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Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity
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I suppose Luffy and the others will try making their getaway while getting into some relatively quick fights, unless Oda finds some way of getting this arc to be 20 or 30 more chapters. I am curious if Lucci, Kizaru, or someone else will run into Caribou though.
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I don't expect any more fight with Kuma most likely coming for their help.
I just want to see what "green blood" DF did he give to S-Hawk before they escape.
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So... the navy couldn't do shit against the Shichibukai with their fleets... not once were they able to do anything against a Yonko... yet Kizaru seems confident... well, not many people left in the One Piece world who underestimate the Strawhats... let's see where this is going...
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Man the Seraphim are tall
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@Zhenja said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
So... the navy couldn't do shit against the Shichibukai with their fleets... not once were they able to do anything against a Yonko... yet Kizaru seems confident... well, not many people left in the One Piece world who underestimate the Strawhats... let's see where this is going...
Didn’t you see how Oda portrayed Luffy in the last 2 chapters, he’s beatable. If this were Kaido or Big Mom, they would have shut this down quickly. Kizaru would be going to egghead to recover bodies.
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To be honest, the One Piece Akinator challenge actually is super easy, if you just go for these super pointless characters that have no narrative reason to even exist at all.
That said, I challenge you to properly name Orochi's ancestors or that random geisha and her pet mouse, without looking it up on the wiki.
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Feels to me like this is the same Luffy who fought Kaido. He is just hard to take seriously because he is so goofy. But he still beat Lucci in two chapters without taking any damage.
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So, my comments about Chapter 1070:
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First, Rob Lucci!
While he’s clearly not the real main villain, I’m so pleased with his portrayal!
He’s clearly very powerful, just not a match to an Emperor. But, at the end of Ch 1070, Lucci is still ready to fight, has achieved a tactical victory despite being physically overwhelmed, and is now in position to reevaluate Luffy’s powers.
I think he’s the one to figure how the Nika powers work, and pass that knowledge to the marines.
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Speaking of Luffy’s powers, I’m still not a fan of Gear 5. So, I’m hoping to at least learn its limits and weaknesses.
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Also speaking of limits, another great thing this chapter gave us is that we know what Devil Fruits can be replicated.
So, in essence, only zoan can be artifially made. Paramecia can be replicated via green blood. Logia are off-limits.
I wonder if green blood needs to be replenished or it runs out...
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Since logia can’t be replicated, we can rule out a S-Croc. Also, we are probably not seeing an Ace clone. But Weevil being Whitebeard's failed clone could still be on the table... Was he supposed to be S-Weevil?
Plus, I wonder which power was given to S-Hawk…
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Stussy mentions the Seraphim are just children yet, something I mentioned a few weeks ago. They are not at full power.
I wonder if that’s why Bonney is here. She CAN turn the Seraphim into adults. But how could CP-0 convince her to do so?
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And we also have confirmation that Seraphim have personalities, which raise questions about free will.
Also, by being happy to help,S-Snake revealed us a glimpse of Hancock’s true self, something the story hasn’t really explored so far!
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The chapter ends ominously with Kizaru. Like I said recently, I feel Egghead will be the “Sabaody” of the Final Saga.
I expect some sort of tragedy or dark twist ahead. Our heroes won’t leave this island unscathed!
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Lucci thinks he can work around Gear 5 but boy is he in for a surprise when Luffy turns his hand into a pretty lady leopard standing in front of a wall that has a tunnel painted on it.
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This chapter was a pretty good note to end the year on, but I'm gonna keep this brief because I'm pretty wiped from a weekend of Christmas events.
Mads are looking cool on the cover. Something about Vegapunk trying to be tough with that ridiculous head and his eyebrows sitting so high just gets me. I guess Caesar's silhouette lacking horns a couple of chapters ago was a mistake then? The woman has to be Stussy, she knows too much about Vegapunk's defenses for the resemblance to be a coincidence.
The big set piece of the chapter's first half feels good in concept, but the execution isn't quite there to make leaving Sentomaru behind feel believable. Was it really that tight that all of Luffy's new powers couldn't pick the guy up and move him fast. A better sense of the space and timing for the rocket departure point, or a last minute play from Cipher Pol he could sacrifice himself to disrupt, or a moment when we see he and Atlas won't fit and he says to save the Vegagirl instead might have helped. The elements of the 'why' are there, but it could have been just a little clearer. But we can forgive this one being done quickly to set up the back half of the arc, where a safe retreat has cost the heroes the strongest weapons on the island and the Strawhats and Vegapunks have cornered themselves for a siege in the upper lab while Navy reinforcements bear down for their attackers. It's a scenario One Piece hasn't really done before, and though I'm not expecting a huge, complicated battle from Egghead, I'm curious to see how it plays out.
I'm not a huge fan of the Love Love power still working so well on the child S-Snake. Yuck. I would say we need a soft retcon of what kind of emotional response can trigger the fruit's power, but the faces of the government agents don't leave much up for interpretation. Unless that group was Cipher Pol's designated gulag squad of degenerates, there should be no reason that many grown men in one place should have that kind of reaction to a literal child.
On the flip side, the talk about artificial devil fruits is fascinating, and the confirmation of abilities being taken down from Impel Down inmates is huge for the kinds of battles we can expect in the final stage of the story. The green blood is especially interesting, since it seems like it can be used to transfer powers without the consumption of a fruit, perhaps even temporarily.
I also loved how Luffy fought with Gear Five this week. Coming off the ropes after turning the environment to rubber was always anticipated for his awakening, but the big funhouse head is a surprise. Manifesting goggles puts a new light on the talk of imagination becoming reality though. I'm gonna wait and see until Oda elaborates or puts some firmer limits on that one.
Vegapunk mentioning near the end that he never intended to betray the World Government, despite his ties to dragon, is a tad disappointing. Be a bit bolder, old man! Help your mate tear down the world's power structures and set up new ones where the sciences get adequate funding instead of arming fascists because they let you do your experiments!
A real fight with Borsalino isn't off the table this far into the series, which is amazing to me. How far we've come! And I suppose the call to send all available battleships to Egghead is how the new and old faces hanging out at G-14 are going to be entering the arc for real. Helmeppo and Tashigi seeing Luffy and Zoro again should be interesting, especially if the bomb about Koby's status is dropped.
Merry Christmas all, Happy New Year, and I'll see you all after the breaks for what's feeling like a it'll be a great 2023 for One Piece.
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I think the ability to "cut" things (breathing - 195), process of turning desires into DF, why certain swords absorb Haki, VOAT, carving characters into the indestructible PG, whatever Teach did to get the Tremor DF, everything VP described in 1070, and inanimate objects receiving DF abilities are all connected.
The way Kin or Zoro "cut" fire and for Zoro to "cut" Monet is just not natural. Especially with Tashigi commenting that he didn't use Haki on that specific cut and how the cut looked. Seem like it was a piece of paper perfectly cut in half. Even Luffy tried punching Prometheus seem like it didn't really bother it, but then with Zoro, Prometheus seem pissed and it took BM by surprise.
I think it comes down to some sort of sensitivity on a spiritual level (Zoro), but can be understood scientifically with the proper tools and knowledge for those like VP. Atlas had a similar effect with the gloves that would fit the scientific approach. Things that are usually intangible become malleable. Need to find a copy of my Frequency Theory. OP Bay and Oro are unreachable at this time.
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In the not-to-distant future
Way down in G13
Doctor Vegapunk and TV's Queen
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Finally a reveal of Judge’s face! That’s stance really does make him look a bit like Sanji. I’ve theorized for ages that the trademark Vinsmoke eyebrows are actually Devil Fruit Swirls. With Judge’s normal eyebrows combined with what we know of bloodline elements and the creation of powers in this very chapter, I’m ready for Vegapunk to just outright confirm it.
What if Judge assigned the invisibility power to Black specifically as a gift/reward knowing that’s the power that Sanji would want?
Now this translation makes it sound like Vegapunk can’t recreate Logia’s no matter what he’s tried so far. I wonder if seeing Kizaru in action with Luffy will spur some new experiment on the subject allowing for full Logia replication.
I hope we get to understand more about this Gear 5 draw back. Years ago I remember a lot of discussion in regards to Luffy dying early because he was reckless with his fruit. Then Ivankov but then the time skip seemed to solve all problems. This new oldening/shriveling does seem to go away quickly but what if that plot point about “doping” and shortening Luffy’s life returns? Hehehe and explained again by Lucci no less.
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Oda hid Judge's eyebrows for years and for what exactly ? I really thought something secretive especially when his helmet was wrecked and it was still hidden like Doffy's eyes after his glasses got smashed but whatever,
This chapter wasn't so kind to those who thought highly of Luffy ( Power Scalers )
Luffy gassed out after a short fight in which he didn't got hit not even once!!
What's he gonna do against a stronger opponent ? take a break mid fight again ?
Poor Buggy took all the heat when he's not the only clown with an emperor title.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
I'm not a huge fan of the Love Love power still working so well on the child S-Snake. Yuck. I would say we need a soft retcon of what kind of emotional response can trigger the fruit's power, but the faces of the government agents don't leave much up for interpretation. Unless that group was Cipher Pol's designated gulag squad of degenerates, there should be no reason that many grown men in one place should have that kind of reaction to a literal child.
You can most certainly have more possible interpretations of that kind of face, after all, Franky had that same reaction just last chapter when his idol Vegapunk appeared.
I, myself, have never bought into the theory that mero mero requires a sexual attraction element to function and this chapter only makes that belief stronger. As far as I'm aware, the condition has never been concretely defined and is more broad than you'd think, covering a variety of contexts from: lust (your typical adult male reacting to adult Hancock) to idol worship (Amazon Lily) to 'Awww, such a cutie!' type reaction usually reserved for kids, dogs, cats and similar (this chapter's Hancock).
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@darktravis I'll grant you that the big reaction can come from emotions other than lust, but there's really not much more than headcanon to suggest the Love Love works based on anything else.
Like I said, I'm open to (and would encourage) a soft retcon for the fruit in a future SBS but I looked over Hancock's introductory chapters and she's fairly specific about what triggers it. The wiki, even with its tendency to present conjecture as fact, doesn't make any reference to other emotions to suggest otherwise at all, let alone one sourced to an actual SBS or interview.
The info in the story so far says that those guys had enough lust in their heart for that child to be vulnerable to the fruit. Whether there turns out to be more to it than that or if Oda was just channeling what old mate Watsuki told him was normal for a moment, we'll have to wait and see.
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Huh, so we finally get to see Judge's eyebrows.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
@darktravis I'll grant you that the big reaction can come from emotions other than lust, but there's really not much more than headcanon to suggest the Love Love works based on anything else.
The fact that it works against women, or while they are afraid, and that Hancock can use it against inanimate object and pacifistas would imply its not JUST lust based.
Plus we get things like Hannybal not giving a shit about Hancock but totally feeling that Nami is his type, and that one VA who stabbed himself to neutralize it with pain, or that Luffy is just immune, mean her power isn't just emitting irresistible lust at all times.
It focuses her power and she leans into that, but its pretty clearly not a requirement or a guarantee.
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@Robby Even the first time she fails to petrify Luffy the speculation from Hancock and her sisters is that his fear of dying simply overwhelmed his impure feelings, similar to what Momonga did with pain, but it always comes back to lust as the baseline. I'm not sure there's a contradiction with it working on women either. The adult Hancock having such supernaturally alluring beauty even straight women are a little horny for her? Yeah fine, classic One Piece exaggeration.
And even then, I can't recall if we ever saw it work on another woman who wasn't also from Amazon Lily. When I think about what sexuality the real world's mythological Amazons that inspired the One Piece ones would be most associated with today, I don't start at "hetero."
I'm not saying Hancock can't have the wrong idea about her fruit and that it wouldn't work for other emotional responses. Obviously we've had a whole thing about a fruit's user not automatically getting its full nature recently. It just feels kinda skeevy as it is now, without getting more information.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
And even then, I can't recall if we ever saw it work on another woman who wasn't also from Amazon Lily. When I think about what sexuality the real world's mythological Amazons that inspired the One Piece ones would be most associated with today, I don't start at "hetero."
We saw it work on Devon just a few weeks ago. And the same blast got all the Marines present but didn't affect Coby, who wasn't doing anything in particular to distract himself like stabbing, nor did it affect Blackbeard.
So either its not actually based on beauty, or the fruit creates the emotions as a side effect and it doesn't matter what the user actually looks like but that can be mitigated with purity, focus or haki.
And again, inanimate objects like Smoker's weapon or pacifistas are also effected so it certainly not emotion based there.
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Isn't the gag that she is so beautiful even the women want her. Hence anyone can turn to stone. That and the Watsuki fellow with his tongue out in this chapter
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So the my mind is slipping away from me line, is that Luffy being consumed by Nika or Lucci having a colorful way of saying i'm passing out?
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
So the my mind is slipping away from me line, is that Luffy being consumed by Nika or Lucci having a colorful way of saying i'm passing out?
Luffy doesn't have inner monologues.
It's Lucci passing out, same as back in Enies Lobby. -
I wonder if there is a S-Crocodile and if so what replacement to the logia fruit was given to him.
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Nami / Usopp:
Are they really trying to kill you? You have the greatest brain in the world, right? That's a huge loss to the government!!Vegapunk:
And what if you thought the greatest brain in the world was about to oppose you?Vegapunk:
Not that I intend such a thing.Just to be clear, he refers to the Government here that he doesn't want to oppose, not the Straw Hats (hypothetical scenario).
Because he is already opposing the Government by simply digging up Lost History stuff?
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@Jabra said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
Nami / Usopp:
Are they really trying to kill you? You have the greatest brain in the world, right? That's a huge loss to the government!!Vegapunk:
And what if you thought the greatest brain in the world was about to oppose you?Vegapunk:
Not that I intend such a thing.Just to be clear, he refers to the Government here that he doesn't want to oppose, not the Straw Hats (hypothetical scenario).
Because he is already opposing the Government by simply digging up Lost History stuff?He means he would continue to make weapon and other inventions for them not go join an enemy faction. The energy source is just more research to him not something he plan to use to make the government fall.
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
@Zhenja i figured as much since he was the last one talking in the previous panel. But the phrasing was so weird it just threw me off. Is that a common English phrase? Saying my mind is slipping away from me when you are passing out. Or is it a Japanese idiom that does not translate well.
Probably just weird translated... or maybe his awakened animal part was getting control over him, and he's not just passing out?
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
@darktravis I'll grant you that the big reaction can come from emotions other than lust, but there's really not much more than headcanon to suggest the Love Love works based on anything else.
Like I said, I'm open to (and would encourage) a soft retcon for the fruit in a future SBS but I looked over Hancock's introductory chapters and she's fairly specific about what triggers it. The wiki, even with its tendency to present conjecture as fact, doesn't make any reference to other emotions to suggest otherwise at all, let alone one sourced to an actual SBS or interview.
The info in the story so far says that those guys had enough lust in their heart for that child to be vulnerable to the fruit. Whether there turns out to be more to it than that or if Oda was just channeling what old mate Watsuki told him was normal for a moment, we'll have to wait and see.
Blackbeard wanted Hancock’s fruit most likely for one of his crew, none of which he considers attractive, but know are scary, so I’m sure we’re allowed to figure that the fruit works on a strong emotional reaction like admiration akin to admiration to puppy dogs and kitty cats than a fruit only driven by sex like you seem to imply.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
A real fight with Borsalino isn't off the table this far into the series, which is amazing to me. How far we've come! And I suppose the call to send all available battleships to Egghead is how the new and old faces hanging out at G-14 are going to be entering the arc for real. Helmeppo and Tashigi seeing Luffy and Zoro again should be interesting, especially if the bomb about Koby's status is dropped.
Oh right, those guys. I wonder if it’s even that relevant for Luffy and Zoro to meet with them again, unless it has to in the form of Nami meeting with the kids.
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Did someone mention how Luffy was just magically wearing the future outfit again after he stopped using G5?
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no break this week?
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What if Hancock's fruit doesn't work the way we think it does?
Wouldn't it be weird for the power to be dependent on other people feelings?The Tenryubito fed her the fruit... wouldn't she has been able to turn them into stone if it was that simple?
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@undeniable02 said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
no break this week?
No, there is a break. Next chapter on 06. January.
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Oda needs to make a yonko power move here. It’s the only way to save this situation.
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You mean Shanks should swing by and glare at them a bit?
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
You mean Shanks should swing by and glare at them a bit?
That’s no yonko power move. The yonko power move must come from Luffy and possibly his fleet.
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Hancocks abilities always had weirdly different mechanics depending on the move; slave arrow petrifies anything it hits including inorganic things like cannonballs, perfume femur petrifies at the point of contact regardless of attraction, which is why she uses it for Pacifistas.
But the heart shaped love love beam was so explicitly based on people being horny for the prettiest woman in the world that Oda needed to use an SBS to cook up a gag excuse for why Luffy would go gaga for Mr 2 showing off Namis boobs, but not naked Hancock, who was flummoxed that heir beam could fail due to Luffy being unlustful. When Hancock petrifies the first Marines, or Margaret, or even Domino, Oda deliberatedly inserted beats, however small of said characters being taken with Hancock BEFORE the beam. Relitigating the rules and discarding prior framing of the beam because the current implications are icky seems disingenous. -
I wonder what kind of desire/hope the person had who brought Hancock's fruit into existence? Turning people to stone is hardly the wish, but maybe that's the Monkey Paw aspect of it? Everyone thinks you're hot but you also instantly kill them when they're falling for you?
But then again, the fruit doesn't give beauty, does it? That's what Hancock noted in the Blackbeard fight. Or maybe turning people to stone was the desire, but you have to make people horny in order to do it...? Which is kinda yikes?
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The beauty kills fruit clearly seeks out beauties to carry out it's purpose of killing horny people
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If Vegapunk was successfully able to take the Warlord's DNA and splice them to become Lunarians, couldn't he also have made Giant versions, too?
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Actually, what if the original person did want to kill people? It makes so much sense, thinking about it.
Like imagine getting constantly catcalled (Sanji level catcalling), the desire to turn all those lechers into stone can absolutely come to mind. That's my headcanon now, move along.(Sadly it doesn't fix the pedo angle with Child Hancock, so please figure something out).
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
If Vegapunk was successfully able to take the Warlord's DNA and splice them to become Lunarians, couldn't he also have made Giant versions, too?
They're still children and already much taller than they should be at their age, who knows how tall they'd be when (or rather if) fully grown
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Being unusually tall is like the number one criteria for being a warlord
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I’m just angry that Indigo was not part of the MADS
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@Zhenja said in Chapter 1070: The Strongest Form Of Humanity:
What if Hancock's fruit doesn't work the way we think it does?
Wouldn't it be weird for the power to be dependent on other people feelings?The Tenryubito fed her the fruit... wouldn't she has been able to turn them into stone if it was that simple?
I suppose Hancock just calls it a love fruit because that's the feeling she bases her powers on. Makes me wonder what an anger, fear, sad, fruit power usage would be like.
