see One Piece become an part of the american popular culture and a worldwide popular culture
@joekido:
Did anyone get the Feburary or March issue yet?
I got Febuary's about a month ago, but I haven't recieved the issue for March yet. It should come next week though as it'll be on newstands the week after that.
Complicating things since 2009.
I got Febuary's about a month ago, but I haven't recieved the issue for March yet. It should come next week though as it'll be on newstands the week after that.
I meant the subscription
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@joekido:
I meant the subscription
Well, like I said:
It should come next week though as it'll be on newstands the week after that.
I usually get mine about a week before it comes out everywhere else, so it might come as early as tomorrow. If it does, well, I'll post and let you know. Is there something in particular that you want me to watch for if it does?
Occasionally, it comes out really early, but it usually doesn't come until the week before it's released to the newstands.
I did get 13 and I noticed the character descriptions did look different. Have they always purely translated the character pages like that? or did they just slap the characters on there with some description? Like, Has vol. 13 description pages been different than the volumes before in the original Japanese tankobans?
I got the March Issue today, 3 chapters of one piece a very good issue overall. Although I think they should take out gintama and have 4 chapters of one piece
My personal opinion: They need to treat OP more like they're treating Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (No translated sound effects, leaving character dialouge in tact, etc.). I realize that OP is in a magazine that goes onto bookshelves everywhere, but at least make the graphic novels a bit more fan friendly. Maybe it would be better just to make the OP graphic novels first, then edit the content in there for Shonen JUMP.
Being a big success in America is good for One Piece as a worldwide franchise. A lot of anime/manga companies make a big chunk of their profits from overseas.
But on a personal level, I want to see it be a sucess because it's a great story and it deserves to be recognized by as many people as possible. The more successful it is here, the more accessible, and the better chance of getting stuff like uncut anime and merchandise.Now tell me, what would One Piece NOT being successful do that would be good at all?
Best case scenario? I can see it being cancelled by Viz and picked up by Tokyopop (Who doesn't edit curses) or Del Ray (Who doesn't edit honorifics). I CANNOT see it being picked up by Dark Horse because One Piece is simply not that Dark. Then again, Dark Horse is doing Girls Bravo! (Would someone please explain to me, wtf?).
I'm conflicted with Viz. They've done a superb job with FMA, pushing out a volume every 2 months or less (Which means it's due to catch up with the Japanese manga), but many of their other works are sub par. Perhaps the popularity of the FMA anime is what triggered their big focus on pushing out FMA manga in such an efficient and well-translated manner. That's my best guess, anyway.
I got the March Issue today, 3 chapters of one piece a very good issue overall. Although I think they should take out gintama and have 4 chapters of one piece
Great, who's on the cover?
Gintoki from Gintama. The cover says that only 2 chapters of Gintama are left to be put into Shonen Jump. The top bar shows Naruto, and there are small pictures of Ryuk (Death Note, advertising a Death Note-baed puzzle in the issue) and Ichigo (Bleach, advertising summaries of new Bleach episodes in English) on either side of Gintoki.
If they're yanking Gintama, then they better translate the graphic novels better uh-huh. Too many sex jokes and swearing for JUMP uh-huh. And I was hoping that they would at least get to the color pages of chapter 17 uh-huh.
Oh well. Is it better that Gin-san is leaving uh-huh?
@Fire Fist:
Best case scenario? I can see it being cancelled by Viz and picked up by Tokyopop (Who doesn't edit curses) or Del Ray (Who doesn't edit honorifics). I CANNOT see it being picked up by Dark Horse because One Piece is simply not that Dark. Then again, Dark Horse is doing Girls Bravo! (Would someone please explain to me, wtf?).
Well, Viz is the only company that can bring over Shounen Jump titles now, so that's poinitless to hope for that. And they won't drop it. One Piece might not sell as well as Naruto or Death Note, but it still sells well(which is why the volumes get reprints).
And I'd gag if Tokyopop got this. Ever seen their releases of Gundam manga? It's not pretty, I'll tell you that much.
Viz may make the occasional gaffe, but they're worlds ahead of Tokyopop in quality.
And leaving in honorifics for a series like One Piece is stupid. The only time you should leave them in is if a series is clearly Japanese in nature. One Piece is not.
Hmmm so gintama is leaving. God I hope Yugioh R isnt put in there >>. I am still hoping for beet the vandel buster to be put in there, but yeah that wont happen.
Hell, maybe they'll announce steel ball run to come to the us. They kind of have been hinting it lol.
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Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
Good, we're back to 3 One Piece chapters a month. So, that means the March issue starts volume 15 and has Sanji's phone conversation with Croc in it.
It's times like this I wish Viz would push a little further with their swearing. Crap-restauraunt isn't bad, but still sounds semi-retarded nontheless.
Well, the only thing worse than crap is shit.
And they're not going to put that.
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