What i can say about the whole Yams thing is that it certainly changed my perception of the OP fandom
Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon
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@zeltrax225 said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
I always thought Yamato being a guy is her playing a role, just like how in Japanese cultural history, females do play male roles in Kabuki, which is followed by voice acting even. The earliest kabuki actors were in fact actresses playing male roles. This is something ingrained in their cultural history that the west simply do not get. Just like how the Acts and Kanjuro's role flew over their heads and they simply do not care but instead jump immediately onto the whole trans/gender debate as if Oda cares as much as they do.
Both extreme sides of the debate choose to be ignorant instead of understanding that no, the whole world does not actually revolve around great oh-fucking-america.
Just like how Sanji is a cook down to his very soul and Zoro lives and breathe swordsmanship, Yamato lives and breathes the role of Oden. If Oden won't be feminine, she won't. If Oden bathes with the guys, she would. Oda explicitly did two things: created Kiku as the trans-character and made her sexuality very evident and whether you want to accept it or not, approved Yamato's gender in the book plus drew her in the recent cover. He's not exactly going out of the way to portray her as a trans either. The character doesn't seem to particularly gives a shit about making it a big deal.
It might be hard for the west to accept that not everything needs a fucking label and there's an in-between. Hell, the whole country of Japan is an in-between.
I'll even go on a limb that says that like Luffy, Yamato's sexuality matters less than who or what their dream is and who they represent. I thought the audience have read the series enough to know that who you are doesn't matter as much as who you want to be but here we are.So if the question is then what is Yamato's gender and I'll say maybe, just maybe, consider that she is biologically a female but wants to be Oden, to the very minute/extreme and that includes masculine behavior and you know, acting like how he, a biological male, acts. If you think about how the straw hats live and breathe what they do (cook, navigator, shipwright) and the themes of dreams and living the life you want, you'll understand that Yamato is doing the exact same but rather than "surviving a grand line tornado makes me a better navigator", it's "doing this and perfecting this Oden detail makes me closer to who i want to be". Burn me at a stake, whatever. That's my take and falls thematically in line with the series over whatever the fuck I've been reading on twitter.
Actress in a male role is another interesting way to put it. We'll have to see how long Yamato keeps trying to copy Oden after achieving the freedom she craved for so long.
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
What i can say about the whole Yams thing is that it certainly changed my perception of the OP fandom
Honest question here, how so?
Any fandom is just a sample size of society, I could see the drama and phobia brewing a mile away when Yamato was introduced.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@Goukan said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
4.) If Imu is going to be fully revealed now, in the next 2-3 chapters, I was pondering why didn't Oda do it before, in 1060 with the Lulusia stuff? What needed to happen in the last 25 chapters before Imu's appearance could be revealed?
Oda sometimes keeps a mystery for the sake of keeping the mystery. Kinda like Kuzan being the 10th captain was obvious for so long we started discarding that idea because the reveal wouldn't be that impactful.
Yeah, Oda likes to keep people guessing like that.
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@MetaMario said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
Yamato and Kaido didn't really talk about this, yeah, but given how this comes from the same manga, I think it's still worth considering.
Man, seeing this page reminds me of something my friend proposed - Kuina and Zoro switching roles, so her trying to be the greatest AND defy her own idea that a girl "would be weaker than the boys", which adds more narrative weight. It'd be awesome.
Hell years ago I had found a fanfic where she was taking Zoro's spot on Luffy's crew (among other switches like Gin instead of Sanji and Kaya instead of Usopp), but can't remember the name.but oh well. sorry for the tangent lol
I have a feeling a lot of the people who love Zoro and think he is tithe best thing in OP would hate Kuina and call her a Mary Sue if their roles were switched and she was exactly the same character as him but woman…
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@FolhaS said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@wolfwood said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
What i can say about the whole Yams thing is that it certainly changed my perception of the OP fandom
Honest question here, how so?
Any fandom is just a sample size of society, I could see the drama and phobia brewing a mile away when Yamato was introduced.
I dunno, guess i thought our little fandom was a little more Bon-Clay and hadn't really been faced with the deep relentless hatred side so much before. The amount of shit i've seen posted about this has given me a, perhaps equally misguided, view of the fandom and it isn't a great.
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
What i can say about the whole Yams thing is that it certainly changed my perception of the OP fandom
If anything, I'm glad he drew the 1084 cover as is even though people on the internet would find any reason they could to hate on him for it. Nobody should be afraid to be at their best while drawing their characters in art, including Oda.
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@zeltrax225 said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
I always thought Yamato being a guy is her playing a role, just like how in Japanese cultural history, females do play male roles in Kabuki, which is followed by voice acting even. The earliest kabuki actors were in fact actresses playing male roles.
Opposite, actually. In modern theater only men are allowed to be in Kabuki and play both male and female roles. It did start as only women, but after a bunch of meddling by the Bakufu it evolved into only men. If you want women playing men, you go to Takarazuka. Or sometimes Geisha will be in a dancing performance that has them dressed like men.
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@Satsuki said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@zeltrax225 said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
I always thought Yamato being a guy is her playing a role, just like how in Japanese cultural history, females do play male roles in Kabuki, which is followed by voice acting even. The earliest kabuki actors were in fact actresses playing male roles.
Opposite, actually. In modern theater only men are allowed to be in Kabuki and play both male and female roles. It did start as only women, but after a bunch of meddling by the Bakufu it evolved into only men. If you want women playing men, you go to Takarazuka. Or sometimes Geisha will be in a dancing performance that has them dressed like men.
Oh right, I recall Sailor Uranus from Sailor Moon was also based on Takarazuka. She didn't deny being a woman though.
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@FolhaS said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@wolfwood said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
What i can say about the whole Yams thing is that it certainly changed my perception of the OP fandom
Honest question here, how so?
Any fandom is just a sample size of society, I could see the drama and phobia brewing a mile away when Yamato was introduced.
I dunno, guess i thought our little fandom was a little more Bon-Clay and hadn't really been faced with the deep relentless hatred side so much before. The amount of shit i've seen posted about this has given me a, perhaps equally misguided, view of the fandom and it isn't a great.
Ah, optimism. Its a terrible gift.
Thats why all the cool kids are into nihilism nowadays. -
So could this mean Vivi just got more relevant to Luffy's journey? I wasn't so sure what greater purpose Vivi could have with Luffy, since I figure she'd be happier and do more in Alabasta now that Cobra is gone, but with this chapter elaborating how her ancestor had relevance to the Will of D., maybe that would give Vivi more purpose with Luffy beyond their reunion.
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If Im goes after Vivi then she could become narratively important (princess needs to be rescued because she descends from the one good family), but not character-development important. But I still hope she gets to shine a little more, and at least interact with the crew a little bit more (with new members as well). I got really disappointed by her lack of presence in the Reverie arc, where she should have had a bigger role. But the fact that she is a big player for the final war may change things.
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@Chams-0 said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
If Im goes after Vivi then she could become narratively important (princess needs to be rescued because she descends from the one good family), but not character-development important. But I still hope she gets to shine a little more, and at least interact with the crew a little bit more (with new members as well). I got really disappointed by her lack of presence in the Reverie arc, where she should have had a bigger role. But the fact that she is a big player for the final war may change things.
I think it goes to show how much Oda held back with Reverie. We're just now getting Reverie Part 2 and Vivi's presence again after five years.
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@Johnny-B-Decent I'm pretty sure citizens of Marijoa knows about Imu hell even expelled ones like mingo knows too ( most likely ) but her being on the empty throne that's a big secret among the small circle but since Cobra is on his way out she didn't mind him knowing since he's a dead man especially after asking about the d.
anyways we're both eager to know why she won't appear to the public, an explanation is surely required
maybe she loves her fellow celestials so much that she won't disturb them by letting them know there are someone above them, obviously they would hate that.
the real question is who who led the allies against the Great Kingdom ? doesn't that leader deserves sovereignty ? instead of this dumb shit ?
reminder that Queen Lili is a bitch for fighting against the Great Kingdom thus leading the world into this miserable state, she might be badass but let's not forget she's involved in this disaster of creating the WG and defeating the good rulers, she's forever guilty even if she got done dirty by Imu, she's still a bitch who agreed to fight joy boy and end his good and unprejudiced reign.
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
reminder that Queen Lili is a bitch for fighting against the Great Kingdom thus leading the world into this miserable state, she might be badass but let's not forget she's involved in this disaster of creating the WG and defeating the good rulers, she's forever guilty even if she got done dirty by Imu, she's still a bitch who agreed to fight joy boy and end his good and unprejudiced reign.
While it might be true, I think we are jumping the gun without knowing the entire story.
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So far we know that the Ancient Kingdom was allied with some of the Ancient Weapons (mermaid princess recieved a poneglyph letter from Joy Boy and Pluton was left in Wano). As good as Joy Boy was, he had weapons capable of destroying the world, and they could be seen as a threat by other countries.
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Personally, I think a lot of Void Century theories are upside-down, and that the roles often associated there may be reversed.
For example, we know the "Ancient Weapons" may not be really weapons, only considered so because of their destructive potential. However, they seem to have had some other purpose.
Another thing to consider is that we know there were three Ancient Weapons: Poseidon, Pluton and Uranus. We never heard anything of Uranus except its name. However, both Pluton and Poseidon were said to have the power of destroying islands whole. Doesn't that sound like what Imu did to God Valley and Lulusia?
We know Joyboy, with the power of the "Warrior of Liberation", made a promise he couldn't fulfill with the mermaid princess. That promise somehow is tied to Noah, a titanic ship meant to bring the fishman people to surface. To me, this says that oppression and discrimination were already prevalent during the Void Century.
Another thing: the World Government was only formed at the end of the Void Century, so whatever oppressive force there existed back them was not caused by it.
We know the Ancient Kingdom existed, and it's suggested it's ideology was opposite to the World Government. But, at the same time, we also know that "gods" already lived up in the Grand Line, almost as if there were some sort of Celestial Dragons already.
And Imu was fixated on four portraits: Luffy's, Vivi's, Shirahoshi's and Teach's. All but one of them seem to have a Void Century counterpart: Joyboy, Lily, Poseidon... So, who's Teach's counterpart?
Also, Rocks D Xebec seems to have some connection to both Teach and the Void Century. He was a terribly violent pirate who sought to become "King of the World". The World Government tried to hide his existence so he was forgotten.
Finally, it seems there are some independent nations that inherited a purpose related to the Void Century and would play a part to bring the "Dawn" to the world: Wano and Mokomo Dukedom (Zou) for certain, probably Elbaf, and I also guess the Kuja isolated themselves for a similar reason.
Putting all that together, what if the struggle during the Void Century was already to fight a terrible oppressive "Ancient Evil" force and bring the world to the Dawn? What if the Ancient Weapons were to play a role in restoring the world to balance? What if there was an alliance between every race to fight the Ancient Kingdom? What if one of the Weapons (or its wielder) convinced some greedy kings to betray that alliance and take the gods' place for themselves? What if that betrayal shattered the hopes for the Dawn, leading Joyboy's apology to Poseidon?
So, my view of the Void Century is this:
- The Ancient Kingdom was evil. Maybe not for its entirety, but for the last 100 years of its existence some Ancient Evil ruled it.
- The 20 kings were part of the alliance that fought the Ancient Kingdom, but they betrayed it, spurred by Uranus, and took its place.
- The World Government hid the story of the Void Century to hide its betrayal and continuation of oppression, instead painting itself as the heroic organization who reshaped the world.
- The existence of both Joyboy and the Ancient Evil was erased both so people couldn't hope for liberation nor realize the World Government just took the Ancient Evil's place.
- The Ancient Weapons were named so to hide their real purpose in the Dawn of the world.
- As the current World Government loses its grasp and is weakened, the inheritor of the Ancient Evil rises.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Curious to see how the Lunarians factor into this history. Was the Ancient Kingdom Lunarian? was Joy Boy? Or were they the ‘original celestial dragon gods’ living over the Red Line? Whenever special races appear in fiction it could be a sign of weird racial theories (like considering groups of people as a monolith, such as they are all good or all bad), but I trust Oda. So far political themes in One Piece have been super interesting and well done.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
For example, we know the "Ancient Weapons" may not be really weapons, only considered so because of their destructive potential. However, they seem to have had some other purpose.
Another thing to consider is that we know there were three Ancient Weapons: Poseidon, Pluton and Uranus. We never heard anything of Uranus except its name. However, both Pluton and Poseidon were said to have the power of destroying islands whole. Doesn't that sound like what Imu did to God Valley and Lulusia?
My gut reaction is to say that each Ancient Weapon is really a system of power meant to transport a vehicle of some sort. If Shirahoshi is basically like a commander, commanding Sea Kings to carry the Noah, then my gut reaction tells me that Pluton is meant to be carried by someone who’s also being commanded, and likewise the same would apply to Uranus by that logic.
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@electricmastro There’s theories like that. I think it was Artur’s the one the believed each Ancient Weapon is composed of a person to control it, a device/vehicle as its vessel, and a creature/creatures to be commanded to move/operate the device.
So, Poseidon is Shirahoshi, Noah and the Sea Kings.
Pluton is supposedly Momonosuke, the warship, and Zunesha.
I like the theory, it makes sense. If it’s correct, Uranus is probably Imu, something that shoots beams, and a flying creature to carry it.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
I like the theory, it makes sense. If it’s correct, Uranus is probably Imu, something that shoots beams, and a flying creature to carry it.
looks at the giant egg Roger carried
Not sure I like that theory, it would make Poseidon and Pluto the exact same thing changing only the animal carrying it.
But I like the idea of the Ancient Kingdom being evil with the WG actually being the good guys in that war.
But while I like the idea of Joy Boy being part of the alliance that was betrayed by the 20 kings and the WG being the corrupt faction of the formerly good alliance, I think I would prefer if they were the whole good guys and Joy Boy their leader who after victory lost his way and instead of liberating ended up becoming the new opressor (Im).
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@electricmastro There’s theories like that. I think it was Artur’s the one the believed each Ancient Weapon is composed of a person to control it, a device/vehicle as its vessel, and a creature/creatures to be commanded to move/operate the device.
So, Poseidon is Shirahoshi, Noah and the Sea Kings.
Pluton is supposedly Momonosuke, the warship, and Zunesha.
I like the theory, it makes sense. If it’s correct, Uranus is probably Imu, something that shoots beams, and a flying creature to carry it.
Could also be taken one step further in suggesting that each vehicle is meant to be commanded by a princess, going by Shirahoshi’s case.
Since Queen Lily is being brought up, then I suppose she could have been someone who commanded Pluton or Uranus in the past, and that maybe Vivi inherited this responsibility like how Shirahoshi inherited hers.
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@access-timeco I like the idea of a corrupted Joyboy, but it would clash with the fruit being reborn and eaten by Luffy, unless there’s some Ope-ope body-swapping shenanigans involved (like Imu being in the body of Lily so he can command Uranus or something like that).
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@electricmastro I do think Vivi may be the new Uranus, which would then make Imu related to the Nefertari somehow.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@electricmastro I do think Vivi may be the new Uranus, which would then make Imu related to the Nefertari somehow.
And would give further perspective on Im having a picture of Vivi alongside Shirahoshi's picture too.
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@Chams-0 It was known as the advanced prosperous kingdom, the other 20 shitholes simply felt great jealousy and envy towards the great kingdom that reigns supreme over the world with justice and fairness
Vegapunk explained enough of the insane technology that belongs to that kingdom, hell he can't even tell the power source it's just too much for him, that tells you everything you need to know about the great kingdom's unbelievable success
now back to the conflict, i don't know who's the cunt who united them all but he/she did a great job and I'm pretty sure JoyBoy could've crushed them all but he's too kind and chose to save blood by letting them win, he took his weapon with him and sealed it deep in Wano and god knows who's the fucker who built the giant walls to make it impenetrable fortress so no one touches the weapon as it may go horribly wrong under evil hands, Speaking of which I'm very curious to know how Uranus fell under captivity ?, what harsh circumstances that made joy boy leave it behind and not seal it far away like Pluton ? because the invincible lunarians most likely got eradicated by Uranus right after JoyBoy's defeat. I'm sure the public were lied to and got manipulated thinking the allies were their saviors.
what interesting is the person who malignity hate the great kingdom must've also hate technology and loves nature, hmm reminds of someone setting in a room full of flowers and butterflies with guards outside wearing medieval looking gears, backward is an understatement to describe Imu.
mark my words she got into power by cunning and deceit just like Orochi, and yes betrayal is also expected.
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My theory is
The ancient kingdom was ruling most of the world or the whole world and one of its leaders, maybe the king or a prince wanted to unite all races and bring equality. Maybe the prince wanted to marry the mermaid princes/queen and the 20 kings who loved their hierarchies, their social status and power over others didn’t want to go along with any equality, And the prince and mermaid princess engagement was the last straw. Of course the 20 or 19 kings were helped by another leader of the Ancient Kingdom, possibly another prince, third in line to the throne and jealous of the main prince and this is where Imu comes in. Imu himself could have been the one who influenced the 19 kings into rebellion. This Uranus weapon or the weapon that Imu used could have been an invention of the ancient kingdom that he took control of during his rebellion. It seems to be some type of Satellite lasers weapon. I don’t think it’s fruit power.
If you notice, one of the main themes in one piece is racism and classism and hierarchies, heck the freaking Tree in wano made it his point to educate us about how world of One piece is and how it is the right way for it to work. There’s been a lot of racism against the fishmen and we learned how they used to be hunted down as regular fish some 200 years ago. I think all of this will intertwined with whatever happened in the void Century and to the Ancient Kingdom.
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@Deicide So, I had done a bit of research when Saturn's name was first revealed:
https://japantruly.com/names-of-planets-in-japanese/
So, the first five planets around Earth, and the first discovered were Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. In Japanese, they are named after the Five Classical Chinese Elements. So, Mars = Fire Star, for example.
But the later three; Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, are all "King" stars. Neptune is the "Sea King Star", Uranus the "Heavenly King Star" and Pluto the "Darkness King Star".
Shirahoshi, who commands the Sea Kings, Blackbeard, the user of the Dark-Dark Fruit, and Vivi, who could have lived in the heavens...
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@Johnny-B-Decent I feel Blackbeard is more like Luffy/Joyboy than an Ancient Weapon like Shirahoshi.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@Deicide So, I had done a bit of research when Saturn's name was first revealed:
https://japantruly.com/names-of-planets-in-japanese/
So, the first five planets around Earth, and the first discovered were Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. In Japanese, they are named after the Five Classical Chinese Elements. So, Mars = Fire Star, for example.
But the later three; Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, are all "King" stars. Neptune is the "Sea King Star", Uranus the "Heavenly King Star" and Pluto the "Darkness King Star".
Shirahoshi, who commands the Sea Kings, Blackbeard, the user of the Dark-Dark Fruit, and Vivi, who could have lived in the heavens...
Yeah, if the Elders and Im represent the earlier planets, then princesses like Shirahoshi might represent Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, or "sky, sea, and land." since "Pluton" can also be the name of a type of rock, so it being underground of Wano is fitting with it being representative of land.
So here's my gut reaction:
Uranus/? - Commander of sky creatures
Neptune/Shirahoshi - Commander of sea creatures
Pluto/? - Commander of land creatures
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@Deicide Well, we know Pluton is a ship, not an ability. And if the theory of the crew finding Caribou comes true, then he'll know about where it is.....
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@Deicide Well, we know Pluton is a ship, not an ability. And if the theory of the crew finding Caribou comes true, then he'll know about where it is.....
Well Pluton might be like the Noah, in that it's only one piece of the bigger picture, so Pluton could easily end up needing a pull system like the Noah does.
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@electricmastro Unless it runs on the same sort of near-infinite energy source that is said to have powered the ancient robot from Egghead. Same goes for Uranus.
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it's a giant warship made in water 7 by engineers using the ancient kingdom's tech
i highly doubt it operates similar to poseidon, in fact i believe it's similar to the combat aircraft uranus, both are metals not flesh. that's my guess.
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I think Oda goofed by making Poseidon a super version of the mermen's fish summoning thing. Should have been an ability on par with the Ancient Weapons.
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Just a thought guys.
What about IM being the previous JoyBoy for who queen Lili gave her life away as a user of the Ope Ope no mi?
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I feel like we are about to see some revelation about Uranus in Egghead. That’s because Caribou is there, as he was in Fishman Island and Wano. So he will have acquired the complete info on the Ancient Weapons to later give… Blackbeard, maybe?
Also, I wonder if Im and the WG had any clue that during theReverie they had one of the weapons under their nose. I forgot if Im also had a picture of Shirahoshi, so he must have been suspicious, but not confirmed. Had Charlos succeeded in capturing her, he would have been responsible for one of the biggest WG wins in the story, lol
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@Chams-0 said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
I feel like we are about to see some revelation about Uranus in Egghead. That’s because Caribou is there, as he was in Fishman Island and Wano. So he will have acquired the complete info on the Ancient Weapons to later give… Blackbeard, maybe?
Also, I wonder if Im and the WG had any clue that during theReverie they had one of the weapons under their nose. I forgot if Im also had a picture of Shirahoshi, so he must have been suspicious, but not confirmed. Had Charlos succeeded in capturing her, he would have been responsible for one of the biggest WG wins in the story, lol
Oh yeah, Caribou already knows 2 of them, so I guess we'd get major focus on Fish-Man Island and Wano again by the time Caribou knows all three, reveals all three to the world after blurting them out, and then crap hits the fan for all of them because of that.
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@Johnny-B-Decent It's also interesting that Oda elected to use the name Pluton - an epithet for Hades meaning "the wealthy one" or "giver of wealth" - given that it's in Wano, which was described as once being a country of gold. Which can even have a double meaning since volcanic activity is associated with both gold deposits and fertile soil.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@Deicide So, I had done a bit of research when Saturn's name was first revealed:
https://japantruly.com/names-of-planets-in-japanese/
So, the first five planets around Earth, and the first discovered were Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. In Japanese, they are named after the Five Classical Chinese Elements. So, Mars = Fire Star, for example.
But the later three; Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, are all "King" stars. Neptune is the "Sea King Star", Uranus the "Heavenly King Star" and Pluto the "Darkness King Star".
Shirahoshi, who commands the Sea Kings, Blackbeard, the user of the Dark-Dark Fruit, and Vivi, who could have lived in the heavens...
That's because they're rough translations of the planet's eponym from the West. Uranus is named after the embodiment of the sky from Greek ie a heavenly king, Neptune is named after the King of the Sea, and Pluto was a god that ruled the underworld, so a Dark King (Rayleigh's nickname is based on similar kana/kanji) . And they have those names in Japanese because those three planets weren't discovered until much, much later after the teleoscope, whereas the other five can be seen with the naked eye.
Either way, Pluton's a frickin' ship.
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Man, remember when Caribou was introduced he was kinda of a religious man? Praying for forgiviness, etc? I wonder if his ''boss'' is some kind of religious figure or saint...maybe a Holy Knight? Or maybe the man with a burned scar (seems like something that easily can get a religious meaning in universe).
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@Bugs said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@Deicide So, I had done a bit of research when Saturn's name was first revealed:
https://japantruly.com/names-of-planets-in-japanese/
So, the first five planets around Earth, and the first discovered were Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. In Japanese, they are named after the Five Classical Chinese Elements. So, Mars = Fire Star, for example.
But the later three; Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, are all "King" stars. Neptune is the "Sea King Star", Uranus the "Heavenly King Star" and Pluto the "Darkness King Star".
Shirahoshi, who commands the Sea Kings, Blackbeard, the user of the Dark-Dark Fruit, and Vivi, who could have lived in the heavens...
That's because they're rough translations of the planet's eponym from the West. Uranus is named after the embodiment of the sky from Greek ie a heavenly king, Neptune is named after the King of the Sea, and Pluto was a god that ruled the underworld, so a Dark King (Rayleigh's nickname is based on similar kana/kanji) . And they have those names in Japanese because those three planets weren't discovered until much, much later after the teleoscope, whereas the other five can be seen with the naked eye.
Either way, Pluton's a frickin' ship.
Actually, given all the hell references, it could be a a ship that could have underworld origins for all I know, which would put Water 7 into perspective.
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Or it's a ship that amplifies the power of Devil Fruits. Imagine a ship that uses the power of a Logia like Enel's or Sakazuki's, 10 times more powerful.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
Or it's a ship that amplifies the power of Devil Fruits. Imagine a ship that uses the power of a Logia like Enel's or Sakazuki's, 10 times more powerful.
Might be true too for all we know.
However people feel about Luffy's devil fruit being mythical zoan instead of paramecia, I think stuff like this has encouraged people to think fourth dimensionally, in that the things we "know" could easily turn out to be incomplete or flat out incorrect.
So just as something so "established" like Luffy's paramecia fruit could turn out to be something more, things like the Ancient Weapons could turn out to be different than from what we assume too.
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Myosgard glowup is so underrated imo.
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@trollatron786 said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
Myosgard glowup is so underrated imo.
I’d hope we get a flashback to what Orohime told him that changed him that much.
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So, Ch 1085 is coming out next week. Guessing:
- A big reveal (Imu's face, Lili's fate and/or vague summary of Void Century).
- Sabo sees Cobra's death.
- Vivi saved by Chaka/Pell. Wapol witness it.
- Flashback ends
- Cliffhanger for the Revolutionaries or return to Fullalead
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One fun fact I did stumble across is that, in the Egyptian afterlife, it was believed that if a soul was deemed worthy after being weighed the deceased would then proceed to take the ferry across the Lake of Flowers to reach a paradisaical afterlife, which was also called Lily Lake. Lilies in ancient Egypt were also a symbol of rebirth and the sun.
Could very well be a coincidence so I won't read too much into it at the moment, but it's certainly interesting imo.
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I don't think any of us back in 2002 would have realized how important Alabastra is to the OP World.
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@Johnny-B-Decent
The scope of the story only really started to be shown in Jaya. That was when we got the first multi-hundred-million bounties, Five Elders, the Whitebeard guy being "the man closest to the One Piece", Blackbeard's first appearance (and he's a D!)... And we were still far from knowing about more weapons like Pluton, Admirals, Four Emperors, Celestial Dragons...Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
