Chapter 1078: Escape Limit
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Not to sound nitpicky, but I guess Franky was confused and/or frustrated enough that it didn't cross his mind to use Weapon's Left on S-Snake. Good enough chapter, though, even with only 15 pages. Kaku realizing 2 panels later that Luffy just called him Usopp was pretty funny.
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There's an irony to Lucci berating Luffy for punching something over and over. He of all people should know better.
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@Cyan-D-Funk Aw, son of a bitch!
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I said it on the spoiler thread and I'll say it again but the best part for me is learning that Luffy was using G5 during their trip.
I want to see what kind of tricks he used to make his crew laugh like that. It's limitless what kind of cartoonish thing he can do now and that's 100% him to use G5 outside of battle for that purpose.
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@fana said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
I said it on the spoiler thread and I'll say it again but the best part for me is learning that Luffy was using G5 during their trip.
I want to see what kind of tricks he used to make his crew laugh like that. It's limitless what kind of cartoonish thing he can do now and that's 100% him to use G5 outside of battle for that purpose.
That scene with him in G5 was already from when Sakazuki/Elder Stars found he was in Egghead, so it was depicting his fight with Lucci.
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@All-Fiction What's even funnier is that Luffy calling Kaku Usopp has happened before, all the way back in chapter 325. This was 753 chapters and almost nineteen years ago.
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Well Bonney’s looking pretty miserable right now, isn’t she?
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So, my comments for Ch 1078:
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Someone suggested to me that it would be cool if Caesar and Judge joined Cross Guild, and I agree. Excelent way to fuse dangling plot threads into a single one.
So, I'm hoping Neo MADS get a contract with Crocodile before this cover story is over.
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My suspicions of Stussy being a triple agent under the Mastermind have been reduced. I see little reason for her to contact Sentomaru if she wanted no interference in the events.
This doesn't put her entirely out of my sights, however. She may still be waiting a signal do act.
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Sentomaru is now aware that something is wrong in Labophase, thought we don't know how much Stussy told him (does she know of the Seraphim attack yet?).
This is important. That way, when help arrives, Sentomaru will be able to explain the situation.
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I'm SO SO happy Franky was only partially transformed! I've been expecting him to be taken out of combat, heavily damaged but out of sight, so he may rebuild himself with Vegapunk tech...
This made that outcome more likely!
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S-Snake continues to be the most effective Seraphim. This scene of Pythagoras' apparent demise is brutal!
I feel the Seraphim, S-Snake included, are all but confirmed as lacking personality. I feel we'd see them showing emotions, be it joy or regret, in moments like this.
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I feel the fate of the Robin/Atlas/Chopper group will determine the entire second half of Egghead. I'm really curious about what will happen when they reach the underground lab.
Plus, all 4 Seraphim are busy. So who or what will attack them?
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Brook entered his spirit form. He's likely going to witness whatever happens to Robin's group, while at the same time missing what happens to Sanji and Nami. This may save him from being petrified by S-Snake, for instance.
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People are over-hyping Sanji here.
This is round 1, and the Seraphim are children. As they grow up, they gain base strength, AND improve their gene-inherited fighting styles.
I feel a very similar scene will happen with the adult Seraphim, but then Sanji won't fare so well.
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Luffy asking Kaku to help Zoro while calling him "Usopp" was priceless. Nice callback to Water 7.
I wonder where S-Hawk is heading. The group most likely for him to find is Sanji/Nami/Brook. That is also the most likely next group for S-Snake to find.
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I'd be more hyped for the big future "Egghead Incident" if instead of several nobody marines we were seeing some of the more impressive known ones here.
Tsuru, Tokikake, Gion, Onigumo, Doberman, Momonga, Dalmatian...
I still think this won't be a "new Marineford", yet.
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I think the "Egghead Incident" will culminate with a Vegapunk (Stella?) sacrificing himself to broadcast to the world the secrets he found in his research.
Imagine the whole world learning the knowledge the WG tried to hard to hide. This would truly be the beginning of the end.
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I find the York reveal so... underwhelming?
York was a non-entity, we never got to know anything about her before.
While I see her potential as a villain, and I think she will deliver in that regard, a mystery plot is only fun when it's solvable by scattered clues.
But York being the culprit doesn't work because she was the character with least clues about her, while in a real mystery plot you have the opposite. It felt, IMO, like a cheap trick to keep the audience in the dark.
HOWEVER, there's something that doesn't add up in this reveal... And it's that York can't have done this alone.
For instance, York was in plain sight when the Frontier Dome was deactivated. And neither the Seraphim nor Stussy weren't available there to have done that.
So, she either has a minion or an accomplice.
And, since there's no other characters to blame, that colaborator must be another Vegapunk.
Yes, I know York just declared the world only needs one Vegapunk, but that statement could still be true even if she's working with someone else.
She could be planning to betray her accomplice, for instance. Or she may consider herself no longer a "Dr. Vegapunk" when she becomes a Celestial Dragon.
Notice that York didn't answer Stella's question. "Was this all your doing?". What if the answer is "no"?
Sincerely, I'm not ready to completely trust Atlas yet. What if Atlas is leading Robin and Chopper to a trap? A trap that Brook, in spirit form, gets to witness, and thus learn who's behind everything?
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide
I don't get why you still think/want Atlas to be a antagonist so badly.It's over, stop coping and accept the fact that your Atlas theory was wrong.
Also it's not too surprising that the least focused Vegapunk ended up being the traitor, it was the same thing with the Scabbards and Kanjuro.
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@DarkWitch said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
it was the same thing with the Scabbards and Kanjuro.
It wasn't the same with Kanjuro because it was totally possible to pinpoint Kanjuro way before the reveal, both by logic and by exclusion.
From the traitor being one of the time travelers, to Kanjuro's powers being perfect to relay information, to finding noticing that Kanjuro was always getting the info that later reached Orochi.
This was not possible with York.
@DarkWitch said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
I don't get why you still think/want Atlas to be a antagonist so badly.
It's over, stop coping and accept the fact that your Atlas theory was wrong.It's not over until we get exposition of how York did the things that allowed all this to happen.
Like disabling the Frontier Dome. That scene was crafted in a way that plainly excluded York as the possible perpetrator. When I see that kind of contradiction, I get suspicious.
Not to mention that a lot of info in Atlas' dialogue with Luffy and the others have led nowhere yet.
As for giving up: I didn't give up when Yamato was still telling us flat out she was joining the crew.
But I did give up on Ace dying when Luffy rescued him... only for him to die anyway two chapters later. That taugh me Oda will sway readers in one direction, onchange directions soon after. I should have trusted my insticts back then, so I keep trusting them now.
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I am still wondering, why York wants to be a Celestial Dragon, I do understand wanting to be the only Vegapunk, but a Celestial Dragon, thats more up Stelly's way. Oda robbed him of his moment to shine.
Though maybe he will become the new Imu, so I am not giving up hope for him to achieve his dream!
It's good that the event to take down Vegapunk was planned month ago, three month ago is a long time in One Piece, this might take us back to the 2 year time-skip, potentially at the end of it, before the StrawHats reunited.
Luffy did a lot in that time, he became the 5th Emperor, took down two of the old Emperors and became one of the four Emperors!Now what will that big event be? Is it the appearance of the Grandfleet and their big event which Oda teased at the end of Dressrosa, or are those events unrelated.
Could an admiral possibly fall or the death of one of the 5 Elders.
Or will the world finally know more about the void century, Vegapunks last dying wish, if he dies, could be to leak his knowledge to the whole world and usher in a massive change in the current world order. The public getting information of what the government does and has done to keep them down. -
York was a non-entity, we never got to know anything about her before.
While I see her potential as a villain, and I think she will deliver in that regard, a mystery plot is only fun when it's solvable by scattered clues.
Here's your clues:
I guess desire is the theme of the arc, so it's fair for the embodiment of it to be behind everything.
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@King-Cannon Those are not clues, they are at most nudges.
Clues cue us in character's motivations, actions or behaviors that are related to the events.
Totally unrelated characters that are completely unaware of the plot mentioning a recurring theme are not clues to solve a mystery. They can just as much be red herings.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
@King-Cannon Those are not clues, they are at most nudges.
Clues cue us in character's motivations, actions or behaviors that are related to the events.
Totally unrelated characters that are completely unaware of the plot mentioning a recurring theme are not clues to solve a mystery. They can just as much be red herings.
Sure whatever. To you, clues are nudges when they aren't convenient to your argument.
You can't have this cake and eat it too. You keep up making completely arbitrary arguments based on the littlest things, and then try to call out similar arguments. Reminder that you kept going about Atlas being uploaded in the Punk Records and controlling the Dome, even though such a thing hadn't been established beforehand. But then you say some form of remote technology can't exist because it hasn't been established beforehand, even though Oda can reveal such a thing at any moment because he's the writer, which is an argument you use ALL THE TIME.
Stop being dishonest Deicide. Arguing like this is a bore. "Oda can do anything based on anything, but those things, they don't count".
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@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
Stop being dishonest Deicide. It's why arguing with you is a bore. "Oda can do anything based on anything, but those things, they don't count"
Oda can do anything he wishes. That doesn't mean everything he does is good.
I'm suspicious that York couldn't have worked alone because the story made a clear point that she couldn't be the one disabling the defenses. To me, that means there are more revelations to come, and I will speculate on that.
You don't agree? Whatever. Just don't try to convince me by pointing two characters that were completely unaware or York's plot coincidentaly talking about desire as proof that York work alone.
Especially when in hindsight Lilith's observation on sea beast behavior was flat-out wrong because we now know the mastermind had tampered with the sea beasts as part of the plot.
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The mystery silhouette person that we saw back in 1075 is probably just Caribou.
I highly doubt any other characters is a traitor, saying there is still another traitor that is secretly helping out York is just being on copium at this point.
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@DarkWitch said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
The mystery silhouette person that we saw back in 1075 is probably just Caribou.
It's S-Shark. He was missing until he attacked later. The silhouette was there to hide the then-unknown fact that the Seraphim went rogue. That revelation only happened later in that chapter.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
@DarkWitch said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
The mystery silhouette person that we saw back in 1075 is probably just Caribou.
It's S-Shark. He was missing until he attacked later. The silhouette was there to hide the then-unknown fact that the Seraphim went rogue. That revelation only happened later in that chapter.
Actually you might be right about it being S-Shark, the only reason why I didn't think it was S-Shark is because the hands didn't match.
But maybe that was just an error on Oda's part.
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York can have an accomplice but it is not a Vegapunk since she wants to remain the only one. Atlas is out of the equation now.
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@DarkWitch said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
Actually you might be right about it being S-Shark, the only reason why I didn't think it was S-Shark is because the hands didn't match.
But maybe that was just an error on Oda's part.Oda purposely fakes silhouettes. The whole point of silhouettes is to hide someone's identity, and Oda has no shame to blatantly change details so we keep speculating. I think the reason is that we are not meant to identify someone the characters seeing the scene can't identify themselves.
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This breeze of salty air really gives this forum an ocean-y vibe
It's interesting to note that in Viz' translation York has actually been to Marijoa as well, and that it's not just her sharing Stella's memory of having gone there like in the fan translations
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@Coookie said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
This breeze of salty air really gives this forum an ocean-y vibe
It's interesting to note that in Viz' translation York has actually been to Marijoa as well, and that it's not just her sharing Stella's memory of having gone there like in the fan translations
I wonder if all the Punks went to Mariejois to gather something from the Elders to program the Pacifista Command Hierarchy, like DNA samples, voice samples or something (all of which has also been applied to the Seraphims as well).
Because as far as we know, the Elders, Punks and Sentomaru don't have the equivalent of an Authority Chip (that we even saw depicted not too long ago), so the Pacifistas have to recognize the different levels of authority somehow.
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I'm not gonna lie, that panel of Sunkist staring down babybei is pretty great.
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This whole traitor plot has definitely made Egghead more enjoyable to me than when we thought it might just be lore and only lore. Fun chapter and loving things.
I will say, it feels kinda wrong that the cover skipped over showing past-Bakkins mooching off MADS, but now it feels like we're about wrapped up here. Maybe another page showing where they went from here or a page showing all the siblings together, but otherwise this feels about the end.
I feel like Sentomaru's gonna stick around to go "Down with the ship" so to speak and confront Kizaru when he arrives, now that he knows he's actually coming. We'll see if the unimportant citizens actually make it out and if they pick the right direction to go so they don't just get sunk at sea. It'd be a good Ohara callback if the first sign of the attack is the sinking of the citizen's ship. Might as well use them for something dramatic like that, since they really haven't been shown much.
The crushing of Pythagoras seems much more definitive an end, which seems to me like we can finally feel like the Punks are actually getting eliminated. Shaka might really be dead too, but I'll give that a little more time. There's definitely no reason why Lilith shouldn't get smashed next chapter, as there's nobody around to delay Snake anymore, and Hawk should probably be able to make it to Edison before Zoro and Kaku can stop it. Maybe while York is explaining herself, we'll see a little montage of them getting finished off. That would just leave it down to a chase to catch Atlas.
Looks like both Robin group and Jinbe/Stussy are using the boots to try and move faster. Maybe we actually will see the boot restraints get activated again to further limit who's actually active. I could see Zoro threatening to cut his feet off again...
Brook going spirit should mean he gets overlooked when something really bad happens to Sanji/Nami/Edison and then when things look like they're at their worst, good old MVP Brook will be back again to save the day.
York the greedy wants to join the greediest, laziest, awful people of the one piece world.... yup, makes sense to me. I'm glad at least 1 of the punks is crying foul on the decision to abandon their good thing in the world just for the sake of researching some ancient history some more. The void century is all in the past and the spirit of the Vegapunks is making the future! Just leave the past alone and move on, amirite? Leave it to the nutty criminals that don't have much to lose, like Robin, who I'm sure will have a lot to say if York makes an argument like this.
Anyway, I look forward to whatever York's reasoning will be and what comes next. We should hopefully get another chapter of context and developments before we finally fully dive into Bonney going through the memories. Bonney might return to join Brook as one of the only people left active to change the tides.
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My opinion on York being the traitor will depend on how it all plays out. I can see it making sense in a way, as her function is basically to do all the functions that prevent people from working (eating, using the bathroom, sleeping). I can see a few ways how she views this. One is how she might be seen as lesser as she doesn't do anything of note compared to the others who invent stuff. This would seem to limit her ability to be a person as she is constantly functioning in a way for the others to do what they want, not what she wants. On the other hand, perhaps she loves the life of leisure where she can just eat and sleep, and the Celestial Dragons basically have that sort of life, but with much greater power that comes with it.
Looking at it another way, while she is the traitor who probably allowed CP0 to get to the top, I doubt she is the one who contacted the World Government. At this time I can't really put into words why I think this way, but I feel that York is a red herring for who the insider is. My main reason for this is why would she be the one to kidnap the various Cipher Pol's that came to Egghead. I have a strong feeling she is one of at least two troublemakers on the island who have different motives. Whether or not they are working together or not is also to be seen. As for who I would think the actual insider is who was contacting the World Government, hard for me to say at this time.
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I would have liked the Sanji part better if he was bleeding while making that comment so that, it would have a more comical edge to of him trying to be all stoic while being hurt. But as it, I'm convinced this whole bit is just a case of Oda trying reassure Sanji's fans that got upset at his fourth place bounty. That no, the marines once again made a mistake, and that he actually is stronger than Jim Boy.
As I've said before, I'm not surprised York is the traitor given the fact she's the only one who never really put herself in danger. But... she's such a non-entity that I feel nothing for the reveal. I don't feel betrayed because she had no real interactions with the Strawhats or really anyone beforehand.
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I was hoping the reveal of who was behind the attacks would be something more interesting than another traitor, but I can't complain - Oda told us first minute it was a Vegapunk behind it, so it's my fault for looking for something else. And since this is what we got I am happy It's York.
She had basically zero screen time given to her, only 1 or 2 lines (before this chapter we didn't even knew what first person pronoun she used - which is something interesting just because Oda gave each VP a different one) and was instantly removed from the arc in a super definitive way. Also, since I realized she has Sailor Moon hair, her design skyrocketed in my list.
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@The-Franky-Tank said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
Looking at it another way, while she is the traitor who probably allowed CP0 to get to the top, I doubt she is the one who contacted the World Government.
We don't know who lowered the dome's shield. Maybe York did because she wanted to regain control of the Serapphim and the presence of the Strawhats made Aegis less of a problem after witnessing Luffy's fight with Lucci. Maybe Caribou did because he was trying to get out; he can move about mostly undetected. I don't think it's super important.
Taking Cipher Pol agents captive was simply a means of keeping the heat on Egghead. If they don't return, then the WG will think they might have found something and were prevented from reporting it.
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So wait do people think Atlas is working with York or that she’s a secret other traitor not related to York?
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The mystery never really engaged me so i'm just glad the whole thing is settled. Bring on the marines with kooky DFs and get this show on the road
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@Shiebs said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
So wait do people think Atlas is working with York or that she’s a secret other traitor not related to York?
It's probably mostly copium justification for "Atlas is the traitor" theories, even though the "evidence" for that was interpreting an entire headcanon into one or two lines while outright dismissing other possibilities that were similarly based on loose interpretations.
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I'm not sure how i feel about the babybots having that whole flameman from battle network 3 power. Like i guess being absolutely indestructible is good for an end of the series threat. But it feels a little boring
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@Bugs said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
@The-Franky-Tank said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
Looking at it another way, while she is the traitor who probably allowed CP0 to get to the top, I doubt she is the one who contacted the World Government.
We don't know who lowered the dome's shield. Maybe York did because she wanted to regain control of the Serapphim and the presence of the Strawhats made Aegis less of a problem after witnessing Luffy's fight with Lucci. Maybe Caribou did because he was trying to get out; he can move about mostly undetected. I don't think it's super important.
Taking Cipher Pol agents captive was simply a means of keeping the heat on Egghead. If they don't return, then the WG will think they might have found something and were prevented from reporting it.
Most likely York is the one involved with everything and there really isn't a second traitor. There's just a feeling I have that there might be more that we haven't learned and a second traitor is involved. Something about the way we learned about the World Government being tipped off then the way York was revealed just feels a bit off. If it is all York, it just feels like a weird way to throw everything out at once.
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Luffy calling Kaku Usopp is simultaneously hilarious, but also like, WTF Luffy, comparing one of your best friends that's been on your crew since the beginning to a former member of CP9 (some of the most viles villains from the series)? Yikes. I know what the joke is here, so I'm not going to get too weighed down on this.
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Lost in translation, but York refers to herself as Atai あたい in the latest Japanese chapter. This self-pronoun was used mainly by strong-willed girls in Tokyo more than 50 years ago, which fits York's personality to have the ambition to rise to the position of Celestial Dragon
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For a short chapter it sure as hell feels like a lot happened this week, and Oda's building up Egghead to be a much more pivotal arc than I think anyone expected it to be.
With the flashback over, it feels like the cover story should be moving toward an ending soon. It's already added more to the main plot than most ever do, and I'm interested to see other parts of the world. Beast Pirates? Wano? Kaido and Big Mom? Jump backward and do the Doflamingo Family one that was conspicuously absent? There's a lot of options.
The opening scene feels like an extension of Sentomaru's bit in the last chapter, with not much new to say about it. An anime adaptation that wasn't doing half a chapter per episode might even just run the two scenes together to streamline things and save the back and forth cuts. What a world that would be.
But wait, weren't Cipher Pol talking about destroying all the ships on the island earlier? Hopefully the good guys got control back before they finished with that or this situation gets dicey real quick. The Sunny runs a skeleton crew (yohohoho) by real sailing ship standards, but I still don't think there's room left on it to move the population of a whole island.
One thing I'm not clear on in the S-Snake scene is what exactly explodes for that dramatic ending. It's not really Pythagoras, is it? Oda has not convinced me he's staying dead. And what happens with Franky now - too petrified to fight but too conscious to be left alone...
It's going to take some time, I think, to pin down exactly how much Sanji's personality changes when his eyebrow flips and his exoskeleton comes back (and I think this chapter makes it perfectly clear that it is back), because the bit about the power of love isn't something I can see the other emotionless and cruel Vinsmoke kids saying, and it's hard to say how much of his bloodlust last week was Vinsmoke blood and how much was just the way he gets over an attack on Nami.
One of the big perils of critiquing a series week by week is going on a whole talk about a story element that isn't feeling right only to have it immediately addressed. Here, it seems the Seraphim are deliberately keeping their flames on and not giving the pirate-CP0 alliance an opportunity to do real damage, as we were all saying they would do if they were smart. We haven't necessarily solved the issues with the fire system yet, but it's a step in the right direction and evidence that Oda's got a plan to make the fight all make sense.
Luffy calling Kaku Usopp and assigning him to babysit Zoro was a great laugh.
So, the Egghead Incident. An attempted repeat of Ohara against an armed nation. A war between the Navy and the science of Egghead crashed by pure chance by the fledgling Emperor Luffy. My question is what exactly is going to make this a battle that shocks the world? Will it just be the magnitude of the people involved - Emperors, Admirals and one of the Five Elders clashing directly? Luffy's win here would be a huge blow to the World Government's military and morale in a time of global uprising, which would be a pretty big deal, but things could escalate further still if the narrator actually means the unleashing of ancient knowledge and weapons, perhaps the reactivation of the ancient robot. I don't want to get my hopes too high, but there are so many exciting possibilities here.
Have we seen the dude with the white stripe in his hair in the Navy officer lineup before? I like his look. Oda finds a way to put memorable character designs in the most random of places.
And we close on the shock reveal of the enemy inside the lab - the traitorous Vegaclone York! So when it comes to writing mysteries, you can do ones where the reveal makes everything slide into place and leave clues that make sense in hindsight. These are generally solvable in advance by design. Kanjuro was this kind of mystery foe. His birds flying away after arriving in the future, his tendency to comically impede his allies and the whole lefthandedness thing gave us what we needed to figure him out. But you can also play your mystery as a straight up twist. No real clues, just something to take the audience totally off-guard. York is that kind of mystery.
And while most (myself included) will say they prefer the first kind of mystery, there's nothing inherently wrong with keeping readers on their toes with a twist villain every once in a while. Provided it at least doesn't outright contradict what's been shown previously.
And I think York mostly passes that bar. The Vegaclone designed for indulgence wants the lifestyle of the most decadent people in the world, I can buy that. S-Snake forcing the others off the walkway immediately after petrifying her and Oda never showing us the top again is a fun misdirect, looking back. Unfortunately, it's coming out that she was present in the control room at the time the Frontier Dome went down. Did she set something in the system for a timed outage, or did Oda just slip?
And I definitely remember thinking the timing window for the traitor was the hijacking of the Seraphim to start the death game was very tight for a Vegapunk to get away with. There's something like a 14 page span between the Seraphim being taken out of CP0's command and asked to stand down and the Vegapunks all being present again in the control room, getting ready to depart. And unlike the Frontier Dome with who knows what kind of wifi or remote terminal access, you have to do the Seraphim in person. But looking at that control room scene, York is on her feet, Sanji is reacting to her like she's just arrived, and she's yawning like she just came from a nap. It actually tracks with her going off to do something nefarious. I wouldn't call it a clue, you'd never catch it on a first reading, but it keeps the continuity in check.
I'm interested to see where we go from here. The vacant expression and cutsey way she talks, even about killing Shaka, makes it easy to forget that York has that Vegapunk intellect. That contradiction should give her a unique stage presence among One Piece villains, if nothing else. But will her deal with the Elders really work out like she hopes? Doflamingo had the blood, similar forbidden knowledge leverage and a whole nation's military might and was never reinstated. Maybe a big disillusionment here will be key to York turning back to the crew's side and ordering Usopp and Franky unpetrified. Maybe we get a York redemption where she holds back the Navy so the crew can escape in the style of Flim Z's final scenes, but that's getting way ahead of things. We'll just wait and see how things develop.
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This was a fun chapter. Feels like most of the lore dump and set up is out of the way so we can focus on the action. There was one cut away, but it flowed nicely and upped the stakes.
Something I'm starting to appreciate a lot with Egghead is that we're getting to the meaty parts before arc fatigue sets in. There's stuff to say about the pacing, there's been a lot of rushing, but the last few chapters have been pretty sweet. It's nice that we're getting this traitor reveal and I'm still hungry for more instead of that awful can we get it over with feeling that bogged down Onigashima.
Another place where I see this in effect is that I'm actually excited to see what this incident is gonna turn out to be. Normally I've started to tune out stuff like that since it tends to be postponed into the far future, or it overstays its welcome like Open Wano's Borders. But this feels like it might be a year off at most and that's very exciting.
The cast being almost entirely established characters is also something I've wanted for a long time. And I'll say it a hundred times over, I love Kaku. Thanks for bringing him back Oda.
Kinda fun how this is bucking the trend of the usual arcs, which tend to start strong and slowly worsen.
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@sandman said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
This self-pronoun was used mainly by strong-willed girls in Tokyo more than 50 years ago
Man Japanese really just has a super specific speech pattern for anything. Always like oh in the original X character uses the speech patterns of a 17th century blacksmith.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
And I think York mostly passes that bar. The Vegaclone designed for indulgence wants the lifestyle of the most decadent people in the world, I can buy that.
If you don't mind me adding to this, I feel like York's desire to be a Celestial Dragon is meant to say just as much - if not more - about Stella as it does about her.
The first time we ever see the original Vegapunk, one of the first things me learn about him was that, despite later showing that his true aspirations revolve around ending war, he ultimately chose the financial security of making weapons for the World Government. The second thing we learn about him is that he believes he could encourage a positive change from within despite this. Given that earlier chapters spent time setting up that Vegapunk works on a relatively tight budget, you can see why Vegapunk might've looked at the effectively limitless resources of Celestial Dragons - people who regularly throw around hundreds of millions on impulse purchases - and might've had the occasional stray thought of "Man, if I had the power and resources those assholes have..." And, under the current satellite system, you can also see how such laments might've slowly evolved into actions.
Which would make it rather fitting that Vegapunk's own greed has just killed his conscience.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
But will her deal with the Elders really work out like she hopes?
You know, I don't actually think there is any deal between the Elders and York. To me, the scene where York calls the Elders came across more like York was speaking to them anonymously or, if she did reveal her identity, was either anticipating or banking on getting an aggressive response from the government. After all, if there was a deal, then she would've figured out it was off when CP0 showed up.
Plus, when you look at the other CP agents that have been imprisoned, in 1076 you can see that the capsules are hooked up to a rather ominous-looking piece of machinery. Whether York is planning a Great Brain Robbery or something else, the marines and Saturn coming to Egghead feels like something York wanted to happen.
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
I'm not sure how i feel about the babybots having that whole flameman from battle network 3 power. Like i guess being absolutely indestructible is good for an end of the series threat. But it feels a little boring
Look all they have to do is punch the candles a few times and hope it doesn't respawn green because that's fucking bullshit.
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@last-exit-to-laughtale Great analysis of Vegapunk! His heart is definitely in the right place, but he's flawed in some pretty human ways, and given his flaws the ability to act independent of him. That's a really good addition.
Hijacking Saturn's brain would be a pretty interesting way for things to go as well.
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Still wondering when we will get to see Kuma’s flashback
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I'm really suspicious now. If Oda had planned out the Straw Hats having to face the colossal tasks of trying to take down all 100+ Marine ships in addition to an Admiral and an Elder long beforehand, then I'm sure it would have been logical enough to bring in someone like Yamato for back up against something that will arguably be worse than what happened to Ohara which was face with like 10 ships, and Marineford where Whitebeard was faced with 23 ships. This in addition to how Usopp and Franky have become vulnerable due to being stoned is giving me the suspicion that this arc won't amount to dozens of chapters of just trying to take all the ships down along with Kizaru.
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Just sharing my colors for those who don't read the spoiler thread.
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I really expected a lot from Vegapunk prior to this arc
he's just dumb af
like what did you expect when you create a clone made of your disgusting greed ?
anyways good chapter.
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1078: Escape Limit:
I really expected a lot from Vegapunk prior to this arc
he's just dumb af
like what did you expect when you create a clone made of your disgusting greed ?
anyways good chapter.
I blame him more for creating the pacifistas and the seraphims and giving top command to the CDs knowing quite well how despicable they are.
This man has greatly empowered the WG
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this vegapunk mystery thing is such a throwaway whatever thing. As a take on a mystery genre, it doesn't follow the established rules of mystery writing (think Agatha, Van dine, Conan) but tries to frame it as a suspense thriller here and there. As a plot point, it doesn't even feel like an actual threat but this has more to do with how the S-Pacisfistas never felt like threats to me. The entire thing can also be started and resolved in like 2 chapters tops without the need to take so many chapters and we are now having to once again, witness the straw hats scrambling around an island because of a plot point. It's just...whatever. There's the futuristic robot that might be from the lost kingdom, there's vegapunk past, there's kuma memories, there's kizaru coming but week after week the audience is expected to be invested in a budget among us where ultimately none of the crew was and will be seriously affected by the evil vegapunk and all the vegapunk that were "killed" are just collateral damage that there is no emotional investment for. I know enjoying the journey is a huge part of the series but with so many things happening why again should I really be invested in this vegapunk-but not really character that in 10 or 20 so chapters will be sidelined or be insignificant as another bigger threat is obviously looming.
