A great way for Sogeking to use Impact dials!

[velcry]

Forgive me if this idea has been mooted before, but I just thought of how Sogeking could use Impact dials in a much more effective way!

You know how there's a front and a back to Impact dials, and that the front absorbs kinetic energy whilst activating the back of the dial releases the stored energy through the front?

And that the worst part about using Impact dials is the extreme recoil the user suffers, thereby limiting usage of the Impact dial?

So what if Sogeking stacks two Impact dials on top of each other when he uses them to attack? The first dial would injure the enemy, and the second dial would completely absorb the recoil from the first! That way, he would be able to use the strongest Impact dials an unlimited number of times without even suffering any injury!

What do you all think? :biggrin:

[theinvisibleworm]

It's been said, but you're forgiven! Pretty sure you're new here, welcome to the forums man.

And yes, it's possible that he'll do exactly what you described, and I agree that it'd be very effective.

I like your enthusiasm.

[CosmicDebris]

Yeah, I thought the same thing before. I don't know if Usopp has more than one Impact Dial, though. I always wondered how Satori kept impacting without injuring himself. Was it that he was so strong, or did he do something like that? (or is it a plothole? )

[ARTEMlS]

I was also always wondering, whether Usopp was able to get a Reject dial, too. Maybe he got the one from Wiper or so.
If he got one he could use it combined with the Impact dial to lower his own damage. Maybe he would use it after Jyabura changed his form.

[Phlemingo]

Yup, my same exact theory. This way, he wouldn't need to absorb any hits in order to continuously use a very powerful attack.

Personally, I am praying he'll have to pull out all the stop and use the reject dial on Jabura wolf form, with the dial at the limit of its absorption, in the process breaking about a million of his own bones.

[joez1]

Bartholemew Bear made the point clear: You are talking about reject dials here - not impact dials. Even Nami used the impact dial without getting hurt (just flew backwards a bit). We know that the reject dial hurts the user. But how does it hurt the user is never written in one piece. Maybe he doesn't give an impact to the body but rather draining the energy out?

[d3adpool]

Just one thing how would he activate the first dial with the second in position to absord the recoil? How do you activate an Impact? Is it a button in the back?

Satori is just more used with the recoil. The same happens with guns, the more you use the more you learn to work with the recoil.

[Phlemingo]

@joez1:

Bartholemew Bear made the point clear: You are talking about reject dials here - not impact dials. Even Nami used the impact dial without getting hurt (just flew backwards a bit). We know that the reject dial hurts the user. But how does it hurt the user is never written in one piece. Maybe he doesn't give an impact to the body but rather draining the energy out?

Well, since it was said that reject dial deals 10 times the damage of impact, it is safe to assume that impact deals 'x' multiplied by the force it received, while reject deals '10x' multiplied by the force it received. For every action, there is an equal opposite reaction, thus this force is thrust both forward and backwards. Hence, the hurting of one's own body when using these dials. And naturally, reject well, hurts more. Go fig.

@d3adpool:

Just one thing how would he activate the first dial with the second in position to absord the recoil? How do you activate an Impact? Is it a button in the back?

Satori is just more used with the recoil. The same happens with guns, the more you use the more you learn to work with the recoil.

Uhm, the absorbing is automatic as soon as it gets hit, but the hit is with a button. I'm sure, as ingenious as he is, he can figure out a way to pull it off with gears or some shit like that, and also some mechanics to flip the dials and all.

Actually, I think because Satori was like a meatball, he wouldn't get the recoil so much. That was the point of his shape, methinks.

[NagaKarat]

I think the best way for Usopp to use the Impact dials is to incorporate it in his hammer. Being the genius he is, he'll probably figure it out how to dampen the recoil so it'll be of more manageable level. Me, I have no idea, or is it I'm just to tired to think it through.

[sabret00the]

…or usopp could stop being so whiny and lazy and actually work at something than a shortcut and train so his body can handle the impact dials.

[Shura]

when you train you'll get stronger and as time goes by you'll even be more resistible against hits you suffer in a fight. that's with the impact dial I think. Not only did Satori use impacts, one of his brothers hotori/kotori also had one, same goes with gan forr.
because they've passed their entire life in the skies where they grew up with dials they all learned how to handle them. so by training to fight wit' em they were at some point resistible enough to bare the shock an impact causes in the hand of the user.

and that's why I think that sooner or later Usopp will be strong enough to use a dial in a fight often, just like satori did.

[CosmicDebris]

@joez1:

Even Nami used the impact dial without getting hurt (just flew backwards a bit).

It did hurt her. Her arm was in pain. Same with Usopp. I think most likely the bigger the absorbed impact, the bigger the recoil effect.

@sabret00the:

…or usopp could stop being so whiny and lazy and actually work at something than a shortcut and train so his body can handle the impact dials.

Or, you could stop saying stupid things like that. Who ever said he can't handle impact dials? He handled getting Shigan'ed just fine. Who else other than Zoro does actual training? And Zoro's the laziest guy on board.

[GoAnderson]

sabre, I'll say this once: Stop being an ass. Thank you.

The Impact Dial is kind of hard to deal with. I would think stacking one Impact on another would just increase the blow delivered to both sides, and probably blow open a hole in both from the sheer force. Then again, that could be just me.

[cleeba]

@Phlemingo:

Uhm, the absorbing is automatic as soon as it gets hit, but the hit is with a button. I'm sure, as ingenious as he is, he can figure out a way to pull it off with gears or some shit like that, and also some mechanics to flip the dials and all.

I thought all dials were the shells of sea cretures in Skypiea, would they have mechanical features. :unsure:

[wanderer-zero]

cleeba, oddly enough yes, if you remember when they were observing the dial that replayed their voices, you had to press a button to activate it.

Anyway, about the incorporating into the hammer idea, it'd be neat for him to place it on his 5Ton hammer, it'd actually DO something this time =D

[CosmicDebris]

That aspect was never really explained….but they do have a trigger button. So there has to be some mechanics involved.

[captain sogeking]

adding impact dials to the 5ton hammer could help out with the recoil or shatter the pole attached to the hammer and maybe he could change it's name from 5ton hammer to the 100 ton hammer to indicate that it is more powerful.

[sabret00the]

@CosmicDebris:

Or, you could stop saying stupid things like that. Who ever said he can't handle impact dials? He handled getting Shigan'ed just fine. Who else other than Zoro does actual training? And Zoro's the laziest guy on board.

has he not on a few different occasions objected to using it for the reasons that his 'body doesn't like it' it paraphrase beyond all recognition. and i also disagree that zoro is the only person to train, however i'm unable to prove my theory on this so won't waste your time with it.

however i stand firm in the fact that practice makes perfect.

@GoAnderson:

sabre, I'll say this once: Stop being an ass. Thank you.

The Impact Dial is kind of hard to deal with. I would think stacking one Impact on another would just increase the blow delivered to both sides, and probably blow open a hole in both from the sheer force. Then again, that could be just me.

sorry how am i being an arse? because while everyone is coming out with crazy theories as to how he could handle it, i've said he could put in the kida work that Hotori (or whatever the triplet priest was called) no disrespect to you, though i'm sure i'll get in trouble for it; but i'm not bashing, i'm merely stating that he could work harder, i actually expected someone to come back with, "you've gotta understand it's only been a few days since skypiea" which is fair enough. but instead of finding this way or that way to handle it, he should just put in the work, that's me being an ass and if you feel it is, then your fandom is getting in the way of your moderating/administrative duties. all because what i'm saying isn't positive it doesn't mean i'm being an arse, it just means i don't agree with the general masses and yet it still doesn't make me wrong.

i apologise if you feel like i'm "sassing" you, but it's just my opinion, after all i thought that was what a forum was for?

[CosmicDebris]

He DID say he could upgrade his hammer with dials, in the same scene where he said he could upgrade the clima-tact, so I'm still expecting to see that at some point.

Edit: Sabre, you were being an ass because the only purpose your comment served was to be agitating. You didn't "just state that he could work harder". Lesson! Lesson! An example of that would be "I'd like to see Usopp train harder and become physically strong enough so that he wouldn't suffer any reprecussions from using the dials." (That's assuming that's even possible in the first place) Not "Usopp needs to stop being so lazy and whiny". That's just being an ass. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle, right?

[wanderer-zero]

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[PouleMorte]

@CosmicDebris:

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle, right?

GI Joe !

(sorry, i had a flashback)

[sabret00the]

@CosmicDebris:

Edit: Sabre, you were being an ass because the only purpose your comment served was to be agitating. You didn't "just state that he could work harder". Lesson! Lesson! An example of that would be "I'd like to see Usopp train harder and become physically strong enough so that he wouldn't suffer any reprecussions from using the dials." (That's assuming that's even possible in the first place) Not "Usopp needs to stop being so lazy and whiny". That's just being an ass. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle, right?

in fairness, my opinion is my opinion, i presented it as deemed fit within the context of the thread. if there was at all any malice then it was at the tone and sheer existence of the thread and not the character. to say that someone is lazy and/or whiny isn't bashing, it's an opinion. to say someone is an "fing lazy whiny b**d" is bashing.

well as far as i knew, based on previous experiences on this board anyway.

[changsho]

@sabret00the:

in fairness, my opinion is my opinion, i presented it as deemed fit within the context of the thread. if there was at all any malice then it was at the tone and sheer existence of the thread and not the character. to say that someone is lazy and/or whiny isn't bashing, it's an opinion. to say someone is an "fing lazy whiny b**d" is bashing.

well as far as i knew, based on previous experiences on this board anyway.

No, see, based on "previous experience" on this board, you seem to have a thing against Usopp and everything silly.

And guess what? He's possibly the busiest person on the ship, with all the fixing and inventing.

[GoAnderson]

I'll say one thing more on this matter: Don't tempt me, sabre. It's tantalizing enough as-is.

NOW, that said, further bashing in this thread will not be tolerated. What you did was call Usopp a lazy, whiny person, and that, we consider bashing. End of discussion.

[sabret00the]

It seems that i won't even be able to go into this conversation changso as GoAnderson is disapproving, and while i've been told by an Admin that "i've done nothing wrong and wasn't bashing" i don't want to risk it and go head to head with a member of staff.

what i will say is that i've put my issues with usopp behind me, i now respect the guy and think the work ethic he puts in on the ship was admirable, however i feel he was very self centred with it.

anyway maybe one day i'll get to go into my full thoughts on the matter of this, but while i risk the wrate of a moderator, i best not

[GoAnderson]

@sabret00the:

It seems that i won't even be able to go into this conversation changso as GoAnderson is disapproving, and while i've been told by an Admin that "i've done nothing wrong and wasn't bashing" i don't want to risk it and go head to head with a member of staff.

what i will say is that i've put my issues with usopp behind me, i now respect the guy and think the work ethic he puts in on the ship was admirable, however i feel he was very self centred with it.

anyway maybe one day i'll get to go into my full thoughts on the matter of this, but while i risk the wrate of a moderator, i best not

Bolded portion: Was that so difficult? Compare with the below passage.

@sabret00the:

…or usopp could stop being so whiny and lazy and actually work at something than a shortcut and train so his body can handle the impact dials.

I'm saying there's a difference between the two, opinion-expressing and bashing, and your disrespect to Usopp in your first post crossed the character bashing restriction for some, like Cosmic and changsho (and myself, too). It's still your opinion, and you can express it, but… to paraphrase Konis, "Please give your opinion in a less bastardly way or not at all." With the words "I feel", you just took a step towards not being a bad guy, and being a nice guy, so... Good for you! Shing! Nice Guy Pose!

[sabret00the]

@GoAnderson:

Bolded portion: Was that so difficult? Compare with the below passage.

I'm saying there's a difference between the two, opinion-expressing and bashing, and your disrespect to Usopp in your first post crossed the character bashing restriction for some, like Cosmic and changsho (and myself, too). It's still your opinion, and you can express it, but… to paraphrase Konis, "Please give your opinion in a less bastardly way or not at all." With the words "I feel", you just took a step towards not being a bad guy, and being a nice guy, so... Good for you! Shing! Nice Guy Pose!

i don't think we're gonna agree on this GoAnderson, to continue this discussion would only ruin the thread. you feel you're right, as i feel i have the right to construct my posts they way i'd like as long as i'm not bashing and i've just pointed out bashing. either way, you're a mod, i'm not, thus i've withdrawn. i appreciate my posting privilidges more than this thread.

[Voodzik]

@sabret00the:

i don't think we're gonna agree on this GoAnderson, to continue this discussion would only ruin the thread. you feel you're right, as i feel i have the right to construct my posts they way i'd like as long as i'm not bashing and i've just pointed out bashing. either way, you're a mod, i'm not, thus i've withdrawn. i appreciate my posting privilidges more than this thread.

Hey Sabre, your grandma's a whore.

See? It wasn't bashing, i was just stating my opinion!:biggrin:

Seriously though, I wouldn't be this worked up if there wasn't so much Usopp disrespect on the forums already. Respect the nose!:annoy:

[sabret00the]

@Voodzik:

Hey Sabre, your grandma's a whore.

See? It wasn't bashing, i was just stating my opinion!:biggrin:

Seriously though, I wouldn't be this worked up if there wasn't so much Usopp disrespect on the forums already. Respect the nose!:annoy:

the nose makes me feel inadequate, it's like what they say about big feet but doubles

/me curses usopp's pimpability :o(

i hope you didn't mean my favourite grandma btw

[GoAnderson]

Back on-topic (hint-hint), the Impact Dial does internal damage, correct? So… wouldn't the recoil also do internal damage? It's kind of hard to train your blood vessels and nerves to resist damage, so I would presume lifting weights probably won't help lessen the impact of the Dial.

If I had to guess, I'd say Usopp has SOMETHING up his sleeve, if he can wipe the snot off his nose when Jabura wakes up. It may not even be an Impact, but something more... Usopp-esque, like a tabasco star to the eyes followed by a second to the mouth, and then maybe some sort of projectile with Kabuto. Then again... I don't really know what I'm talking about, so I'll shut up, now.

[changsho]

@GoAnderson:

If I had to guess, I'd say Usopp has SOMETHING up his sleeve, if he can wipe the snot off his nose when Jabura wakes up. It may not even be an Impact, but something more… Usopp-esque, like a tabasco star to the eyes followed by a second to the mouth, and then maybe some sort of projectile with Kabuto. Then again... I don't really know what I'm talking about, so I'll shut up, now.

Oh, definitely. With Kabuto, however, I believe that the usual "harmless but paralyzing" shots (such as the rotten eggs and the tabasco) can be enhanced to be actually damaging…

[GoAnderson]

Your idea of Kabuto enhancing something like eggs and tabasco interests me, but it also confuses me. :molly: Do you mean that the force would be such that it multiplies the simple strength of the attack, or that it would increase the speed? Something else I'm not thinking of, maybe?

Second on the agenda is the exact Dials that Usopp may have put onto Kabuto, or may use in the fight. Does he have an Axe Dial? He seems to have a Heat Dial, as used in Firebird Star. What about Sound and Scent Dials? We know he has those, and knowing that Jabura is a Zoan seems to indicate that this could be useful. For example, Usopp Noise captured by a Sound Dial and replayed endlessly, or a gas-like substance to throw off sight and smell? With heightened animal senses, Jabura may be in for one of the worse matches of CP9.

[changsho]

@GoAnderson:

Your idea of Kabuto enhancing something like eggs and tabasco interests me, but it also confuses me. :molly: Do you mean that the force would be such that it multiplies the simple strength of the attack, or that it would increase the speed? Something else I'm not thinking of, maybe?

Second on the agenda is the exact Dials that Usopp may have put onto Kabuto, or may use in the fight. Does he have an Axe Dial? He seems to have a Heat Dial, as used in Firebird Star. What about Sound and Scent Dials? We know he has those, and knowing that Jabura is a Zoan seems to indicate that this could be useful. For example, Usopp Noise captured by a Sound Dial and replayed endlessly, or a gas-like substance to throw off sight and smell? With heightened animal senses, Jabura may be in for one of the worse matches of CP9.

Consider this: The old peashooter can only shoot ammunition of certain weight and size, while Kabuto, the "GIANT" peashooter has greater power, and can therefore throw heavier stuff. If Usopp encased the egg/sauce in a heavier shell (iron?) it might be able to damage the enemy while still spraying its contents.

Uh, that is, considering he can conjure such ammo. But he did bring out Kabuto out of nowhere ^^

I totally dig that idea of Jyabura's senses being screwed:

Flash dial attacks the eyes, sound dial makes distractions, rotten eggs disables the sense of smell and tabasco attacks the tasting buds…

[Le Lawliet]

@changsho:

Consider this: The old peashooter can only shoot ammunition of certain weight and size, while Kabuto, the "GIANT" peashooter has greater power, and can therefore throw heavier stuff. If Usopp encased the egg/sauce in a heavier shell (iron?) it might be able to damage the enemy while still spraying its contents.

Wouldn't an iron ball choke the person if it was the tabasco star? XD

[changsho]

How bout a cactus star with tabasco in it? Now that hurts, stings and is HOT.
=3

I'm thinking that the iron balls would shatter at impact…

[paptschik]

@changsho:

Flash dial attacks the eyes, sound dial makes distractions, rotten eggs disables the sense of smell and tabasco attacks the tasting buds…

I like that idea…kinda reminds me of Kenshin, that flashback fight, where he was blinded for a while (and kinda cut the wrong person).
Just imagine Jyabura. Can't see, can't hear, can't smell...poor dog at the mercy of the Sogeking...

[Le Lawliet]

@changsho:

How bout a cactus star with tabasco in it? Now that hurts, stings and is HOT.
=3

I'm thinking that the iron balls would shatter at impact…

Well, if they were made out of iron, he could make, let's say halfway around the shell cut but can be put together like those Russian nesting dolls with dolls in them. But I doubt that he'd use something that would choke someone, thereby wasting a perfectly good tabasco star.

The cactus star with tabasco does sound like a good idea….

[GoAnderson]

An iron carapace to shield the actual contents of the blow? Sounds COOL. And, it's like Usopp to fight sneaky like that. Assuming that Usopp can actually get the sheet metal and wrap the Stars around it, then it could be a great way to trip up Jabura.

Debilitating an enemy is Usopp's forte, moreso now with the Dials. If he pulls out those, stands up to the wolf Jabura, hopefully makes his speech disavowing his identity as a coward, then that would be just too cool for me. Think about it:

The battle between Sogeking and Jabura is a conflict of style. Where Jabura is a martial artist, Sogeking is a distance-fighter, and a known "coward" in most lay times. Jabura is bold, cocky; Usopp's entire personality in this arc is based around his supposed incompetence, so how PERFECT would it be for him to rip off the Sogeking mask – like you had him do in your comic, changsho -- and, tearful, with shaking frame, vow to protect his nakama, then proceed to whup ass like he did in the Luffy fight?

... or, he could spend a couple chapters running away, which in this case, doesn't seem likely. He's got to stand up, and what better time than after brazenly shooting the FREAKING WORLD GOVERNMENT'S FLAG off the map? He didn't seem scared, there, so I assume he's got something going for him now as Sogeking.

[BeansDooma]

Also, remember that a dog's sense of smell is much more than a humans, so a rotten egg could potentially screw Jyabura up even more.

…Or is that what you were just saying?

[changsho]

@GoAnderson:

… or, he could spend a couple chapters running away, which in this case, doesn't seem likely. He's got to stand up, and what better time than after brazenly shooting the FREAKING WORLD GOVERNMENT'S FLAG off the map? He didn't seem scared, there, so I assume he's got something going for him now as Sogeking.

His courage seems to appear whenever he realized that his nakama in danger. At first, his only motivation to fight maybe the key, but that may change when he realized that if he doesn't win, a nakama maybe lost.

And BAM! Bad pooch. No treat, only death.

[Freddy_Licorice]

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[Freddy_Licorice]

I reckon' Ussop's gonna try and peg it first, but stop about halfway down the hallway and:

Usopp: everyone is fighting so hard, yet…im running away? Im gonna beat this guy, so i can stand up straight like a man. with a DON!

Tom: achoo!

[Phlemingo]

Wasn't that done already with Chuu about 250 chapters back?

[Deblas]

@Phlemingo:

Wasn't that done already with Chuu about 250 chapters back?

Not only with Chuu. With Usopp's fights. It's always like that.

[Phlemingo]

True, but with Chuu it was the only one where he had the self reflection about being a man . For example, the christmas 4 fight's one was because Luffy got insulted.

[Deblas]

Well the Chuu fight was a mix of being a man and helping Nami though. If you think about it, this one will be like the Chuu fight too. Wanting to prove himself and saving Robin.

[Phlemingo]

Well the Chuu fight was a mix of being a man and helping Nami though. If you think about it, this one will be like the Chuu fight too. Wanting to prove himself and saving Robin.

This wasn't even your point that all his fights were like that, so why are you arguing about this? Besides, that's almost exactly what I said.

[Deblas]

@Phlemingo:

This wasn't even your point that all his fights were like that, so why are you arguing about this? Besides, that's almost exactly what I said.

My point was already done when I said that Usopp's fight were always like that. He starts by running away and then something happens that makes him fight Period. My post about Chuu's fight being a mix is a whole other thing.

And I'm not arguing. You said that he fought Chuu because he had self reflection of being a man. I just added that he wanted to help Nami too and that the fight against Jyabura will be more like that one than the Merry Christmas one. Geez, not everything has to be an argument you know.

[Phlemingo]

Granted. I'd like to add that I really hope he won't run away this time.