@Ivotas:
It would probably have been as effective as if he would have used storm with water.
Not necessarily, blood is far superior to water where Crocodile is concerned as it's actively sticky on top of being wet.
@The:
And even if it was loot (we never saw it), the sack wasn't that big- And don't tell me it's full of 300 millions worth of golden statuettes.
I never claimed that to be the case. The point is that the money is legally his, despite previously being illgotten gains.
I don't believe a quick raid on Nanohana could be that worthwile anyway.
The pirates who were raiding it obviously thought that it was and Crocodile obviously deemed it worthy of carrying off.
If a 'bukai were to take down a pirate with a high bounty, that pirate would of course have quite a lot of loot. It'd be pointless for the marines to pay them twice.
Why wouldn't they recieve the bounty for the pirate in question?
They're not part of the Navy and they're not a police official. They're a freelance mercenary working for the Government.
And since when has the marines paid bounties to pirates fighting one another?
When that pirate works for the Government. Luffy was not eligible to collect bounties as he was himself an outlaw, Crocodile and Company are licensed by the Government. Basically, they're the highest ranking bounty hunters in existence.
Whereas Crocodile, no matter how much mony BW produced, was an unknown figure.
Well, except to those people of Alabasta, who apparently loved him more than they did their own King.
We've so far seen 4 of the members, only two of them in action, and only Mihawk (and most likely Jinbei) would have any advantages in a sea battle.
Depending upon how far away Donquixote can use his power and to what extent, he could easily play merry hell with any attacking ship. Crocodile could easily move from ship to ship in his elemental form.
There's no way to say for Bear, but he has to reasonably be the same strength as the rest of them.
And Luffy can't possibly be the only person in the universe who got the idea to douse water on him.
No, Robin tried it as well and what did that get her for her troubles?
We know nothing of Doflamingo and Kuma or their potential for causing wide spread destrucion, other than it got them their bigass bounties.
And the Government kept raising their bounties until a certain point far beyond the point that they cancelled Crocodile's. Ergo, he was judged to be too difficult to deal with at a much earlier point than they were and the Government offered him a deal.
What makes this so difficult to understand?
So, assuming that Luffy gets a +200 million bounty after Enies Lobby, does that mean he can automatically win against everything the marines throw at him?
What in the hell are you talking about?
A high bounty doesn't necessarily mean that you can beat whatever is thrown at you, especially if you're an up-and-coming pirate.
That's only because he's been "converted". What if it was DoFlamingo alone, or any other Schichibukai at the meeting
Well, any other Shichibukai being present still presents the same problem, that they might interfere.
If he's there alone, then it's still Donquixote against far more opponents of a far higher level than he might encounter.
Again, I thought the meeting was in Marijoa, not Marine HQ.
Correct, I was wrong on that point.
Storing the best fighters the navy has to offer there would be pointless, even if they were protecting the Gorusei.
Mariejoa is obviously crawling with Marines, just look at the sequence where the two Shichibukai arrive. Donquixote would be dealing with sheer numbers that he would rarely ever encounter at sea.
And where is your proof that he doesn't have the reaction time?
Where is your proof that he does?
Again, Crocodile's ability will kill Aokiji while Aokiji's will not necessarily kill him.
Advantage: Crocodile.
Show me where it works any different.
It has to work differently based on the fact that they can retain their consciousness even while in their elemental form.
Ener got stabbed through the freakin' head so his brain obviously functions different than a normal person.
Croc was so powerful that he aquried a 80 million bounty in two seconds, upon which the marines go " at this rate, he'll have done things worth 300 million by tommorow! We better make him a Schichibukai right away!", right?
Actually, we don't know how much of Crocodile's bounty was accumulated prior to his eating of the Suna Suna Fruit, if any. From what we know from the way Luffy's bounty was assigned, 30 million berries is an extraordinarily high amount for a rookie while a 70 million jump all at once is all but considered inconcievable by the various people at Mock Town.
As such, Crocodile probably built up his bounty relatively slowly.
Whereas Doflamingo works his way like a snail to his bounty, after which the goverment said "eh, lets take him".
No, Crocodile's ability was such that the Government offered him amnesty at an earlier point than Doflamingo.
By this logic, Luffy should have been offered a position.
Why exactly? His Devil Fruit power does not make him a threat to Aokiji, so he wouldn't be an equivalent exchange for Crocodile.
And secondly, I don't get how Croc could be that powerful (NOT just because he isn't the latest villain in the series).
I can't understand why. The Gorosei themselves thought that his loss threw the entire balance of the world into jeopardy. The Shichibukai constitute one of the Three Great Powers of the World, which puts them on an equal standing with anything else out there.
Thirdly: if Croc had had the potential to be a great threat, why didn't his bounty reflect it from the start?
The Government didn't keep jacking it up there BECAUSE HIS BOUNTY WAS CANCELLED EARLY.
Why in the hell is that basic concept so hard to understand?
Again, my theory is that the marines make the Schichibukai offer to the strongest pirates they manage to capture.
When was it ever said that they managed to capture them prior to the offer to join?
If nothing else, that doesn't make sense from what we know about Jinbei.
Then he wouldn't win, he'd flee.
Unless, of course, he decides to pay them back for attempting to capture them.
And again, there's no ground in a naval battle.
No, but that doesn't mean that he can't shift to his element and move from ship to ship while being invulnerable to their weapons.
It might also be a sign of the sheer quantity of pirates, instead of quality.
If the Navy is vastly superior in strength to the pirates, then they should cancel each other out. This does not appear to be a stalemate.
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And wouldn't it lose it's uses if it had to lumber up to a target, giving a clear warning of it's presence?
It doesn't matter how fast or powerful it is if it has to cover a vast range by itself. Seven Shichibukai can cover more ground than a single Pluton because there are seven of them.
And doesn't the remark either way show that she doesn't fear him?
Actually, it suggests that she is familiar enough with him to know how to approach the situation.
And why would he be intimidated, when he knows he is of great value to them, and propably not easily replaceable?
If that's the only reason, then why was he playing with the lives of several high ranking Marines? He's obviously not even afraid of these people.
@Octogon:
**Your are over-analizing the situation. Besides croc won't be able to "dry out" all if any of Ao-kijis ice. thats simple logic.
So what you're saying is that Aokiji can infinitely generate ice while Crocodile can only dry up so much water. This is based on what exactly?
And did you not see the jump in the former bountys from croc to the other 2 shichbukai?
I think I'm about the only person in this argument who sees it actually.
Use logic.
Bwahaha.
Your saying the lower a shichbukais former bounty is the more powerful he/she is?
No, I'm saying that they posed a greater threat to the World Government at an earlier point. I've pointed out numerous times that the Shichibukai have to be roughly equivalent in strength for the concept to even work in the first place.
Or for all we now Donflamingo would be higher if he hadn't become a shichbukai.
Of course it would have been. A former bounty means that it was that high when it was cancelled; had it remained active it would have continued to grow.
Shcichbukai: Finds guy who stole his stuff, kicks his ass and leaves.
Normal Pirate: the same.
The difference is that a Shichibukai can go to the authorities and claim the bounty of the person that he took down. A normal pirate cannot.
The only thing different is that he doesn't have to run away.
Precisely, the loot is legally his minus whatever share the Government claims.
Who ever said it woulf be easy? Me saying that in the end it would be admirals and sengoku vs. last 3-4 shichbukai tells you the vice-admirals would be down as well.
Which is entirely my point, namely that beating the Shichibukai would simply cost the Navy resources that it can't afford to lose.
But is extremley obviois that he had no intention whatsoever of actually killing them.
Really?
At any rate, he was still toying with the lives of high ranking Marines.
Who said the government even offered him anything? whos to say he didn't come to them? Your logic in this case is completley and utterly flawed
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By all appearances, the usual method towards choosing a Shichibukai is to have a meeting between the other Shichibukai and the Navy to determine a possible successor. They then extend the offer to them.
Even if he did come to them, then the fact still remains that they judged him to be worthy of the position much earlier than they did for the other two established former bounties.
Pretty obvious donflaimgo couldn't beat him in a flash. Sengoku wasn't intimidated in the least bit. Donflamingo was playing. Doesn't mean he would do anything with him. Donflaimgos threat was a bluff.
And you know this how exactly?
We don't know the limits of Donquixote's ability or how it even works. Until then, there's no reason to assume that Sengoku would magically be resiliant to it.
So the lower the former bounty the stronger they are? By that logic Mihawk would be one of the weakest. Whjos to say they gave up on him?
No, they're all roughly at the same level, otherwise they would have just had one of the other Shichibukai kill them rather than offering them a deal.
I see Mihawk as having the highest bounty as his status as Strongest Swordsman would have taken the longest to achieve. He probably didn't accept their offer until he became bored from the lack of competition.**
