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Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game
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It really can't be anyone other than Punk Records at this point, unless Saturn has already arrived which I very much doubt.
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I've been waiting for this chapter.
So far, Egghead has been just set up. The fight with CP-0 wasn't the main conflict. The outside events were just a way to keep readers entertained as Oda moved the pieces carefully.
The arc is finally starting!
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Who's the traitor?
With Shaka, Pythagoras, Lilith and York being attacked, it leaves only Edison and Atlas as possible masterminds.
And... Atlas can change her looks however she wants? Another duplicitous potential...
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It's also clarified that the Mero Mero Fruit can work on forms of attraction other than lust. You find the little girl adorable? Is a gesture too cute? Sorry, turned to stone!
This isn't new, Hancock did use cuteness to charm people way back, but it's now presented beyond doubt.
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I don't think the team-up with CP-0 is happening, at least not immediately.
I'm sure Luffy and Zoro will refuse an alliance. Lucci and Kaku will probably hide and later escape. If there's a team-up later, the situation will be way more chaotic.
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Overall, this chapter left me hyped like no other Egghead chapter before.
Things now will start to move faster and faster! I feel the SHs are going to get a defeat like they haven't seen in a long time, before they can regroup and fight back.
I am now eagerly waiting for 1076!
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I thought this arc was supossed to be quick and cozy.
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@KageKageKing said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
I thought this arc was supossed to be quick and cozy.
The arc was structured as a short one until Ch 1073, however Oda was using that time to set up the real conflict, of which we were suspicious but not fully aware.
I don't think this arc will be very long (I feel it ends this year or at most in early 2024).
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It can still be someone like Shaka, if he ordered the Seraphims to not take any further order from them unless the whole lab is destroyed. That will technically be a 'order' still...
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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@auem Even if Shaka was a great actor to feign his reactions, I don't see why he would blind himself by ordering the Seraphim to take out the snailcams.
Plus, there would be no reason for him to alarm Luffy with "there's someone here". He'd probably just go "Oh, don't worry, it's just a malfunction, I'm working on it! Go get obliviously unaware of what's happening so I can enact my master plan!"
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Yeah, that fact that Atlas can change shape is a huge red flag right there, Seems to recall recently that a lot of people were apprehensive on how the stakes could stay high after beating Kaido, and I feel Oda has done a great job on building the stakes here. We saw how just two Seraphim took on some really powerful pirates, but here we have 4 on the island on top of a traitor, plus with a Admiral on his way. Throw in real Vegapunk missing and trying to protect the various numbers, it's less about winning and more about surviving. If the arc keeps it current pace and quality, this arc will be a great way for me to get reinvested after the slog that was the past arc.
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Cool chapter, I like where this is going with CP0 as the main antagonist being sidelined.
I've begun to wonder, though, if there is a traitor at all. Lilith insists that the Seraphim are the utmost form of humanity: what if something in their lunarian genes made them break free from their programming? In the scifi tradition of sentient weapons/AIs turning against their creators, they would be trying to eliminate anyone who has a chance to give them orders. Which interestingly makes old man Saturn not a threat but a target.
Punk Records is another suspect, but since we have yet to see it, I have a hard time picturing if and how it could remotely control the island's defenses and go HAL9000 on the Punks and StrawHats. I'm not saying it cannot happen, but so far there have been very little clues in the story that could support it.
Or, the Stella is secretely an evil mastermind playing 5D chess with everyone, in which case I have no idea what his motivations would be.
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Love the ending
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Maybe @sandman can clarify if the original text is clearer about it but I don't think that Atlas' statement should be seen as in she can shapeshift at any time. Considering the damage we've seen on her and Edison's statement about replacement parts I think the intention is more that her appearance can be modified by choosing corresponding parts.
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@Coookie I don't take it as an on-the-fly shapeshift either, to me it's that she can replace body parts to look like she wants.
But the point about Atlas is how she's apt at deception. She creates holograms and believes "reality" is an outdated concept because what matters is what people believe in. Her face isn't her real face, her very body is a lie.
Do we REALLY trust that she was disabled by Lucci's attack, or was that just another illusion to make people react the way she wanted them to react?
Her way of thinking may even lead her to abandom physical form altogether, existing in several bodies at once, or none at all.
Atlas can manipulate people's perceptions, and she can also assume a totally more vicious/threatening appearance if she wants.
To me, it's nailed: she's the villain.
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Punk Records and/or an unknown Vegapunk would be the most interesting solution. None of the known Vegapunks would make for a good traitor-revelation since none of them has had enough panel time to really make a twist like that have an impact. Besides, plot points surrounding traitors have already been prominently used in both Wano and Whole Cake Island.
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@Barkworm said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Punk Records and/or an unknown Vegapunk would be the most interesting solution.
There are zero evidence supporting those. While they may be cool ideas for sure, you just don't have anything to back them up.
And since the story has been laying clues so that the twist makes sense once it's revealed, we need to look at the signs that have been scattered over the last 15 chapters or so.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
@Barkworm said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Punk Records and/or an unknown Vegapunk would be the most interesting solution.
There are zero evidence supporting those. While they may be cool ideas for sure, you just don't have anything to back them up.
Oh, but we have the page with the organoids so there's always room for more Vegapunks. Also, a reveal like that would not need much foreshadowing to make it work. Just knowing Vegapunk's ginormous brain being upstairs would be enough. On the other hand, the revelation of some small fry like Atlas being the traitor would have zero impact on me. Pudding and Kanjuro were cool reveals because one was totally out of the blue and the other one had had lots of more or less subtle hints for several years. Both were established characters, Atlas is not. I'd be super disappointed if the intrigue created in the last two chapters was resolved with such a reveal.
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@Barkworm said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Oh, but we have the page with the organoids so there's always room for more Vegapunks
I feel every single bit of tech we've seen so far (light-touching gloves, holograms, artificial organs, man-made-diamonds, bubble tech, green blood, and so on) will come back as a Chekov's Gun, either allowing the heroes to defeat the villain or as part of the villain's arsenal or motivations.
But there's quite a jump between "oh, we can make organs" and "oh, those organs meant a 7th satellite".
@Barkworm said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
On the other hand, the revelation of some small fry like Atlas being the traitor would have zero impact on me. Pudding and Kanjuro were cool reveals because one was totally out of the blue and the other one had had lots of more or less subtle hints for several years. Both were established characters, Atlas is not.
Speak for yourself that an Atlas reveal would have no impact. In every thread or poll I've seen so far, Atlas is the least suspected one. Arthur just made a poll in Twitter in which Atlas "lost" by a huge margin from everyone else.
Atlas is an established character for the arc. Actually, it's one of the first Vegapunks introduced, and, after Stella, the one that gave us the most insight into her mind, which is why it's baffling how there's so few people suspecting her.
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Towards those theories of Atlas being behind all the problems, Chopper's line "So your face is just a mask then?" would be awfully fitting foreshadowing.
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I guess anything could work if it's presented in the right way. It's just that after Kanjuro, I can't see myself getting too hyped about another traitor-reveal, especially not one with much less established characters.
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Good to see this arc actually had a plot going for it instead of just lore and character shuffling. The cover page continues to make MainVegapunk look creepy as hell. I guess this is before he started getting more exposed to the obvious evils of the government.
Luffy/Zoro/Shaka/Cp0 squad already feels like it should be overkill to deal with just 2 seraphim. This is the group that Oda needs to sell us on the Seraphim's strength and scary element. Either S-Shark needs to join the fray too or S-Hawk and S-Bear need to prove too difficult to properly protect Cp0 and Shaka and fight back. Otherwise it's hard to sell why Cp0 would ever get released to help; which could work if the room starts collapsing and the group gets split up.
Nami/Brook/Edison squad being the floor below the control room action leaves them with the most potential to get dragged into that conflict. I'd say it's pretty easily believable that collateral damage will start destroying the floor soon up there and both groups will end up connected. That's what I can see happening with this group. Also that bag full of synthetic jewels and diamonds is definitely gonna get picked up by Caribou at some point, wherever he may be.
Sanji/Jinbe/Stussy squad is interesting. On first glance you'd question why this group would get attacked, since there's no Punk and Stussy in theory shouldn't get targeted like Lucci and Kaku. However, S-Shark attacking this group for the Jinbe reactions sounds a little too good to pass up. It's too powerful a group to just leave alone, so something's gotta happen here. Plus Stussy's lines about being careful here sounds like we should expect this whole side of the lab to explode before too long.
Robin/Chopper/Atlas squad feels like it might end up the extras group for awhile. The group that doesn't get wrapped up in anything for a little while until they stumble upon something major.
Finally Ussop/Franky/Lilith/Pythag group leaves us with a lot of questions. What specific order is S-Snake carrying out? Are they all carrying out the same orders or different ones? Why stone York but kick her out of the way instead of just blasting her too? Will Snake continue to chase the group or leave with York?
Definitely enjoying the setup of all this. The layout of the lab and the groups works out nice, and unlike the mess of Onigashima, our number of characters and issues to track is much more tolerable. Now I just need Caribou again soon.
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Something about the cover page is bugging me: Vegapunk was pretty young when meeting the Gorosei, suggesting the scene happened decades ago (easily over 20, considering the timing of Judge's and Queen's backstories, but possibly even more).
The gorosei in the photo are the same 5. Including Saturn, who is holding a walking stick in the past too. Nobody has joined or left the group since them, and they show no discernible changes.
Evidence to the popular theory that they are immortal?
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I can't say I saw this one coming at all. I've been setting myself up for a siege arc, first trying to defend the beaches from Borsalino's fleet, the struggling to hold the lab as the Pacifista and Seraphim are turned by Saturn. Instead, all of those battle lines are being used to pen the crew in for an Among Us style manhunt in the upper lab, which I think is a tremendously fun direction to take it.
The choice to silhouette the Five Elders on the cover is definitely worth taking note of. Is it to hide that they haven't aged in the 20ish years since this flashback? Or does it instead mislead us from the fact that they have.
Early on in the chapter we get a map for the lab, and there's nothing I love more than a map. Already what I think is interesting is tracking the damage to the structure over the past few chapters. Look at how most of the Seraphim aim low in the first attack,
presumably destroying the two small structures on either side of the entrance ramp,
but the top of Tower C is smashed open in the next chapter.
Despite the first thought that they took another shot between chapters or Oda retconned what he wanted damaged, I think the falling section of roof slashed by S-Hawk did that. (It gets hit again later when S-Shark tries to shoot Edison, but only in the already-damaged area, so there's no cosmetic change.) And you can see that Tower B remains untouched until the explosion around Pythagoras last week, which has now blow it open.
I can't stress enough how great it is when these details are kept track of.I also think the floors are pretty big. See how many levels of walkways are included in "floor 3" in this establishing shot, and the scale of the crew, the entry ramp and the building as a whole.
So Usopp, Franky and Lilith are probably going to still be considered on floor 3 when we get back to them next week. Probably. It wouldn't be unlike Oda to play fast and loose with proportions.While light on story progression, there's a lot of fun character moments in the different groups wandering around. Nami and Robin were great. Sanji sure is being Sanji, but at least he's decent enough to remember she was at his wedding. Maybe this is Jojo fan levels of reference reaching, but something about a desperate guy getting called a dog by an icy government woman makes me think Chainsaw Man.
I feel like it's a missed opportunity that Franky seems to be actually looking for Vegapunk instead of getting distracted by the tech like everyone else. Maybe he just wants it all direct from the source instead.
Pythagoras lives. No one is shocked.
York gives me something I've been wanting since that first awful scene with the Cipher Pol goons - an unambiguously innocent interaction with S-Snake that still leads to petrification. I look forward to the SBS where Oda outlines the new emotional triggers now that it's not just "impure thoughts" like Hancock originally explained.
There are some definite mysteries afoot with the Seraphim turn though. We're running short on Vegaclones that haven't either been attacked or been in the control room at every opportunity to take control. Atlas was absent for a long time for her repairs, but one of the others probably would have said something if they took longer than they should have. And interestingly, S-Snake and S-Bear attacked Lucci and Kaku, so the enemy here isn't in league with the government. The theory I like most is Punk Records itself achieving some kind of sentience and entering a HAL 9000/Skynet phase. It's a fun sci fi trope, and it solves the problem of what happens to Punk Records after Vegapunk flees.
While it's not a traditional cliffhanger, I can see Oda leaving volume readers on the question of whether Lucci and Kaku really do get freed to fight alongside the Strawhats. I hope it happens. It's a great setup likely to lead to bickering and competition and no one being too careful about throwing attacks near their so-called allies. Next chapter could be a really fun one, especially after this one proved surprisingly satisfying for just 15 pages.
I hope we're due a normal colour spread though. If you go over the last few lots of colour pages we've got... a Film Red promo, a Film Red promo, an update of an old poster, a Film Red promo, the Four Emperors, and an Odyssey promo. Give me the crew playing with animals in a whimsical new setting, Oda, please! It's been like ten months!
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@Captain-M I loved the insights from your post.
I have trouble tracking locations between chapters, so all the images you posted really helped!
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I saw a lot of people worried that there wouldn't be any Straw Hat/bonding moments because of there being "too many characters", but judging by this chapter, I think it's really nothing to worry about. We even had personality moments like from Nami's adoration of money and Chopper being scared of Robin's darkly observations. This just reinforces my view that having many characters isn't inherently a bad thing, but that it's really just a matter Oda simply taking the time to write interactions.
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@Barkworm said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
None of the known Vegapunks would make for a good traitor-revelation since none of them has had enough panel time to really make a twist like that have an impact.
Agreed. I think the particular snag is that what we know about Vegapunk so far hasn't given us much in discerning what any of them would potentially gain from this particular chain of events.
We know that CP0 was there to kill all the Vegapunks, we know that the Vegapunks are aware of this. So between that, the fact that the Seraphim in this chapter are also going after CP0 and the satellites, all the other MIA Cipher Pol agents, and that this has trapped Vegapunks' ticket off the island inside the lab, the driving factor can't really be to maintain a good work relationship with the WG because that bridge has been thoroughly burned.
Then the other major aspect we've been shown about Vegapunk is that his actions are primarily driven by obtaining money for funding, and so far it's been the most common sentiment expressed by the individual satellites. But while leaving Egghead does represent losing access to a lot of resources, none of the actions currently taken feel like they'd alleviate that problem. Vegapunk has already lost the WG's favor, and I don't think there's anything in the arc pointing towards an alternate patron for a potential traitor to be courting at the moment.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
@Barkworm said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Punk Records and/or an unknown Vegapunk would be the most interesting solution.
There are zero evidence supporting those. While they may be cool ideas for sure, you just don't have anything to back them up.
And since the story has been laying clues so that the twist makes sense once it's revealed, we need to look at the signs that have been scattered over the last 15 chapters or so.
Neither is there any evidence for Atlas being the traitor, yet you're very adamant about it. In contrast, people suspecting Punk Records consider it a (likely/interesting) possibility without being dead set on it.
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@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Neither is there any evidence for Atlas being the traitor
Only if you ignore Atlas conversation with Luffy and the others at the beginning of the arc. There's a lot laid out there about Atlas' personality and ideas, including the penchant for deception.
Not to mention that no other Vegapunk but Stella had the chance of showing their views the way Atlas did.
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To not leave this reply without backing my claims, I point out myon the traitor Vegapunk, which I originally posted on Jan 7th and added a few more thoughts today.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I liked this chapter a lot. I didn't hate Egghead but I was losing interest since until now most of the crew was inactive in Vegapunk lab, which made the arc looks like a glorified info dump/set-up for another one.
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@Kfunk said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
I liked this chapter a lot. I didn't hate Egghead but I was losing interest since until now most of the crew was inactive in Vegapunk lab, which made the arc looks like a glorified info dump/set-up for another one.
I enjoyed the different groups and dynamics, and I'm looking forward to see what happens next.Lilith seems like a lot of fun too.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Neither is there any evidence for Atlas being the traitor
Only if you ignore Atlas conversation with Luffy and the others at the beginning of the arc. There's a lot laid out there about Atlas' personality and ideas, including the penchant for deception.
Not to mention that no other Vegapunk but Stella had the chance of showing their views the way Atlas did.
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To not leave this reply without backing my claims, I point out myon the traitor Vegapunk, which I originally posted on Jan 7th and added a few more thoughts today.
None of that is evidence for Atlas being the one behind the CP ship disappearances, the malfunctioning Frontier Dome, the Stella's disappearance or the rogue Seraphim
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@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
None of that is evidence for Atlas being the one behind the CP ship disappearances, the malfunctioning Frontier Dome, the Stella's disappearance or the rogue Seraphim
We don't need to see a character doing each of those actions, the actions themselves point to a traitor, and Atlas gave signs of being duplicitous, unlike all the others. That's how you put clues together.
Besides, we were following all the other Vegapunks while all the traitorous effects were happening, except Atlas, who was conveniently absent due to her supposed wounds.
It's more than anyone else has in their favor. Where are any hint of Punk Records acting on its own or the existence of an 8th Vegapunk? Where are any panels hinting at Edison having ulterior motives or suspicious tendencies?
I'll be very surprised if this is not Atlas doing. I'm looking forward for the revelation, which has a big chance of happening next week.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide Cheers!
If you want a continuity glitch on the other hand, we can see York crushing the walkway railing when she falls over.
This kind of thing is great. With the standard for so much of the industry being that the artist does the characters and the assistants do the backgrounds, often creating a division between the two, it stands out when characters directly interact with and alter the set dressing in these kinds of casual ways. Does wonders for a sense of space.
Buuuut we can't see the crushed railing on any of the low angle shots on the following pages.
It's possible S-Snake just moved forward a lot from York in that last image and we'll see where York (and the damage she caused) ended up in the next chapter, I think it's just as possible the memo didn't quite reach the background artists working on pages 11 and 12.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
We don't need to see a character doing each of those actions, the actions themselves point to a traitor, and Atlas gave signs of being duplicitous, unlike all the others. That's how you put clues together.
How exactly was Atlas duplicitous?
Besides, we were following all the other Vegapunks while all the traitorous effects were happening, except Atlas, who was conveniently absent due to her supposed wounds.
"Supposed" wounds? We've seen them. Was Pythagoras not wounded because it was only the mech part and not his actual head? Edison was also not seen when the Frontier Dome let CP0 in. The only unaccounted Satellite before Pythagoras got attacked was Lilith.
It's more than anyone else has in their favor. Where are any hint of Punk Records acting on its own or the existence of an 8th Vegapunk? Where are any panels hinting at Edison having ulterior motives or suspicious tendencies?
Punk Records is by definition an eighth part of Vegapunk. Atlas doesn't have more in her favor than any other Vegapunk bar Shaka. Edison, Pythagoras and Lilith were all interested in testing S-Shark against the Straw Hats. Edison was the one who tried to talk the Stella out of getting more help and then downplayed the difficulty of escaping despite his "Thinker" epithet.
And if we want to argue via Chekhov's guns or hints: The Vegapunks have no shared recollection of something happening to previous Cipher Pol visitors. Maybe a certrain brain "forgot" it? Jimbei alluded to the issue of introducing ideology in a shared hive mind which Vegapunk doesn't want to worry about. What happens when you split your personality into six extremes and feed those extreme experiences into one brain, instead of being able to realize the nuances because a significant aspect of your personality did not go to a different entity? What exactly is Vegapunk planning to do with his brain if he and all six Satellites left Egghead for good? What is conveniently incorporated into the Labophase and has been literally looming over the protagonists for most chapters of this arc?See, if you really want to you can usually find "evidence" to support a "theory".
Wait. I just remembered that you also interpreted a shit ton into one small panel of Yamato being surprised about Momo's insecurity issues and how certain you were that this would push him to stay. I really shouldn't bother, so I won't from here on out. You might be right in the end, but I do think that you're once more interpreting way too much into way too little.
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@Captain-M I think the effect of the ground being "crushed" is just Oda making the perspective of the scene from a very low angle, close to the ground. He does that sometimes, one case I remember vividly is when Sanji bows to Zeff as he's leaving the Baratie.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
How exactly was Atlas duplicitous?
Her entire questioning of reality in Chapter 1062 is the basis of deception. If you change people's perceptions, you change how they perceive reality, and thus you change their entire decision-making process.
This is how cults create their fanatic following, for instance, There's a huge phylosophical discussion around this notion of what's real, if there's an objective reality or if perception equals reality.
By believing perception is what makes something real, Atlas is admiting that she can change reality by fooling people.
Then you add to that:
- Complains that her tech only works on Egghead (unwillingness to leave)
- Affinity for holograms (again with manipulating perception)
- The reveal that her body is not "real", as she can change it as she wishes (and thus is not showing us her "true" face, of which she may not even have one)
- Her wound, to the face she can easily change, conveniently placing her away from everyone's sight and suspicions exactly while sabotage happens.
Oh, and not forget:
- Willingness to solve problems through violence
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
"Supposed" wounds? We've seen them.
Yes, we've seen them. And Atlas flat-out said that she can manipulate people's perceptions.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Was Pythagoras not wounded because it was only the mech part and not his actual head?
The difference is that Pythagoras didn't feign being out of action.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Edison was also not seen when the Frontier Dome let CP0 in. The only unaccounted Satellite before Pythagoras got attacked was Lilith.
And who was the only one missing in ALL those events?
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Punk Records is by definition an eighth part of Vegapunk.
But was not ever established as its own being, capable of independent thought.
If Punk Records were gaining sentience, I'd expect the story to drop hints on that.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
I just remembered that you also interpreted a shit ton into one small panel of Yamato being surprised about Momo's insecurity issues and how certain you were that this would push him to stay.
And in the end I was right. I don't use previous predictions as argument for new ones. Being right once don't make me right always. But since you brought it to the table...
Yamato eventually saw the kind of enemies that were waiting to take Wano later, and thus realized Momo was right in that panel I was so obsessed with.
Or are you implying this panel:
Has nothing to do with this one?
The problem is presented to Yamato / Yamato realizes the problem is real.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I'm very unsure about the nature of the Vegapunks. Some of them seem robotic, some look totally human. Are they clones? Are they artificially built? And let's not ask about how can York's food and poop travel between bodies (or how can they use her for nutrition).
Also, I don't get how Stella cut his own head lol. But this chapter has finally made me excited about the arc! I know some of the explanations will just be "future magic!" But I'm sure something more of the relationship and nature of the Punks will be explored -
@Chams-0 Heh, Oda is just doing all sort of sci fi madness without any regard to realism. He's the guy who brought us the latest discoveries in dinosaur biology last arc, after all.
I think the Vegapunks are clones with cyborg enhancements. Like, everyone has at least some organic part (probably the brains at least), but some are way more artificial than others.
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I presume one reason Kaido's past was partially shown was to keep Stussy's reveal a surprise. Oda could have easily shown Buckingham Stussy interacting with Kaido on Rocks' crew, except he didn't. Makes me think each arc from here on out will finally give us more about Rocks' crew.
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If we talk about clues and hints left for us to predict future events, then we can't leave that Jinbei / Vegapunk discussion out of it.
A question that has that many possible consequences depending on the answer brushed away with a smile in a single panel is an obvious hint.
Hint of what? Now that is debatable, even the possibility of a false hint is, but there is clearly something intended with that panel.Honestly, I'm rather in the "Sentient AI Team" here ^^ But what is hinted in that panel is vague enough to be used by both sides.
A Sentient AI born as an 8th Vegapunk is possible. Let's even add the twist that this Sentient AI has taken control of the actual Vegapunk's body and switched places with him (the "real" Vegapunk being stored as Punk records currently) just because I like the idea and that it fits the "shared emotion/will" idea.
(Edit: And it would make the traitor Vegapunk himself, what a twist
)You could also say that one of those satellites, let's say Atlas for no particuliar reason, has been "infected" by those shared human ideology/will/emotion/shenanigan , developing a will to live its own life or at least to be a separate being and not just a "satellite".
Or much better ideas can be found, that isn't my strong point ^^
However, I can see when an author cuts and hides information willingly, especially when it is so blatant
I'm fine with either theory being right, or both being wrong, but can't we agree that this panel is an obvious foreshadow of "something"? -
@Captain-M Here's attempt number 2 at a video review.
I'm still trying to work out the most ideal filming setup with the tools I have. I thought blowing my script and notes up on the TV behind the camera would be less noticeable than having them off to the side, but it turned out to be really obvious that I was looking over the top. Oh well, live and learn.
I tried to make my delivery more animated this time around and I'm getting more confident with video editing as well.
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Man, I was hoping that this arc vegapunk will explain the full powers of sanji, is his fire based on lunarians, how does rhe germa genes and raid suit work. So far I have to settle for : " can I be your dog".
Even the 25 years long cooked reveal that some dudes wished for super powers and got them.
Guy1: how about we wish for super powers
Guy2: it worked!
Guy1: I got quake powers!
Guy2: why are my hands like rubber. Man I wanted quakes.... -
@Captain-M I watched your videos back to back.
There's an improvement on your delivery but the script being up on the TV, was a bad idea, IMO.
Your set-up looks good, I like the background, I'm a sucker for a "library" set-up.
I'm not sure how you can improve on speaking more freely, besides improving with each new chapter and trying to go off the script every once in a while. If you stick with it, I'm sure it will come naturally in due time. Also don't worry about your equipment, the sound and video quality is fine.SW-3170-8630-8341
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
How exactly was Atlas duplicitous?
Her entire questioning of reality in Chapter 1062 is the basis of deception. If you change people's perceptions, you change how they perceive reality, and thus you change their entire decision-making process.
This is how cults create their fanatic following, for instance, There's a huge phylosophical discussion around this notion of what's real, if there's an objective reality or if perception equals reality.
By believing perception is what makes something real, Atlas is admiting that she can change reality by fooling people.
Her entire point in chapter 1062 was that things being real or not is an irrelevant question of the past. Atlas isn't about intentionally deceiving people, if that was the case then the question of what is real and what isn't would be a relevant question again, contradicting her point.
Then you add to that:
- Complains that her tech only works on Egghead (unwillingness to leave)
Which you're again extrapolating and isn't actually represented in the text. We can say the same about the other Satellites who have the authority and extensive methods for research on Egghead only. Why would any of them be willing to leave?
- Affinity for holograms (again with manipulating perception)
Covered above
- The reveal that her body is not "real", as she can change it as she wishes (and thus is not showing us her "true" face, of which she may not even have one)
You mean hiding her "true" face like Shaka? Or having a fake body like Pythagoras or Edison?
- Her wound, to the face she can easily change, conveniently placing her away from everyone's sight and suspicions exactly while sabotage happens.
Again, Atlas was present when Pythagoras was attacked. When the Frontier Dome went down Edison wasn't seen without a good reason for his absence.
Oh, and not forget:
- Willingness to solve problems through violence
Like Lilith? Or how Pythagoras and Edison were perfectly willing to let violence unfold to test their creation?
Yes, we've seen them. And Atlas flat-out said that she can manipulate people's perceptions.
She didn't actually flat-out say that. And also, you need the Light-Pressure Gloves to interact with holograms.
The difference is that Pythagoras didn't feign being out of action.
The "feigning" part is an assumption that so far only exists in your personal headcanon.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Edison was also not seen when the Frontier Dome let CP0 in. The only unaccounted Satellite before Pythagoras got attacked was Lilith.
And who was the only one missing in ALL those events?
No one was missing in all of those events. Different people were absent at different times.
But was not ever established as its own being, capable of independent thought.
There's no need to establish that your brain can be up to something without you knowing. That's how brains work. The same way you don't need to establish that legs are usually used for walking and maybe kicking.
If Punk Records were gaining sentience, I'd expect the story to drop hints on that.
Punk Records is sentient by virtue of being Vegapunk's brain.
And in the end I was right. I don't use previous predictions as argument for new ones. Being right once don't make me right always. But since you brought it to the table...
Yamato eventually saw the kind of enemies that were waiting to take Wano later, and thus realized Momo was right in that panel I was so obsessed with.
Or are you implying this panel:
Has nothing to do with this one?
The problem is presented to Yamato / Yamato realizes the problem is real.
You weren't right because you said that the first panel would already make Yamato want to stay on Wano. But that's not what happened. After that panel Yamato was still dead set on leaving with the Straw Hats. What actually made Yamato stay is seeing other threats to Wano, as you've kindly shown.
My point here is that maybe you should humble yourself a bit more and consider the possibility of being wrong, instead of being absolutely convinced of your headcanon being accurate and defending it tooth and nail while shooting down any other perspectives. But that is apparently only wishful thinking and I need to go back to ignoring your utter lack of self-reflection despite wishing that maybe, you'll expand your horizon one day. -
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
My point here is that maybe you should humble yourself a bit more and consider the possibility of being wrong, instead of being absolutely convinced of your headcanon being accurate and defending it tooth and nail while shooting down any other perspectives. But that is apparently only wishful thinking and I need to go back to ignoring your utter lack of self-reflection despite wishing that maybe, you'll expand your horizon one day.
Cookie, there really is no need to push to this degree. Yes being reflective and humble are important traits (and Deicide can argue for himself whether he has a history of those or not), but the way you're stating this is needlessly confrontational and condescending.
And a bit hypocritical, if one thinks back to the amount of self-reflection and humbleness you expressed once "Yamato stays in Wano" outcome manifested, mostly adopting a mindset that the numerous people who picked up a vibe that we were headed for a "Yamato stays with Momo to protect Wano because Momo and the samurai are insufficient to protect the land" outcome got exactly that right by pure 100% unfounded fluke luck with not a single of that groups overall argued Momo-bonding trends or Crewmate-positioning shortcomings having merit, because the nitty gritty specifics didn't check out exactly.I wouldn't revive this discussion here except for you specifically bringing up the matter of being capable of "self reflection".
And even if you're absolutely unwilling to concede another persons interpretation as founded/valid, you can stop at "I disagree with that interpretation; my interpretation is this". No need for nonsense like "I hope you expand your horizons one day", that's certainly not something that'll make another poster think "you now what you're right, my perspective was wrong". You argued back in 1059 that the "yamato stays" arguments warranted the amount of condescension you gave them, and to that I say:
Just don't be condescending at all. Even had Yamato ultimately not stayed behind to protect Wano with Momo because Momo and his Scabbards weren't strong enough. -
I like the "closed room mistery" vibe Oda went for wit this. I'd like for it to keep up for a bunch of chapters and would love for the culprit to be caught by one of the smarter strawhats. Outsmarted and beaten by them would be even better, I don't think there'll ever be a better chance and setting for a "brain over brawn" moment than this, and the crew is in dire need of quality spotlight. Luffy and Zoro still have the labrat children to beat up anyway so you don't demasculinize them too much waiting for Kizaru's ship.
I also subscribe to the Punk Records somehow gone rogue camp, it's simply the most interesting scenario.
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The traitor is not a VP clone
in fact there is no traitor at all
The island has an intruder, simple as that
Who's the intruder ? also a super easy answer : jay garcia, in particular a creation of his ability
the old fart is a DF user 100%
we're just getting teased, and Oda might not reveal anything on this regard next chapter
anyways i've been waiting too long on the reveal of the other seraphims and they might play a factor in this soon enough.
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@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Her entire point in chapter 1062 was that things being real or not is an irrelevant question of the past. Atlas isn't about intentionally deceiving people, if that was the case then the question of what is real and what isn't would be a relevant question again, contradicting her point.
That entire discussion is the basis of deception. Deception is making people believe something unreal is real.
Like, for instance, if she pretends a wound is more serious than it actually was.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Which you're again extrapolating and isn't actually represented in the text. We can say the same about the other Satellites who have the authority and extensive methods for research on Egghead only. Why would any of them be willing to leave?
Except the other satellites were all shown willing to leave, and we even got a panel of all of them packing their things.
All of them, except Atlas.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Again, Atlas was present when Pythagoras was attacked.
Pythagoras was attacked by a Seraphim (likely S-Snake) as his rumblings show he was still confused as to why.
Atlas could have issued the command way before that scene happened.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
Like Lilith? Or how Pythagoras and Edison were perfectly willing to let violence unfold to test their creation?
So, your counter-argument is to take each bullet point as a totally isolated thing, without the weight of all of them adding up?
Lilith hasn't shown a knack for deception like Atlas did. Neither did Pythagoras or Edison. Lilith has a bad temper and does not care about strangers, but she showed care for her siblings, Pythagoras and Edison are the more logical types who just saw an opportunity to test their creation.
By this point alone I agree that none is above the others as a suspect, but Atlas has this plus all the other stuff on top of it.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
She didn't actually flat-out say that. And also, you need the Light-Pressure Gloves to interact with holograms.
We saw a door that can be phase from solid to intangible as well.
Just because the holograms in Fabriophase were always intangible doesn't mean there's not greater technology available here.
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
The "feigning" part is an assumption that so far only exists in your personal headcanon.
The feigning part is theory, yes, but it fits perfectly into the events we've saw so far.
IF Atlas feigned the gravity of her wounds, THEN she could have done everything we know the traitor did.
What other Vegapunk has such an easy explanation to allow him to be the traitor?
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
No one was missing in all of those events. Different people were absent at different times.
Atlas was missing in all the events. Why is it so hard to admit this very obvious fact?
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
You weren't right because you said that the first panel would already make Yamato want to stay on Wano.
That's a stupid allegation.
Theory 101: each new chapter adds pieces to a puzzle. We don't have the full picture until the puzzle is complete. Before that, the best we can do is analyze what pieces we have and imagine a picture that can be formed by them.
My Atlas theory is based on everything up to 1075. When 1076 comes, there may be clues that disprove or further advance it. Like, I dunno, Atlas may not be on this alone. But, if in the end Atlas is the traitor, then I'm right, because I got the outcome right even if the specifics aren't exactly the same.
Yes, I was wrong that Yamato had already made up her mind at that point, but I was right in that the panel was a step towards Yamato choosing to stay in Wano to protect it. And, as the story advanced, my theory also got reworked dozens of times, with the outcome always being the same. I got the outcome right in the end. Small details being a little off do not matter!
@Coookie said in Chapter 1075: Labophase Death Game:
My point here is that maybe you should humble yourself a bit more and consider the possibility of being wrong
You should hear your own advice.
First, I always consider the possibility of being wrong. I spent years in the Yamato discussion saying that I could be wrong.
Same here, I never said it's flat-out impossible to exist an 8th Vegapunk or that Punk Records could gain sentience. I said that there's little to no evidence in that regard, which is different than saying it can't happen.
If you aren't paying attention, this is a discussion forum. It means we are here to discuss. Whenever someone brings a theory, I want to see on what basis it's build.
If I say there's a lack of evidence about a theory, then I'm actually asking for people to present what they could gather so they have a chance to change my mind.
Same way, when I post all the evidence I gathered, I'm not pushing it down the throat of anyone, I'm presenting it so each one can judge it for themselves and present counter-arguments or counter-evidence.
This reminds me of the Kanjuro discussion. I also pointed out that Kanjuro was the likely traitor because:
- Only one of the time-travellers could know all the things the traitor knew (none of the other Scabbards had met them yet to know what were their actions)
- Momonosuke couldn't be the traitor
- Kin'emon couldn't be the traitor because he was the most loyal or else most of his actions we followed for years wouldn't make sense (why keep going to save Momonosuke instead of just abandoning him?)
- Neither Kiku nor Raizo couldn't be the traitor because they had no idea Kin'emon and Momonosuke went to Dressrosa, and Doflamingo was especifically after the samurai, even knowing their names, especially Momonosuke.
- Kanjuro was designed after a kabuki actor, so this could be a hint that he was not being truthful
- Kanjuro's clunsiness was often causing trouble to the crew, so it could be actual premeditated traitorous acts
- Kanjuro's appearance and power fit a villain very well
People shot down mostly the bolded ones. "Thin evidence", "makes no sense to base a theory on appearance".
Guess what? The kabuki actor part actually ended up being important to his backstory and motivations, AND his clunsiness was feigned.
They also said that the way I wrote off Kiku and Raizo wasn't really definitive, that there could be other ways for Doflamingo to know the samurai (like Kaido getting info on them being missing and warning everyone he could to look after them). Which is true, it's weak evidence, but the thing is that there was more evidence piling over Kanjuro than any other. We don't take each piece of the puzzle by itself, without considering the entire picture that is forming.
The point is: the story can give clues beyond just exposition of facts.
When Atlas basically spews the 101 definition of deception, I feel the story is hinting at her using deception to her advantage.
When the story has Atlas conveniently looking as an adorable harmless girl, I felt it could be a way to throw people off-trail, even before we learned Atlas can change her appearance.
When the story puts Atlas conveniently away from sight, while every traitorous event is happening, then I question if her alibi isn't too convenient.
When a very simple explanation (Atlas feigning her wounds) can solve the entire mystery, then that explanation is a good theory.
There's logic there, you can choose to see it or you can choose to be blind to it.
If you want to hold on the idea that Punk Records is sentient, it's also your choice. It's certainly possible. But I find it unlikely at this point, as there's little evidence behind it.
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@The-Light-of-Shandora Thanks! And thanks for watching! I agree about the script setup, I'm definitely not going back to that next week after seeing the results. The experiments go on.
Glad you like the background too, my library's something I'm very proud of. I want to move my One Piece volumes so they're actually in frame for the next video, just forgot to do it while I was setting up this time.
I appreciate hearing that the quality holds up too.
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@Captain-M I agree with the points raised. You did speak better on this second one, but it's very clear when you are reading a script.
I suggest you try this instead of a full text to appear more natural:
Scene 1
- Observation a
- Observation b
- Observation c
- ...
Scene 2
- ...
You can place scripted sentences as each observation, which you can read, but then you will add your thoughts expanding the subject and do the connection between observations on the fly.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide Good thinking. Probably easier to memorise and perform without looking back at the notes mid-sentence too.
I like my big paragraphs for text reviews, I think I write for reading very well, but it's a slightly different skill to write for speaking. Just gotta feel out the right balance between the two.
