Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity

Marcotty

Younger MADS looking good on the cover. Especially teenage Ceasar rolling with a bunch of geniuses in their 30s or 40s. This cover story should montage us a few of MADS major moments that shaped them and their splitting up. Queen meeting with Kaido's crew; Judge meeting Sora; The lady (who's probably Stussy) and whatever made her leave; VP meeting Olivia and her archaeology trip; etc

It's a shame we're not getting any hints or teasing at what S-Hawk's fruit copy is gonna be. I'm gonna say, if we're not gonna get an S-Clown cause it's been too soon, I hope S-Croc ends up with the Chop Chop powers in place of sand. That'd be amusing all around. I can't force myself to care about the S-Snake thing people are having issue with.

The whole green blood infusion thing has me especially curious at how this is supposed to work with normal people/soldiers. Right now we're just seeing how it works for some clone weapons that were heavily modified for it to work.

The Luffy-Lucci fighting is a little weird how we go from Nika spitting rubble at Lucci, who smashes it in response, to instantly Luffy already stretching with the tube for his attack while Lucci's still in the air in the same spot. He probably would've realistically already been moving away from the rubble dust by the time Luffy launched his attack, but whateves. Not much else to complain about it so far.

Bonney's awake and getting back on the aggressive. I'd guess we're gonna continue with her plot now for a bit while cp0 and Kizaru continue preparations to block the place off. Maybe they'll find 1 more VP in the process (not completely sure where York might be). Then we can get Kuma arriving who'll help set things straight with Bonney, but we'll probably have to stay around here longer so he can get repaired.

This is shaping up to be an interesting case where the Strawhats hold the base and the villains are the one coming to siege them. Don't think we've usually seen the Strawhats playing Tower Defense, so I'd be all for it. Someone just needs to hurry up and tell Zoro before something stupid happens with him, Brook, and Caribou.

Goukan

@Robby said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

@Captain-M said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

@darktravis I'll grant you that the big reaction can come from emotions other than lust, but there's really not much more than headcanon to suggest the Love Love works based on anything else.

The fact that it works against women, or while they are afraid, and that Hancock can use it against inanimate object and pacifistas would imply its not JUST lust based.

Plus we get things like Hannybal not giving a shit about Hancock but totally feeling that Nami is his type, and that one VA who stabbed himself to neutralize it with pain, or that Luffy is just immune, mean her power isn't just emitting irresistible lust at all times.

It focuses her power and she leans into that, but its pretty clearly not a requirement or a guarantee.

Momonga stabbed himself to PREVENT the impure lustful thoughts, and Hancock was the one to point that out because she's the one most knowledgeable about the power.

And as Daz has said, what works on Pacifistas and objects isn't the Mero Mero Mellow that it's used in this chapter, it's random kicks or Perfume Femur. Whenever she uses Mero Mero Mellow she expects that the opponent gets instantly turned into stone because she's using their lust/innate sexual desire against them.

This doesn't mean that it has to work 100% of the time on 100% of the people, because asexual people have existed since forever, but when it works, the intended giveaway is that the mechanics of the attack is that someone got attracted to the user. It IS lust based.

Not only you're mixing the various ways in which Hancock channels the Mero Mero powers which have been outlined, but you're doing to potentially justify... Japanese pedophilia? Why?

This could all have been way easier to digest if S-Snake used another Mero Mero technique or if the reaction on CP0 agents' faces was any different. But you can't deny any person's reading of the situation as it has been presented.

Johnny B. Decent

@wolfwood

Hancock / Law: 191cm
Buggy: 192cm
Mihawk: 198cm
Crocodile: 253cm
Jinbei: 301cm
Doflamingo: 305cm
Teach: 344cm
Weevil: 680cm
Kuma: 689cm
Moria: 692cm

For those curious.

Cyan D. Funk

Someone post that panel from Marineford where all the Warlords are so out of scale that Hancock and Mihawk both look to be about ten feet tall.

Robby

@Goukan said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

Not only you're mixing the various ways in which Hancock channels the Mero Mero powers which have been outlined, but you're doing to potentially justify... Japanese pedophilia? Why?

What? That's a hell of a leap, I did no such thing.

Her powers have different applications all over the place. Not all of them need lust so its not a requisite of the power, it's just how Hancock specifically uses it.

Same way Brook's powers should just be a one time revive, but because of the circumstances of how his body ended up, he's now got the ability to send his spirit out and use ice magic. It's not an inherant part of the power, but its affects are altered by the particular user and an aspect of their body.

So her clone doesn't have to be tapping into sexy, it could just be cute thoughts or something.

Robby

@Cyan-D-Funk said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

Someone post that panel from Marineford where all the Warlords are so out of scale that Hancock and Mihawk both look to be about ten feet tall.

They're not out of scale, they're in the foreground. What throws it off is there is random normal marine in the shot, who is behind them, but he's the only thing that's shaded so it makes it look like he's in the front... which in turn makes Mihawk and Hancock look huge.

It's the effect Oda was going for but he really, really cheated with the toning to do it.

Zik

Still wondering if seraphims with green blood can still eat a DF separately.

I feel like the WG and then the marines would want that to be the nut Vegapunk cracks.

Goukan

@Robby said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

@Goukan said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

Not only you're mixing the various ways in which Hancock channels the Mero Mero powers which have been outlined, but you're doing to potentially justify... Japanese pedophilia? Why?

What? That's a hell of a leap, I did no such thing.

Her powers have different applications all over the place. Not all of them need lust so its not a requisite of the power, it's just how Hancock specifically uses it.

Same way Brook's powers should just be a one time revive, but because of the circumstances of how his body ended up, he's now got the ability to send his spirit out and use ice magic. It's not an inherant part of the power, but its affects are altered by the particular user and an aspect of their body.

So her clone doesn't have to be tapping into sexy, it could just be cute thoughts or something.

It's not a requisite of the whole power, but it's a requisite of the Mero Mero Mellow. There is not a single instance where the attack is used and it's effective because of any other reason. In Marineford, marines that got kicked would slowly get petrified, starting from where they were kicked, but Mero Mero is ALWAYS an instant full-on petrification.

It's about the specifics of the technique, not speculation about what mechanics of the fruit really allow the petrification process to happen in various ways and whether another user would use another feeling instead of lust to channel that.

Of course, Oda can always justify after the fact that S-Snake isn't using lust but childlike charm instead, and that Mero Mero is a technique that varies depending on what emotion the user instills on other people, so different users achieve different reactions by tapping on their uglyness/charisma/whatevs. Sure.

Even then I would argue that the way it has been presented here leaves no room to think that with our current info and that the only thing that Oda needed to do, which is have the CP0 agents show a different facial expression, is still sorely missing. It's still a bad scene no matter how I can try to justify future developments and new info brought to light about the fruit.

electricmastro

So... how long before it's shown that Luffy will get an ass kicking wake up call despite having Gear 5th?

Takto

@electricmastro Hard to tell. Luffy belongs to the strongest people alive now, not only that, but we consider him as overpowered. We have not seen his full potential even. So he can go much higher. Is he ever going to face a wall again? He has the means to overcome everything.
It is ok for luffy to be as powerful or invincible as he seems to be, because his remaining enemies are also quite something else. Oda held back Logia awakenings, so I assume they will be extremely ridiculous and literally a force of nature.
And i am pretty sure, at the end, Blackbeard will make Kaido look like a shool kid.
Yeah, luffy is freaking powerful, but we are at the point where we face people whom are nearly invincible.

Cockycent

@Jabra Someone probably detest what came with adoration for them.

MetaMario

You guys remember Grand Battle Rush? Japanese only OP video game? Power Stone like?

so, in America we did get a Grand Battle but ofc 4kids had to cut a lot of stuff. It's our version of Grand Battle Rush, same gameplay, all that jazz.

Then, we got Grand Adventure, which was a sequel(?) but it doesn;t have a 1:1 Japanese equivalent. Rather, it was cobbled together using Grand Battle Rush and 3 assets and characters and it's an improvement over the last game in every way, it kicks ass.

Now those that remember these games know Sanji always goes into heart mode whenever he fights a female character - Nami, Robin, Vivi, etc.

Grand Adventure (for some reason) added playable Kuina, you know, the young girl that soon died. Like in the story mode she's treated as a ghost, it's bizarre. Someone had the foresight not have to Sanji go into heart mode if he throws hands (legs?) with her as an opponent.

i guess what i'm saying is Seraphim Hancock turning people to stone with hearts in their eyes is opening pandora's box, oda why would you do this

@Cyan-D-Funk
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Zanze

What if CP0/the Marines force Bonney to age the Seraphims up?

Cyan D. Funk

@MetaMario said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

@Cyan-D-Funk

Yeah no that Marine is 100% in the foreground and Mihawk and Hancock are like eight feet tall here assuming Doflamingo is still in scale, in addition to Moria seeming shorter that he actually is.

electricmastro

@Takto said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

@electricmastro Hard to tell. Luffy belongs to the strongest people alive now, not only that, but we consider him as overpowered. We have not seen his full potential even. So he can go much higher. Is he ever going to face a wall again? He has the means to overcome everything.
It is ok for luffy to be as powerful or invincible as he seems to be, because his remaining enemies are also quite something else. Oda held back Logia awakenings, so I assume they will be extremely ridiculous and literally a force of nature.
And i am pretty sure, at the end, Blackbeard will make Kaido look like a shool kid.
Yeah, luffy is freaking powerful, but we are at the point where we face people whom are nearly invincible.

I just think back to that time on Sabaody not too long after getting new gears where the stakes got raised and reinforces how he’ll get plenty of new challenges regardless. Otherwise things would get boring. lol

Robby

@Cyan-D-Funk said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

Yeah no that Marine is 100% in the foreground and Mihawk and Hancock are like eight feet tall here assuming Doflamingo is still in scale, in addition to Moria seeming shorter that he actually is.

Like I said. . What throws it off is there is random normal marine in the shot, who is behind them, but he's the only thing that's shaded so it makes it look like he's in the front... which in turn makes Mihawk and Hancock look huge.

It's the effect Oda was going for but he really, really cheated with the toning to do it.

Note the ground. Hancock's snake comes over the top of the ground line, while the soldier's foot disappears behind it.

Its the same perspective trick he did with the water and the Thriller Bark monster that throws everyone off.

It SHOULD have been shaded like this but that obviously wouldn't be the effect he was going for. Oda opted for dramatics over logical lighting seperation.

Zhenja

Yeah, the marine behind Hancock makes the perspectives understandable.

Johnny B. Decent

Maybe that one marine is just really short?

Zanze

Oooh, I get it now.
The Warlords aren't actually right next to each other, Hancock and Mihawk are way closer to the camera than Doffy and the others.

onemoment

@electricmastro said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

So... how long before it's shown that Luffy will get an ass kicking wake up call despite having Gear 5th?

I suggest the reverse--what is the Strawhat's come out on top in this situation and prove themselves as a threat?

Cyan D. Funk

Basically Oda wanted all present and loyal Warlords in one panel but realized that Moria and Kuma are so goddamn tall that he would have to break out a bunch of perspective tricks to get them, Mihawk, and Hancock all in the same frame without the shorties looking hilariously tiny.

Ivotas

So if Logia fruits cannot be replicated how did the Pacifista end up with Kizaru's laser? Drake even labeled it as such.

Bugs

He copied the ability to fire lasers, not the ability to become light itself.

danie

@electricmastro said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

@Takto said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

@electricmastro Hard to tell. Luffy belongs to the strongest people alive now, not only that, but we consider him as overpowered. We have not seen his full potential even. So he can go much higher. Is he ever going to face a wall again? He has the means to overcome everything.
It is ok for luffy to be as powerful or invincible as he seems to be, because his remaining enemies are also quite something else. Oda held back Logia awakenings, so I assume they will be extremely ridiculous and literally a force of nature.
And i am pretty sure, at the end, Blackbeard will make Kaido look like a shool kid.
Yeah, luffy is freaking powerful, but we are at the point where we face people whom are nearly invincible.

I just think back to that time on Sabaody not too long after getting new gears where the stakes got raised and reinforces how he’ll get plenty of new challenges regardless. Otherwise things would get boring. lol

That is such a ridiculous take from Luffy's "fight" with Lucci. Kaido was whopping gear 5 Luffy which forced Luffy to get serious. It will probably be somewhat similiar with Borsalino if they fight. The story is in its end game though, so you are going to to be disappointed if you are expecting anything like Sabaody again.

Shiebs

So what will S-Crocodile have for a devil fruit power?

Zhenja

How about the String Fruit?

Ivotas

@Bugs said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

He copied the ability to fire lasers, not the ability to become light itself.

I see. So basically he can copy it to a certain extent like as if it was a Paramecia ability. But when it get's to the Logia specific abilities then he hits a roadblock. Is that about right?

Marcotty

If we can't get a full S-Clown itself, it would be only fitting to give S-Croc a copy of the Chop Chop Fruit powers. It would piss of Crocodile and make people even more scared of Buggy when they see what his fruit can do in competent hands. Otherwise maybe a copy of Magellan's Venom Venom Fruit would work, so we can get a second round with that fruit.

The rest of the Doflamingo fruits kinda feel weirdly unlikely to picture a need to redo them or fit thematically (with either Croc or Hawk). The Hobby Hobby and Art Art feel like they just wouldn't work in the hands of the stoic super soldiers (they'd both be better off forgotten anyway). Ton Ton seems unnecessary and Pop Pop would clash with the laser explosions. Merging with stone would probably make their bodies actually weaker, so kinda a big drawback there. That just leaves....Sticky Sticky, Spin Spin, or whatever Diamante's flag thing was?

Robby

I dunno, Mihawk Jr. wielding a giant paintbrush like a sword seems like it would have some fun possibilities.

Johnny B. Decent

EtenBoby has noted some of the Vivre Cards have been revised, and one change is Caesar is now 55 instead of 40.

Bugs

@Ivotas

Pretty much. It makes sense that transubstantiation would be difficulty to pull off without killing the subject given they still need working organs even when those turn to a different element that isn't meant to do its job without "magic." But copying of the secondary aspects like say freezing things, shooting fire, or firing lasers where you can use natural elements that already exist, that seems easier. Heck we do it in our world.

Chams 0

Crocodile's fighting style is so connected to his Sand Fruit that it's hard to imagine him with another power. Maybe something else from the Donquixotte family who's now in prison. Maybe Trébol or Diamante's Fruits. Beta Beta was a Paramecia right?

onemoment

Here's a notion: Maybe S-Hawk will have Mihwak's current devil fruit? While it's not something that needs to be done, it'd be beat if we incidentally got character development from S-Hawk in relation to Mihawk himself. Either way, I'm noticing that Zoro has stayed on the ship, which means he hasn't met S-Hawk yet, and I think that was intentional. Zoro's on his way for his final sword match, and we have someone who is a clone of Mihawk's ability right on the island. It could be a good way to measure Zoro's progress.

Ivotas

@Bugs
Thanks for the explenation. I that case I guess Vegapunk could try to create failed Logia fruits which pretty much would end up being Paramecias. Of course compared to Kaido's fruit the failure would be much bigger since missing transubstantiation is a bigger deal than just the colors being different.

Seafarer33

@Ivotas said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

I see. So basically he can copy it to a certain extent like as if it was a Paramecia ability. But when it get's to the Logia specific abilities then he hits a roadblock. Is that about right?

Lasers could be a specific case since we've seen them on the mostly-mechanical PX series. On the one hand, I picture Kuma-model Pacifistas that use a purely-technological laser emitter - a machine which Franky copied and adapted to his own body.

On the other hand, Seraphim are said to rely on what you describe, a biological approach that copies DF abilities as opposed to mechanical body augmentations. It does leave the question of whether this "green blood" method allows an individual to wield multiple abilities, thus bypassing one of the weaknesses of Devil Fruits (example: laser 'paramecia' + mero-mero). I would tend to say no based on what we've seen so far, in which case the Seraphim would have both "green blood" artificial DF powers and separate laser implants.

Speaking of DF weaknesses, do we know yet if Seraphim share the usual sea / seastone vulnerabilities ?

ea77

@Johnny-B-Decent https://one-piece.com/vivre/revision.php

Yup! The last two are at the bottom.

electricmastro

@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:

EtenBoby has noted some of the Vivre Cards have been revised, and one change is Caesar is now 55 instead of 40.

I felt that Caesar being a teenager on the cover 25~ years ago would have been believable, but understandable change regardless.