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      Alright, it's time we sat down and tried to hash out what the hell these five crazy geezers think they're doing. Are they good? Are they evil? How are they appointed? How do they get their gigantic facial hair to stay in place (especially the extremely round one?)

      My theories are as follows:
      1: There are five because there's one from East Blue, one from West blue, etc, and one from the grand line
      2: They're all 1,000 years old and have been running things since the fall of the old kingdom, may even have been the cause of the fall of the old kingdom.

      Those are just wild theories though. Any others?

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        Alright, it's time we sat down and tried to hash out what the hell these five crazy geezers think they're doing. Are they good? Are they evil?

        Amoral most likely. They do whatever they think is necessary to maintain the World Government, regardless of whether it would be defined by the general public as good or evil.

        "We gotta protect our phony-baloney jobs, gentlemen. We must do something about this immediately!"

        How are they appointed?

        Not a clue, but they've apparently been there at least since not that long after Roger was captured.

        How do they get their gigantic facial hair to stay in place (especially the extremely round one?)

        Mustache wax, copious amounts of mustache wax made from baby seals.

        My theories are as follows:
        1: There are five because there's one from East Blue, one from West blue, etc, and one from the grand line

        That's possible; the symbol of the World Government is a star made from five circles, which could represent the five seas of the world. I'd make a slight change to that though and suggest that the symbol represents each Blue while the central star represents Mariejoa specifically rather than the Grand Line itself. It's connected to the others and is the center of the world on several levels.

        2: They're all 1,000 years old and have been running things since the fall of the old kingdom, may even have been the cause of the fall of the old kingdom.

        My speculation is that a Buster Call led by these five men managed to bring down Roger and that they were selected by their predecessors on the basis of that action. The world had changed considerably and faced a new threat from piracy, who better to face that new challenge than the five Vice Admirals who brought down the greatest pirate to ever live?

        Complicating things since 2009.

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          Well, I can't just say they'er pure evil. These guys just don't seems to know what are they'er doing. They don't know right from wrong and wrong from right, they'er in the middle of it and they think everything they do is right while everything they see is wrong. They are like Parisees. So getting rid of them won't solve the world's problems, they just have to retire the WG and let each countries have their own government

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            Each country has its own government.

            The WG seems to hold the only major standing military though. The Marine, not the Gorosei, makes them dangerous. Without a Marine to effect their orders, they'd just be five angry paranoid men, the equivalent of radio talk show hosts. 😄

            The trick might be to sever the Gorosei from the Marine, by perhaps undermining the chain of command… perhaps stir up a coup and hope the three Supreme Admirals know better than the Gorosei.

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              I can picture that now:

              Spandain: Hello, and welcome to another edition of "Chattin' With the Gorosei". I'm your host, Spandain. Well, guys, what's the word?

              Gorosei 1: Thank you Spandain. Let's see… today's agenda is the discussion of Mugiwara Luffy and his crew.

              Spandain: Mugiwara Luffy? The pirate from East Blue with the 100 million bounty?

              Gorosei 2: That's right. Seems he's causing a bit of trouble lately. He's evaded capture several times, and now he's harboring a dangerous criminal.

              Spandain: Nico Robin, right? I remember her... but Mugiwara wasn't the first D to try and save her...

              Gorosei 3: (Stares at Spandain) That's enough, Director. The subject of Jaguar D. Saul - or the Ds, for that matter - is not for public discussion.

              Spandain: Oh, er... right.

              Gorosei 4: Anyway, we've devised a method to catch Mugiwara. It's just a matter of time before things fall into place.

              Gorosei 5: Yeah, we still need to work out the finer details with Grand Admiral Sengoku.

              Spandain: Well, we'd all love to hear about it, but that's all the time we have for today! Tune in next week for the Gorosei's amazing plan to catch Mugiwara Luffy!

              I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                Is Sengoku one of the Gorosei?

                Or is he the head Admiral?

                I never quite understood where he fell.

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                  Head admiral. (twenty characters)

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                    I doubt they used a Buster call in Roger.
                    From the way they were speakeing about it in the Flashback, it seemed quiet new.

                    WG is corrupt, those men are evil.

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                      I guess I´ll quote myself then instead of rewriting it:

                      _"…I actually think that there´s a connection to the WG insignia and the Gorousei. If you look at it the WG insignia has those five orbs that are connected. I always thought that those four outer orbs represented the four Blues, and the lines that connect them are the Grand and Red Line. The final orb could stay for the place were everything is connected = Maryjoa.

                      To get the transfer to the Gorousei, maybe each one of them is a representative on one of the Blue´s and the fith one is a Maryjoa resident. Maybe that´s how the candites for the Gorousei are selected. :hmm: "_

                      Other than that they seem to corrupt power hungry politians. When they say that the whole world could fall appart if the balance of the Three Powers gets disrupted then I´m sure that´s not a lie. However that is their point of view IMO. The world itself won´t fall appart, but the politic structure they built up for the world would fall appart. As powerhungry polititians they can´t let that happen so they sell it as if the entire world gets destroyed then.

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                        I think Buster Call has made after Gol D. Roger to make people not want to challenge W.G. and Ohara where the first ones to try the new power (and also served has example to all the others that plan to go against W.G. )

                        I agree with Ivotas on the each Gorousei being a representant of each Blue and one being a Maryjoa home resident (maybe descendebt of the ones that took down the ancient kingdom)

                        And that makes a possiblity that one of the Gorousei might actually be Luffy's grandfather XD

                        Also they are corrupt and use every means possible to have things go like they want to (there actually a good example about that "Ohara")

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                          I think that they are all people who are appointed to the job by their fellow WG comrades, they vote for people they think are suitable.

                          But, I don't think they are all appointed at the same time, there are five members, when one passes away another person is voted in to take their place and so forth. So some of them have been there longer then others, you could be able to tell by the length of their facial hairXD.

                          I also believe that they would not use force if it wasn't needed. They are happy to let the most dangerous pirates roam the world without worry and with the Ohara incient, I feel they didn't want to have to use the Buster Call but were made to because of obligations to their job, that they had to deal with any people who go against the rules set out by the original government.

                          Also, reguarding the symbol of the world government, I think hat the two lines represent the Grandline and Redline, with the dots maybe symbolising the Gorousei. Now that I look back at it, I think that Whitebeard's symbol might have something to do with the WG Symbol, like how the swastica was seen as a "broken" cross, the symbol for Whitebeard could be a "broken" version of the WG symbol, showing how he is opposed to them, just a thought.

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                            I like the idea that both…..each one represents a sea.
                            And that the WG insignia represents the same.

                            Good speculation.

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                              They do what they think is best. They are trying to make good choices and help the world. Atleast thats how I see it.

                              They might not be good people but I doubt they are evil.

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                                But how did Roger learn to read Ponyglyphs? Probably a person from Ohara.

                                That's why Ohara was considered dangerous well before it's destruction.

                                Or something like that, I'm stupid.

                                What? Failing is hard work, too.

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                                  Roger could probably decipher poneglpyhs because of his "D" heritage.

                                  Yes, I know it's filler and doesn't count, but when Zoro and Chopper find the poneglyph in the desert, the conversation goes like:

                                  Zoro: "What is a thing like this…"

                                  Luffy: "doing here?"

                                  If Oda had put that in the manga, that would've been the best indication that the D's CAN read the poneglpyhs. Perhaps it's a naturally inherited ability or something. Or maybe Roger's father could read them.

                                  Olivia may have met Roger during her travels, who knows?

                                  Btw, I think Roger gave himself up in exchange for his nakama. During his execution, none of his nakama are mentioned, the ship isn't mentioned, and Roger is smiling, accepting death. Something's not right when it comes to the "D's" dying.

                                  I think the Gorosei are involved with Roger's death. But not directly, per-se. What I think was that whatever they did to the Lost Kingdom created some kind of reactive material that proves fatal to anyone who comes in contact with it.

                                  If Whitebeard found it too, that would explain why he's so sick. It doesn't necessarily have to be Nuclear Fallout; There are a lot of natural and artifical elements besides heavy radiation that can be fatal to humans (Lead fumes, mercury, carbon monoxide, etc.).

                                  I think the Gorosei are actually the richest businessmen in the world; those that obtained a massive wealth and used it to literally "buy the world". The ancient kingdom could be their "One Piece" from which they get their money; If Skypeia was a "City of Gold", I can imagine the lost kingdom being a "City of Diamond" or "City of Gems" in general.

                                  I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                    The problem is most people are using the WG as an major antigonist while the SH pirates are protagonist that must defeat the WG to end the story

                                    this cliche can be found in some video games you play, that a protagonist must defeat a antigonist to end the game. Oda was doing his best to aviod that chiche by not having to put so much fouces on the Gorosei.

                                    Oda does not want to end the story with the downfall of the WG, he wants to end it in a differant way.

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                                      Well we don't know enough about the Gorousei, to assume that everyone wants to see the end of the WG. The only thing that leads us to the thought the WG might see an end is with Dragon and his "revolution" idea that the WG see as a worry to them.

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                                        The problem is most people are using the WG as an major antigonist while the SH pirates are protagonist that must defeat the WG to end the story

                                        this cliche can be found in some video games you play, that a protagonist must defeat a antigonist to end the game. Oda was doing his best to aviod that chiche by not having to put so much fouces on the Gorosei.

                                        Oda does not want to end the story with the downfall of the WG, he wants to end it in a differant way.

                                        Ah yes, of course! I forgot, you know what's going on oda's head at all times, we should have asked you! How silly of me!

                                        That said, I personally think the WG will end up becoming the major antagonist out of necessity–because once Luffy is the pirate king, they'll hunt him down forever.

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                                          I don't know.

                                          There are other ways to cast the WG down than having the Strawhats and supporters go head-on with them.

                                          I can imagine the WG collapsing WHILE the final acts of One Piece are playing, but the discovery of the treasure being more an "icing on the cake" moment, perhaps showing the world that the pirates have truly eclipsed the WG as potential authority figures.

                                          I think the whole house of cards will drop when the Buster Call occurs. It WILL fail, and it will give the WG a terrible black eye. Nations resentful of their treatment by the WG will begin to feel less threatened by their military might. It might become a matter of "does the WG have the resources to fight wars everywhere if several member states now say they're fed up?"

                                          So in a way, I could see the Strawhats actually getting LESS Marine resistance than you'd expect in the longer term because the Marine is about to be drained.

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                                            I forgot what most of them looked like, does anyone have a picture of them?

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                                              @Ral:

                                              I forgot what most of them looked like, does anyone have a picture of them?

                                              You mean the Gorousei? If yes, here´s a picture of them.

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                                                  @Ivotas:

                                                  You mean the Gorousei? If yes, here´s a picture of them.

                                                  I always thought that old lady was one of them? Who was she who told Doflamingo to stop?

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                                                    She is the Vice Admiral of the Marine Headquaters, Chief Advisor Tsuru.

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                                                      Was it the one that looks like a bearded Iceburg that gave the order to kill Clover?

                                                      He seems to be the youngest of the Gorosei. All the others seem ancient.

                                                      The one with the mustache has the same Mustache Roger had. Coincidence?

                                                      It would be an interesting plot twist if Roger decided to become Pirate King against his father's (A world leader's) wishes.

                                                      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                        Define Good or Evil. There only Moral standing grounds.

                                                        They do what they do what they do. Make sure the world runs smoothly without tomany hiccups.

                                                        And as to how there appinoted i guess its something like the U.S supre court you problay get apointed by that collection of kings and you have a life time job

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                                                          @Fire Fist:

                                                          Was it the one that looks like a bearded Iceburg that gave the order to kill Clover?

                                                          He seems to be the youngest of the Gorosei. All the others seem ancient.

                                                          The one with the mustache has the same Mustache Roger had. Coincidence?

                                                          It would be an interesting plot twist if Roger decided to become Pirate King against his father's (A world leader's) wishes.

                                                          Well, you can't really tell which one gave the order. But, the one with the cap, rolled hair, and scarred face looked to be doign most of the talking. And I don't really think

                                                          And the mustache…. it's a mustache. Simple as that.

                                                          "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." - Sigmund Freud.

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                                                            Define Good or Evil. There only Moral standing grounds.

                                                            Well, killing a bunch of old geezers who just wanna sit and read in their library sounds pretty damn evil to me.

                                                            See the thing about evil is that the people doing it never think it's evil, and there's always people who'll say something like "it's just a moral standing ground" who are, in turn, more evil than the people doing the original evil to begin with.

                                                            And part of being evil is that you have full control of your faculties. Hitler, for example, is not someone I would consider evil. I don't think he was good; I think he was out of his fucking gourd. That puts him more in the lines of a particularly malevolent natural disaster than a bastion of darkness.

                                                            However there was another Nazi, who's name I do not remember but he was famous, who calmly wrote down the names, ages, and numbers of something like 10,000 jews (might have been more) in one of the death camps just before they were gassed. He was a calm, quiet, and sane pencil pusher who without thought or care killed thousands of people. He said he did it because "he was just following orders" and said a lot of stuff like "what could I have done?"

                                                            Thats evil, right there. In fact I think saying "It was necessary" after it's all over is more evil than whatever henious act you could possibly have commited beforehand.

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                                                              the guy in the middle looks like Gorbachev, no? With the scar in his head?

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                                                                Haha! I wasn't the only one thinking of Gorbachev!

                                                                I don't think the Gorousei are "pure evil", in the common definition of the word. When they gave the order for the Buster Call, there was a sihllouette of one of them holding his head in his hand, in a position of regret.

                                                                So basically I don't think they enjoy having to do nasty things to keep their government stable, but they are willing to do it. They're anything but dumb, and they seem to know there's more to the world than black and white. They're certainly not all psycho-happy about the atrocities they pull ala Spandam or Spandaine.

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                                                                  The Gorousei may in fact believe that what are doing is right just like most Mariens but their in lies the problem.

                                                                  They believe that whatever they do is right.

                                                                  They've detached themselves from reality and no longer feel that they have to answer to the rest of humanity's feelings.

                                                                  The ideal of "Absolute Justice" shows thier arrogance.

                                                                  Nothing is absolute.>=(

                                                                  They rationallize their nasty actions by saying it is for the good of the world and they don't answer to the people they rule.

                                                                  Kill an eight year old girl who doesn't mean any harm? It's for the good of the world.

                                                                  Frame the worlds greatest shipwright for a crime he that they commited?For the good of the world.

                                                                  Lie about the events a Alabasta? It's for everyones safety.

                                                                  Wheather they are evil or just blind to thier own actions they repetedly have preformed evil acts and don't seem to think that what they have done is wrong.>=(

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                                                                    The Gorousei may in fact believe that what are doing is right just like most Mariens but their in lies the problem.

                                                                    They believe that whatever they do is right.

                                                                    They've detached themselves from reality and no longer feel that they have to answer to the rest of humanity's feelings.

                                                                    The ideal of "Absolute Justice" shows thier arrogance.

                                                                    Nothing is absolute.>=(

                                                                    They rationallize their nasty actions by saying it is for the good of the world and they don't answer to the people they rule.

                                                                    Kill an eight year old girl who doesn't mean any harm? It's for the good of the world.

                                                                    Frame the worlds greatest shipwright for a crime he that they commited?For the good of the world.

                                                                    Lie about the events a Alabasta? It's for everyones safety.

                                                                    Wheather they are evil or just blind to thier own actions they repetedly have preformed evil acts and don't seem to think that what they have done is wrong.>=(

                                                                    You know what littleredstrawhat, I agree completely. Or more you agree with me completely (see my above post) but what the hell it works both ways. Journey on, power brother!

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                                                                      Haha! I wasn't the only one thinking of Gorbachev!

                                                                      hey, definitely not the only one.

                                                                      i was just thinking how good had been gold roger. i think before he appeared, the world government was just doing its shit, hiding what had to be hidden and somehow making the citizens believe they were in security. then the pirate king came, was captured and with just one sentence he completely fucked up what the WG was doing. they try looking cool but that great age of piracy is what could have happened the worst to them.

                                                                      we know that luffy is not afraid to die, so he smiled at the city of the beginning and the end, but maybe roger was also smiling because he was thinking of the mess he might still cause after his death.

                                                                      i don't like when i forget that the characters are not REAL PEOPLE. XD

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                                                                        hey, definitely not the only one.

                                                                        i was just thinking how good had been gold roger. i think before he appeared, the world government was just doing its shit, hiding what had to be hidden and somehow making the citizens believe they were in security. then the pirate king came, was captured and with just one sentence he completely fucked up what the WG was doing. they try looking cool but that great age of piracy is what could have happened the worst to them.

                                                                        we know that luffy is not afraid to die, so he smiled at the city of the beginning and the end, but maybe roger was also smiling because he was thinking of the mess he might still cause after his death.

                                                                        i don't like when i forget that the characters are not REAL PEOPLE. XD

                                                                        Well since technically anything that can be thought of does in fact occur in some reality, there is in fact a universe where they are real people. I know, multiverse theory can be a real mindbender. :wacko:

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                                                                          They're like George Dubya Buscher and the American Empire but not as dumb.

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                                                                            They're like George Dubya Buscher and the American Empire but not as dumb.

                                                                            What, you mean the only group of people not taking money from racist fascists which means they have to do all the world's dirty work and then put up with being called bastards?

                                                                            Taking money from racist fascits is a shot at the french, the germans, Kofi Annon and his son who ALL turned out to be taking money from Saddam Hussein. And they're the ones who voted against the war. I see a pattern emerging…

                                                                            Maybe your right. Maybe the US should pull out of all it's foreign military holdings. Spain, poland, France, germany, and anywhere else in europe other than Denmark and England will be muslum-ruled in three years, Denmark will join in five. South Korea will get stampeded by the worst civil rights violators since Vlad the Impaler.

                                                                            See, the US goes around and protects all these stupid countries and is then told how evil it is. I wanna see the looks on their faces when we finally pull out and they realize that the only reason they have an economy is that we're paying all their defense bills. When they realize that countries like Iran are just waiting for their chance to march in.

                                                                            I am SO SICK of the W jokes. Want the statistics on Saddam's empire? Right, now this is where you say "but we put him in power to start with!" fine, so we corrected a mistake. And then you say that no nation we've occupied has ever become an economically viable country of it's own….

                                                                            Oh wait except Japan, which is now (thanks largely to us kicking the hell out of their repressive government and helping them rebuild) one of the worlds superpowers.

                                                                            So before you toss around lables like "the american empire" why don'cha do a little research, huh?

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                                                                              What, you mean the only group of people not taking money from racist fascists which means they have to do all the world's dirty work and then put up with being called bastards?

                                                                              Taking money from racist fascits is a shot at the french, the germans, Kofi Annon and his son who ALL turned out to be taking money from Saddam Hussein. And they're the ones who voted against the war. I see a pattern emerging…

                                                                              Maybe your right. Maybe the US should pull out of all it's foreign military holdings. Spain, poland, France, germany, and anywhere else in europe other than Denmark and England will be muslum-ruled in three years, Denmark will join in five. South Korea will get stampeded by the worst civil rights violators since Vlad the Impaler.

                                                                              See, the US goes around and protects all these stupid countries and is then told how evil it is. I wanna see the looks on their faces when we finally pull out and they realize that the only reason they have an economy is that we're paying all their defense bills. When they realize that countries like Iran are just waiting for their chance to march in.

                                                                              I am SO SICK of the W jokes. Want the statistics on Saddam's empire? Right, now this is where you say "but we put him in power to start with!" fine, so we corrected a mistake. And then you say that no nation we've occupied has ever become an economically viable country of it's own….

                                                                              Oh wait except Japan, which is now (thanks largely to us kicking the hell out of their repressive government and helping them rebuild) one of the worlds superpowers.

                                                                              So before you toss around lables like "the american empire" why don'cha do a little research, huh?

                                                                              Exactly. It's funny how America has to fight to help out other countries while SOME parts of the world complain about the help they receive …

                                                                              Getting back on topic, does anyone think the arc after Enies Lobby will be about the World Government and Gorosei? I really think this all needs an explanation from Oda.

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                                                                                Taking money from racist fascits is a shot at the french, the germans, Kofi Annon and his son who ALL turned out to be taking money from Saddam Hussein. And they're the ones who voted against the war. I see a pattern emerging…

                                                                                Even if nations vote against a war because they're corrupt, doesn't mean they were wrong.

                                                                                To bring this back on topic, for comparison, if you bribed the Gorosei to strip Crocodile of his rank, would that suddenly turn him into a good guy and victim? I doubt it. A corrupt move can still be the right one.

                                                                                The Iraq conflict was poorly planned, without the occupying force needed, and little clear plan to "win the peace". It was sold on flimsy evidence, and seemingly nothing could be done to turn it into a legitimate debate; the Americans were going in and nobody would be able to provide enough evidence to stop them. Remember inspections?

                                                                                Maybe your right. Maybe the US should pull out of all it's foreign military holdings. Spain, poland, France, germany, and anywhere else in europe other than Denmark and England will be muslum-ruled in three years, Denmark will join in five. South Korea will get stampeded by the worst civil rights violators since Vlad the Impaler.

                                                                                Perhaps we need to deal with the Muslim world in a different way. Their way of life is very different to the west. The Western nations "grew past" a completely religion-dominated lifestyle, and maybe the trick to peace is soft-selling them on that. If we get them to the point where people like bin Laden are not able to RESONATE, we win that way.

                                                                                The DPRK is weird, I'll admit that. In a way, I admire their fiercely independent streak. Kim Jong Il is a Spandam. (Why am I expressing the entire foreign affairs in terms of OP) The only thing you can really do is wait and not make sudden moves, because he has virtually nothing to lose, and has the bomb.

                                                                                I am SO SICK of the W jokes. Want the statistics on Saddam's empire? Right, now this is where you say "but we put him in power to start with!" fine, so we corrected a mistake. And then you say that no nation we've occupied has ever become an economically viable country of it's own….

                                                                                Actually, it's where I say "If we go after Hussein for human rights violation, we take on a moral imperative to go after every nation with similar abuses." There's no way we'd do that, just because we could never piss off China like that.

                                                                                Oh wait except Japan, which is now (thanks largely to us kicking the hell out of their repressive government and helping them rebuild) one of the worlds superpowers.

                                                                                Actually, probably it's in part because they were able to build an industrial infrastructure from square one after the war. They could adopt best practices across the board, while other nations had old machinery, old thinking, and old standards. Notice how Germany also gained great industrial respect after WWII. Same stor.

                                                                                We need to stop thinking of foreign policy in terms of short-term benefits, and return to believing in our stated principles and working accordingly. No exceptions. No "we'll take this lesser of two evils".

                                                                                We created the Taliban Afghanistan for short-term gain (defeating the Soviets in the late 80s).

                                                                                We created Saddam for short-term gain (to spite Iran)

                                                                                We burned any goodwill we had in many parts of the world for short-term gain by tipping over leftist leaders during the Cold War.

                                                                                We talk about freedom and democracy, then tear our hair out when democracy procudes a different answer than we want and start pondering how we can cope.

                                                                                Basically, American foreign policy is Marine Justice. We need Real Justice. (did I actually say that? o.O)

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                                                                                  Maybe your right. Maybe the US should pull out of all it's foreign military holdings. Spain, poland, France, germany, and anywhere else in europe other than Denmark and England will be muslum-ruled in three years

                                                                                  THE ULTIMATE CONSEQUENCE!!!!!

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                                                                                    Hey, this isn't an American politics discussion! It's about the fictional One Piece politics!

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                                                                                      What Satsuki said…
                                                                                      I'm sure there are people here of every political viewpoint on this board. If you want to discuss politics, go to a board on a site that discusses politics. Try not to compare events and characters to current political situations. Because even if we disagree on real world events, we can still enjoy talking about a great serialized story without mucking it up by comparing it with real world issues.

                                                                                      There have been times when I wanted to make a comparison to the real world, but I chose not to because I didn't want to start a political discussion on this board.

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                                                                                        What, you mean the only group of people not taking money from racist fascists which means they have to do all the world's dirty work and then put up with being called bastards?

                                                                                        This is hardly the time or place for a political discussion, however, I cannot let this comment pass without providing this image:

                                                                                        Metaphor and reality all in one.

                                                                                        It's patently ridiculous to claim that this government isn't freely taking money from elements that espouse values contrary to everything that America stands for and often urge violence against people who disagree with them. For God's sake, that's their political base.

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                                                                                          Maybe your right. Maybe the US should pull out of all it's foreign military holdings. Spain, poland, France, germany, and anywhere else in europe other than Denmark and England will be muslum-ruled in three years, Denmark will join in five. South Korea will get stampeded by the worst civil rights violators since Vlad the Impaler.

                                                                                          You can consider yourself happy that I´m not a mod because for that stupid statement I would surely have suspended you for some time for spreading such propagantic bullshit on the boards. If you believe the crap that is told to you from the US government then fine live in your paraoid world, but please stop spreading the crap around on the web. There might be young members around that would believe that bullshit. :rolleyes:

                                                                                          Your words can be taken as muslim = threat = evil. I´m sorry but that is a stupid and intolerant point of view. Just because there´s is radical fundamentalists among muslims you can´t label the whole large group of them as such. How about the white christian fundametalists, huh? Just google a bit and you´ll find some nice references about that within the USA. Does that mean all white people or all christians are like those fundamentalistic idiots.

                                                                                          I have yet to see the nation, religion or culture that doesn´t have not even one asshole among them. Such a thing doesn´t exist. There´s assholes and sick psychopaths everywhere. You can´t blame the entire people of being like that just because of the negative examples.

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                                                                                          See, the US goes around and protects all these stupid countries and is then told how evil it is. I wanna see the looks on their faces when we finally pull out and they realize that the only reason they have an economy is that we're paying all their defense bills. When they realize that countries like Iran are just waiting for their chance to march in.

                                                                                          Let´s see the US Government walks around and tells how evil other countries are. About how demonic they are and that they want to bring down the civilized world. And then they send troops there to wipe these demons out. I can´t help but feel that this just reminds me of some story where I´ve just read that and there it turned out to be that those guys who did all that propagandic framing where actually the ones that were the bad guys.

                                                                                          I really suggest you to do some constructive thing and critic reflexion of what propaganda the US government spreads. They label a whole large group as evil to create an atmosphere among their own people that will support war. I´m not defending neither Saddam Hussein nor Osama Bin Laden but look at the key words of their propaganda. You´ll find statements like "God is on our side" or "To protect ourselves against the Devils from the West".

                                                                                          Now just compare that to Bush statements. "God is on our side" is actually the exact same statement and "To protect ourselves against the Devils from the East" is almost the same only that you replace west for east. The message they are delivering is the absolute same. So how can one be good and the other evil? It can´t, either they are both good or both evil. If Saddam and Osama woulds say stuff like "Satan is on our side" or "To destroy the forces of good to create a world of pure evil", then you could say that they are proclaming demonic messages. But nobody does such a thing. Except for satanists maybe nobody would support a leader that proclaims such programms.

                                                                                          The true evil thing is that all of them Hussein, Bin Laden and Bush are using people´s faith and cultures to create hate towards the other side. It´s like when a shepherd manipulates his sheeps to do bad stuff. You can´t blame the sheeps for it, it´s the shepherd that´s the bad guy. He should be taken down. However when it comes to fighting it´s the sheeps that suffer and not the shepherds.

                                                                                          The biggest problem is that many of the people in the USA who are pro-let´s-send-our-troops-there don´t have the slightest idea what war actually is. The wars on US territory like the Civil War was a war that was taken out on the battle fields between opposing armies. Pathetic. In a real war the battle field is everywhere. You don´t make differences between a free area and villages, towns and cities. Innocent people aren´t safe anywhere. You can´t say "if I stay away from the battlefield then I´ll be perfectly fine". In a real war everything can become a target of the opponent.

                                                                                          The US history is lacking such an war experience where cities are bombed and destroyed, where you don´t have absolutely nowhere to run, where true war can get you everywhere. That´s why it is easy to say "let´s send troops there" because the own cultural understanding of war means that war avoids to met the innocent. That´s crap.

                                                                                          And don´t even dare to tell me I´m telling crap. I come from a country (Yugoslavia) that experienced two wars in one decade (the 90´s). There was innocent people dying there, I knew innocent people that died back there and I can´t stand it if it comes over here as if only the "evil" guys got hit. I´m at no point defending the radical politics of our leaders. I more then anyone else wanted that the heads of these guys were rolling back then. But sending troops there is no answer. Innocent people died and the leaders still were in charge afterwards. How just is that? But of course nobody cares for that because on the other side of the world the suffering of the people doesn´t get shown.

                                                                                          I´m not trying to give the US American people a bad name. I´m just trying to show a big problem here. If I would believe in propaganda of our leaders then I could easily frame US people as demons. The Clinton government was the main responsibles that brought the NATO to fight a war against Yugoslavia and not all but plenty of the US people supported it.
                                                                                          On our side the propaganda seemed like "We are the innocent ones that get attacked and all the people of the US hate us". And then there´s only those US people shown that supported the war. All those people who demonstrated against it aren´t show because it wouldn´t support the propaganda that tries to establish all of the USA as a demonic nation.

                                                                                          If I fall for that propaganda then I could easily frame everyone from the USA as a demon. And I would be wrong with that. And I seriously suggest you should really start to reflect a little bit about the propaganda with which your government operates. Fight against evil is the fight against the devil within ourselves. There is no such thing as pure evil nations and religions or pure good nations and religions. Within each and everyone of them you´ll find example for both good and evil. But you can´t generalize all as the same. If would be the right way, then I could say that the entire USA is demonic because you have people there that rape little children, psychopath´s that serve satan and mass murderers that eat people. It´s true that such people live in the USA, but I can´t call the entire population demons just because of this assholes.

                                                                                          And same applies to every other country. You just can´t generalize everyone as evil (which is a stupid word in this context anyways) just because of a idiotic minority.

                                                                                          It´s as I always say, use a little self reflection before you point fingers at others and frame them for their mistakes. It might be that your point of view may be not so correct either.

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                                                                                            Why is One Piece becoming Political? When I frist read One Piece, I never though Oda has to use the real story events and put it in his manga for his inspire reasons. I kinda wish One Piece don't have that much real time refrance that can put to much political debates

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                                                                                              Why is One Piece becoming Political? When I frist read One Piece, I never though Oda has to use the real story events and put it in his manga for his inspire reasons. I kinda wish One Piece don't have that much real time refrance that can put to much political debates

                                                                                              I actually like that. There´s many people who don´t get warmed up to political topics that concern them because it doen´t appeal to them. It´s a sad fact. So for my personal tastes different approaches of politic theme´s can be a good thing because people might approach it because the way how the themes are presented appeals to them. It´s a good thing IMO because politic reflexion is very important by my book.

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                                                                                                You can consider yourself happy that I´m not a mod because for that stupid statement I would surely have suspended you for some time for spreading such propagantic bullshit on the boards. If you believe the crap that is told to you from the US government then fine live in your paraoid world, but please stop spreading the crap around on the web. There might be young members around that would believe that bullshit. :rolleyes:

                                                                                                I don't believe everything the US government tells me. In fact, the US government doesn't say what I said at all. I actually had to dig a little oto get the info I used. You, on the other hand, seem to believe everything the press tells you. :rolleyes:

                                                                                                I'm not a bush supporter, and I don't think the war should have been carried out the way it was for the reasons it was. I have no illusions though about muslum culture as it exists no nor do I have illusions about our own. However it does boil down, quite simply, to thwe fact that we suck less.

                                                                                                Also, news flash, we ARE europe's defense policy, have been since WWII. Don't take my word for it, look it up. Use non government resources. The entire reason Europe has such a large wlefare state is that nobody there has to pay for a serious army.

                                                                                                NOW TO GET BACK TO TOPIC….

                                                                                                I would really like to know how the Gorousei get appointed, and their exact role. I think that's going to become very important.

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                                                                                                  I don't believe everything the US government tells me. In fact, the US government doesn't say what I said at all. I actually had to dig a little oto get the info I used. You, on the other hand, seem to believe everything the press tells you. :rolleyes:

                                                                                                  OK, as I´ve said it in my previous edited post I have first hand experiences with correct and false info. Check the part where I´m talking about the war in Yugoslavia. I come from that country and I´ve seen the truth and I´ve seen the bullshit that was spread outside of there so don´t you dare to say such stuff about me if you don´t know facts kid.

                                                                                                  I'm not a bush supporter, and I don't think the war should have been carried out the way it was for the reasons it was. I have no illusions though about muslum culture as it exists no nor do I have illusions about our own. However it does boil down, quite simply, to thwe fact that we suck less.

                                                                                                  Bullshit. Again check my edited post. The "God is on our side" comment shows that both suck equally. It´s not the people that suck, it´s the leaders that suck by using people´s faith to create a pro-war atmosphere. On that topic both parties suck equally.

                                                                                                  Also, news flash, we ARE europe's defense policy, have been since WWII. Don't take my word for it, look it up. Use non government resources. The entire reason Europe has such a large wlefare state is that nobody there has to pay for a serious army.

                                                                                                  Defense against who? I don´t know the exact number but the US military is represented in over 100! countries all over the world. Hello, I haven´t heard of any other country that has so much troops around everywhere else. What gives the US the right to decide whats right or wrong for other countries? That is a sublim form of controlling other nations and putting them under pressure.

                                                                                                  NOW TO GET BACK TO TOPIC….

                                                                                                  You´re the one to talk. You started with this argument and I just replied to it because I couldn´t leave as it was. I never intended for this thread to become politic.

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                                                                                                    OK, as I´ve said it in my previous edited post I have first hand experiences with correct and false info. Check the part where I´m talking about the war in Yugoslavia. I come from that country and I´ve seen the truth and I´ve seen the bullshit that was spread outside of there so don´t you dare to say such stuff about me if you don´t know facts kid.

                                                                                                    Bullshit. Again check my edited post. The "God is on our side" comment shows that both suck equally. It´s not the people that suck, it´s the leaders that suck by using people´s faith to create a pro-war atmosphere. On that topic both parties suck equally.

                                                                                                    Defense against who? I don´t know the exact number but the US military is represented in over 100! countries all over the world. Hello, I haven´t heard of any other country that has so much troops around everywhere else. What gives the US the right to decide whats right or wrong for other countries? That is a sublim form of controlling other nations and putting them under pressure.

                                                                                                    You´re the one to talk. You started with this argument and I just replied to it because I couldn´t leave as it was. I never intended for this thread to become politic.

                                                                                                    I'll leave politics out of it from now on….

                                                                                                    But I owe you an apoligy. I capitolized it so that people who were tired of the political debate would know that the following information was wirth reading. No reproach intended, I promise. Besides, it is my fault this thread got all political anyway. That apology goes for everyone else who thought I was yelling too, sorry.

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                                                                                                      However it does boil down, quite simply, to thwe fact that we suck less.

                                                                                                      With such intelligent statements, I'm always shocked at why the world at large would think Americans are mostly arrogant morons.

                                                                                                      Oh, by the way, The US has nothing to do with Europe's defense policy, and hasn't since the fall of the Berlin Wall. All EU countries have their own standing army and the new constitution will provide for a common foreign policy and defense policy among all EU members. Just because the US military budget is more than ten times greater than that of the next highest spending nation (Russia), that does not mean the comparatively much smaller military spending in individual EU countries results in them being dependant upon the US for defense. It's these arrogant "We're the best" statements combined with ignorance of actual facts that makes the rest of the world despise the US.

                                                                                                      Now, to make this post somewhat on topic, I believe Oda definatly uses real world situations to come up with his story in One Piece. Look at the Gorousei. We have a Jewish looking guy, a European looking guy, a Russian looking guy, an Indian looking guy, and an American looking guy. Now you can argue with my classifications all you want, but is there a single black guy amongst the group of men who rule the world? Just like in the real world…

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                                                                                                        What, you mean the only group of people not taking money from racist fascists which means they have to do all the world's dirty work and then put up with being called bastards?

                                                                                                        Are you trying to say no american leaders have gained from the war in Iraq? Or taken money from these racist facists? please

                                                                                                        Maybe your right. Maybe the US should pull out of all it's foreign military holdings. Spain, poland, France, germany, and anywhere else in europe other than Denmark and England will be muslum-ruled in three years, Denmark will join in five. South Korea will get stampeded by the worst civil rights violators since Vlad the Impaler.

                                                                                                        For one, that is pure conjecture. Two, for some examples, France is a nearly a completly secular country with a distict and clear defination of church and state, Briatin in the last few days has voted against intercarting relgioul rights for a removel of civil rights.

                                                                                                        The only real 'super power' with a frighting intergration of church and state is the old U.S of A. Now tell me why a christen Goverment is that much better then a muslim one?

                                                                                                        Your view on US world poltics is seemigly absloute, just as you said you disagree on.

                                                                                                        Now topic tracks realinging: Could they be top officals from the Cipher Pols? And what exatly do they control? Is its a joint descion to do things or does each Goursi member control a divison ie. One heads marines, one heads shib's etc?

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