Speculation on what Viz may do

DarkShinobi

Since One Piece is such a long series, is still going on without any signs of stopping in Japan, and Viz graphic novel realeases are still way too slow (even after they changed the realease dates from every 4 months to every 3 months), I have a feeling that Viz will soon pull One Piece from the Shonen Jump magazine and make One Piece a GN only series from there on in.

Viz did do it for 2 of their other series. They took the Boo saga of DBZ out of the magazine and made it a GN only series because EVERYONE has seen DBZ on TV already, the same thing for Yugioh, everyone had seen the Duelist Kingdom and Battle City arcs, so it didn't really make sense to have it in the magazine with 2-3 chapters realeased a month.

I just have this feeling that after Viz finishes up the Arlong arc and Louge Town and the Straw Hats finally enter the Grand Line, that One Piece will be pulled from the magazine and realeased either monthly or bi-monthly in GN form starting with volume 13 or so. American fans that don't download manga or episodes have already been given a rather shitty preview of what the Grand Line brings (through the atrocity that is the 4Kids dub) and since One Piece is a 39 volume+ series, it's clear that one GN realease every 3 months isn't enough.

I just have some weird feeling that Viz will do just that.

BatDan

The first edit will be Zoro's wanted poster. Since they call him Zolo, I've wondered how they will do the wanted poster. Then I heard they edit other manga so I they may edit this. Though it may be a horrible photoshop since Zoro's wanted poster is in English.

DarkShinobi

@BatDan:

The first edit will be Zoro's wanted poster. Since they call him Zolo, I've wondered how they will do the wanted poster. Then I heard they edit other manga so I they may edit this. Though it may be a horrible photoshop since Zoro's wanted poster is in English.

I would hardly worry about a small little letter on a small little wanted poster being changed.

The Viz translation is pretty damn good. The only real problem I have with it is the use of corny language like 'curses' and 'dang it' in the place of swearing and the pirate lingo like 'aye aye' and 'matey'.

I can easily overlook the extremely small name changes, like Zolo, Django, and Coco Village. Although, Merry Go does kinda bother me a little.

Zephos

I think Django is pronounced the same though, and in Viz tradition, is a play off a Movie title.

As for that possibilty…..
It would make me feel a tad foolish for buying all the tankoban. But otherwise I think it could easily happend.

Voodzik · http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?im…ate=2005-12-25

@DarkShinobi:

I would hardly worry about a small little letter on a small little wanted poster being changed.

The Viz translation is pretty damn good. The only real problem I have with it is the use of corny language like 'curses' and 'dang it' in the place of swearing and the pirate lingo like 'aye aye' and 'matey'.

I can easily overlook the extremely small name changes, like Zolo, Django, and Coco Village. Although, Merry Go does kinda bother me a little.

Actually, from all the Oda stuff I've read….I think Oda'd get a kick out of the curses stuff. The man is pirate LOONY. I bet he'd have that stuff in the japanese version if it translated at ALL culturally.

Anyway, I'm learning how to read japanese (for a plethora of reasons) and coming along pretty well (considering I'm self teaching) and hopefully, soon, I'll be living off the japanese manga and not caring about what Viz does. That said, I wouldn't mind at all OP becoming a GN only series, we could get our hands on it faster.

MY big question about Viz's future plans is whether or not they're going to keep all the gay refferences around Bon Clay.

sgamer82

Ic ould see them doing what the anime did and changing all the "Okama" references to "Ballet"

Doskoi-Pandaman

hahaha ballet kempo instead of okama kenpo,…wait that would suck

TakinawaTonfa

DarkShinobi, I've been thinking the same sort of thing. My prediction is that they'll finish up Lougetown (Which is most likely gonna have the "L" changed to an "R") and then probably release the series in graphic novels under a subtitle similar to the method of "Yu-Gi-Oh!:Duelist".

And I'm thinking it would be something along the lines of "One Piece: The Grand Line" or something like that. Oh, and not to mention the "contains the original storyline and scenes too startling for TV!" caption XD.

Actually, assuming that they're gonna do monthly releases of the GNs if they go that route, thats not really a bad idea.

Ubiq

@Voodzik:

MY big question about Viz's future plans is whether or not they're going to keep all the gay refferences around Bon Clay.

Who can say?

For a while there, they were keeping the dialogue relatively tame, but the last issue was a bit more daring than some of the earlier ones as Kuwabara actually fired off a "bastards" at one point.

When Viz did the Red Ribbon Army Saga in Dragon Ball, they left in many of the references to Blue being gay, but they may try to skirt the issue more in Shonen Jump.

Of course, they could always just call him a Transvestite.

Onigumo

@Doskoi-Pandaman:

hahaha ballet kempo instead of okama kenpo,…wait that would suck

Well, it was Ballet kenpo in the Anime…and the attacks were all dance names...

KamenRiderNeko

meh, i stopped buying the viz graphic novels…. especially after i found out where to get the manga online.... i'll probably get the japanese mangas when i go to japan... just cuz i love looking through them, they are so pretty ^^ and of course, i love the small size of the japanese mangas....

yeah, merry go sounded weird to me too... and of course i try to ignore the Zolo and still read it as Zoro.... it makes me cry on the inside X3

Anthony

why is denmark much longer in the series then the states?

100MillionMan

@Anthony:

why is denmark much longer in the series then the states?

cause VIZ are lazy-asses

DarkShinobi

Viz most likely will leave the Mr. 2 being gay thing alone.

But I bet Okama Kenpo will become Crossdresser Kenpo or something like that. Viz doesn't really keep Japanese terms in One Piece.

Bounty1Berry

If they call him Captain Chaser, I'm not buying a single issue more.

I'm amazed they aren't furious that 4kids has "scooped" their product… and dragged its reputation through the mud. They should be looking for a way to recover its good name. Perhaps "The Uncensored Story" logos on the volumes.

I wish they'd reformat ASJ:

-Kill off YYH or YGO (I dislike both of them), or possibly HnG (I can't see it being a huge favourite, no matter how well drawn it is), and run a chapter of Bo-Bobo in its place, plus a one-shot or a cyclical preview of their other properties. Or even move Death Note in. IMO, Bo-Bobo's weirdness makes it most suitable for small doses, not whole volumes.

-Disconnect the ASJ publication with the volume publication. I'm not sure the market overlap is that great. A volume is no good if you like the six-series format of ASJ, and ASJ is expensive and unrewarding if all you want is one series.

-Sell subscriptions to long-running series. I could quite readily see subscribing to monthly OP tankos at $50 a year or so.

-Avoid the smarmy ads at the bottom of the pages. It's not cute playing into the plot above, it's offensive at times

Aside: Does anyone have ASJ 36 (12/2005)? How many chapters does it have... does it have a colour spread or pull out poster or anything else OP worth having?

Zephos

Well, as far as Gay characters go….

-Kamatari from Kenshin? Left a gay dude.
-General Blue from Dragonball? Left a gay dude.
-That girl with glasses in Bleach? Left a gay gal.

captain sogeking

Yeah past viz releases have left in gay characters so i don't see any harm in letting mr.2 be gay but we won't know that till the year 2012 unless they speed it up

Ubiq

@Bounty1Berry:

If they call him Captain Chaser, I'm not buying a single issue more.

You do realize that Shueisha and not Viz makes such decisions?

Greg

I think Django is pronounced the same though, and in Viz tradition, is a play off a Movie title.

Even better, it most likely was meant to be Django, not just Viz's call but Oda's, as he's a huge Western nut and the character Django stars in a series of cult-classic Westerns. The dude is a total badass too. Drags his enormous piece around in a coffin.

(And so goes out the cries of Gungrave fans who thought it was original)

@Zephos:

Well, as far as Gay characters go….

-Kamatari from Kenshin? Left a gay dude.
-General Blue from Dragonball? Left a gay dude.
-That girl with glasses in Bleach? Left a gay gal.

Wait a fucking second there. "gay gal"? A LESBIAN!!!???? THERE'S A LESBIAN IN BLEACH!!!?????

Goddamn I gotta start reading that series ASAP.

Steel Guardian

@omae:

Wait a fucking second there. "gay gal"? A LESBIAN!!!???? THERE'S A LESBIAN IN BLEACH!!!?????

Goddamn I gotta start reading that series ASAP.

Actually I think there are TWO lesbians in Bleach. Chizuru (Glasses Girl) and Soi Fong (Asian chick).

Kei

@omae:

Even better, it most likely was meant to be Django, not just Viz's call but Oda's, as he's a huge Western nut and the character Django stars in a series of cult-classic Westerns. The dude is a total badass too. Drags his enormous piece around in a coffin.

See, I always thought it was a reference to Django Reinhardt. Heres some information about him http://www.redhotjazz.com/django.html.

~Kei

TakinawaTonfa

@Zephos:

Well, as far as Gay characters go….

-Kamatari from Kenshin? Left a gay dude.
-General Blue from Dragonball? Left a gay dude.
-That girl with glasses in Bleach? Left a gay gal.

Not a gay character but…

-Miyuki from Yu Yu Hakusho? Left in a crossdressing demon. And then Yusuke explained exactly how he found out that he was a crossdresser.

I would'nt worry too much about Bon Clay.

Greg

See, I always thought it was a reference to Django Reinhardt. Heres some information about him http://www.redhotjazz.com/django.html.

Actually, I mentioned that too in the crew profile http://www.thegrandline.com/kurocrew.html Given Oda's music taste in soul while working it doesn't seem unlikely but his infatuation with Westerns seems to be quite strong.

Bounty1Berry

@Ubiq:

You do realize that Shueisha and not Viz makes such decisions?

Still, their logic matters.

If Chaser was merely a massive tobacco edit, it shouldn't carry onto the manga (Sanji's lollies don't).

But if it's going to be "we invested in the name, we're gonna stick with it across the board, it will (Zolo)

Ubiq

@Bounty1Berry:

Still, their logic matters.

If Chaser was merely a massive tobacco edit, it shouldn't carry onto the manga (Sanji's lollies don't).

Again, it depends on the name that Shueisha decides to trademark.

If they choose Chaser to capitalize on the anime, then Viz will use Chaser.

warp

@DarkShinobi:

Since One Piece is such a long series, is still going on without any signs of stopping in Japan, and Viz graphic novel realeases are still way too slow (even after they changed the realease dates from every 4 months to every 3 months), I have a feeling that Viz will soon pull One Piece from the Shonen Jump magazine and make One Piece a GN only series from there on in.

Viz did do it for 2 of their other series. They took the Boo saga of DBZ out of the magazine and made it a GN only series because EVERYONE has seen DBZ on TV already, the same thing for Yugioh, everyone had seen the Duelist Kingdom and Battle City arcs, so it didn't really make sense to have it in the magazine with 2-3 chapters realeased a month.

I just have this feeling that after Viz finishes up the Arlong arc and Louge Town and the Straw Hats finally enter the Grand Line, that One Piece will be pulled from the magazine and realeased either monthly or bi-monthly in GN form starting with volume 13 or so. American fans that don't download manga or episodes have already been given a rather shitty preview of what the Grand Line brings (through the atrocity that is the 4Kids dub) and since One Piece is a 39 volume+ series, it's clear that one GN realease every 3 months isn't enough.

I just have some weird feeling that Viz will do just that.

wow you too huh. I was thinking the same thing

Strange_One

If it's changed to Chaser (no matter WHO changes it) I'm cancelling my subscription and boycotting tankos. That's just too much.

I hope they release it monthly; they did it with Kenshin, right? The reason I got my first non-Viz One Piece was because they were at the Baratie arc and I was going insane to see what would happen. I can't imagine having to wait so stinkin' long for the conclusion of the Arlong arc… not to mention the other, like, 30 volumes o.o.

Apart from cussing and possibly Mr. 2, I don't see them changing much. Though a few things got on my nerves- "I'll pay you by body" was changed to "I'll pay you with kisses!", and plys the whole 'little servant' thing. But I guess I'm being nitpicky.

Doskoi-Pandaman

well the best way to look at American translated manga is to just grin and bear it. Or you could just learn Japanese (if you really invest the time into it)
Wow I never knew the English ver. had this many problems 0_0

Voodzik · http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?im…ate=2005-12-25

Well, part of the problem is that die hard fans often yell at stuff the translators have to do to sell to a wider audience. I don't see those things as "problems."

I'm likely to be pretty pissed if it's "Chaser," but I don't think Viz would do that to us. Considering, they've been really good and the new people in charge are a lot less stringent even (bastard showing up last issue, for example) so we'll have to see

TakinawaTonfa

@Doskoi-Pandaman:

Wow I never knew the English ver. had this many problems 0_0

I don't think it does! In fact, I think Viz is doing a good job with the current arc right now. In fact, in this issue I was thrilled to see that they kept the French words used in Sanji's attacks.

I'm likely to be pretty pissed if it's "Chaser," but I don't think Viz would do that to us. Considering, they've been really good and the new people in charge are a lot less stringent even (bastard showing up last issue, for example) so we'll have to see

I think (or at least hoping that) Smoker's gonna stay "Smoker" as well. Especially considering that they haven't had any problems with Sanji smoking. (In fact, in one of the past holiday issues, they kinda made a little joke about his habit.)

And if people are worried just because of the whole "Zoro" to "Zolo" thing, that was only concerning one (interchageable) letter. But I'm sure that this topic has been talked about everywhere, so I'm not gonna get into Zoro's name.

In addition, take a look at Shaman King. Name changes abound in the 4kids version. But SJ manga faithfully keeps all the names. (and any readers should know that "Hao" is STILL gonna be "Hao" in future installments!)

Either way, chances are Smoker is still gonna be Smoker (and I'm sure that Viz will be bombarded with complaints if they think otherwise XD )

Kuniki

@TakinawaTonfa:

I don't think it does! In fact, I think Viz is doing a good job with the current arc right now. In fact, in this issue I was thrilled to see that they kept the French words used in Sanji's attacks.

I think (or at least hoping that) Smoker's gonna stay "Smoker" as well. Especially considering that they haven't had any problems with Sanji smoking. (In fact, in one of the past holiday issues, they kinda made a little joke about his habit.)

And if people are worried just because of the whole "Zoro" to "Zolo" thing, that was only concerning one (interchageable) letter. But I'm sure that this topic has been talked about everywhere, so I'm not gonna get into Zoro's name.

In addition, take a look at Shaman King. Name changes abound in the 4kids version. But SJ manga faithfully keeps all the names. (and any readers should know that "Hao" is STILL gonna be "Hao" in future installments!)

Either way, chances are Smoker is still gonna be Smoker (and I'm sure that Viz will be bombarded with complaints if they think otherwise XD )

They did? Never notice that.

goes to look ….Aye, I think they did. o.o

I did notice they left "onigiri" alone... or did they not? o.o is look at stephen transt.

Yup, they did leave it alone. ^_^

is going to stay away from saying anything about Zolo/Zoro name

Please, let it be Smoker... then I don't have to hurt them.

(I likely will still read it anyway.....)

joekido the Second

Well, Viz is heading to the end of the Arlong arc, we won't get into Louge Town untie April 2006 and we can see what they may do to Smoker in June 2006

Voodzik · http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?im…ate=2005-12-25

I'll be prepairing for my trip to japan….that oughta be funny!

Japanese Dude: "American! You read one piece too?"

Me: "Yes until they MASSACRED IT LIKE A DEMON BABY!"

Japanese dude: "Ah, uhm, yes, right.. it's true, americans are insane..."

Caracal

@TakinawaTonfa:

In addition, take a look at Shaman King. Name changes abound in the 4kids version. But SJ manga faithfully keeps all the names. (and any readers should know that "Hao" is STILL gonna be "Hao" in future installments!)

That is true. They've kept all the original names (e.g. Horohoro, Ryu and Ren) and with the exception of calling Furyoku Manga, have used the original terms (i.e. Oversoul instead of Spirit Control). Yes they did change Ponchi’s testicles to a stomach, but quite frankly I’d rather see him attack Manta with a stomach than his testicles. Anyway, I have however heard that the different series are handled by different groups.

As for using original Japanese terms, they used Kenpai in Shaman King and have the characters say san and chan in Kenshin so they may consider called Mr. 2 Okama, especially seeing as how it's a way to get around using the word gay.

However I too would strongly consider boycotting the series if Viz use the names Chaser/Captain Chaser, Grand Compass and Eternal Compass. Suposedly Viz is meant to be doing an exact (or as close as possible) translation of the series and those names aren’t proper translations. “Navy” is a grey area as some sources have mentioned it’s as accurate a translation as Marine. Zoro to Zolo and Pirate King to King of the Pirates make sense due to the fact people can get sued for using identical or similar names (I think a hockey team sued the people behind Spawn because a poster in one issue of Spawn featuring a word or name similar to the team’s name. The hockey team won). And I would understand if they want to change the names of the female Baroque Works named after Japanese holidays, though I would prefer Miss Merry Christmas (for example, though I don't see why 4Kids changed it) to Miss Groundhogs Day.

Anyway back to the topic. I would be very happy to see Viz drop Naruto, Shaman King and One Piece and make them monthly or bimonthly. I remember once a member calculating that it would take Viz roughly fifteen years to publish the 39th One Piece graphic novel, by which point anime and manga may have taken a “back bench” in my life. I would like to have read all or most of those series by then (Bleach and YuYu aren't to bad as Bleach is published bimonthly and there's only 19 graphic novels for YuYu).

joekido the Second

You consired boycotting Viz if they uses Enternal/Grand Compass? "Steps away from Caracel" Your outta your mind dude.

Zephos

Yhea man, boycotting?

Just buy the japanese tankos.

Caracal

@joekido:

You consired boycotting Viz if they uses Enternal/Grand Compass? "Steps away from Caracel" Your outta your mind dude.

Yeah, mabe that is going a bit to far . Frankly I want Viz to keep the changes to the minimal. I enjoy reading it in English, but I'd like it to be as accurate as possible, only doing changes if they're really necessary. In all honesty, even if Viz used those and perhaps even Chaser, I'd probably still buy it. I won't like it but I'll buy it because I love the series to much to not.

@Zephos:

Just buy the japanese tankos.

I'm tempted but can't read Japanese and don't have the time to learn it. I know of the translations but it means I have to print out a large amount of paper just to read each book, or write the translations on the books. I'm not very keen on either idea.

KatanaJon1.1

I'm tempted but can't read Japanese and don't have the time to learn it. I know of the translations but it means I have to print out a large amount of paper just to read each book, or write the translations on the books. I'm not very keen on either idea.

Just save them as a TXT file. That's what I did for the ones I got.

Caracal

Perhaps, but I like to read manga anywhere, especally in bed or infront the TV if I'm waiting for a show to come on and/or during adverts. Infact I rarely read manga infront my comp. But buying the tankos is something I might do if I had the money.

Ubiq

@Caracal:

â€œNavyâ€? is a grey area as have mentioned itâ€s as accurate a translation as Marine.

If I'm not mistaken, Navy is how the organization is consistently referred to in the text despite the accompanying images. So a direct translation of the text will use Navy.

Zoro to Zolo and Pirate King to King of the Pirates make sense due to the fact people can get sued for using identical or similar names

I've covered Zolo enough. As far as shifting Pirate King to King of the Pirates goes, that's more likely an editorial choice. It still means the exact same thing.

(I think a hockey team sued the people behind Spawn because a poster in one issue of Spawn featuring a word or name similar to the teamâ€s name. The hockey team won).

Actually, Todd McFarlane based a Spawn character on retired hockey player Anthony Twist, who sued McFarlane for defamation of character and was awarded $25 million in what was a laughably bad judgement. So bad in fact that the judge tossed it as did an appeals judge.

Voodzik · http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?im…ate=2005-12-25

@Caracal:

Perhaps, but I like to read manga anywhere, especally in bed or infront the TV if I'm waiting for a show to come on and/or during adverts. Infact I rarely read manga infront my comp. But buying the tankos is something I might do if I had the money.

Try what I'm doing; I'm buying the Tankos (Just got it confirmed they should be here before chirstmas ^_____^!) And a bunch of dictionaries and a grammatical analysis of Japanese. I'm really good with languages, and this will give me more incentive to pracitce…...it's a thought, anyway

gum-gum man

@Steel:

Actually I think there are TWO lesbians in Bleach. Chizuru (Glasses Girl) and Soi Fong (Asian chick).

….. i dont think Soi Fong gay she kinda act like a little sister to Yoruichirather then being in love and stuff, but i know Chizuru is gay.

Ps. they both asian.

Caracal

@Voodzik:

Try what I'm doing; I'm buying the Tankos (Just got it confirmed they should be here before chirstmas ^_____^!) And a bunch of dictionaries and a grammatical analysis of Japanese. I'm really good with languages, and this will give me more incentive to pracitce…...it's a thought, anyway

It is temping to do that. However for me personally, learning a second language has always been a problem for me. Despite having French classes for about five years, I didn't get a good grasp of it. Plus I don't have the time and/or money to invest in such a system now. Perhaps in a year or two though.

zianchu

I always thought Viz would do this for not only One Piece but every series that's in ASJ after the Yu-Gi-Oh! thing. Here's how I think it will play out:

One Piece will go to Arabasta or Skypiea after Arlong Park or Logue Town.
As soon as Viz (anime) exceeds the manga (houldn't take long) Naruto will go to wherever the anime hasn't reached yet (probably the time skip)
Yu Yu Hakusho will… keep going I guess.
Hikaru no Go. Well I don't have any knowledge of the series past ASJ so...
Shaman will go to wherever the filler in the anime (the fight at Patch Village I believe) started as soon the manga wraps up the part that they're in.

Bounty1Berry

Which will piss off everyone who bought a sub thinking they'd see the next x00 chapters of their favourites in the order expected.

Malintex_Terek

There's no way sports or game manga outside of Yu-Gi-Oh will fare well outside of Japan. If Viz does something dumb like attempt to force Hikaru no Go or Prince of Tennis into mainstream, they'll both tank.

Bounty1Berry

:dito:

I like HnG for the art only. The concept is too far out of range to be remotely saleable.

Part of what people like about sports and games is the unpredictability; although I've heard Eyeshield 21 is very good, knowing that there's a master writer who knows how the matches will come out takes the spice out of it.

sgamer82

I'm always a little iffy about any anime/manga where a specific sport is the craze everywhere you go, such as Yu-Gi-Oh! (anime more than manga, to be fair). It hurts-to-kills the suspension of belief.

Keroro

manga or anime that's about a sport or game usually doesn't interest me that long. Although I did Like Yu-Gi-Oh

TakinawaTonfa

Am I the only one who has faith in Hikaru no Go?

I honestly think that its it will do pretty well. I mean, sure its not gonna have the same kinda prescense of mainstream anime like DBZ, Fullmetal Alchemist, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc. but I think it'll have some decent success.