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      I dunno if this has been discussed at yet, but I was wondering what your guys opinion of the other 3 admirals are, in terms of their powers. We haven't even seen Red Dog or Yellow Monkey, but we've seen Sengoku, and a frail man like that must have some amazing power, or they wouldn't have made him Supreme Admiral.

      Here's my opinion:

      I think Red Dog ate a Meru Meru no mi, like Ace, and can control fire. That would explain his name. He would have power over fire and be able to burn things. That way, he could counteract Kuzan if he ever got outta line for some reason.

      OR… Perhaps he ate a yajuu yajuu no mi: Model Cerberus. That is, he can turn into a flaming dog that could beat the crap outta stuff. And perhaps he can do a seven-form transformation like Chopper.

      I think Sengoku ate the Shindou shindou No Mi, which allows him to create massive earthquakes and control elemental Earth. This could easily make him the most powerful in the military, and even allow him to make himself invincible by turning himself into solid stone.

      As For Yellow Monkey, I think he ate something similar to Eneru, which allows him to control lightning, but at a much higher level, in which he can actually become lightning. Or perhaps he ate an Oozaru Oozaru no Mi, Model: Spider Monkey, which allows him to attack very quickly. And like Red Dog, he could have mastered a 7 form transformation.

      Personally, I also think Yellow Monkey is Luffy's Grandfather. When Kuzan said he "Dealt" with him long ago, this could mean the admirals never get together much, and his presence is a pain to behold... or something like that. That would explain why Luffy got nervous.

      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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        Who knows? maybe Sengoku's just got that rank cause of brilliant military tactics.

        As for red dog…. who says that red merely means fire? I mean, most people think of water if it's blue, even though ice is a form of water, i'm talking about liquid water. And yellow doesn't necessarily mean lightning. For all we know, perhaps their strengths don't come from Devil Fruits.

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          If Red dog ate a fire fruit and Yellow Monkey a lighting, I'm gonna start to doubt Oda. What the hell, he would never ever in this freakin' world do anything as that cliché. He will not…

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            it wouldn't make much sense to give People powers that someone else already has.

            It could be possible that one of the Admirals has a Water Logia Fruit ability. Then again, one doesn't need a devil fruit in order to be very powerful.
            Whitebeard/Roger are examples of that. Or we can assume they didn't.
            Then again, they could have a DF ability, of a Zoan or Parmecia class. You only need to see Mr.1's ability to see how powerful some Paramecia's can be.

            I am however very curious as to the true power of Sengoku. 1 doesn't become Admiral without being very powerful.

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              **Who said they needed powers?

              Akainu can be called such because he has killed so many pirates people saw blood. Like how zeef was named "Red Leg"

              And I thiought there is only one type of fruit?**

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                there is only one of each fruit. So the only way that they could have those powers is if Ace and Enel are killed, but even so, They've had those titles for some time, not for like a month.

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                  I can´t seem to remember where it was said that there´s only one of each fruit. Is it in one of the SBS?

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                    Hmm…. I do remember hearing it somewhere... but I could be mistaken, but either way, Akainu being fire isn't something that I'd expect Oda to do, cause that could be seen a mile away, and rather dull in my opinion, making a second fire fruit.

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                      I'm pretty sure this has been discussed somewhere…

                      I'm positive it's been said by Oda; only one of any fruit.

                      And Enel DID become lightning. That's kind of how he, y'know, never got hit. Except by the rubber Luffy.

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                          Those are good theories, Master Dee, except for one thing:

                          According to Buggy (I think), the fastest man on the Grand Line is Lucky Roux. Notice that's he thin and muscular now, not fat and luggish, indicating he probably ate some kind of Devil Fruit.

                          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                            Since the admirals rank (next to sengoku) as the greatest powers of the marines, they're most likely logia users, since logia powers appear to be the strongest of all the devil fruit powers.

                            With that in mind here are some possible powers of Yellow Monkey:

                            1. control over light (light is often depicted with the color yellow). By controlling light, the user would be able to control everything his opponent sees, making him the ultimate illusionist. And since it's likely this would be a logia power, the user would be able to disintegrate his body into light and reform his body from light. This would allow the user to move at the speed of light (making him the fastest man in One Piece) and possibly allow him to use light saber like attacks with his body (making him a possible opponent for Zoro).

                            2. control over air (the elemental color of air is yellow). The power of air would make the user appear like the ultimate psychokinetic user. Controlling air allows the user to create vacuums anywhere at will, thus allowing the user to move objects of any size and weight (with large enough vacuums) anywhere he so pleases. As well, increasing the air pressure around an object allows him to crush that object. This power also gives the user the ability to go Darth Vader on someone and choke him/her.

                            Possible powers of Red Dog:

                            1. control over blood. the power is similar to Suitengu's power from Speed Grapher. Think of how a water logia user might be like and replace water with blood.

                            2. the ability to melt things into molten lava, the complete opposite power to Aokiji's freezing ability. He'd also be able to disintegrate his body into lava making him a very difficult opponent to defeat indeed.

                            It's interesting to note that, if Red Dog's power is the power of lava and Yellow Monkey's power is the power of air, then the powers of the three admirals each correspond to the three different states of matter - Aokiji with solids, Red Dog with liquids and Yellow Monkey with gases.

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                              Those are good theories, Master Dee, except for one thing:

                              Huh? Am I seeing things or did Master Dee really didn´t make a post in this thread that you could reply too? I mean ok, he posted afterwards, but there´s no post before yours Fire Fist. Am I getting crazy now or did I catch everything correctly? :wacko:

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                                Trust me Ivotas, I remember that post that Master Dee posted right there before Fire Fist.

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                                  Ahh so I´m not seeing things. Well thanks then. I really thought I was to stupid to find a post in a thread that is still so small. XD

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                                    Huh? Am I seeing things or did Master Dee really didn´t make a post in this thread that you could reply too? I mean ok, he posted afterwards, but there´s no post before yours Fire Fist. Am I getting crazy now or did I catch everything correctly? :wacko:

                                    My post did originally appear before Fire Fist Ace's post. However, I accidentally deleted that post when I wanted to make some edits. Fire Fist Ace must have submitted his reply right before I resubmitted my edited post. Sorry for the confusion.

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                                      I can't remember anything being said about Lucky Roo, unless it was in an SBS. I'll look through them later.

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                                        My post did originally appear before Fire Fist Ace's post. However, I accidentally deleted that post when I wanted to make some edits. Fire Fist Ace must have submitted his reply right before I resubmitted my edited post. Sorry for the confusion.

                                        Ah, that explains it. No need for apologies though. 😁

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                                          I swear I read somewhere that Lucky Roux is the fastest man on the Grand Line… I'll try to find a source from the manga.

                                          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                            I don´t think that it was mentioned anywhere that he´s the fastest. And if for some reason the word fast should have been mentioned in context with Lucky Roo, then it can only have something to do with his eating speed imo. :laugh:

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                                              Who is Lucky Roux again?

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                                                Who is Lucky Roux again?

                                                **Lucky roo is this fellow. The opne that wants men to get ready…..

                                                It wouldbe cool if he was the fastest in the world. I read it somewhere on these forums. But I have no proof.**

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                                                  guy in shanks' crew who always has a big meat in his mouth..

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                                                    Is it just me, or could "fastest" have been a typo for "fattest"? The only bellies I have seen that could compare would be a stuffed Luffy or our favourite filler character, Captain Fatarse…err, Commodore Nelson.

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                                                      That was obvious.

                                                      Well in the End, They might be admirals, that doesn't instantly mean they have to have Logia class fruit. Zoan/Paramecia fruits can be very powerful if Used right. Look Like Lucci, Mr.1 for 2 people. Those are some seriously powerful abilities. Had it not been for Zoro's swords, he woulda been cut to pieces.

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                                                        I think Sengoku ate the Shindou shindou No Mi, which allows him to create massive earthquakes and control elemental Earth. This could easily make him the most powerful in the military, and even allow him to make himself invincible by turning himself into solid stone.

                                                        We had already one opponent with the Element Earth: Crcodile!
                                                        Sand is just one another appearance for it, isn't it?

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                                                        With that in mind here are some possible powers of Yellow Monkey:
                                                        1. control over light (light is often depicted with the color yellow). By controlling light, the user would be able to control everything his opponent sees, making him the ultimate illusionist. And since it's likely this would be a logia power, the user would be able to disintegrate his body into light and reform his body from light. This would allow the user to move at the speed of light (making him the fastest man in One Piece) and possibly allow him to use light saber like attacks with his body (making him a possible opponent for Zoro).

                                                        This theory seems possible and fascinating at the same time! O.o

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                                                          well not really. Sand is just sand.

                                                          The Earth fruit probably does exist- we just have to wait and see it.

                                                          As to weather Sengoku has such a ability- we have to wait and see.

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                                                            With that in mind here are some possible powers of Yellow Monkey:
                                                            1. control over light (light is often depicted with the color yellow). By controlling light, the user would be able to control everything his opponent sees, making him the ultimate illusionist. And since it's likely this would be a logia power, the user would be able to disintegrate his body into light and reform his body from light. This would allow the user to move at the speed of light (making him the fastest man in One Piece) and possibly allow him to use light saber like attacks with his body (making him a possible opponent for Zoro).

                                                            This theory seems possible and fascinating at the same time! O.o

                                                            I like this idea too. I also like the idea of pitting someone like this against Zoro. Since the power is that of light, any dark object would make for a possible counter since dark objects absorb light the most. Isn't Zoro's cursed sword somewhat dark? Still even if Zoro knows how to counter this ability, how to actually cut his opponent remains a huge obstacle since anyone with the light logia ability would be able to move insanely fast, hide himself from sight, and create all sorts of illusions through the manipulation of light. Zoro would then have no choice but to evolve as a swordsman and fight blind like the famed blind Japanese samurai Zatoichi. That is to say he'd have to learn not to rely on his sense of sight but his other senses, perhaps a sixth sense, to defeat his opponent.

                                                            Edit: If Zoro ends up fighting Yellow Monkey, and Luffy ends up fighting Aokiji (this one seems rather obvious), then perhaps Sanji will end up fighting Red Dog. I wonder, because of the name, if Red Dog is not somehow related to Red Leg. Perhaps they're rival of sorts. If so, then this would no doubt set up the fight between Red Dog and Red Leg's protege Sanji.

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                                                              ok, when I think of Akainu and Kizeru, here's what I see:

                                                              The red dog sounds like a beserk swordsman. He's probably a crazy guy who cuts up ships and laughs a lot. Kind of different from the blue pheasent.
                                                              I also picture red dog as a santoryu user, which would be interesting.

                                                              Kizeru sounds to me like an ape-man, like those apes from the Jaya ark. He's shadow looked scrawny but he probably has some powerful strength and those wierd "high eyebrows" Crocodile, Pearl and Bleuno have.

                                                              Sengoku looks like a ultra powerful martial artist. He's definetly got the aurora of a buddist palm fighter. I bet this guy can punch a person six billion times in one second, and I'm not talking about closed fists, I mean those deadly open hand things martitial artists use as they flick back thier ponytails casually and then kill their opponents with their tongue. You know what I mean :laugh:

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                                                                2. control over air (the elemental color of air is yellow). The power of air would make the user appear like the ultimate psychokinetic user. Controlling air allows the user to create vacuums anywhere at will, thus allowing the user to move objects of any size and weight (with large enough vacuums) anywhere he so pleases. As well, increasing the air pressure around an object allows him to crush that object. This power also gives the user the ability to go Darth Vader on someone and choke him/her.

                                                                Are you sure? Elemental colors change from country to country..
                                                                In austria, air is violet, whereas in the USA it might be yellow.. but in Japan? o_o

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                                                                That'd be just like Aizen… quite boring and even more godlike than eneru, if you ask me..

                                                                uh, and about the dfs

                                                                I think Kiji is the Logia user, Akainu uses Zoan (I like the idea of a cerberus..) and Kizaru is a paramecia...

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                                                                  Didnt we see aikinu in a sidestory by the way? That one with Helmeppo in it. or am i wrong? i think it stood 3rd marine base on the ship. And he looked just like a dog. He was named Gurp or something i think…

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                                                                    I believe that there is not only a single Devil Fruit of each type. After all, when they received their Devil Fruits, Kaku and Kalifa tried to identify them by looking a book. CLick here and see that Kaku mentions that they were not in his encyclopedia.

                                                                    Maybe that's how Lucky Lou knew that they had a Gomu Gomu no Mi.

                                                                    That said, however, I don't think that Oda will repeat a power unless he has a strong motive to do so. By repeating the power in a character in the series would make that character unoriginal. Oda just likes to make antagonists that are really unique.

                                                                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                      I like the light idea for kizaru, although we kinda gotta taste for light trick with Nami's fight against mrs doublefinger, the climatact has that sorta feature

                                                                      I wonder tho if we are going to see any more cyborgs

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                                                                        Didnt we see aikinu in a sidestory by the way? That one with Helmeppo in it. or am i wrong? i think it stood 3rd marine base on the ship. And he looked just like a dog. He was named Gurp or something i think…

                                                                        That's Garp, and he's a Vice-Admiral. He's a damn strong guy, too, just to prove a point about how strong the higher-ups in the Navy are. He takes a direct slash from Morgan's Axe and doesn't even flinch.

                                                                        Also, I'm pretty sure Lucky Roo is the FASTEST man in the Grand Line, not the FATTEST. The Fattest Award probably goes to Whitebeard. The dude's like frigging enormous, and he's not even a Giant. Or (Even though it was filler) The Desert Pirate Captain with the Umbrella hat. He was a pretty big guy.

                                                                        Anyway, I think you're right in that Oda wouldn't repeat powers for the other two admirals. That said, I think you're dead on about Red Dog having something to do with Blood instead of Fire. Though it seems unlikely, maybe Oda will take a different route and make him a Paramecium, only with a twist: He ate the yamai yamai no mi, which allows him to infect people by touching them. That would make him a wicked opponent against… well, anyone, really. It would make sense and all, considering Oda's references to real things. "Scurvy Dog", anyone?

                                                                        I still think yellow monkey ate some kind of Zoan... probably some type of monkey (Like a chimp or a spider monkey) that's amazingly fast and therefore incapable of being hit.

                                                                        As for Sengoku, I just thought of something: His name means Civil War. So maybe his power is some kind of negotiation devil fruit: He can cause people to lose their morale, or charm them with his words. On a battlefield, that's the ultimate power, and what makes a commander. Thus, his devil fruit (Or even his natural ability) Just could simply allow him to command people with absolute authority. Even Luffy would have a helluva time standing up to that.

                                                                        I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                          Also, I'm pretty sure Lucky Roo is the FASTEST man in the Grand Line, not the FATTEST. The Fattest Award probably goes to Whitebeard. The dude's like frigging enormous, and he's not even a Giant. Or (Even though it was filler) The Desert Pirate Captain with the Umbrella hat. He was a pretty big guy.

                                                                          Excuse me but how do you define fat? Just because somebody is tremendously big it doesn´t mean that he is fat. Sizewise I´m above average. Does that mean that all the peole that are smaller then me are thin while I am fat? :huh: :wacko:

                                                                          If you want to see a fat guy, look at Yama, but not at a giant that with a sixpack. 😉

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                                                                              Are you sure? Elemental colors change from country to country..
                                                                              In austria, air is violet, whereas in the USA it might be yellow.. but in Japan? o_o

                                                                              I'm talking about the archetypical colors representing the four elements from greek philosophy/mythology and middle age's alchemy - red for fire, blue for water, yellow for air and green for earth. Also, you'll often find these elements (with their associated colors) present in many of your typical RPG's (Japanese and Western) and fantasy stories.

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                                                                              That'd be just like Aizen… quite boring and even more godlike than eneru, if you ask me..

                                                                              The guy's an admiral. It's expected that he'd be godlike and one of the most powerful men in One Piece. Who is Aizen btw?

                                                                              Edit: As for Red Dog being a dog zoan user…. isn't Jyabura already one of those (or was it Lucci that was the dog zoan user?) ?

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                                                                                As for Sengoku, I just thought of something: His name means Civil War. So maybe his power is some kind of negotiation devil fruit: He can cause people to lose their morale, or charm them with his words. On a battlefield, that's the ultimate power, and what makes a commander. Thus, his devil fruit (Or even his natural ability) Just could simply allow him to command people with absolute authority. Even Luffy would have a helluva time standing up to that.

                                                                                I think that would seem too much like Miss Goldenweek's power.

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                                                                                  Excuse me but how do you define fat? Just because somebody is tremendously big it doesn´t mean that he is fat. Sizewise I´m above average. Does that mean that all the peole that are smaller then me are thin while I am fat? :huh: :wacko:

                                                                                  If you want to see a fat guy, look at Yama, but not at a giant that with a sixpack. 😉

                                                                                  **Agreed. Whitebeard is like 1,000 pounds of pure muscle.

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                                                                                  I say Ao-kiji is the only logia user among them. This could be a reson on why he is considered the strongest. Logia users are pretty much invincable. And it doesn't make sense to me that one of the three admirals is so much ahead of the other 2.**

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                                                                                    Edit: As for Red Dog being a dog zoan user…. isn't Jyabura already one of those (or was it Lucci that was the dog zoan user?) ?

                                                                                    Yeah, it's really heavily implied that Jyabura ate one, but that in no way rules out the possibility of Akainu eating another one. There are multiple models of the inu inu fruit: We've also seen the jackal model (Chaka) and the daschund model (Mr. 4's special gun, Lasso). I doubt that we'll see a fourth variant on one of the biggest possible enemies around, though.

                                                                                    Oh, and I'm 99% sure nobody ever brought up Lucky Roux's speed in the series.

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                                                                                      I always thought that each admiral ate a different kind of fruit. Aokiji ate a logia fruit, So the other two ate the other kind of devil fruits.

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                                                                                        Who is Aizen btw?

                                                                                        Guy from bleach.

                                                                                        I still hope that they dont have super Df powers. At least one of them had better just be 'normal'. I like the diplomat idea though i can see that being a good DF or just a damn great skill

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                                                                                          They already have "super DF powers." At least, that's how I view the majority of the ones we've seen, with Ace's and Ao Kiji's etc being super versions of the already super-powers given by devil's fruit.

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                                                                                            Whitebeard isn't fat. That guy is just Huge in terms of his Height. He made Rockstar look like a dwarf.

                                                                                            I still Like to believe that one of the Admirals could have a Water Logia. Or maybe that one could be saved for a Pirate. But you can't rule it out.

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                                                                                              It really doesn't make sense. If it was a liquidish devil fruit power, I don't think they would call it water, because sea water is a devil fruits user's weakness.

                                                                                              I support the theories of Aokiji Logia, Akainu Paramecia and Yellow Monkey (forget the japanese for that) Zoan. It would demonstrate to the fullest human potential combined with devil fruit potential. I think Akainu's Paramecia would be in the same class as Blueno's; as in he affects the environment but not his own body. So, he can effectively use combat skills without a possibly mutated physical attribute. For example, maybe like you guys say, his power is light and illusions, but without the him turning into light part. That would be nice.

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                                                                                                I'm talking about the archetypical colors representing the four elements from greek philosophy/mythology and middle age's alchemy - red for fire, blue for water, yellow for air and green for earth. Also, you'll often find these elements (with their associated colors) present in many of your typical RPG's (Japanese and Western) and fantasy stories.

                                                                                                The guy's an admiral. It's expected that he'd be godlike and one of the most powerful men in One Piece. Who is Aizen btw?

                                                                                                Edit: As for Red Dog being a dog zoan user…. isn't Jyabura already one of those (or was it Lucci that was the dog zoan user?) ?

                                                                                                Of course he's supposed to be godlike.. but there's a difference between godlike power and godlike df

                                                                                                Eating this df makes anybody godlike.. even Coby, Rika… They could easily become Admiral/Pirateking without much training...
                                                                                                I'd hate to get an admiral fighting a mugiwara, who's just admiral because of his luck.
                                                                                                Aokiji's fruit is powerful, too, but without training he simply had no way to become admiral…
                                                                                                If Kizaru really ate this light fruit, he would've reached his rank quite fast... and that would be pretty boring xD

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                                                                                                  I'd rather to see Akainu and Kizaru have Logia's ability, because if they have Paramecia's or Zoan's, i think their power cannot match Aokiji, because i think there are now way that animal can stand again ice, even Polar Bear / Penguin i think can't stand again ice. That's was my humble opinion

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                                                                                                    Uh, wait a moment..
                                                                                                    Lucci told us zoan boosts your strength even more than Logia.. maybe zoan attacks are stronger, but their defense is nothing compared to logia… (Rhino-fruit anyone? xD)
                                                                                                    whereas paramecia could be anything.. Hana Hana no Mi is frickin' strong, Foxy's too.. so.. ôo

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                                                                                                      It really doesn't make sense. If it was a liquidish devil fruit power, I don't think they would call it water, because sea water is a devil fruits user's weakness.

                                                                                                      That argument again. Water is not automatically a DF users weakness. If that would be the case neither Smoker, nor Luffy, nor Alvida, nor Buggy could have used their power in LogueTown when it was raining.

                                                                                                      Furthermore if it would be a DF users weakness then Luffy wouldn´t have covered himself in water to beat Crocodile.

                                                                                                      The weakness effect must have something to do with seastone, hence I think it is only sea water and not freshwater that makes a DF users weakness.

                                                                                                      Crocodile himself doesn´t count here because he´s weak to any liquid not just water.

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                                                                                                      Uh, wait a moment..

                                                                                                      Lucci told us zoan boosts your strength even more than Logia.. maybe zoan attacks are stronger, but their defense is nothing compared to logia… (Rhino-fruit anyone? xD)

                                                                                                      whereas paramecia could be anything.. Hana Hana no Mi is frickin' strong, Foxy's too.. so.. ôo

                                                                                                      I think Lucci was talking about physical fitness. That would include strenght, defense, stamina and all the rest. So going by that zoan definitely make you body the strongest since you get the strength´s (which also includes defenses) of an animal.

                                                                                                      Logias however can be more destructive because the power of lightning is much more then the power of a feline. However elemental powers are not physical powers of living beings. So that´s where I think Lucci draws the line.

                                                                                                      For instance, if you´d have Enel´s power you´d could release a Raigoh that can destroy an entire island, however physically you wouldn´t have the strenght to punch a hole in a wall. 😉

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                                                                                                        That argument again. Water is not automatically a DF users weakness. If that would be the case neither Smoker, nor Luffy, nor Alvida, nor Buggy could have used their power in LogueTown when it was raining.

                                                                                                        Furthermore if it would be a DF users weakness then Luffy wouldn´t have covered himself in water to beat Crocodile.

                                                                                                        The weakness effect must have something to do with seastone, hence I think it is only sea water and not freshwater that makes a DF users weakness.

                                                                                                        Crocodile himself doesn´t count here because he´s weak to any liquid not just water.

                                                                                                        i think it's pretty clear that only sea water make df users weak, and that seastone is a special material that has the properties of water. (maybe is it made by h²o molecules)

                                                                                                        BUT, and of course there's a but, chopper was a hammer in the water-clouds in skypiea. does it mean these particular clouds, where skysharks can swim, also possess the properties of sea water? who knows…

                                                                                                        if any type of water was bad to df users, they couldn't drink anything else than oil XD

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