Certainly they're willing to kill an entire group of archaeologists to preserve this secret, when normally they would just imprison really evil guys, like Arlong and Sir Crocodile.
Enies Lobby: When the Dust Clears…
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True. But we don't know if Crocodile or Arlong are on any kind of death row or not.
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Not necessarily. They could be evil, or they could just be ambiguous. There's a difference. A man can do evil things for evil' sake (killing someone for fun), or they can do evil things for good reasons (killing someone to protect another). For all we know, the Gorosei could be doing this for the latter reason. They view the knowledge of the kingdom dangerous to the world. If it got out, it could be bring down chaos upon the world.
And if the Gorosei hav esupported anything, it's order. They'll enforce it at any cost. Is this inherently good or evil? No. This is their feeling, and they're willing to go to dark lengths to see it through.
I'd say it sounds more likely that people knowing what's on the stones is dangerous to their power, not the world at large.
Lord knows they're willing to risk world chaos to bring back Pluton.
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Not necessarily. They could be evil, or they could just be ambiguous. There's a difference. A man can do evil things for evil' sake (killing someone for fun), or they can do evil things for good reasons (killing someone to protect another). For all we know, the Gorosei could be doing this for the latter reason. They view the knowledge of the kingdom dangerous to the world. If it got out, it could be bring down chaos upon the world.
I think the Gorousei and the rest of the World Government higher-ups are just trying to cover up their deeds during the Lost 100 Years. They must have done something that would really destroy their reputation (probably having to do with the ancient weapons) and would be willing to go as far as to destroy an entire society to preserve that secret.
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I think the Gorousei and the rest of the World Government higher-ups are just trying to cover up their deeds during the Lost 100 Years. They must have done something that would really destroy their reputation (probably having to do with the ancient weapons) and would be willing to go as far as to destroy an entire society to preserve that secret.
I think its much deeper than that. Since I seriously doubt the current gouresi are 800 years old. I don't think it's something to just protect their reputation.
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True. They could deflect responsibility done by their 800 year ago predecessors. It would't be that big a problem
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I think the Gorousei and the rest of the World Government higher-ups are just trying to cover up their deeds during the Lost 100 Years. They must have done something that would really destroy their reputation (probably having to do with the ancient weapons) and would be willing to go as far as to destroy an entire society to preserve that secret.
But still, even with regards to covering the legitimacy of their power or what their predecessors did in the lost century, they can believe it two ways.
"If we lose power or unearth the facts, we're out of a job and bang goes our big Marine pensions"
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"Nobody else is remotely qualified to keep order, and without us, society crumbles leading to thousands of deaths in the result. To let Ohara die for the sake of the world is a small price."
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You know, maybe the war between the ancient kingdom and the world government created the Grandline and the Redline. Maybe the former world was really destroyed. I mean, it sounds like the ancient kingdom and the confederacy that is the current world government existed at the same time and had giant battleships and the technology to create indestructible stones, yet, the technological level has not only not increased much since, it has decreased? Almost sounds like a nuclear exchange happened at the end of the 100 years that destroyed pretty much everything and everyone had to start all over.
Maybe Devil's Fruits are something left from this kingdom.
Oh, and I do hope Luffy crush the golden den den mushi, it's not alive anyway.
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You know, maybe the war between the ancient kingdom and the world government created the Grandline and the Redline. Maybe the former world was really destroyed. I mean, it sounds like the ancient kingdom and the confederacy that is the current world government existed at the same time and had giant battleships and the technology to create indestructible stones, yet, the technological level has not only not increased much since, it has decreased? Almost sounds like a nuclear exchange happened at the end of the 100 years that destroyed pretty much everything and everyone had to start all over.
Maybe Devil's Fruits are something left from this kingdom.
This theory has been put forward many times before….
Oh, and I do hope Luffy crush the golden den den mushi, it's not alive anyway.
Yes it is, you can see it talk in the latest chapter
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well one thing I will say is that the World Government must have seen what the ancient weapons can do in order to go around saying they are incredibly powerful. I believe that it is a weapon that is capable of destroying islands without needing much user input. (a missle maybe?) The reason I think that is I believe that when the WG say it can end the age of piracy, they mean they can use it and plan to blow up Raftel.
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well one thing I will say is that the World Government must have seen what the ancient weapons can do in order to go around saying they are incredibly powerful. I believe that it is a weapon that is capable of destroying islands without needing much user input. (a missle maybe?) The reason I think that is I believe that when the WG say it can end the age of piracy, they mean they can use it and plan to blow up Raftel.
That's an interesting theory, I suppose.
I thought they just planned on using them to blow the living shit out of any pirates dumb enough to piss them off.
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They'd blow up Raftel. I don't get how it would stop piracy.
Even without seeking the big prize, you can do pretty well in piracy. Shanks seemed to not want for one-armed coats, and Buggy can certainly afford a very nice circuis ship.
Also, does everyone know/believe it's on Raftel? It only might dissuade a small percentage of potential pirates close enough to discover it was truly destroyed.
The winning method is to take One Piece out of circulation, by finding it and claiming it for the WG. Nothing left to find, and everyone knows it. You still don't stop the small-game players, but the big draw is gone.
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The winning method is to take One Piece out of circulation, by finding it and claiming it for the WG. Nothing left to find, and everyone knows it. You still don't stop the small-game players, but the big draw is gone.
This is a long suspected thory of how the end the Pirate Age, but one nagging question does come to mind; why doesn't the WG do it?!
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This is a long suspected thory of how the end the Pirate Age, but one nagging question does come to mind; why doesn't the WG do it?!
**Because they can't. When Gold Reoger said "that place" everyone assumed he meant raftel. I believe he did, but was speaking of the king dom when he said "that place". Even if they tell the world they found it they would still need proof. Now, this can be accompkished by putting a shitload of gold and jewels in fromt of the world. Since the majority of the world probaley thinks one piece if just a shitload of treasure.
But how would they convince the Great Pirates? I'm certain Whitebeard would know the WG didn't actually find One Piece.
So they can make the majority of the world think they have one piece, but not the great threats.**
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@Octogon:
Because they can't. When Gold Reoger said "that place" everyone assumed he meant raftel. I believe he did, but was speaking of the king dom when he said "that place". Even if they tell the world they found it they would still need proof. No this can be accompkished by putting a shitload of gold and jewels in fromt of the world. Since the majority of the world probaley thinks one piece if just a shitload of treasure.
Ahem…
"We've found 100% proof there are WMDs in Iraq!"
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The WG doesn't need proof. They need just say something along the lines of, "One Piece is actually the parts of the ancient weapons, and shall be disposed of...so, you of the 121 nations that make up our governing body shan't see them. Trust us."
@Octogon:
**But how would they convince the Great Pirates? I'm certain Whitebeard would know the WG didn't actually find One Piece.
So they can make the majority of the world think they have one piece, but not the great threats.**
Assuming Whitebeard is the greatest threat. I think not; the Gorousei are more concerned with the massive numbers of amateur pirates who cause terror up and down Grand Line and in the Blues. Whitebeard and the "Great Pirates" are searching for OP, or in the case of the Shichibukai, other pirates. Because of this, I doubt Whitebeard would be raiding too many towns, even with a massive pirate fleet.
No, I think the greatet threat are the amateurs, like the Piggy Pirates. Imagine bands and bands of such groups in all the countries, and recognize the pressure the WG is getting from the individual countries. They need a "Death Star", or a massive weapon of destruction like Pluton, to scare those pirates into behaving.
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Ahem…
"We've found 100% proof there are WMDs in Iraq!"
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The WG doesn't need proof. They need just say something along the lines of, "One Piece is actually the parts of the ancient weapons, and shall be disposed of...so, you of the 121 nations that make up our governing body shan't see them. Trust us."
How much of the world even knows of the ancient weapons? What you said might wor with most people, but definatley not with all.
Assuming Whitebeard is the greatest threat. I think not; the Gorousei are more concerned with the massive numbers of amateur pirates who cause terror up and down Grand Line and in the Blues. Whitebeard and the "Great Pirates" are searching for OP, or in the case of the Shichibukai, other pirates. Because of this, I doubt Whitebeard would be raiding too many towns, even with a massive pirate fleet.
**I don't think Whitebeard is one to raid random town. But considering what we have heard about him we can conclude he has something to with Roger. And it is likley he is interested in the resserection of the kingdom.
Now awnser yourself his; would Whitebeard, Shanks etc believe the WG?**
No, I think the greatet threat are the amateurs, like the Piggy Pirates. Imagine bands and bands of such groups in all the countries, and recognize the pressure the WG is getting from the individual countries. They need a "Death Star", or a massive weapon of destruction like Pluton, to scare those pirates into behaving.
**The gouresi want to eliminate all pirates. What they don't want is a whole bunch of people defying their laws.
I believe whitebeard and crew are a bigger threat than everyother non-great pirate combined. The main reason is because I think he has something to do with what Roger was doing and the lost years. REsulting in a great threat.**
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We assume the Roger-and-One Piece thing ties closely to the Ancient Weapons-Lost History thing because of the writings.
But what if it's less that Roger knew the truth, and more of a planned trick.
If you could collect a powerful enough crew, with enough casualties, you can get anywhere. But the writings require someone "smart", who doesn't have to muscle their way to victory.
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@Octogon:
Now awnser yourself his; would Whitebeard, Shanks etc believe the WG?
No, which isn't really a big deal. The WG solves the problem of the minor pirates by breaking their spirit; even if the hope of OP not being claimed is proven false, most of these "chaotic evil" ne'er-do-wells lack the conviction to go after them. If anything, such a claim would allow the WG to consolidate their forces from the Blues to combat Whitebeard. Smoker's the head honcho in East Blue, the weakest of the four seas, and he's got a Logia power. I would say the chances are good Marines in West, North, and South blue are also likely to have Devil Fruit powers as well.
@Octogon:
The gouresi want to eliminate all pirates. What they don't want is a whole bunch of people defying their laws.
Though this is true, the WG also has priorities. If Whitebeard hasn't been taken out by now, they've got to cave in their struggle against him to aid the constituent members of the WG; otherwise, those countries might risk leaving the WG, which undermines the entire world peace cooperative they're trying to establish. Whitebeard's interest is OP, so he can be left alone without really doing much harm, power as he is.
There's also a theory of Whitebeard actually partnering with the WG, such that as Pirate King, he would be somewhat of a "puppet" that could command respect and order in the pirate ranks (like the historical Governor Morgan) while working with the proper authorities. A Pirate King heralds end to the Pirate Era; what better way to end such a troublesome time with the best of benefits?
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No, which isn't really a big deal. The WG solves the problem of the minor pirates by breaking their spirit; even if the hope of OP not being claimed is proven false, most of these "chaotic evil" ne'er-do-wells lack the conviction to go after them. If anything, such a claim would allow the WG to consolidate their forces from the Blues to combat Whitebeard. Smoker's the head honcho in East Blue, the weakest of the four seas, and he's got a Logia power. I would say the chances are good Marines in West, North, and South blue are also likely to have Devil Fruit powers as well.
What you said would hold true, exept for one thing. It's too late. Had they done this in the begining of the Pirate era it problaye would have had worked. I'm sure most of the pirates nowadays just want loot and think of one piece as a myth. Bellamy is a good example.
Though this is true, the WG also has priorities. If Whitebeard hasn't been taken out by now, they've got to cave in their struggle against him to aid the constituent members of the WG; otherwise, those countries might risk leaving the WG, which undermines the entire world peace cooperative they're trying to establish. Whitebeard's interest is OP, so he can be left alone without really doing much harm, power as he is.
**I doubt any of the countries would leave the WG. They wouldn't leave because of pirates, who defy laws etc. That would be the same as virginia breaking of from the U.S. because there is a high crime rate.
The onlt possible reason I can think for them to leave the WG is if they wish to help the kingdom come back. which would lebel them to most likley be destroyed; like Ohara.**
There's also a theory of Whitebeard actually partnering with the WG, such that as Pirate King, he would be somewhat of a "puppet" that could command respect and order in the pirate ranks (like the historical Governor Morgan) while working with the proper authorities. A Pirate King heralds end to the Pirate Era; what better way to end such a troublesome time with the best of benefits?
While this is possible, I suppose; I don't think so. Whitebeard doesn't strike me as the type that would take prders in any way from anyone.
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A nation with an economic incentive to support piracy might well oppose the WG. If you've got a huge business as a port city-state, pirates are just other traders for you.
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A nation with an economic incentive to support piracy might well oppose the WG. If you've got a huge business as a port city-state, pirates are just other traders for you.
True. but pirates are still pirates. A country wouldn't betray the world government for something like that. Water 7 wouldn't betray the WG, because they see no reason to. Iceburg would be the only one in the city with the knowledge of why rebelling would work. It would be stupid to make yourself a enemy of a world-power without a good reason.
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Ahem…
"We've found 100% proof there are WMDs in Iraq!"
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The WG doesn't need proof. They need just say something along the lines of, "One Piece is actually the parts of the ancient weapons, and shall be disposed of...so, you of the 121 nations that make up our governing body shan't see them. Trust us."
Bad analogy. As we (the USA governement) gave Iraq WMDs 20-30 some years ago and since we know that they haven't been used, it'd be pretty logical to assume that they still have them.
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@Octogon:
What you said would hold true, exept for one thing. It's too late. Had they done this in the begining of the Pirate era it problaye would have had worked. I'm sure most of the pirates nowadays just want loot and think of one piece as a myth. Bellamy is a good example.
I don't understand.
Roger: I left everything I owned…in One Piece.
WG (next day): Oooh, we found One Piece! Now, lads, just go back home!
Pirates: Aww...Your logic doesn't make sense. Why would finding OP at the beginning of the series end the Pirate Age? People knew Raftel was tough to get to, but they didn't know it was virtually impossible. It's been twenty two years, and people are starting to lose faith in the existence of such a treasure, but there are still pirates around. What better way than for the WG to suddenly announce "we found One Piece" now? Obviously, the peril of Raftel is known to all, so the delay is understandable. Even if you were talking about a year or two after the Pirate Age began, the same would apply; almost any time would be a good contingent for chirping about finding OP.
Bad analogy. As we (the USA governement) gave Iraq WMDs 20-30 some years ago and since we know that they haven't been used, it'd be pretty logical to assume that they still have them.
Not sure where that came from, but technically, we don't really know what happened to them; they could have been loaned to a terrorist organization, sold, or destroyed. Who knows? The analogy should read, then, "We're 100% sure we can find WMD's in Iraq!!". :glare:
Besides, the USA wasn't really as concerned with Saddam sitting on a bunch of old Cold War bombs; we were "worried" about him starting up a Nuclear Program, mass producing bombs, and bombing America.
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Let's really not get into Iraq…...
Anyway, grabbing the OP for the WG would be as pointless as posting on AP using a lot if useless acronyms.
Seriously though, if the One Piece has something to do with the lost history, the WG (acronyms again) may not WANT it found.
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exactly, so it would be better to just try and destroy it, would it not?
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@Bad-Beat:
exactly, so it would be better to just try and destroy it, would it not?
Well, I´m not sure if you´re talking about the Poneglyphs or the Ancient Weapons but I think that you´re right about destroying it would be a good idea.
However, I think that neither the Ancient Weapons nor the Poneglyphs are destructable that´s why this may not be an option. If the Ancient Weapons would be easy to destroy then they actually wouldn´t be that much of an threat. And the Poneglyph´s appear to be indestructable stones. So even if destruction is the right idea for the WG, it is not an option for them IMO.
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I was talking about Raftel and One Piece actually….the WG wants to end the age of piracy, teh age of piracy began when Roger was executed and one piece become up for grabs. So if you take away One Piece then the age of piracy would, in theory, end.
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Ah ok. Well, anyways since it is said that Gold Roger was the only one to ever get there I doubt that the WG would be able to destroy something they can´t get to.
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That's why I think that maybe one of the ancient weapons is a missle or something that requires no human input to make it move.
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@Bad-Beat:
I was talking about Raftel and One Piece actually….the WG wants to end the age of piracy, teh age of piracy began when Roger was executed and one piece become up for grabs. So if you take away One Piece then the age of piracy would, in theory, end.
In practice, no. If you were to remove Raftel and One Piece its self, which to start with im guessing is damn hard in its self if getting there is as hard as it appers, then all you have removed is to most pirates something they will never see let alone get for themselves. If there were no one piece, pirates would simply not turn to civilased people eating tea and crumpets, the majority would keep stealing said tea and crumpets (along with with any other richs and killing the owners, burning towns and so on and so on)
PS : sweet sig, but no more Dr hobo, where does my role model come from now :bawling:
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In practice, no. If you were to remove Raftel and One Piece its self, which to start with im guessing is damn hard in its self if getting there is as hard as it appers, then all you have removed is to most pirates something they will never see let alone get for themselves. If there were no one piece, pirates would simply not turn to civilased people eating tea and crumpets, the majority would keep stealing said tea and crumpets (along with with any other richs and killing the owners, burning towns and so on and so on)
well while that is true itw ould deffinatly top alot of new pirates from coming into existance.
Luffy wanted to be a pirate because he wanted to find one piece, if one piece wasn't around Luffy wouldn't want to become a pirate.
If Luffy didn't become a pirate then Zoro, Chopper and Sanji wouldn't have become pirates, Usopp would just be a captain of a group of children, causing no problems, Robin might have just wondered around doing nothing after Alabasta. Nami, though might still be working for Arlong.But there are 6 maybe 7 pirates that wouldn't have come to be if One Piece was never there.
So if the WG cancels out One Piece now. There would be a great decrease in the number of piartes in the world.
PS : sweet sig, but no more Dr hobo, where does my role model come from now :bawling:
I know it's so sad to see him go.
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I don't understand.
Roger: I left everything I owned…in One Piece.
WG (next day): Oooh, we found One Piece! Now, lads, just go back home!
Pirates: Aww...Your logic doesn't make sense. Why would finding OP at the beginning of the series end the Pirate Age? People knew Raftel was tough to get to, but they didn't know it was virtually impossible. It's been twenty two years, and people are starting to lose faith in the existence of such a treasure, but there are still pirates around. What better way than for the WG to suddenly announce "we found One Piece" now? Obviously, the peril of Raftel is known to all, so the delay is understandable. Even if you were talking about a year or two after the Pirate Age began, the same would apply; almost any time would be a good contingent for chirping about finding OP.
**The people of the world are not stupid. If the WG were to so randomley say, "we found one piece" a lot of people would just laughf in their faces.
When bellamy saw luffy's wanted poster, he thought that luffy made up his poster. Why would most of the pirates believe the WG has ne piece after all these years, without proof?
But if they said something like this to the world in the very begining of the era, it wouls have had been different. It would have had been much more believbale.
I don't believe that would work, however. Sure it might make some of the lesser pirates di-band. but the great threats will still remain.**
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@Octogon:
The people of the world are not stupid. If the WG were to so randomley say, "we found one piece" a lot of people would just laughf in their faces.
Sorry, there's absolutely no foundation in what you just said. Pure opinion; you couldn't even back it up. Here's why.
(1). The World Government has, for the past eight hundred years, managed to keep the world in the dark about the Poneglyph history, and managed to restrict all those trying to read it to virtually a single, lone isle in West Blue. The WG was also able to cough up to the world that Crocodile was acting out of the jurisdiction of the Shichibukai (which looks HORRIBLE from any perspective) and have all the nations believe Smoker defeated Crocodile. That's not just illustrating the power of the WG, but the faith those contries have in its credibility. To have such faith, without recourse or doubt, would be "stupid", as it were. Why do you lot think I always doubt everything and question even the things I enjoy?
(2). No one is going to laugh in the face of the WG. One guy did-Gold Roger-and look at what happened to him. It's more likely that the nations of the world would believe the WG, as they've already amassed an interesting resume of cover-ups or falsehoods before.
(3). Proof? Where's the proof of Crocodile's wrongdoings? For all we know, Alabasta could be full of shiggles, and blamed a Civil War on a WG scapegoat. What of the reason for not reading the Poneglyphs? It's virtually a crime to know that ancient weapons existed, let alone pursuing the "true history" of those blocks. The nations of the OP world are more than willing to take the WG's word for many actions, and if the government said, "we found OP", I'm sure mostly everyone would believe them. Since it's likely only Shanks, Whitebeard, or Luffy will ever reach the treasure, what's to stop the WG from fabricating another lie, such as with the Kaashi/Oimo situation? -
Sorry, there's absolutely no foundation in what you just said. Pure opinion; you couldn't even back it up. Here's why.
Perhaps, but there is nothing suggesting they won't. and know I wasn't talking about the regular citizens or the lesser pirates; I meant the higher pirates.
(1). The World Government has, for the past eight hundred years, managed to keep the world in the dark about the Poneglyph history, and managed to restrict all those trying to read it to virtually a single, lone isle in West Blue. The WG was also able to cough up to the world that Crocodile was acting out of the jurisdiction of the Shichibukai (which looks HORRIBLE from any perspective) and have all the nations believe Smoker defeated Crocodile. That's not just illustrating the power of the WG, but the faith those contries have in its credibility. To have such faith, without recourse or doubt, would be "stupid", as it were. Why do you lot think I always doubt everything and question even the things I enjoy?
Yes, they have managed to keep te knowledge of the "100 lost years" a seceret, but not the people's curiosity. If robin had heard that the WG had founded one piece ( when she was all sunday ) would she had have believed them? Maybe, maybe not. I realize that the normal citizens have faith in the WG, they hae no reason not to remain faithfull to the gouresi.
(2). No one is going to laugh in the face of the WG. One guy did-Gold Roger-and look at what happened to him. It's more likely that the nations of the world would believe the WG, as they've already amassed an interesting resume of cover-ups or falsehoods before.
Yes, Roger laughfed at the face of the WG. And he continued to until the very moment his heart stopped beating. Did it look like he regretted laughfing? And even now there exist people who are "laughfing" at the WG. Whitebeard is, in a sense, just by opposing them and being a pirate. In a sense all the great pirates are. Robin humiated the WG when she escaped. es Roger was laughfing, but I assure you he never regretted doing such.
(3). Proof? Where's the proof of Crocodile's wrongdoings? For all we know, Alabasta could be full of shiggles, and blamed a Civil War on a WG scapegoat. What of the reason for not reading the Poneglyphs? It's virtually a crime to know that ancient weapons existed, let alone pursuing the "true history" of those blocks. The nations of the OP world are more than willing to take the WG's word for many actions, and if the government said, "we found OP", I'm sure mostly everyone would believe them. Since it's likely only Shanks, Whitebeard, or Luffy will ever reach the treasure, what's to stop the WG from fabricating another lie, such as with the Kaashi/Oimo situation?
True.
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@Octogon:
Yes, they have managed to keep te knowledge of the "100 lost years" a seceret, but not the people's curiosity. If robin had heard that the WG had founded one piece ( when she was all sunday ) would she had have believed them? Maybe, maybe not. I realize that the normal citizens have faith in the WG, they hae no reason not to remain faithfull to the gouresi.
I never said everyone was going to believe the WG; why would Shanks, Luffy, or Whitebeard, our current "top three", have any clause to believe? Even if they did, wouldn't they try to steal the treasure?
Remember again that the real problem are the hordes of amateur pirates that are rampaging across the OP world. The WG wants to get the Ancient Weapons to destroy numbers, not necessarily strength. By declaring OP claimed, the bigger pirates are still likely going to gun for it, but the nameless nobodies that, as a collective whole, are causing so much grief for the world, are going to give up and go back to their prevous lives. We're not worried about the Mugiwaras, Whitebeard, or the Red Hairs; the WG sees them as a threat, but not a priority immediate threat.
This is why the Enies Lobby invasion is significant for the Mugiwara Pirates; it reclassifies them as not only a powerful group, but an exceptionally dangerous and violent one.
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I never said everyone was going to believe the WG; why would Shanks, Luffy, or Whitebeard, our current "top three", have any clause to believe? Even if they did, wouldn't they try to steal the treasure?
I don't think any of the "top three" are the type to randomley steal one's treasure. I think they mostly steal treasure that doesn't "belong" to anyone; like the strawhats did in skypeia.
Remember again that the real problem are the hordes of amateur pirates that are rampaging across the OP world. The WG wants to get the Ancient Weapons to destroy numbers, not necessarily strength. By declaring OP claimed, the bigger pirates are still likely going to gun for it, but the nameless nobodies that, as a collective whole, are causing so much grief for the world, are going to give up and go back to their prevous lives. We're not worried about the Mugiwaras, Whitebeard, or the Red Hairs; the WG sees them as a threat, but not a priority immediate threat.
**This is where I digagree. I think Whitebeard, Shanks etc are a greater threat to the WG then the countless other nameless pirates put toeghter. I don't remember anyone saying they want to eliminate the small fry, they said all pirates. And if you have more pirates you have more criminals, more people going against you. I believe they want to stop the nameless pirates, so that they can get the time to deal with the threats.
Also I am not talking about pure strengh when I say they are a bigger threat than the nameless pirates. I think the great pirates are plotting against the WG and fullfilling what Roger started.**
This is why the Enies Lobby invasion is significant for the Mugiwara Pirates; it reclassifies them as not only a powerful group, but an exceptionally dangerous and violent one.
**Yes. Luffy and co. aren't near the great pirates in terms of strengh, but no other group has yet shown that they would go as fa as the mugiwara.
Even though they probaley would, a situation like this hasn't with them.**
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Pirates do neither recongnize any governments nor do they believe in what they say. Even if the WG would spread the lie that One Piece was found then the only ones who probably wouldn´t believe would be the ones they´ve tried to stop with this lie.
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I just had a thought:
Has anyone thought that "that place" might refer to Roger's memories?
Everyone immediately assumed Raftel when he said "that place", but perhaps there's nothing more at Raftel than the remains of the kingdom, maybe scrap pieces of Pluton and Poseidon, and the Rio Poneglyph in the center of all the destruction. Since we don't know any of Roger's crew, it's safe to assume that they died before he did, leaving heirs or not leaving heirs; it doesn't matter. Roger was grinning at his death, a good indication that he may have lost everything already.
The Gorosei could say they found "One Piece", but no one would believe them, because I think One Piece was already found. It's in Roger's memories, in his heart… which, if the assumption is correct in that he was impaled by spears, is severed. He could have already planned this; to lose everything before he was caught, then accept death.
Even Socrates accepted his death before he died. His only legacy to the world was his prize student, Plato, and his teachings. If "One Piece" is simply an inspiration, or Roger's words, then that's a true treasure that can never be found, because it's in the heart of the one who perished.
I think Raftel has a treasure, but it's not what everyone expects it to be. Besides the Rio Poneglyph, all that's there is probably pictures, graves, ruins, and maybe broken pieces of Roger's ship. "One Piece" of the adventure, "One Piece" of the memories.
The main reason the government fears anyone knowing about the Lost 100 years and the name of the kingdom could be because of the sheer brutality in their methods, because of the horrible atrocities commited by them in uniting the world. If Raftel is the point of nuclear impact as I mentioned in a previous thread, the nuclear mutation could have Seakings patrolling it, and the Kaigun could be patrolling right behind those. They call the Grand Line "The Pirate's Graveyard", but Raftel could be the true Graveyard of the sea... Dead kingdom, dead crews, dead people, dead memories. Perhaps the only thing left is the Rio Poneglyph, on which could be written the last rites of the dying kingdom, as well as the sentence: "If you are reading this, it is too late for you."
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I remember someone else also saying this.
what you said, could be possible. But i honestly doubt anything like nuclear stuff.
You do come up with some Interesting theories thats for sure.
As for the Lost history, i think there is more too it, then simply How brutal the Government was in destroying this Kingdom. There has to be a more Dangerous secret. Perhaps there was a Weapon which was even more powerful then Pluton, Posiedon. Who know's?
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Wouldn't it be interesting if the reason Whitebeard is hooked up to medical equipment is because of radiation poisoning? (I don't agree with your theory but it would at least explain the medical equipment)
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One thought:
I'd expect atomic weaponry would be an extremely touchy subject in Japan, given they were on the recieving end of it.
While it might finally and utterly demonize the World Government in the readers' eyes, it might also offend people to put it in a "fun" comic. Sort of like how TV's changed terrorism handling procedures since 9.11.
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When you think about it, though, it's one of the most talked about things in anime and any type of media.
Just look at Leiji Matsumoto, the god of manga/anime. Galaxy 999, Captain Harlock, and Queen Esmerelda are sci-fi epic sagas, but they all deal with foreign occupation and post apocalyptic destruction. "Arcadia of My Youth" is one of the most amazing Anime movies, period.
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I think Whitebeard's condition more has to do with when he Battled Roger, that is my opinion on that.
The OP world, simply doesn't seem to be that advance in the sense of weapons of Nuclear capabilities.
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Element of Disbelief, I suppose. After all, if Franky can make himself into a cyborg and Luffy can emit steam from his body without sweating, something akin to a nuclear bomb is not above them.
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I know that somewhere in the manga, Franky family has the front end of an actual car, does anyone remember where that car was (what chapter)? I know it's in there somewhere though. I doubt it means anything though, it was probably just put in to go with Franky's 'scrap' element.
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hm.. if they have a train, they probably would be able to have a car
but heres a picture of the car as part of the franky family's boat
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume38.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=7366 -
I disagree in that trains came before cars, and the trains in one-piece are steam powered and recently developed, whereas I doubt that car (with working headlights no less) is.