3 arrested for alleged unauthorized Net distribution of manga

[CHiZZoPs]

I hope this wasn't our man. :ohmy:

http://www.crisscross.com/jp/news/364197

FUKUOKA ― An Internet cafe owner in Tokyo and two other people were arrested Tuesday on suspicion of posting popular manga comics on an Internet site without the consent of the authors and publishers, the police said. The arrests, the first in Japan related to Net distribution of manga, came after the "cyberpatrol" unit of the Fukuoka prefectural police found suspected violations on a website dubbed 464.jp in October last year, according to the police.

That "464" in the web address translates as "yomu yo"

[warp]

agreed….oh man lets hope battle franky relases the chapters or else oh shit

[BatDan]

Damn, even though that is a crime. It's rare to get caught.

[Mr. Sy]

Well, Battle Franky was posting sometime today. I think he's all right.

[Cap'n Carter]

Uh, Battle Franky lives in australia. A little out of their jurisdiction.

[BatDan]

I know BF lives in Australia. But who's CHIZZoPs refferings to?

[Onigumo]

Even IF BF was posting today, it doesn't mean that it wasn't the people doing the posting. I think BF just knew where the RAWS were posted, and gave them to us. So we won't know until Wednesday or Thursday if it was BF's source. And even if it wasn't them, this incident might have shaken the people who DO post for us enough that they would back off.

[Voodzik]

Frankly, I always feel a little guilty downloading anyway…I tell myself I'm gonna go live in Japan next year (which I am) and buy Jump ever week (which I am) to make up for it but still.....

[joekido the Second]

Oh crap, then posting camera pic spoilers are at risk. The spoiler guy at 4chan may get arrested

[Cap'n Carter]

If worst comes to worst, there's always scanning directly from bought copies of Jump and cleaning them up.

And there's a small chance it was the OP guys. This said that 3 peole were arrested; there's like hundreds of manga being serialized today, they could've been distributing anything.

[Zephos]

I'd feel guilty, but hey, tankos.

[sabret00the]

well, expect a very slow week in terms of anime is what i say.

[Phenomenol]

Well damn, damn damn damn….

[CHiZZoPs]

I wonder if 464.jp is where he usually gets 'em…

[Kaizoku Hunter]

I wonder if you can get in trouble for putting direct links up to like rapidshare and megaupload…

I have them on my site for Hajime no Ippo..but I don't live in Japan, so I doubt they'll be after me.

Hell if they were going to go after anybody it would be the people at stoptazmo.com

Those guys have everything for direct dload.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

@Kaizoku:

I wonder if you can get in trouble for putting direct links up to like rapidshare and megaupload…

I have them on my site for Hajime no Ippo..but I don't live in Japan, so I doubt they'll be after me.

Hell if they were going to go after anybody it would be the people at stoptazmo.com

Those guys have everything for direct dload.

They'd probably only be concerned about a site hosting downloads of the Japanese versions, scans in English, while still illegal, wouldn't be as troubling, since the Japanese people who would be buying Jump wouldn't get much use out of them(unless they were fluent in English).

Of course, going after websites that host downloads is probably not going to happen, at least not at the current time. Its also a pretty bad idea, because other websites will just start hosting them, or people will use P2P technology.

The idea would be to stop them at the source, but as long as people own cameras or scanners and can get manga, that can't happen either.

[oceanizer]

Those three runs a manga cafe, where people can come and read as much as manga you want with certain fee. I don't think people who provide us raws are those guys. HOWEVER, it's most likely that those guys will chicken out. Well, we'll see.

By the way, those guys didn't get caught until they start to earn money (this year). Before that, they received warning publishers but they just ignored it.

Following manga-ka sued him:
Akamatsu Takeshi, Akimoto Osamu (Kochi Kame), Adachi Mitsuru (Touch), Ichijo Yukari (Yukan Club), Inoue Takehiko (Slam Dunk), Urasawa Naoki (Monster, 20th CB), Shigeno Shuuichi, Takahashi Rumiko (Inuyasha), Fujisawa Tohru (GTO)

My question for you would be:
If Oda is included in one of the above, would you stop leeching off of the net and go buy your own copy? Obviously he wouldn't want to you to read off the net.

Even without that, I encourage you to buy Tanko, whether it be Japanese version or whatever language you can get. At least one volume. … Yeah.

They'd probably only be concerned about a site hosting downloads of the Japanese versions, scans in English, while still illegal, wouldn't be as troubling, since the Japanese people who would be buying Jump wouldn't get much use out of them(unless they were fluent in English).

Some people do care. I used to host English scanlated manga online (which is not licensed at where I live), but the author didn't like it and he gave me an email through his publisher and/or legal person. They did say if I don't follow their request, they'd sue me. I asked permission for putting some images and translated text script, but they said no for those as well. I talked more about it here:
http://oceanizer.livejournal.com/65163.html

[Kaizoku Hunter]

I guess I'll keep mine up then until I get noticed by Morikawa or Kodansha.

Yeah it's a tough situation for us American fans to be in that aren't near any major Japan towns or whatnot for these new releases.

[Khoga]

i doubt this will continue…the cost and effort wasted on trying to find people uploading manga could be used elsewhere...solving more important things. (eg: murders/kidnappings/attacks, etc) Bootlag never dies...it hides, but doesn't die.

[Bloodfoot]

Hammer's got to fall someday, I suppose.

[CosmicDebris]

Hm, it will be interesting to see if things do slow down for a bit out of fear of getting caught.
BTW, I do buy hard copies. I just like reading the scans online because that's the only way I can read them so soon after release.

[ooshi78]

battle franky finds the raws online. he isn't the one who's scanning stuff.

ooshi78

[the14u]

@ooshi78:

battle franky finds the raws online. he isn't the one who's scanning stuff.

ooshi78

exactly. so he's not guilty but still if I would be living in Japan or any place where I can get the manga I will prefer buying One Piece than downloading. Don't know/care about other manga

[oceanizer]

He is guilty for distributing it. Most likely everyone else's guilty for downloading it without owning the hardcopy.

[Kaku1980]

@oceanizer:

He is guilty for distributing it. Most likely everyone else's guilty for downloading it without owning the hardcopy.

It's the same like sharing movies or Songs per emule oder torrent. since you get ourself something for free that usually costs money.

the problem is that I wouldn't get it anyway else since they don't sell shonen here in Germany. and the last Volume i was able to buy was nr. 37 so i would have to wait a long time to catch up… :sad: and would never be up to date.

[oceanizer]

@Kaku1980:

the problem is that I wouldn't get it anyway else since they don't sell shonen here in Germany. and the last Volume i was able to buy was nr. 37 so i would have to wait a long time to catch up… :sad: and would never be up to date.

You can use http://sasugabooks.com. They do deliver to Germany, my friend uses it (No, not forcing you but showing you the option.)

[Monkey Spirit]

It had to happen right before the EL fights started, didn't it? u_u

[joekido the Second]

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[Tsulala]

I agree wholeheartedy with CosmicDebris. The only reason I read the online scans is that we're only at vol. 30 in Sweden and we have to wait two months between releases… Which means that it'll be a loooong time before we catch up with Japan. Other than that the translation here is pretty good and I buy it as soon as I can. To be honest, I really prefer to hold the book in my hand rather than reading it on a computer screen.

BTW The publishing of manga (and other comics) in Sweden has gotten a little better since Dragon Ball was released here, and One Piece is very popular. As for anime though, our market is pretty much limited to Studio Ghibli, Pokemon and Yu Gi Oh (shivers as the last one is mentioned) so the chanses for us ever getting the OP anime is probably non existant. On the other hand, I'm not sure it's an entirely bad thing after hearing about the 4kids horror. All too many people still seems convinced that manga and anime are for children...

[sabret00the]

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[dewagila]

i read online onepiece manga, because in indonesia, the latest vol is 34, so i read onepiece online manga, but if vol 35 is out, i will absolutely buy one.

[Kaku1980]

@oceanizer:

You can use http://sasugabooks.com. They do deliver to Germany, my friend uses it (No, not forcing you but showing you the option.)

Thanks I did not know that!

then i only need to learn reading Japanese an i don't need this forum anymore :biggrin: or i will just call my exgirlfiriend in tokio if she can translate it for me all the time
(so using this forum is more conivient to me but really thanks for the link ill check if I'll get me some manga from there

[Desperado]

@oceanizer:

You can use http://sasugabooks.com. They do deliver to Germany, my friend uses it (No, not forcing you but showing you the option.)

There are even faster methods if you life near Duesseldorf, however ap
is still fastest.

[d3adpool]

Said, and even if Oda was in the list of mangakas that asked for the cofeeshop to stop using his manga i would try to continue to read OP beforehand. I recently bought all brazilian editions just to make me feel a little bit better for illegal usage of his work, not sure how much money he got from the 4 dollars for volume here…

[StrawHatLuffy]

Moved to General Discussions.

Woot my first "move" since like.. forever.

[BatDan]

Thing is, I'm trying to buy raw tankos but Sasuga is so damn slow. So waiting is a bitch.

After hearing this, maybe Stoptazmo isn't exactly the best place to hang around anymore.

[GoAnderson]

@sabret00the:

lol lol lol

Wow, that had to be the deepest post I've yet seen upon these boards. Congrats.

–-

In terms of the arrests, this could mean deep shit for the people scanning... maybe even us, if they decide to take it that far. If they come all the way to freakin' Illinois to arrest me, though, that would just be too damn funny.

[thelousy]

If they come to AP forums. They have to go AROUND the world to arrest thousands of people ripping of the OP manga. And MSN groups like onepiecemangav3, narutomangareturns and -bleach- is screwed.

[Ivotas]

@oceanizer:

He is guilty for distributing it. Most likely everyone else's guilty for downloading it without owning the hardcopy.

Juristically spoken you´re absolutely right but philosophical the question remains if there is really a victim if japanese raws are shared among people who don´t speak japanese. I dare to say that the vast majority of the non-japanese speaking fans who read the raws would never buy the raw stuff anyway. I do buy the tanko´s, I do buy the german versions, I do buy the Logs even because I want to own them and I want to support Oda. But I don´t think that the majority of the non-japanese speakers does that.

The philosophical question I´m asking here is, how many non-japanese speaking fans would buy the original stuff if there would never be raws on the net? I don´t think that there´s a big market for this.

If the raws are spread within a japan then this would be problematic because that´s a big market there which would make a big loss. No doubts there.

However I´d just like to second what Ocean said before by saying that you should go out and by the tanko´s. No matter if original or the translations but support your favorite mangaka´s by bying their works.

[Aoi Neko]

Okay, I have a question also. I read the OP manga on MSN Groups. I do that, because SJ is way behind on what chapter that I'm currently on, and I don't want to read far behind on that current chapter. It would take years for SJ to catch up with me. Would it be illegal to read the manga on the Internet, though? Also, I am going back to buying the manga series.

[Yiddiddy]

@Nicole:

Okay, I have a question also. I read the OP manga on MSN Groups. I do that, because SJ is way behind on what chapter that I'm currently on, and I don't want to read far behind on that current chapter. It would take years for SJ to catch up with me. Would it be illegal to read the manga on the Internet, though? Also, I am going back to buying the manga series.

That's basically the reason I read the scans, SJ takes 3 months for one issue. Heck by the time they get to Alabasta it will be 2010:mellow:

And even when I found the scans I still bought the manga, to have it on the go, and sort of a memoir(spelling?) when I get older :biggrin:

And if it is illegal they'll go after the people who scan it long before the people who read it. As said before they'd have to travel the WORLD to arrest everyone, which seems like a waste of manpower if you ask me.

[StrawHatLuffy]

Well for my case, I usually start a manga addiction online. I'll read the scans online and then evaluate if it is worth the money to buy the tankos. And most of the time, I buy what I read… Like One Piece, Bleach, Fullmetal Alchemist and Death Note to name a few.

And it is illegal to read and scan/translate them for free anyway... It's basically about the infringement of intellectual properties.

[Yoska]

@CHiZZoPs:

"cyberpatrol" unit

A thought job, you have to surf the net all day long.

Over years I've bought up to 35 volumes of OP but I've become somewhat regretting it. In the end it really wasn't money worthy. If I do feel a need of supporting an artist, I would do it for somebody that isn't already rich - art and media should be free for everybody anyway.

[Caracal]

Like StrawHatLuffy, I've used scanlations as a way of judging a series to see if it's one I want to continue reading. And like Nicole Louis and Yiddiddy I've used it to get ahead of Viz to see what's going to happen next. Generally I view scanlations as an option I may consider if I feel in the mood, although I still want to buy the manga. I like supporting the creator and enjoy having the manga in my hand to read where and when I want.

[Bounty1Berry]

@Yoska:

A thought job, you have to surf the net all day long.

Over years I've bought up to 35 volumes of OP but I've become somewhat regretting it. In the end it really wasn't money worthy. If I do feel a need of supporting an artist, I would do it for somebody that isn't already rich - art and media should be free for everybody anyway.

I wish there was a way to buy the "rights" to the content without the associated physical media. You'd then have legal authority to download a copy of a scanlation of your choice, or a raw and a corresponding script (if the author permitted)

To me, it's probably worth about a dime a chapter, which is probably more than the author sees by me buying a book anyway.

[Strange_One]

Personally, I don't feel guilty. I own English 1-9, along with a crapload of English Shonen Jumps. I've bought all of the English version One Piece I possibly can (besides Color Walk), and I also plan on buying some Japanese tankos. I see nothing wrong with viewing manga on-screen at the MSN site when neither I nor the site creators make a profit. Also, like it's been said, scanlations can help a property become popular and lead to it have a better reception when it's licensed. I own a CD with volumes 1-16 scanlated on it, but I've bought Viz's translations of 1-10 because I think they did a relatively good job and I support them along with Kubo.

[Malintex_Terek]

@Yiddiddy:

That's basically the reason I read the scans, SJ takes 3 months for one issue. Heck by the time they get to Alabasta it will be 2010:mellow:

…did you just say three months for one issue?!

x.X;;

[Bounty1Berry]

Well, at about 3 chapters per issue, it's more like 3 months per tankoban-equivalent.

They seem to issue 3 to 4 volumes a year.

[Yiddiddy]

@Malintex_Terek:

…did you just say three months for one issue?!

x.X;;

Not SJ issues that's monthly

One Piece Volumes take three months to come out.

[Malintex_Terek]

Three months per tanko is the minimum progression for any American manga; I'm glad to see that Viz at least maintains that. However, it's an extremely bad thing that 4Kids has progressed so far ahead of the manga; I mean, we just found out about the "Will of D" with chapter one hundred's serial, right? 4Kids will be at Water 7 in 2008 at most, but Alabasta in 2010? I've said it before; One Piece is dead in America. ~.~