Chapter 1077: Should Have Noticed Sooner
-
-
Me reading ur posts like:
-
I cackled like an idiot way too hard at Luffy, Kaku, and Lucci getting angry at Zoro.
A few things that I have been wondering about over the break. First is how with Sentenmaru releasing all those Pacifistas, as well as with the Navy coming in with such heavy numbers, this skirmish at the top of the island is just the beginning of all their troubles. I definitely see them getting out of the center area, only having to worry about all those Pacifistas being taken controlled of, then when finally back to the water they are surrounded. This leads into the second point in how this incident is going to be the tipping point of an all-out war.
We already have two of the Yonko being toppled and an almost completely new line-up of pirates taking over. Wano was the tipping point of the Pirate World changing. Now with the Warlords disbanded, the Seraphim showing up and the plan to assassinate Vegapunk, on top of everything else going on in the world, everywhere will be in complete unrest soon enough. I'm starting to think that the Egghead island will be the incident mentioned where all of Luffy's comrades from Dressrosa will be coming in, and the eradication of Egghead and "assassination" of Vegapunk will be put on Luffy and the fleet
-
Since Sentomaru is telling the lab workers to leave the island, I suppose my assumption they were all robots was wrong. I didn't mind the SH never interacting with any locals because of that assumption, now I have to agree with people who complained about that on the Egghead thread and how it subtracts from the island as an arc location.
I really appreciate Oda showing Nami/Zeus attack on a Seraphim being more impressive than whatever Luffy/Zoro/Lucci/Kaku did together. But on the other hand, not really a fan that, on Nami's second action scene since she recovered Zeus, again she is unable to do anything and Zeus needs to carry the fight by himself.
I may start to fear getting a super powerful sentient weapon might end up being bad for Nami. -
I can't see the people going out like Ohara or all of the VPs getting on the ship. I think this arc will result in reinforcing Egghead as a spot not to take lightly like Wano.
There's been a narrative concerning unaffiliated countries, islands, etc. Sphynx, Vivi, Rev Army, VP is now a WG enemy and so are Judge and Caesar. Maybe Oda makes the Research Team and Rev Army more unified as a full circle thing since VP dismissed Dragon initially as a broke boy.
Possibly why Oda is bringing in an Elder. If the locals of Egghead could survive this, it will prove to be enough for the WG to not encroach when the crew isn't around.
I'm little confused on how Oda handles the Seraphim. It appears that they most likely oppose the WG in the end no matter who they serve or even gaining their independence. The WG can't keep taking L after L like this. I've been seeing a lot of newer VAs post ts, so maybe the draft worked out.
-
Pinned by
Shift
-
Now I wonder if Luffy will have to reunite with Hancock in order to reverse the stone effects.
-
@Cockycent said in Chapter 1077: Should Have Noticed Sooner:
I can't see the people going out like Ohara or all of the VPs getting on the ship. I think this arc will result in reinforcing Egghead as a spot not to take lightly like Wano.
There's been a narrative concerning unaffiliated countries, islands, etc. Sphynx, Vivi, Rev Army, VP is now a WG enemy and so are Judge and Caesar. Maybe Oda makes the Research Team and Rev Army more unified as a full circle thing since VP dismissed Dragon initially as a broke boy.
Possibly why Oda is bringing in an Elder. If the locals of Egghead could survive this, it will prove to be enough for the WG to not encroach when the crew isn't around.
I'm little confused on how Oda handles the Seraphim. It appears that they most likely oppose the WG in the end no matter who they serve or even gaining their independence. The WG can't keep taking L after L like this. I've been seeing a lot of newer VAs post ts, so maybe the draft worked out.
Oda seems to like narratives of preserving history/knowledge. So I'm guessing the giant brain is gonna be safe.
-
Less than 20 chapters in and this arc already has more tension than Onigashima. I’m loving it!
Predictions:
I think the shooter was Stussy. As Sanji left, she bit Jinbe and left him unconscious.
I feel S-Snake will go for Sanji/Nami/Chopper next, possibly leaving Franky half-petrifeid behind, to be helped by Pythagoras’ head.
Then, after S-Snake petrifies Sanji, Nami and Brook, it will be all 4 Seraphim vs Luffy, Zoro and CP-0
Kaku falls for S-Snake.
That’s when the evil mastermind (Atlas) locks the hover boots, it will be just Luffy and Lucci remaining.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
-
I’m still hoping for more Rocks Pirate Clones
-
the boots thing is still mystifing? was there an aside where they said "someone" messed with that system (the traitor)? b/c super geniuses couldn't remember to hold their boots in place with science magic?
-
The official translation definitely clears up a few points in the ending scene. TCB's translation made it sounds like Shaka only just now realized that the Cipher Pol agents never left the island; which didn't make sense given that Shaka was present when Lucci said those agents who visited Egghead were missing, and there's multiple scenes prior to that suggest Shaka knows more about the situation then the others, or at least has strong suspicions. After all, why would he be directing the other satellites to deny CP0 entry if he had no reason to suspect that this was anything other than a routine visit? This translation only makes it sound like he's surprised to find the agents in their abandoned basement lab, not that he's surprised to learn they were missing at all.
Sentomaru saying that the World Government's willing to eradicate Vegapunk regardless of the harm it does to future contributions is also noteworthy imo. I reread the chapters about the Ohara Incident recently, and one thing that is really driven home in those chapters (and Water 7 overall) is that the World Government really only values knowledge in the context of how it can be weaponized. Simply possessing or desiring knowledge is labeled as inherently dangerous, they think nothing of collateral damage if it they think it will help them hit the intended targets, and when the subject of Robin reading the Poneglyphs being unconfirmed if brought up Spandine argues that in the face of uncertainty you should assume the worst and eradicate the suspected threat.
And I think we're definitely seeing that play out here once again: Vegapunk has seemingly given them the ultimate weapons in the form of the Seraphim - a squadron of mini-warlords with all the power of the originals and then some, but (seemingly) none of that pesky self-interest/autonomy that made the actual warlords so unruly. So why wouldn't they think nothing of killing Vegapunk, and destroying all his accumulated knowledge along with him? In their eyes, they've gotten everything they could ever want from him, and the only other "weapons" he could possibly make now are buried in the exact history the World Government considers a threat. So what if losing Vegapunk means the rest of the world might never sees the fruits of his research outside of weaponry? It's a small price to pay for Buster Calling the island ten times over.
Another nice touch is that the clouds holding up Punk Records makes its silhouette look similar to the Tree of Knowledge on Ohara. I won't be surprised if the factory that makes those clouds gets targeted first when the fleet eventually arrives.
-
Sentomaru asking everyone to evacuate makes me think the WG will try to destroy Egghead just like Ohara. And Sentomaru notes that it will probably be even worse, if they are willing to end ths greatest scientist, so it makes me think that we will see Lullusia weapon in action again.
This is the arc that I feel the Grand Fleet will make it's comeback. Been enough time, and they will need ships to fight Kizaru's fleet and help eggheadians escape. -
@Deicide said in Chapter 1077: Should Have Noticed Sooner:
I think the shooter was Stussy. As Sanji left, she bit Jinbe and left him unconscious.
Stussy doesn't need a gun though. She has Tobu Shigan precisely for that.
Not saying it's impossible, but it would be a weird misdirection. Oda could have achieved the same result without showing a gun was used.
-
@King-Cannon
Characters pull guns even when it makes no sense. Arlong, Sanji, Robin, Doflamingo (thrice), Kaido and others have pulled out guns to threaten or to kill other characters. Oda likes guns as a symbol of death or danger.Also, by making it a gun, the identity of the shooter is kept secret.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
-
@Deicide said in Chapter 1077: Should Have Noticed Sooner:
@King-Cannon
Also, by making it a gun, the identity of the shooter is kept secret.Again, Oda could have achieved the same result without that little gun panel. Nothing would have changed at all. It's not like you can see the bullet.
-
@King-Cannon
I agree, but Oda loves using guns for killing/threatening characters.Even if the shooter is not Stussy, I don’t see any character that would make sense using a gun there. Unless it’s Yasopp or Curiel coming out of nowhere, lol. I bet any of the Vegapunks would have better weapons available.
Oda is shameless in introducing these kinds of elements just to misdirect the readers. It’s like Yamato’s mask or Garp’s dog hat, both of which ended up having no sense or meaning at all, being there just to hide their faces from the reader.
-
Ugh, I read the title and assumed it was pointing toward an enemy reveal. Oda played the hell out of me on this one. Not that I can be too upset, with the reveal set to happen next week and the Labophase Death Game hurtling towards its conclusion with around four characters taken out of the competition in one fell swoop.
The opening scene takes the time to show us in certain terms that the lab assistants are regular people, something we never really got the chance to establish in Oda's haste to introduce the Vegapunks and setup the horror scenario in the upper lab. Sentomaru is proving increasingly likable in this arc as he lets them all know what they're up against and gives them the chance to run.
Bit of an odd place for an Ohara refresher though, right? Wouldn't this have been best done a dozen chapters ago, before we were flashing back to Dragon and Vegapunk picking through the rubble and showing Saul alive? Strange choice.
Well, I said for the last chapter I wanted the Seraphim fights to have gone a little longer and I sure got my wish. Another thing I've said in the past is that the Lunarian defence-speed tradeoff was an undercooked mechanic for Zoro's fight with King on Wano, but I noted at the time that it could be forgiven if longterm it ended up being a primer for understanding future Lunarian battles. It's back here and... I still think Oda hasn't quite worked out what he's doing with this thing. The Lunarians don't seem to be inconvenienced at all by their flame being on. Sure, they're faster without it, but they've never been so slow they can't keep up while it's on. There's no apparent drawback to keep them from being, as Zoro says here, "basically invincible" all of the time. Oda needs to give the heroes a way to force the mode switch, or the Lunarians a compelling reason to do it, or every fight against these guys is going to end up feeling like a videogame boss doing that one attack that exposes its weakpoint, just for the player's benefit, even though you know it could have won if it just stopped using that move.
These battles are ongoing though, so we'll see where Oda takes it.
And the joke the chapter gets its title from did get a laugh out of me. That's a great little Zoro moment.
It's interesting how the Seraphim challenge the crew through their perception of what they are rather than their real purpose, even now that the crew know it. Nami hesitates to attack what is visually a child and sends her apologies to Jinbei. Franky reflexively apologises. Even Bonney, earlier in the arc, despite probably knowing better, can't stand to see damage done to the Pacifista built in her father's image. We know that these are obediant killing machines wearing cloned flesh. The characters know it too. But appearances are powerful. What was it Atlas said near the start of the arc? "Whether it's real or not is for you to decide."
Let's hope the crew starts making better decisions while they've got the chance!
Sanji was pretty active in the first clash with S-Shark and now he gets to fight him solo. I have a weird feeling this might give Sanji a chance to let off some steam over his bounty issue Jinbei. But I actually wouldn't be a fan of that happening. When it's Sanji and Zoro that's an established rapport with a long history of back and forth. But if he's getting that petty toward Jinbei you know it's going to be one-sided, and it's going to feel a lot meaner of him as a result.
It's very cool seeing the eyebrow switch and a crueler side of him coming out again though. Look at Sanji actually getting some compelling characterisation lately!
The bubble gun weapon that Lilith tries is pretty cool. Long have fans asked why seastone bullets aren't more of a thing for devil fruit enemies, so a tool like this is a logical thing to bring into the world. And it gives the Seraphim another weakness besides the hit and miss Lunarian fire game.
We aren't shown explicitly if Franky is fully petrified at the end of this sequence (though Usopp's dialogue implies that he is). I hope he's not. There needs to be more between him and Vegapunk and the tech! Plus there's going to be no one to fight S-Snake if he's not still kicking. We do get a clue about how the arc will end in Usopp's petrification though. The crew's not getting overwhelmed and barely escaping while the Government seizes the island, they have to sort out this enemy situation and get control of the Seraphim back or there's no more Usopp. The enemy can't win. They also can't really stay an enemy, if the authority rules hold.
With all this in mind, the final scene with Shaka seems to build toward the big reveal. He takes quite a brutal hit, even more than Atlas's face being smashed earlier. But as with Atlas before, and York, and Lilith, there's no way this sticks. They'll fix him one way or another.
So the enemy. With every Seraphim accounted for and more likely to use a laser weapon anyway, it has to be the actual bad guy who shot Shaka. Short of a big red herring like Caribou making his move. I've been a vocal advocate of a rogue Punk Hazard, but that doesn't fit with what's been shown. That theory always had to compete with the requirement that orders be given to the Seraphim in person. I thought the system might use holograms of the Vegapunks to give its orders, with the Seraphim not being sophisticated enough to tell the difference and that theme of perception making reality coming back. The footsteps on the stairs aren't very hologram-y, and weilding a physical gun is certainly not hologram behaviour.
You could maybe outfit a gun's handle and trigger with the stuff from Atlas's gloves that physically interacts with light, but that's a stretch. And if the answer is that convoluted we were probably never meant to guess it in the first place.
So it's a human being. Or at least has pulled a physical humanoid body from somewhere. Has to pass for a Vegapunk or someone of higher authority. Has to not be busy or petrified elsewhere right now. The suspect pool is dwindling rapidly and I really don't have any guess left I would feel confident in.
It's a real mystery, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it comes together (hopefully) for the solution next week.
And it's a good enough mystery that I'm not dwelling too hard on the things in the chapter that don't sit the best with me, from the Lunarian mechanics still not feeling fleshed out, to S-Snake and people's reactions to her still giving off a weird vibe, even accepting that her fruit responds to emotions other than lust, or Oda's weird extreme of horniness in this arc culminating in Nami's super blatant ass shot in the middle of her fight. It also wouldn't shock me, now that this chapter's out, if volume 106 turns out to have 11 chapters, and this is the start of 107. Gives the previous volume a Shanks cliffhanger and lets a new one open on Sentomaru's little recap.
-
@Captain-M About the Ohara refresher, I think it’s there because this chapter is likely Volume 107’s opener, so Oda is treating it as “any casual information drop must be understandable to newcomers”. Also, it may be that Ohara is an important part of the arc as a whole, and more chapters ahead will keep referencing it.
-
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1077: Should Have Noticed Sooner:
It's a real mystery, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it comes together (hopefully) for the solution next week.
The more I think about it, the more I doubt this will be the case. Mysteries, particularly if you think a traitor is at the center of it, require an establishment of motive that I don't think we've really gotten. The satellites and Vegapunks barely interacted with each other before the trouble started, so we don't have much to go on in terms of their general dynamic, much less what might motivate any of them to turn against the others. Hell, Atlas has literally only had a single panel of screen time with the other satellites, and she doesn't even speak in it, and she has zero panels of screen time with the Stella. As is, having a traitor be revealed now would be like if Lucci and the other CP9 agents never had any scenes with Iceberg before revealing that they were spies. There can't really be a betrayal plot, or at least not one with any emotional catharsis/resonance, if there's no established relationship to betray.
At this point, if there is a traitor, the only way to get around this would be to front-load all the emotional scenes with Vegapunk into flashbacks; and Kuma's flashback feels right around the corner. Which wouldn't exactly be an elegant solution. Doing so in a long flashback after the fact only makes the lack of character interactions at the start all the more glaring, and all the development will just be thrown out immediately because the revealed character will end up acting completely different from the flashback anyways. It's the big reason I'm still not convinced there's a traitor plot in the first place, or at least not in the way that's been discussed so far.
-
At the risk of sounding decidedly crazy, I think the enemy might be Imu. I started to think so back in chapter 1075 when the footstep sound effects used for the enemy (KTOK) reminded me of Imu, since they were the same effects used in the same way. Imu would also fit that silhouette that Shaka saw in the monitor before it was destroyed. This chapter, again, used sound effects that were very reminiscent of Imu’s steps. The terror in Vegapunk’s eyes would certainly make sense if he were looking up at Imu.
I know it’s little to go on, and maybe those steps are not unique to Imu, but they never stood out to me until Imu’s introduction (if anyone can point to other instances in the manga where they are used, please do). Things have been ramping up very quickly lately and seemingly heading towards endgame, so I could see Imu showing up here.
I’m only going off of the English translation though. Perhaps the Japanese version might provide more clarity?
-
@IAmTheMilkman Ktok or カツン is a common footsteps sound effects that has also appeared in the manga before Imu. In this very chapter, Shaka himself also made the sound effect as he was going down the stairs (2nd to last page, 2nd panel).
-
@All-Fiction I see! I missed that small translation next to the fx. Someone mentioned on Reddit that it was also used for Sabo before his reveal on Dressrosa. However, in both instances, it wasn’t used in quite the same way with the same font. But again, I’m just going off the English translation, and it could mean absolutely nothing anyway.
Admittedly, my track record when it comes to theories is quite poor.
-
The cover story should be wrapping up and coming to an end soon. So, what are you gonna do now, Judge and Ceasar? It's very odd considering how this should presumably be happening back during Wano, likely no later than Act 2. If they went after VP, they would've been to Egghead before us and if they decided to pick up Queen first they would've made it to Wano. They also didn't go look up Bakkins, so I'm not sure where these are now.
I'm not sure if Sentomaru is smart enough to really know how many of these folks around him are artificial, hologram, or real in the first place, but points for thinking of the civilians. I guess Lucci and Kaku will take care of getting their agents off the island themselves.
It's fun that even with their crazy level of defense, Bear and Hawk just can't do anything with the comedic quatro blocking their way. I wonder if they'll all just stay in this stalemate much longer, or if Shaka's departure will shift them into a new tactic. I'm still kinda expecting the entire floor to collapse here soon, sending the group down to the 3rd floor and causing chaos.
Sanji came fast, as I half expected as soon as Nami letting out a scream was mentioned previously. Brook's still good to go too, just seems like it takes him a little bit to recover when his head gets knocked off. Shark's fruit should in theory allow him an easy ticket to flee if needed, so I could see him swimming around to grab Edison and bailing (probably could even just dive down to floor 2 and jump Robin/Atlas/Chopper).
I don't really see Franky being able to do much whether he's only half stone or full stone. Seems like a typical Oda playbook to let Pythagoras manage to sneak away or hide so he can still be useful for something later, but we'll see. I could see Snake forcing Franky into helping her carry York, Lilith, and Ussop down to the basement lab under threat. I can't really see Snake carrying all 3 down there, so she'll need a little help and Franky might as well join the party in the basement that's about to happen.
Nothing much to say about the basement. We'll find out more next week.
That leaves Jinbe and Stussy together and the Atlas/Robin/Chopper group needing updates. Maybe Jinbe squad are coming too and just not as fast as Sanji, or maybe they let him take care of things and decided to keep searching. I'm definitely expecting that weapons manufacturing side of the labs to go boom eventually, but this might be too soon. I got nothing for the Robin squad, but should be fun.
-
@last-exit-to-laughtale I completely agree with everything. I've been careful - probably not 100% consistent, but trying anyway - to use the word "enemy" instead of traitor, because it would be hard to make a satisfying traitor of the characters we know.
Oda can do a good traitor storyline, Kanjuro proved that, but to do it again a single arc later and with a fraction of the setup time is a bit much.
But the enemy remains a mystery, whether they're a long lost vegaclone, a prototype automaton that inherited the ancient robot's programming, Punk Records putting on some smoke and mirrors, or just a loosed biological experiment or even a complete outsider that's been hiding in the vents for months, and I'm looking forward to seeing who or what it turns out to be.
-
This was a fun chapter. Good action and I'm a sucker for bad guys turning into allies so this is right up my alley. Plus I like Kaku, lovely to have him back. Lucci and Kaku are way more interesting than the samurai. Zoro was fun too. More dumbass Zoro please!
Only complaints would be some of the fight balancing (Usopp and Franky are taken out while Sanji and Zoro get the good bits) and giving S-Snake the mero mero fruit is really icky (not a fan of that unnecessary butt shot either). But I'm still more invested than I was during all of Wano and I'm actually excited to see who the traitor/enemy is. Might skip spoilers this week. I hope it's a new character or someone we didn't know were on the island, I wanna see what zany characters Oda can add to this arc.
Edit: yeesh my icon looks pixelated. Ugh I'll have to fix that at some point.
-
A couple of good jokes that made me crack a smile, but a rather forgettable chapter otherwise.
The mistery surrounding the traitor is still engaging, but keeps relying on very cheap wiriting bits. Shaka just going "oh, I suddenly realize there was a very likely place main Punk may be, i didn't tell anybone to look there before and i'm not going to tell Luffy now either, just quietly head there" is either really suspicious or really dumb.
I don't get the deal with Sanji. So his personality IS altered by the Germa upgrade? Or we're doing the same red herring for a second time? Or is it just a gag?
Nami desperately clinging to that last bit of charachterization and struggling to manage to strike a child is fine, but "just point me there and i'll do the rest in autopilot" is the most boring fighting mechanic ever seen in a battle manga. And then she immediately needs to be saved anyway. Ugh.
Finally, we're closing Usopp's charachter assasination arc with his litteral assasination. At least there won't be annoying protests in the crew when Elbaff is skipped.
-
I wonder if Zeus still being with Nami means that Big Mom didn't get incinerated. What do you guys think?
-
someone on Reddit pointed out that when the Seraphim use Green Blood's power their fire vanishes. We have 2 pairs fighting them, so 1 of each will serve as bait and the second one will go into attack mode.
Minor detail, but there's a continuity error in S-Snake drawings. When Franky piles her under the kairoseki bubble she changes her pupils from star-shaped to regular-shaped ones. Maybe in Vol 107 this is going to be corrected.
-
I think Zeus is officially disconnected to Big Mom now, and is just a part of the Clima Tact, like a spirit possessing it.
-
I'm loving the mystery of the traitor. I personally believe it is an outside party and I like the idea of either a Skynet situation
@last-exit-to-laughtale said in Chapter 1077: Should Have Noticed Sooner:
The more I think about it, the more I doubt this will be the case. Mysteries, particularly if you think a traitor is at the center of it, require an establishment of motive that I don't think we've really gotten.
If it is like a clone of Vegapunk betraying, then it can be chalked to self-preservation but I don't think the WG will even allow a clone of Vegapunk to exist and I expect the clones to be aware of that fact.
-
@trollatron786 I don't think self preservation makes any sense as a motive, mostly because of the MIA Cipher Pol agents being locked in the basement combined with the reveal that Vegapunk's Poneglyph research was leaked to the WG. You can't be acting out of self-preservation if you're the one who kicked the hornet's nest to begin with.
-
This chapter was another reminder that King could've won if he had his flames on at all times
Simply drag zoro into battle of endurance and win effortlessly, Specially that mosshead was on drugs and would die on his own when the dope worn off.
-
@hideoushorrendous Yeah, Oda has to give them a reason it can't stay on. Is keeping the fire on like holding your breath, flexing or sucking a gut in? Do you need a break after a minute or so of lighting it before you can put it back? Give us these details!
If fire-on is the default mode, every fight is the Lunarians' to lose.
-
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1077: Should Have Noticed Sooner:
@hideoushorrendous Yeah, Oda has to give them a reason it can't stay on. Is keeping the fire on like holding your breath, flexing or sucking a gut in? Do you need a break after a minute or so of lighting it before you can put it back? Give us these details!
If fire-on is the default mode, every fight is the Lunarians' to lose.
In chapter 1035 Zoro figures out that King has to turn off the flames to speed up.
-
@Barkworm He's not really shown having any trouble keeping up with the fight in his "slower" mode though. If it was like how Iron Body was first introduced, where most users could barely move with it on, that would make sense, but a Lunarian with fire is still a formidable competitor.
Basically, there is an advantage to turning it off, but there's no disadvantage to leaving it on. And that's where the problem with this setup comes from.
-
It's very likely that there's at least a couple of panels that can disprove this, but during the King fight I headcanon'd that the flame goes off while he's attacking, kinda like a videogame boss fight.
Otherwise there wouldn't be any point to turning the flame off, a speed boost sure is not a worthy trade-off for literal invulnerability, no? -
I think there is more to the flame dynamic than we know so far. Zoro surmissed the flame’s effects, but we still don’t know much about lunarian physiology. I don’t think they can keep the flames forever.
-
@Zanze Plenty of panels going against this unfortunately.
I saw someone saying they'd had a hard time finding panels of the Seraphim using devil fruit abilities with their fire on, but even if they can't, King certainly could, so it's not a universal drawback.
I'm sure, as Deicide says, there's more going on here that we just don't know about yet...
-
he trade invincibility for speed
like the worst excuse ever
and the worst deal ever too
not to mention he didn't awaken while the brilliant giraffe did
King was done dirty just for the good guys to win.
-
There was also that time when Zoro hit King's belly and he just randomly exploded. The Seraphims haven't done that yet though.
-
@Captain-M Little late this week but we do our best
-
How did Zoro beat King anyway, he wasn't in super-speedy mode when Zoro landed that final hit, and it didn't seem like using his flame powers switched off the backflame either
-
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
-
@Daz said in Chapter 1077: Should Have Noticed Sooner:
How did Zoro beat King anyway, he wasn't in super-speedy mode when Zoro landed that final hit, and it didn't seem like using his flame powers switched off the backflame either
For whatever reason, King didn’t had his flame on at that time (even though he didn’t need any boost in speed since he stayed in place during the attack).
@Deicide said in Chapter 1077: Should Have Noticed Sooner:
@Daz I think when he throws flames he spends the flame on his back. Same as when he exploded.
On the same chapter he uses a fire dragon attack on his underlings and keeps the flame on the entire time.
Most of the times he used flame attacks he had his flame on (except the final attack).
Also, most the time he used his DF he had his flame off, but in some occasions he kept it on (so it can’t be related to using the DF either). -
...So it's a mystery flame, huh?
-
Unpinned by Shift
-
Moved from Manga by Shift
Akainu used it as well to Whitebeard and Fujitora when he got beaten by WB and Fujitora apologized to Dressrosa.
