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      I met Rumiko Takahashi Sensei for the first time!! She is young in so many ways. I met a legend!!

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        Damn, somehow I missed the last 18 chapters

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          Yeah, sorry about that, number is fixed now.

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            Ah, so Oda is taking the time to finally show a MADS flashback even though he easily could have shown something when Queen mentioned it at Wano. Further to show that Oda isn’t as keen on “throwaway lines.” lol

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              OK, so I'm a little confused about CP0. The Egghead people noted that CP0 wear only white, but the trio have a hit squad with normal agents in black and then there was the fleet that was going to take over Wano.

              So, do only Officer class Agents wear white? Or do they have the power to take agents from the other ones as their infantry whenever they need it?

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                we're in the eighth chapter and it feels like the arc is concluding

                the most shocking thing was that Atlas did not bleed !! means it's just a robot connected to punk's brain

                that goes to the other numbers of punk, if so it doesn't make sense that they need to eat, shit and sleep

                they don't bleed = ain't human so why have a human needs ??

                anyways I'm excited for Luffy & Lucci reunion, their fight was arguably the best in the series

                I just wish luffy don't rush into gear 5 unless it's necessary since it's not my cup of tea.

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                  @hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                  we're in the eighth chapter and it feels like the arc is concluding

                  I was interested to explore of the place since the location seems right up there with interesting places like Skypiea and Zou, but I suppose any other reason to stay longer would just drag things on. Hmm…

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                    I think this is just Part One of the arc. I just can't believe Rob Lucci's this arc's main antagonist.

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                      @Nectar said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                      I think this is just Part One of the arc. I just can't believe Rob Lucci's this arc's main antagonist.

                      Thinking about it again, seeing as how Lucci already had his time, it would be redundant, seeing as how Luffy already got what he wanted from Lucci. Maybe Blackbeard will be the more antagonistic force seeing as how he was shown in this arc against Law.

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                        I know Oda is trying his best, but he will never get Lucci's leopard prints to be consistent. It's impossible. Whether it's for the same chapter, page, or during W7/EL.

                        2 Strawhats carrying the Will of Ohara? This will go over great in the nakama thread. Wish I had popcorn.

                        It could just be a sensory map for Egghead, but that thing behind Franky looks like a solar system.

                        I'm guessing the "black suits" the locals are mentioning are possibly the CP5, CP7, and CP8 that went missing because they came in the normal way.

                        While there isn't much on a scramble for energy in the story, I think this can link to what Garp spoke on.

                        • They each have internal issues (956) which is spilling out in the 8 Nation Revolution (1054)
                        • The larger powered nations don't really go at each other on the surface
                        • The "great powers" use resources as a way to influence smaller nations to fight on their behalf

                        More evidence to build up Lindbergh case as a possible MADS member. Not only was he the main one to mention repairs in the other chapter, some of the cylinders and overall parts look like what he uses. Even the monitor that Kuma was hooked up to.

                        I'm guessing back in the day, Caesar had the Beetles bob. I think this is the 1stt time his MADS membership been confirmed because the Vivre Card stuff seem tentative.

                        Perfect semester to take Physics. I didn't know that this would be the VP arc when I chose that class. "Energy is all around you" sounds like my professor. Luffy's reaction is most of my class.

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                          @Cockycent said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                          I know Oda is trying his best, but he will never get Lucci's leopard prints to be consistent. It's impossible. Whether it's for the same chapter, page, or during W7/EL.

                          2 Strawhats carrying the Will of Ohara? This will go over great in the nakama thread. Wish I had popcorn.

                          It could just be a sensory map for Egghead, but that thing behind Franky looks like a solar system.

                          I'm guessing the "black suits" the locals are mentioning are possibly the CP5, CP7, and CP8 that went missing because they came in the normal way.

                          While there isn't much on a scramble for energy in the story, I think this can link to what Garp spoke on.

                          • They each have internal issues (956) which is spilling out in the 8 Nation Revolution (1054)
                          • The larger powered nations don't really go at each other on the surface
                          • The "great powers" use resources as a way to influence smaller nations to fight on their behalf

                          More evidence to build up Lindbergh case as a possible MADS member. Not only was he the main one to mention repairs in the other chapter, some of the cylinders and overall parts look like what he uses. Even the monitor that Kuma was hooked up to.

                          I'm guessing back in the day, Caesar had the Beetles bob. I think this is the 1stt time his MADS membership been confirmed because the Vivre Card stuff seem tentative.

                          Perfect semester to take Physics. I didn't know that this would be the VP arc when I chose that class. "Energy is all around you" sounds like my professor. Luffy's reaction is most of my class.

                          The energy thing has to do with equality. Bringing the whole world to a more enjoyable and EQUAL living standards. Basically if most of the goods and services are easily available, there’s no need for kings and lords and elites which ties with what forest guy was saying about the world and its hierarchy. I think this was the whole war between the 20 kings and ancient kingdom. The kingdom wanted to give all living beings a more equal and prosperous life, the 20 kings said no.

                          I think Vegapunk might get killed here. He knows too much to be traveling around with the strawhats. Maybe one of the vegapunk survives but with lesser knowledge and that one goes with the strawhats.

                          Oda has a dilemma here, he either tramples Luffy’s yonko status by giving lucci an equal fight or he’s consistent and makes luffy curbstomp lucci in a stressless way or he could handicap Luffy with those boots plus that bear power and give lucci the first round. Let me make this clear, Luffy’s yonko status is not hype anymore like it was after Totto land, Luffy has legitimate yonko power, so lucci cannot be made to look equal to him when they both get serious.

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                            I don't think there's remotely a way for Oda to satisfy fans that want Luffy's Yonko status to be clear and epic while also keeping to his usual writing style. After a chapter highlighting Luffy beaten up by his crew and in a cage and Buggy crying with a knife and hook in his back, I'd say Oda plans to keep things the same as he always does and fuck the "Yonko status" label.

                            If I was a betting man, I'd guess next chapter will involve:

                            • Oda telling us Lucci > Who's Who.
                            • Luffy defending Atlas and declaring he's here to help Vegapunk while Cp0 declare they're here to kill them.
                            • Bonney waking up and messing with all party's ages while she decides she's going solo

                            And maybe the Seraphims show up to complicate things more and start attacking both groups.

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                              I also don't think Oda will humiliate Lucci (as much as he deserves it and as much as I would like to see it), but Luffy exerting some dominance similiar to his encounter with Smoker at Punk Hazard? We can have that!

                              I would also take Zoro or Sanji comfortably stalling him as well, or even Robin messing with him if he does attempt to go for her.

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                                Egghead Island is escalating surprisingly fast this week, but I'm happy to see Oda doubling down on Vegapunk leaving with the crew. That should give him the chance to spread out the exposition over the course of this last saga instead of doing it all at once here.

                                The cover page finally shows Vegapunk in the outfit from Kuma's memories, but there is a question posed here: what does he do with the tongue when he's working? Can he suck that thing back in, or does he toss it over his shoulder, or does he wrap it up like a scarf, Greninja mode. I'm also curious about the two silhouettes assisting him in the lab back there. Aren't they just a bit too distinct to be anonymous researchers? Could be nothing, could be a connection we're jumping out of our seats to point out fifty chapters from now.

                                We learn that conflict between Vega Punk and the World Government is at a more advanced stage than previously assumed, which makes sense. I remember seeing some people near the start of the arc wondering why the WG would cut ties with their main scientist "so suddenly," but after multiple dodged investigations and vanished agents, we can see CP0's presence is a drastic last step.

                                What's very interesting about this sequence is the use of the Paw Paw Fruit. The OG Kuma cyborg is still human enough to retain its ability, but it seems to be replicated in S-Bear as well. And he's fast and accurate enough with it to take not just CP0 but apparently the whole ship's crew with him onto the island. I don't need to tell you what a dangerous development that kind of ability is if it can be mass produced, but I'm also assuming that this kind of instant teleportation is limited to close-range applications. Try to go across the world and you get hit with the "three days and three nights" clause. Anything else would be pretty unbalanced. But we'll see how long it takes OG Kuma to show up and make judgements from that.

                                Or wait, does it just seem like three days and nights because he can send a person around the world, crossing that many timezones before landing at their destination? I'm probably wrong, but I don't recall if it was ever said specifically at Amazon Lily that it's been 72+ hours since the incident at Sabaody, but I can't be bothered scouring the whole arc to check right now.

                                Vegapunk's dream of unlimited free (and presumably clean) energy for the world is a noble goal, but it's going to take some bigger structural changes to end global conflicts. As Aramaki conveyed back in Wano, tyrants need to create underclasses to survive. There are still plenty of people in positions of power who would reject that kind of opportunity for equality outright.

                                Big fan of Luffy calling back to his "not a hero" bit from Fishman Island. He ends up incidentally filling the role of hero so often it's easy to forget that part of his characterisation. Maybe if Vegapunk had phrased not like he was giving away unlimited energy but that he was making a world where his friends could use all the energy they wanted...

                                It doesn't shock me that Vegapunk has access to personal stealth tech for his exit. I wonder what Sanji will think of that, especially given he's managed it without a full-body Raid Suit. Hey it's Sentomaru too. Was wondering when he'd show up. Things are heating up, but hopefully there's time to see him get a bit more involved.

                                There's not a lot of new information in CP0's initial investigation of the island, except for Stussy's prior experience with the island. Hm, I wonder if she's worked with Vegapunk on something before. It's not like there'd be no applications for advanced technology like holograms, gloves that let you touch holograms, and perfectly passing androids for the "Queen of the Pleasure District" but I don't think Oda would be able to go too deep into something like that. Oh, and what's with Kaku recognising a space monster and thinking it's not meant to be "down on this sea"? What does the World Government know about space?

                                Rob Lucci is an absolute bastard of a man, but he's also one of my favourite of Luffy's rivals. It's an easy contrast, his bloodthirsty seriousness against Luffy's goofiness, his deference to hierarchy against Luffy's freedom, but it works like a charm. And from Water Seven to the Reverie to here, these traits make him able to do horrible things that make you cheer for his defeat. In this case, his attack on Atlas, one of the most likable and charmingly designed Vegaclones. The cracked face and eye shorting out make for a surprisingly graphic image to end the chapter. I'd assumed the clones were organic copies, but Atlas at least is much more mechanical than my prediction. Seeing this, I kinda hope the colour versions lean a little harder into the idea of eyes as screens, with a little glow behind them or the irises looking like they're made up of LEDs. I know it would give away the robotics too soon, but it's an aesthetic I really like for these kinds of characters.

                                Anyway, I'm glad to have confirmation Atlas is still alive and functional before the chapter ends. It would be a shape to totally lose her so soon.

                                I'm not sure what to expect of Luffy VS Lucci redux in the coming chapters. I'm certain Lucci is stronger now than he was at Ennies Lobby, but Luffy's growth has been exponential, and Gear Five almost feels like cheating. I wouldn't expect a fair fight between them to go in Lucci's favour. But he's the only villain this arc has right now, barring a complete flip of the Seraphim against the Vegapunks and their defenders. Oda doesn't often do arcs without something to threaten the heroes. Maybe Lucci will fight dirty, with seastone or some new weapon. The fact that he opened with his final secret move from the original fight is a good sign he's not going to be holding back. There's story potential in both a curb stomp rematch and an actually challenging one, so I'm really just along the ride.

                                Only a couple of chapters left before the Christmas/New Years breaks, huh? As exciting as the rising action is, I hope we get at least one big lore or story reveal to chew on before the series goes dark for all those weeks. But there's a few chapters to go before we really have to start worrying about that, so I'm just going to enjoy the ride.

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                                  @Marcotty said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                  I don't think there's remotely a way for Oda to satisfy fans that want Luffy's Yonko status to be clear and epic while also keeping to his usual writing style. After a chapter highlighting Luffy beaten up by his crew and in a cage and Buggy crying with a knife and hook in his back, I'd say Oda plans to keep things the same as he always does and fuck the "Yonko status" label.

                                  Fuck the “yonko status” label. Funny how he didn’t fucked up the yonko status before Luffy and kept it as the pinnacle of strength and unbeatability. So scary and unbeatable were the yonko that even the Five Star were troubled and dumbfounded on how to solve the Big Mom, Kaido threat. So you’re saying that Oda ways of writing is that the minute Luffy reaches a plateau, that plateau becomes reachable and beatable by previous weaker characters or basically anybody. Again let me repeat, Luffy’s yonko status is not fake hype like when he left Totto land and with Buggy here. Luffy has proved that he has the power of yonko and beat one to become one. It’s not about what fans want, it’s about consistency. If Lucci is shown to match Luffy, that means that he could have also match Kaido which would make the writing inconsistent.

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                                    @realtenchu said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                    @Marcotty said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                    I don't think there's remotely a way for Oda to satisfy fans that want Luffy's Yonko status to be clear and epic while also keeping to his usual writing style. After a chapter highlighting Luffy beaten up by his crew and in a cage and Buggy crying with a knife and hook in his back, I'd say Oda plans to keep things the same as he always does and fuck the "Yonko status" label.

                                    Fuck the “yonko status” label. Funny how he didn’t fucked up the yonko status before Luffy and kept it as the pinnacle of strength and unbeatability. So scary and unbeatable were the yonko that even the Five Star were troubled and dumbfounded on how to solve the Big Mom, Kaido threat. So you’re saying that Oda ways of writing is that the minute Luffy reaches a plateau, that plateau becomes reachable and beatable by previous weaker characters or basically anybody. Again let me repeat, Luffy’s yonko status is not fake hype like when he left Totto land and with Buggy here. Luffy has proved that he has the power of yonko and beat one to become one. It’s not about what fans want, it’s about consistency. If Lucci is shown to match Luffy, that means that he could have also match Kaido which would make the writing inconsistent.

                                    I guess if we want to theorize Luffy being treated like Linlin or Kaido in a way to shape the rest of this arc and keep it actually interesting.

                                    We could turn Luffy into the unstoppable walking monster that cp0 tries to outrun and delay while they try to stay ahead and do their real mission.

                                    Or we could have Luffy get ahead straight to the top of Egghead and wait out a timer until leaving while cp0 and any other coming factors try to reach him and face him in vein as he knocks them down or away.

                                    Or I guess the whitebeard route and have him blow most of them away but then cause a serious distraction that opens him up to getting piled on by a large group for serious damage that still won't stop him.

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                                      @Marcotty said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                      @realtenchu said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                      @Marcotty said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                      I don't think there's remotely a way for Oda to satisfy fans that want Luffy's Yonko status to be clear and epic while also keeping to his usual writing style. After a chapter highlighting Luffy beaten up by his crew and in a cage and Buggy crying with a knife and hook in his back, I'd say Oda plans to keep things the same as he always does and fuck the "Yonko status" label.

                                      Fuck the “yonko status” label. Funny how he didn’t fucked up the yonko status before Luffy and kept it as the pinnacle of strength and unbeatability. So scary and unbeatable were the yonko that even the Five Star were troubled and dumbfounded on how to solve the Big Mom, Kaido threat. So you’re saying that Oda ways of writing is that the minute Luffy reaches a plateau, that plateau becomes reachable and beatable by previous weaker characters or basically anybody. Again let me repeat, Luffy’s yonko status is not fake hype like when he left Totto land and with Buggy here. Luffy has proved that he has the power of yonko and beat one to become one. It’s not about what fans want, it’s about consistency. If Lucci is shown to match Luffy, that means that he could have also match Kaido which would make the writing inconsistent.

                                      I guess if we want to theorize Luffy being treated like Linlin or Kaido in a way to shape the rest of this arc and keep it actually interesting.

                                      We could turn Luffy into the unstoppable walking monster that cp0 tries to outrun and delay while they try to stay ahead and do their real mission.

                                      Or we could have Luffy get ahead straight to the top of Egghead and wait out a timer until leaving while cp0 and any other coming factors try to reach him and face him in vein as he knocks them down or away.

                                      Or I guess the whitebeard route and have him blow most of them away but then cause a serious distraction that opens him up to getting piled on by a large group for serious damage that still won't stop him.

                                      You can theorize any way you want and Oda can do whatever but if lucci matches Luffy when both are serious and in a fair way, it means that Lucci could match Kaido, there’s no way around that.

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                                        Does Luffy have control of how G5 works?

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                                          @realtenchu Depends on how he matched him. If he has a counter that Kaido can't use that nullifies something important about Luffy, then it may not mean much.

                                          Personally, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth if he's close to Luffy in strength, but logically, it doesn't necessitate that he could beat Kaido.

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                                            If VP was able to escape, who stops the WG from destroying his brain up there. He can probably make it mobile and have it go into space or something.

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                                              Yeah, fuck the Yonko status label. Power level stuff aside, Luffy and the Strawhats just completely lack that special aura all the previous Yonko actually had.

                                              The main problem is that Luffy is acknowledged as Yonko around the world basically solely because the WG and the newspaper said so. Let's assume everything at Wano just happened the same way aside from Luffy being declared Yonko in the newspaper and you encounter Luffy on a random island, would it have the same oomph as if you randomly stumble across the likes of Big Mom, Kaido, Shanks or even Whitebeard? These guys were fucking emperors of the sea with huge territories under their wing. Luffy sure is a notorious pirate, but he doesn't give that vibe that he actually claims territories and offers protection if you go by his flag. Before he was declared Yonko, did any places he visited beforehand actually even consider to go under his flag, that is, because he might offer protection especially from other Yonko?

                                              Unfortunately Oda really messed up to organically develop Luffy Yonko-ness around the journey. For example, the Levely would have been such a perfect oppurtunity. Like what if actually a dozen or more countries led by the likes of Vivi declared leaving the WG and going under Strawhat flag now? That would have been a big deal assuming that firstly enough countries do that step and secondly the Strawhats' shadow is powerful enough so that the WG doesn't even think to lay hand lightly on one of these countries or their rulers because otherwise it would result in another Marineford war.

                                              Luffy completely failed to gain such a Yonko-ish reputation. That's why he artifically had to be declared by the WG instead.

                                              Besides, Luffy and the Strawhats showed on several occasions that they are not in the Yonko game as they failed to offer protection.

                                              • They had completely no answer when Big Mom targeted Zeff, but luckily Oda completely handwaved it away, so they didn't even need to come up with any countermeasure at all.
                                              • After Wano when they heard about the Levely incident, they couldn't even consider anything in order to properly scout the situation. Couldn't they at least contact someone of the Grand Fleet in order to check it out in some way?

                                              Let's face it, the Strawhats just are not Yonko material.

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                                                @ARTEMlS I don't consider it a problem because I believe the intention is for Luffy and the crew to constantly break the mold.

                                                We've seen them gain bounties in the past and some were like "yeah right" or didn't care.

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                                                  OK, so Ch. 1,068 was officially released today on the 4th. And Ch. 1,069 and 1,070 should officially release on the 11th and 18th, respectively. But Christmas and then New Year's Day are on the two Sundays after that, and official WSJ breaks don't count to Oda's break schedules.

                                                  So, when would Ch. 1,071 come out? January 8th? Then Oda takes his break, and on the 22nd, things return back to normal?

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                                                    @Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                                    So, when would Ch. 1,071 come out? January 8th? Then Oda takes his break, and on the 22nd, things return back to normal?

                                                    Holidays get wacky. The official releases have a bunch of big gaps but due to printing cycles it tends to work out that the bootleg versions come out way way early and then there's a multi-week gap.

                                                    But yes, something like that sounds about right. Oda's break doesn't care if the magazine skips a week, he still gets that break after so it's all on what he wants to do.

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                                                      @Captain-M said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                                      I'm also curious about the two silhouettes assisting him in the lab back there. Aren't they just a bit too distinct to be anonymous researchers?

                                                      Dunno, I assumed they were a younger Caesar and Judge. They had to be there. Unless the silhouettes are younger (and fit) Queen plus a fifth yet-unrevealed MADS member ?

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                                                        @Seafarer33 a man marked with flames, perhaps? 🤞

                                                        It would be nice if all the unknown new characters were actually one person, to save time.

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                                                        It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                                          @Seafarer33 I can see the one on the right being Caesar, he's got the hair for it, but the left one and Judge is a tough sell. Two very different chins on those figures.

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                                                            @Captain-M I was thinking flat-haired young Caesar on the left (who could have gotten his tangly hair and horns later on as a result of some experiment gone wrong) and wild-haired Judge on the right. I reckon both are a stretch, though.

                                                            @Razh would be nice, although if the man marked with flames is who some theorized couple chapters ago, chances are he couldn't have fit through the door of the lab 😁

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                                                              @Seafarer33 Tell you what, I was thinking Caesar on the right because of the wild hair and the top of his head being out of shot to hide the horns, but you might be onto something. I went back to Caesar's Punk Hazard flashback of his time with Vegapunk to confirm he had the horns there and found he's got a much neater and more rounded haircut than in the present day, one that certainly hits closer to the silhouette than how he looks now.

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                                                              If we assume Caesar's hair has only gotten wilder as he got older, he could very well have been casting a bowl cut-looking shadow in the MADS days. Definitely have some questions about the lack of horns though.

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                                                                I understand that the two shadows were Ceasar and Judge. Otherwise this bubble makes little sense.

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                                                                  What Kdom says. Ceasar one the left Judge on the right.

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                                                                    @Captain-M I didn't remember that haircut at all, but it does make the match more likely. I'd be ok to attribute the horns to some Smiles-related experiments he would have done on himself

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                                                                      @Seafarer33 Yeah I'd assumed like with Merry the horns would have been something he'd always had, in that classic One Piece way that some characters are just like that. That's why their absence threw me so badly on something that was apparently pretty obvious to the rest of the forum. There'd be plenty of ways for a man of science to grow his own in this universe.

                                                                      Or maybe they grow over time and he used to file them down, Hellboy style...

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                                                                        The horns where implanted by Law just like Monet bird feet and wings and the other prisoners who Law gave legs to move after the lab exploded. Also I wonder why everybody is overlooking the fact that Jinbe and chopper is with Luffy and they might possibly fight Luci or is it a case where we are just anxious for a second round. The most I can see happening is Luci getting of an attack against Luffy only to be stopped or interrupted by another Straw Hat and my bet is Jinbe.

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                                                                          @One-Don-Requelme said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                                                          The horns where implanted by Law just like Monet bird feet and wings and the other prisoners who Law gave legs to move after the lab exploded.

                                                                          Caesar already had the horns four years ago when Vegapunk exiled him

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                                                                            I'm suspecting that the most interesting reason to have Lucci at Egghead would be to have him cross paths with Caribou, since Lucci tried getting the Pluton blueprints in the past and Caribou knows Pluton's location in addition to Poseidon. Regardless of what happens with his "rivalry" with Luffy, Caribou making a deal with him to get him out of there in exchange for the Ancient Weapon info would prob be a win for Lucci regardless.

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                                                                              Didn't know it was debatable. The hair and scarf sticking out on the right, plus Judge is right under the silhouette.

                                                                              I didn't realize til I looked at r/ and Twitter yesterday, how much discourse there is around Lucci. I thought the powerscaling was just on here.

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                                                                                So we have a seraphim that has the devil fruit of the guy he is a clone from (S-Bear) and another that has the devil fruit of another person (S-Shark). Is that the same method that is used or is it different ?
                                                                                Vegapunk dream is a free energy but our dream is that he finally tells us how devil fruits works 🙂

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                                                                                  @Kdom said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                                                                  So we have a seraphim that has the devil fruit of the guy he is a clone from (S-Bear) and another that has the devil fruit of another person (S-Shark). Is that the same method that is used or is it different ?
                                                                                  Vegapunk dream is a free energy but our dream is that he finally tells us how devil fruits works 🙂

                                                                                  Considering how Vegapunk can turn invisible and is ironing out the kinks of his warping ability I'd say he has found a method to copy any Paramecia ability he can think of, even without access to the actual Devil Fruit. Although now that I think of it, it is a bit suspicious that the two abilities that the Stella himself has used now belong to Titanic Captains...

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                                                                                    So with this new development about disappearing CP agents it's very likely that we haven't seen the main arc antagonist yet. Question now is if it'll be someone new or somebody we already know.

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                                                                                      @Ivotas Do you think the Vegapunks were telling the truth that they had nothing to do with the disappearances?

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                                                                                        Yeah I maybe can't talk about what should and shouldn't be obvious after the cover silhouettes, but I thought it was fairly clear that the Vegapunks have been disappearing Cipher Pol investigators to cover their tracks.

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                                                                                          @Johnny-B-Decent said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                                                                          @Ivotas Do you think the Vegapunks were telling the truth that they had nothing to do with the disappearances?

                                                                                          Going by how Lilith reacted she clearly seems to have no clue what's going on. She was even willing to let CP0 onto island because she was offended how one would accuse them of doing something like this and wanted to prove her innocence in that matter.

                                                                                          Personally I think that even Lucci has realized that when he said he understood. Doesn't mean he has to abort his mission though.

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                                                                                            @Ivotas said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                                                                            Going by how Lilith reacted she clearly seems to have no clue what's going on

                                                                                            My read was that she first goes aggressive to cover the lie - hurling a 'how dare you accuse me of this' attack right back to put the person calling you out on the offensive is in-character for a brash, "evil" personality like hers. And then when Pythagoras tries to restrain her she overcorrects and offers to open the whole thing up, just for the gag scene.

                                                                                            Could be wrong, of course, but I'm just seeing the Punk personalities going about their own ways of covering it up.

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                                                                                              @Captain-M said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                                                                              @Ivotas said in Chapter 1068: A Genius's Dream:

                                                                                              Going by how Lilith reacted she clearly seems to have no clue what's going on

                                                                                              My read was that she first goes aggressive to cover the lie - hurling a 'how dare you accuse me of this' attack right back to put the person calling you out on the offensive is in-character for a brash, "evil" personality like hers. And then when Pythagoras tries to restrain her she overcorrects and offers to open the whole thing up, just for the gag scene.

                                                                                              Could be wrong, of course, but I'm just seeing the Punk personalities going about their own ways of covering it up.

                                                                                              Lilith so far has been portrayed as a character who's pretty much on the nose and openly shows her true intentions. Of course there's the chance that this is all an act seeing that she's the one representing Vegapunks evil side, so if anyone is up for trickery she's the most likely candidate.

                                                                                              But somehow I just read this moment as it being her genuine reaction. Not really something that I feel disagreeing much with anyone about though as I might be dead wrong here. I guess I'm mostly inclined to take that at face value as even before this chapter I thought that there will be something else going on at Egghead which will not make CP0 the primary antagonists. So I took this scene to completely go that route.

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                                                                                                @Ivotas I can see a pretty solid line between being upfront about her intent to rob a bunch of random pirates she has no connection to and needing to mislead the World Government agents that are actively investigating their operations.

                                                                                                If we make the safe bet that Vegapunk is so assured of his own death because the WG keeps sending higher and higher level agents to look into his research, it becomes imperative that the clones keep the charade going as long as possible, whatever their normal levels of honesty or aggression are.

                                                                                                Whatever the answer, I am interested to see where this arc is going, because I agree that CP0 - even if Lucci has leveled up in the past two years - don't feel like quite enough to be the final bosses for this arc on their own.

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                                                                                                  As I said, not much reason to argue here. I just don't read this as a scene where somebody is intentionally being mislead. If you do it's a fair enough guess.

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