Chapter 1116: Inner Conflict
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Vegapunk: informs the world of the imminent floods to try and save people from being caught unaware and dying
Rayleigh: "Hey, Vegapunk, don't spoil the fun!".
Stupid drunk old bastard.
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For some reason Viz has it so the next chapter comes out in 7 days
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Now I think I’m better understanding Oda’s game plan here.
If he still intends to have Luffy vs. Blackbeard, then it might happen not too long after the Elbaf arc. Blackbeard is most likely listening to Vegapunk’s broadcast and may be especially keen on how the Government has an Ancient Weapon, necessitating him getting one of his own to stay in power.
So that’s where Caribou comes in to tell Blackbeard about Poseidon and Pluton. He also might tell him that Shirahoshi has trouble controlling her power, and so Blackbeard may end up going to Wano himself given how much power Momo and Yamato have.
This all presumably plays out while the Straw Hats are at Elbaf, and then Luffy by the end gets the news that Momo and Yamato are having trouble with Blackbeard, then leading into the anticipated Straw Hats vs. Blackbeard Pirates battle.
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This chapter was meh (IMO), but I think some details in it may bring some quite interesting ramifications.
For instance, so far Vegapunk's speech has been tremendously in favor of the Government, even if that was not the intention. The WG can easily spin it to justify everything it does, from hunting pirates to keeping the Void Century forbidden ("See? We were trying to keep the Ancient Weapons dormant! Vegapunk did his research and look what happened!"). The news blaming Luffy for kidnapping Vegapunk don't help, the government can even say it was Luffy who killed him because he wanted the Mother Flame for himself.
The chapter also implies the Giant did not wake up because of Luffy (though he did react to G5), but instead Vegapunk powered it with the Mother Flame to protect the broadcast.
Another thing is York's conclusion. Indeed, Vegapunk knowing of the theft is strange, he should have suspected treason all along. The timeline doesn't fit! Is the broadcast really a recording, or are we seeing a simulation created by the dead Vegapunks instead? The fact that only Shaka, Stella and Pythagoras appeared in it is very suspicious.
To cap it off, Elisabello investigating Lulusia may be the beginning of more nations backing up the Revolutionaries. And Crocodile hearing about Ancient Weapons and Roger knowing the entire history may make him surrender to Buggy's wishes of finding the One Piece.
All very interesting potential repercussions. This is the first time I feel like the reaction shots are telling stories rather than being just cheap callbacks.
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I remember theorizing Stella and the other two Vegapunks were mind memories that were uploaded to some server and this is a livestream, and still think that’s the case, but I’m thinking more so that York’s reasoning is meant to show she’s wrong due to being frantic and the snail isn’t in the robot. Everything Vegapunk said Stella could’ve still known about when the Lulusia attack happened, he could suspect the Mother Flame being stolen back then, and it still lines up for him not knowing York stole it.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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@Gizmo said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
I remember theorizing Stella and the other two Vegapunks were mind memories that were uploaded to some server and this is a livestream, and still think that’s the case, but I’m thinking more so that York’s reasoning is meant to show she’s wrong due to being frantic and the snail isn’t in the robot. Everything Vegapunk said Stella could’ve still known about when the Lulusia attack happened, the Mother Flame being stolen, and still line up for him not knowing York stole it.
I think the implication is that Vegapunk must have done the transmission literally yesterday, since he knew the WG was after him. Maybe this was filmed during the call between Dragon and Shaka.
This would also indicate that Luffy, Chopper and Co. indeed found VP while he was hiding the snail. York was probably thinking VP had done it earlier, before the whole mess started, and not during it.
In fact, Luffy's arrival could even be the reason he hid the snail in the giant, as he expected Gear 5 to power it up. This would mean VP was playing 4D chess with himself as a pawn.
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I'm with Rayleigh. He is more informed on the topic than VP. If he says it is better that the Buggy, Shanks, Law, etc take it a step at a time and make their own decision, then there is merit behind it.
That man put the Roger Pirates on the Summer Jam screen like "look, they knew everything and did nothing". They are not you. All arc, VP has gushed about sharing knowledge and resources. He even worked with the WG. Certain things aren't for everyone.
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Artifact in the shelf for +800 years until last week
not only that, Imu himself is against advancement and wants the world medieval for ever so what changed now ? to go the opposite direction ? none of that shit makes sense.
and how long will he keep that fucker under silhouette ? I don't want the anime to spoil it for me.
very slow pacing on terms of releases topped with short chapter.
I just hope the Iron giant will put on a show and not be a punching bag for the disgusting elders.
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Not a lot for me to say this time. The biggest thing I liked was the little bit of Stussy we got, and how she has a soft spot for Kaku to want to release him. With an elder coming towards their location and Lucci asking one of the elders spare him, there's been a little bit of me wondering if perhaps Lucci will turn, so to speak, in this arc, to protect Kaku. Was feeling that a little more strongly, but now that the Elders attention are on the giant robot, the small chance of that occurring is completely gone.
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Welp, so much for my hope that we could get some 3 chapters/break cycles. And only 13 pages as well.
Don't think this one's quite as exciting as the last 3, but still had some good stuff.
Stussy - Edison was a pretty sweet interaction. CP9 were close to one another as we've seen in the Cover Story, and even with CP0 we had Joseph (totally had to look that name up) tip his hat to Guernica when he was (supposedly) killed by Kaido, so Stussy being friends with Kaku makes perfect sense.
It's fascinating how just from Imu saying "Lily...." in chapter 1084, so many of us theorized that he could've been in love with her. Still far from confirmed of course, but if that is where we're going than Oda really conveyed a lot with just eyes and one name + ellipses.
Kudos to the people who theorized that the snail would be inside the robot, I personally do not think it's a curveball. Let's see what it can do.
It appears Fleet Admirals are at least somewhat filled in on the true history, this was already implied back in Dressrosa when Law talked to Sengoku, but curious if/when we learn about that.
But the biggest question this chapter has me asking is this: Now that Lulusia is gone, who is supplying Vice Admiral Comil with milk for his coffee?
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At the beginning Vegapunk was super worried about ensuring the message would reach every person directly to avoid giving those in power the opportunity to manipulate the message to their benefit.
But now, he is giving all these half-assed gossips that with each chapter seem more likely to benefit the WG:- 800 years ago the world was flooded during the fight between Joy Boy's super kingdom and the World Government,
- the flood was caused by the Ancient Weapons,
- the Ancient Weapons belonged to Joy Boy,
- Joy Boy was a pirate and ensured the weapons would survive and be passed to future generations,
- as I worked for the WG, someone stole one of my creations to power up the Ancient Weapons,
- the only people who know about this story are the most vile pirate crew that ever existed and is currently in hiding,
- the world is again at peril of being drowned.
I mean... there is absolutely no way anyone in the world will listen to this and not assume the WG are the saviors. Plus, we also have:
- someone killed me, but I don't want to say they are bad or good because I don't understand "him" enough,
- also, I can't judge Joy Boy because I don't understand him enough.
The implication seem to be very damning here, particularly if at some point he mentions the connection between Luffy and Joy Boy.
Hopefully once we get to the visual portion of the message, he will something more concrete, because all this vagueness might end up doing more harm than good.
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@access-timeco Adding to that, the public was told that Luffy was keeping Vegapunk hostage. So, the government was there to save him. He died, so it must be Luffy's fault. Those evil pirates probably wanted the Mother Flame for their own use!
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Still can’t believe Roger, Rayleigh, Crocus, Oden, and the others felt fine in withholding the info of societies getting genocided by Ancient Weapons in this ongoing Ancient War and just laughed it all off after using the excuse of it being too early to warn them.
Even for pirates, that’s pretty questionable.
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
At the beginning Vegapunk was super worried about ensuring the message would reach every person directly to avoid giving those in power the opportunity to manipulate the message to their benefit.
But now, he is giving all these half-assed gossips that with each chapter seem more likely to benefit the WG:- 800 years ago the world was flooded during the fight between Joy Boy's super kingdom and the World Government,
- the flood was caused by the Ancient Weapons,
- the Ancient Weapons belonged to Joy Boy,
- Joy Boy was a pirate and ensured the weapons would survive and be passed to future generations,
- as I worked for the WG, someone stole one of my creations to power up the Ancient Weapons,
- the only people who know about this story are the most vile pirate crew that ever existed and is currently in hiding,
- the world is again at peril of being drowned.
I mean... there is absolutely no way anyone in the world will listen to this and not assume the WG are the saviors. Plus, we also have:
- someone killed me, but I don't want to say they are bad or good because I don't understand "him" enough,
- also, I can't judge Joy Boy because I don't understand him enough.
The implication seem to be very damning here, particularly if at some point he mentions the connection between Luffy and Joy Boy.
Hopefully once we get to the visual portion of the message, he will something more concrete, because all this vagueness might end up doing more harm than good.
I'm actually thinking Oda may be setting up a "Luffy vs. the World" scenario, instead of a "WG vs. The World" like many predicted.
The former is much more interesting, because it would show who Luffy's friends truly are.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
Vegapunk: informs the world of the imminent floods to try and save people from being caught unaware and dying
Rayleigh: "Hey, Vegapunk, don't spoil the fun!".
Stupid drunk old bastard.
It’s called Self importance.
Rayleigh knows that we’re watching him and is trying to play ignorance while somebody sing his praises. Remember that scene with Buggy at Marine Ford when someone was speaking of him and pointing the Den den mushi at him and Buggy with an innocent face says at the camera “ ME?”.
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Rayleigh is kinda like that stock hobo guy that always has a "The World is Ending" sign but actually got tired and gave up at one point.
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@realtenchu I know the story that Roger was already dying and so them acting on their discovery would be short-lived, at best.
It just irritates me that he seems to think this is a game where thousands of people could lose their homes and lives, in-story.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
It just irritates me that he seems to think this is a game where thousands of people could lose their homes and lives, in-story.
Dude literally lives by gambling and stealing from idiots that think he's just an old man.
He's not some sort of altruist.
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@Johnny-B-Decent That is 1 of many things im looking forward to eos.
When the story is over, can we confirm that Roger Pirates taking action could have helped more than harm.
As of now, I just see it as a difference in ideology between VP and Roger Pirates.
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1 has less than 20% of the complete story and his work has done more harm than good
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The other has the complete story and haven't spread the gospel.
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I'd trust the judgement of the guys who know what Joyboy was fighting for, what the Ancient Weapons really were, why Joyboy wanted to preserve them, and that it wasn't the right time to act, over the scientist that made weapons for the government, knows a fraction of the full story, and can't tell which's the right side to take.
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In any event, in light of what just happened in the Roger Pirates getting called out, and understandably so by people such as myself, I will say I’m still willing to consider and alter my view accordingly depending on what Joy Boy and the others have to say for themselves.
I just wanted to mention that the threat of genocide, too early or not, is always to be taken seriously. VERY, very seriously.
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Back when Rayleigh mentioned they knew stuff I imagined the Roger pirates as having broad strokes of what happen similar to Vegapunk is saying (maybe with less details). But it seems they just straight up knew everything.
But considering the weapon seemed to not be able to work until Vegapunk gave it a power source and that there seems to be a timelocked prophecy (or at least until someone can awaken Nika). I could buy that sending the rest of the world into a losing war was a bad idea to Roger.
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Aww, I was so hopeful we could get to the end of the broadcast before the next break, but it seems like two weeks on, one week off is just our life now. At least the end does seem to be close.
Yamato certainly seems popular in the Flower Capital, which is probably a good sign that the unfortunate sentiments in the kabuki retelling of the raid haven't been taken to heart by the citizens. Good news for Tama, right? Urashima has been forgiven as well, so maybe memories are just short in Wano.
Let's start with Vegapunk's ongoing speech before going into the stuff surrounding it. This latest set of revelations do his character some actual service, following on from his frustrating need to not point fingers last week. We learn both that the Mother Flame used to power the World Government's weapon was stolen by York instead of willingly given, but Vegapunk still finds the self-awareness to feel responsible and beg for the world's forgiveness.
And the stuff towards the end, both about Joyboy preserving the Ancient Weapons and the Roger Pirates choosing not to act, actually clarifies a bit of Vegapunk's motives and moral views for me. He sees the Ancient Weapons as a force of evil, and since he's learned that Joyboy's faction possessed them and intended to pass them on, he can't see them wholly as the good guys. He wonders if the World Government had a good reason to oppose that. And, he might wonder from his perspective, why would Roger have not carried on Joyboy's will if it was meant to be such a good thing?
But we know some things that he doesn't, as did the Roger Pirates. Remember this interesting little bit from Rayleigh in chapter 967?
"It's not the weapon we're after ... it's the people who called it a weapon." What this says is that the Ancient Weapons predated the name we know them by, and likely had a different purpose before they were weaponised for the ancient war. I think it's pretty likely that the intent of Joyboy wanting the weapons and their will to be inherited was to restore them to their original purpose, whatever that was. And, of course, it's pretty obvious that Vegapunk's info doesn't include the parts that made Roger decide he was "too soon" to fulfill the One Piece's intended purpose. Maybe if Vegapunk knew these things he'd have firmer judgements to make on right and wrong.
For other things happening around Egghead and the world, we can see the entire basement of the lab was severed from the top and slipped out to the bottom of the Labophase when it was cut. Not that there was any way to tell that had happened from the art last week, but still good to have it clarified now. I'm surprised the Seraphim's bubbles survived the fall. They have to get loose eventually, right?
Stussy's scene is exactly what I was hoping for back when it seemed like her arc was about to wrap up with a heroic sacrifice. We don't get her final decision here, but verbalising her inner conflict between the alies she made undercover in Cipher Pol and the creator she feels indebted to adds so many layers to her characterisation. And Kaku seems genuinely moved by her plight as well. I wonder if he'd vouch for her if she tried to return to Cipher Pol, assuming he still holds any sway after this incident.
Not sure what to make of Ju Peter eating the Cipher Pol agents. That's some incredibly callous friendly fire, even from the guys comparing human lives to insects earlier in the arc.
I wonder if something is being set up by York's confusion about the order of events and the contradictions between the things Vegapunk did and didn't know. Are we setting up some kind of post-broadcast flashback of Vegapunk putting the pieces for his final gambit together?
Aha, and the Iron Giant is the snail's hiding place. Definitely recontextualises Vegapunk getting stuck inside it at his introduction. Love the panel of it marching through the flames as well. But where is it going, and where are the Elders going to turn up if they're all about to converge on it. If, as was earlier implied, it really is responding to Luffy's awakening, that could put him and the giants in a really tough spot it it's going his way.
And we have Rayleigh at the end. He knows a lot we and even Vegapunk don't know, which makes it hard to read his reaction. Is there something about the answers he and Roger reached that makes it important to reach them the hard way? And how will this impact the Strawhats, who have already skipped steps on their path to the treasure (by learning about the Lode Poneglyphs at Zou rather than Lodestar, in addition to anything they hear now on Egghead)?
The reveal of the snail's location I think means we see the end of the broadcast in a maximum of two chapters, probably just in time to leave one final thing unsaid for a big cliffhanger. But with this already being the sixth chapter of volume 110, it's looking like we'll still be on Egghead at the end of this book. Ebaf by the end of vol 111 for sure though.
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
Artifact in the shelf for +800 years until last week
not only that, Imu himself is against advancement and wants the world medieval for ever so what changed now ? to go the opposite direction ? none of that shit makes sense.
If you mean why did they shelve the weapon and bring it out last week.
The implication is that they didnt have the energy to make it work after the war but thanks to the mother flamme they can use it again. Thats why they needed to test it on the island.
Vegapunk seems the only one smart enough to copy stuff from back then. And they have been using him to make weapons for a while. Using the flame energy to ressurect the weapon is just the lastest example of it.
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Seriously why does the Viz site say next chapter in 7 days? Is that an error on there part?
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@Shiebs said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
Seriously why does the Viz site say next chapter in 7 days? Is that an error on there part?
It's probably automatic. And someone forgot to change it for this break.
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@desa said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
@Shiebs said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
Seriously why does the Viz site say next chapter in 7 days? Is that an error on there part?
It's probably automatic. And someone forgot to change it for this break.
Cool cool thanks
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
Yamato certainly seems popular in the Flower Capital, which is probably a good sign that the unfortunate sentiments in the kabuki retelling of the raid haven't been taken to heart by the citizens. Good news for Tama, right? Urashima has been forgiven as well, so maybe memories are just short in Wano.
Given how Oda has played out his plots before, cover stories included, at this point I'm just waiting for when Yamato's expectations turn upside down, given Yamato's naivety of the wider world and lack of social experience.
Same goes for Tama too, and that's not me trying to be cruel, but me recounting what Oda himself mentioned in an SBS about how past and present, discrimination is still an issue in societies.
So even if the people of the capital haven't had their hearts poisoned in particular by their hatred towards Kaido and Orochi, I think it's fair to suggest how other parts of Wano, whom I recall were affected worse than the Capital, would react towards Yamato and Tama's heritages. So I'm quite interested in how Oda will progress this.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
But we know some things that he doesn't, as did the Roger Pirates. Remember this interesting little bit from Rayleigh in chapter 967?
"It's not the weapon we're after ... it's the people who called it a weapon." What this says is that the Ancient Weapons predated the name we know them by, and likely had a different purpose before they were weaponised for the ancient war. I think it's pretty likely that the intent of Joyboy wanting the weapons and their will to be inherited was to restore them to their original purpose, whatever that was. And, of course, it's pretty obvious that Vegapunk's info doesn't include the parts that made Roger decide he was "too soon" to fulfill the One Piece's intended purpose. Maybe if Vegapunk knew these things he'd have firmer judgements to make on right and wrong.
Yep, and this combined with Tom's philosophy about how ships aren't built as weapons, but just ships, could lend to the outside of the box idea that Shirahoshi and Pluton aren't inherently weapons, but all depends on how who you ask and what you use them for.
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@electricmastro Yeah, it's really hard to gauge where he's going to take this. It would make sense for people in the Flower Capital, who lived lavishly, if in fear, to hold less of a grudge than the people from the small towns who were more directly starved out and enslaved in the factories. Cover stories can rarely be fully predicted from the first few installments, and facing this kind of prejudice would be a good way to broaden Yamato's very limited perspective.
But these are really complex issues to try and resolve in the wordless pantomime of a cover story. But then, when else could they be addressed? There's not going to be a second Wano arc, so it's probably now or never.
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@electricmastro Exactly. The only Ancient Weapon we have any real information about is Poseidon, and we can see plainly that first, she's just a girl, not a weapon; and second, her power has the obvious use of towing Noah rather than unleashing the beasts on enemy ships. She perfectly fits the bill for a power that is capable of being weaponised but has a clear other purpose.
You do have to wonder what the other purpose of Uranus could possibly be though, considering the little bit we've been shown so far.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
@electricmastro Yeah, it's really hard to gauge where he's going to take this. It would make sense for people in the Flower Capital, who lived lavishly, if in fear, to hold less of a grudge than the people from the small towns who were more directly starved out and enslaved in the factories. Cover stories can rarely be fully predicted from the first few installments, and facing this kind of prejudice would be a good way to broaden Yamato's very limited perspective.
But these are really complex issues to try and resolve in the wordless pantomime of a cover story. But then, when else could they be addressed? There's not going to be a second Wano arc, so it's probably now or never.
I can see that. The people in the Flower Capital def didn't live the same as the people in the areas effected by SMILE or those enslaved in the mines, so the hatred towards Orochi and Kaido as well as their relatives might actually vary from region to region.
Even though these first few installments have Yamato all smiling and happy-go-lucky, yeah, it's prob rather evident Oda will throw in some problem or obstacle that will challenge Yamato sooner or later, given how his storytelling has challenged characters in the past.
Whether it be Yamato facing prejudice for being Kaido's child, having her expectations turned upside down, or something else, I just can't imagine Yamato's time in Wano will be all easy going and simple, not because I want her to be unhappy, but to follow on from that naivety Oda had made apparent in how she knows next to nothing about the world at large, much like how Oden himself was before he set sailed.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
@electricmastro Exactly. The only Ancient Weapon we have any real information about is Poseidon, and we can see plainly that first, she's just a girl, not a weapon; and second, her power has the obvious use of towing Noah rather than unleashing the beasts on enemy ships. She perfectly fits the bill for a power that is capable of being weaponised but has a clear other purpose.
You do have to wonder what the other purpose of Uranus could possibly be though, considering the little bit we've been shown so far.
Looking at it evidence itself without outside opinion, it seems as if Shirahoshi's main purpose was to help transport the Noah, and that the Sea King being used as a means for that could be reminiscent of Momo commanding Zunesha.
Pluton could possibly be a ship like the Noah with a similar purpose. As for Uranus, I suppose it could alternatively have been used for land reformation, or something along those lines.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
Vegapunk: informs the world of the imminent floods to try and save people from being caught unaware and dying
Rayleigh: "Hey, Vegapunk, don't spoil the fun!".
Stupid drunk old bastard.
More like magnificient drunk old bastard
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
@electricmastro Yeah, it's really hard to gauge where he's going to take this. It would make sense for people in the Flower Capital, who lived lavishly, if in fear, to hold less of a grudge than the people from the small towns who were more directly starved out and enslaved in the factories. Cover stories can rarely be fully predicted from the first few installments, and facing this kind of prejudice would be a good way to broaden Yamato's very limited perspective.
But these are really complex issues to try and resolve in the wordless pantomime of a cover story. But then, when else could they be addressed? There's not going to be a second Wano arc, so it's probably now or never.
I can see that. The people in the Flower Capital def didn't live the same as the people in the areas effected by SMILE or those enslaved in the mines, so the hatred towards Orochi and Kaido as well as their relatives might actually vary from region to region.
Even though these first few installments have Yamato all smiling and happy-go-lucky, yeah, it's prob rather evident Oda will throw in some problem or obstacle that will challenge Yamato sooner or later, given how his storytelling has challenged characters in the past.
Whether it be Yamato facing prejudice for being Kaido's child, having her expectations turned upside down, or something else, I just can't imagine Yamato's time in Wano will be all easy going and simple, not because I want her to be unhappy, but to follow on from that naivety Oda had made apparent in how she knows next to nothing about the world at large, much like how Oden himself was before he set sailed.
I still hope for Yamato to find a certain old forgetful hag spat out of a volcano rampaging in search for some food.
That aside I hope this very miniseries will finally answer the sempiternal question about Kaidou and BM's status.
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@rayleigh92 said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
@electricmastro Yeah, it's really hard to gauge where he's going to take this. It would make sense for people in the Flower Capital, who lived lavishly, if in fear, to hold less of a grudge than the people from the small towns who were more directly starved out and enslaved in the factories. Cover stories can rarely be fully predicted from the first few installments, and facing this kind of prejudice would be a good way to broaden Yamato's very limited perspective.
But these are really complex issues to try and resolve in the wordless pantomime of a cover story. But then, when else could they be addressed? There's not going to be a second Wano arc, so it's probably now or never.
I can see that. The people in the Flower Capital def didn't live the same as the people in the areas effected by SMILE or those enslaved in the mines, so the hatred towards Orochi and Kaido as well as their relatives might actually vary from region to region.
Even though these first few installments have Yamato all smiling and happy-go-lucky, yeah, it's prob rather evident Oda will throw in some problem or obstacle that will challenge Yamato sooner or later, given how his storytelling has challenged characters in the past.
Whether it be Yamato facing prejudice for being Kaido's child, having her expectations turned upside down, or something else, I just can't imagine Yamato's time in Wano will be all easy going and simple, not because I want her to be unhappy, but to follow on from that naivety Oda had made apparent in how she knows next to nothing about the world at large, much like how Oden himself was before he set sailed.
I still hope for Yamato to find a certain old forgetful hag spat out of a volcano rampaging in search for some food.
That aside I hope this very miniseries will finally answer the sempiternal question about Kaidou and BM's status.
I’m sure Oda would take the time to answer a number of things he didn’t before, in case he’s too focused on Egghead/Elbaf within the manga itself. lol
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Rayleigh's behavior is clearly the actions of a man drowning in regret. Vegapunk's story seems to be reopening the wounds of how powerless the Roger Pirates were in the face of the One Piece and the associated history. Roger driving the future generations towards "all the fun" was all his crew could do; seems Rayleigh harbors some regrets about that.
Wait...I don't think I understand how Vegapunk concluded the Roger Pirates got access to the full history in the first place.
And just a reminder that York IS Vegapunk: The side of him that has willingly cooked up weapons and tech for the government to misuse in whatever ways it seems fit for decades to advance his own ambitions. Just cuz someone's giving him a taste of his own medicine does not earn him any pity from me.
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@Sirxxx said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
Rayleigh's behavior is clearly the actions of a man drowning in regret. Vegapunk's story seems to be reopening the wounds of how powerless the Roger Pirates were in the face of the One Piece and the associated history. Roger driving the future generations towards "all the fun" was all his crew could do; seems Rayleigh harbors some regrets about that.
Wait...I don't think I understand how Vegapunk concluded the Roger Pirates got access to the full history in the first place.
And just a reminder that York IS Vegapunk: The side of him that has willingly cooked up weapons and tech for the government to misuse in whatever ways it seems fit for decades to advance his own ambitions. Just cuz someone's giving him a taste of his own medicine does not earn him any pity from me.
Wouldn’t doubt that York is being set to make more Mother Flames for the Government as further motivation for Blackbeard to get a weapon of his own.
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I think it's stupid for the Roger pirates to be called out
It makes perfect sense for them not to speak up to anyone. because they're pirates. naturally rejected by the public so who would believe or trust them ? That's why Vegapunk is perfect for this job of enlightening the people with the truth and not some scallywag scums.
I still finds it odd how Vegapunk knows about a hidden island that bears the complete history. was that also covered by Ohara scholars ? damn they uncovered a lot. this piece in particular is new. I thought only Rayleigh and the others had access to this.
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"The Roger pirates vanished" except the second in command runs a quite public and demanded business just a few miles away from the WG capital, revealed his whereabouts to an admiral 2 years ago, didn't slightly bother to change hideout or anything else about his daily life and just goes on with his carefree routine, and the ship doctor is literally the first person anyone entering thr grand line through the main entrance meets, just chilling there at the one landmark existing in the area, just to be sure you can't possibly miss him.
Considering the trouble the WG went through to kill the hypothetical innocent son of the Pirate King, it surely makes you wonder if there's something more to this inexplicable impunity other than the usual plot-convenient comical incompetence.
Curiosity has its own reason for existing
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
I still finds it odd how Vegapunk knows about a hidden island that bears the complete history. was that also covered by Ohara scholars ? damn they uncovered a lot. this piece in particular is new. I thought only Rayleigh and the others had access to this.
This is a good point. Tangentially related, how does Vegapunk know the Roger Pirates know the Complete True History? There are a lot of assumptions being done here unless he talked to a former Roger Pirate.
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I get it from VP's view. He is proactive and if something concerning a danger to the planet should be known, the public has a right to know.
It's like those end of the world films where the scientist or the main characters are like the world has a right to know and there is this other side like "i'm not sure we should tell them. They might panic and make it worse".
Usually the latter group is selfish, but they aren't totally wrong. People tend to not take things seriously or turn to chaos.
If the PK crew felt they were not equip to do anything, what does that say for anyone else?
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@Gizmo said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
I still finds it odd how Vegapunk knows about a hidden island that bears the complete history. was that also covered by Ohara scholars ? damn they uncovered a lot. this piece in particular is new. I thought only Rayleigh and the others had access to this.
This is a good point. Tangentially related, how does Vegapunk know the Roger Pirates know the Complete True History? There are a lot of assumptions being done here unless he talked to a former Roger Pirate.
He had to have spoken to one of the Roger’s. But also it seems that that Roger’s didn’t tell Vegapunk anything or much about the void century, just that he knew everything. Now how would Vegapunk believe somebody like that?. He probably asked some questions to this somebody and this somebody was probably trustworthy. Judging by Rayleigh’s reaction, that somebody was probably Rayleigh.
Now I understand Vegapunk questioning why the Roger’s who knew the truth didn’t do anything about it, But to US readers it has been made kind of clear. The Roger’s didn’t have to take any actions or they actually did take some actions that some thought necessary. Whatever the Roger’s found at Laugh Tell, it hinted to them that somebody was coming that will be the one to take actions, that somebody of course being Joyboy. Oden went on to try to open wano while Roger tried to help bring about Joyboy and made sure to motivate Joyboy to follow the path towards Laugh Tell.
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@realtenchu I don’t think he talked to Rayleigh. Rayleigh was willing to say the whole truth to Robin if she asked. Feel like if Vegapunk was given that same opportunity he would have taken it and learned everything he could.
I’m betting this is more just a plot hole than anything, but another option is Robin told Vegapunk the Roger Pirates knew everything. It lends credence to the idea that this is a livestream of some sort if Robin provided that info and have everything be consistent, but again, think it’s just a plot hole or an assumption on Vegapunk’s part given it’s seemingly common knowledge the Road Poneglyphs lead to Laugh Tale and the Roger Pirates ended up there, so they probably found all four Road Poneglyphs and therefore knew how to read Poneglyphs, therefore they could have found out all the secrets of the Void Century, or something.
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@Gizmo I agree on Robin, it could have been her that told Vegapunk about the Roger’s otherwise is indeed nonsense for him to theorize the Roger’s knew. Remember nobody outside of the Roger’s knows what’s in Laugh Tell. Only the strawhats were told that all of the void Century secrets are there.
I didn’t quite get your livestream thing. What, you think Vegapunk is alive inside that robot, live-streaming this whole thing?.
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@realtenchu their consciousness could be in Punk Records. It’s a working theory that’s been brought up ever since it’s been shown in the recording that only the dead Vegapunks coincidentally are on camera at the moment.
Not sure the timeline would allow the prerecording to occur with the Vegapunks shown on camera given when Stella properly met Robin, hence why the theory’s shaky if the recording is truly just a recording. But would need to reread the arc to make sure.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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It seems like Sengoku and Tsuru are both heading to Hachinosu (or atleast trying to find Garp). It'll be interesting to see where they go and Akainu knowing about the details kinda disappoints me because I was expecting to see some nuances and conflicting views from his character when he comes to know about the whole truth but this chapter denied that on face.
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@Alfiere said in Chapter 1116: Inner conflict:
"The Roger pirates vanished" except the second in command runs a quite public and demanded business just a few miles away from the WG capital, revealed his whereabouts to an admiral 2 years ago, didn't slightly bother to change hideout or anything else about his daily life and just goes on with his carefree routine, and the ship doctor is literally the first person anyone entering thr grand line through the main entrance meets, just chilling there at the one landmark existing in the area, just to be sure you can't possibly miss him.
Considering the trouble the WG went through to kill the hypothetical innocent son of the Pirate King, it surely makes you wonder if there's something more to this inexplicable impunity other than the usual plot-convenient comical incompetence.
The only comical thing about this is your desperate attemp at criticism.
Vegapunk meant the moment Roger Pirates had discovered the truth. Instead of tellin everyone about it act on it, they disbanded and removed themselves from the frontlines of pirate world.
I mean is this really that hard to unsderstand? No wonder people have issues with Oda's writing on weekly basis when they can't understand implications of basic sentences.
