I disagree on the whole its supposed to work like the real world. What matters most is the world having internal sense not does it translate to our world.
I can agree that it would be better if Oda remembered he had 10 cipher pol and used the different numbers for different service.
@Bugs said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
Jim boy is; Luffy still has the boots on. Personally, I don't trust Lilith in the least and wouldn't be surprised if she did something to help CP0. As we've seen she's not that bright either, and probably doesn't grasp why they're here.
I agree in distrusting Lilith. I feel she may actually be on CP0’s side.
@desa said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
I disagree on the whole its supposed to work like the real world. What matters most is the world having internal sense not does it translate to our world.
But that's really the same thing. When speaking of real world concepts applied to a fictional environment than we expect internal sense because that's the idea we are familar with and can understand. If it lacks internal sense then the reason we as audience are thrown off by it, is because that's not something easily relatable by us, as it lacks real world counterparts/experience.
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
@desa said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
I disagree on the whole its supposed to work like the real world. What matters most is the world having internal sense not does it translate to our world.
But that's really the same thing. When speaking of real world concepts applied to a fictional environment than we expect internal sense because that's the idea we are familar with and can understand. If it lacks internal sense then the reason we as audience are thrown off by it, is because that's not something easily relatable by us, as it lacks real world counterparts/experience.
I dont think they are the same thing at all. Like my issue with something like not burning the Ohara books is that burning so much land because they lived is inconsistent with leaving books they privately owned. Not that books used to be burned in real life so it should happen in this story to.
but its not something that need a lengthy discussion. So lets just split the difference say I that I dont usually think on how events/system compare to our real world counterparts while you do.
@desa said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
@desa said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
I disagree on the whole its supposed to work like the real world. What matters most is the world having internal sense not does it translate to our world.
But that's really the same thing. When speaking of real world concepts applied to a fictional environment than we expect internal sense because that's the idea we are familar with and can understand. If it lacks internal sense then the reason we as audience are thrown off by it, is because that's not something easily relatable by us, as it lacks real world counterparts/experience.
I dont think they are the same thing at all. Like my issue with something like not burning the Ohara books is that burning so much land because they lived is inconsistent with leaving books they privately owned. Not that books used to be burned in real life so it should happen in this story to.
But that's exactly what I'm saying. Books being burned in real life is not the issue. The issue is that in real life you would either destroy or confiscate the material archeoligists you consider having conducted world threatening research protected at the cost of their life. If you get thrown off by it, it's because it makes no plausible sense. And for you to consider that it makes no plausible sense you would have to have a basic understanding of what makes plausible sense. And this you didn't develop in One Piece, you were already carrying it in you because it's based on your understanding of the world you live in.
Even if you consciously feel like the real world doesn't matter, subconsciously you feel the exact opposite. That's why this scene throws you off. Ever heard people saying things like "I don't know what it is, but I didn't really like this movie/episode/chapter"? That's mostly because on a subconscious level they are thrown off by something that on a cobscious level they don't even realize they notice and/or care about. That creates the situation which Mr. Plinkett would discribe as "you might not have realized it, but your brain did."
Even if we would want to have it another way, we cannot escape the hold the real world has over us when we approach fictional universes.
but its not something that need a lengthy discussion. So lets just split the difference say I that I dont usually think on how events/system compare to our real world counterparts while you do.
I would rather say it does not need a lenghty discussion because we don't actually disagree. Rather it's a matter of me not having well explenained what I say, when I use a term like "the real world", which then seems to be leading to confusion.
Just a question, does the "It climbed the Red line" a reference to JoyBoy?
I know they are talking about the robot, but didn't JoyBoy also climbed the Red Line at some point? My memory is very fuzzy about that ^^
@Dogmeat I think it's to Fisher Tiger.
@Dogmeat said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
I know they are talking about the robot, but didn't JoyBoy also climbed the Red Line at some point?
You are thinking of Fisher Tiger. We don't know anything about Joy Boy's story.
If Sentomaru is in this arc what do you think he will do?
The Elders want Vegapunk taken out (I assume) and he’s a member of the Marines now, but he was first introduced as Vegapunk’s body guard, will he decide to side with the Straw Hats and protect Vegapunk or be okay with the assassination
I personally think if he turns up this arc he’ll decide to side with straw hats, I think it would be weird to say he was his bodyguard if it didn’t mean he had some sort of personal connection with him
I don't think it's happening, but at this point the best way to salvage cp0's longshot mission would probably be if Lucci was just a decoy to draw their focus and the other agents were already on the inside. Even if it's just the rest of the old cp9 group, I'd accept it if it meant Jabra's reintroduction was taking out the first Vegapunk body and catching everyone by surprise.
It's so weird to not have Sentomaru on this arc. Even when he was already a marine in post-TS Sabaondy reunion he was responsible for a small number of Pacifistas. So it must mean that he was still working closesly with Vegapunk
@Shiebs said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
If Sentomaru is in this arc what do you think he will do?
He was Vegapunk's bodyguard, so I guess Vegapunk may summon him for help? Maybe there's some rocket or jet-powered submarine in Sabaody to quickly reach Egghead?
The question is though if he even is asigned as bodyguard now that the WG is cutting ties with Vegapunk. Could make for an interesting dynamic though if he still was and just get's the memo now. After all Sword didn't seem like they got the memo.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@Deicide
That's why I said it would make for an interesting dynamic. This dude just had the aura of having more to him than what we saw so far. It'd be really disappointed if that was all we saw of him.
That being said, having a body guard is not only supposed to protect someone from outside threats but also from those coming from the inside. Vegapunk created those Kuma Pacifista which already are a serious threat to regular people but now he cranked it up to 11 with the Seraphim. You need security measures from making sure those things don't turn against you. And while a shut down or self destruct button are good ideas if those features malfunction you're defenseless. So having a bodyguard, who is completely independent strikes me as a good approach. Meaning Sentomaru should be there to keep the Seraphim in check.
@Shiebs said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
@Ivotas Maybe he’ll join the crew
Or travel with them
Dude, I'm not gonna lie, back then I actually really believed he would join the crew at a point. Didn't think so long but I did and I'm not gonna make excuses for this.
I wonder if he’s connected to Wano.
@Ivotas i was thinking he might get Kuma’s powers if they got transferred, because of how similar there fighting styles are (the sumo stance they use) and how he said he has the greatest defense in the world, which works perfectly with a power that can deflect anything, especially since he uses the palms of his hands to do it just like Kuma
So your not the only one who has silly theories about him
At the very least if they help Vegapunk out he might turn into an ally
@Shiebs
Yeah the Sumo attacks from Kuma and the palm strikes from Sentomaru were also something I cought up on. But I couldn't come up with anything that might be a deeper connection.
One thing though I hope to see if he comes back is for him to have a guard that is still considered tough this late in the series. Because it would mean the toughest defence in the world line was not an empty phrase.
@Johnny-B-Decent
Oh right, there was a strange link to Fishmen in my head but couldn't set things straight ^^
Time for yet another reread I guess, it has been a few years.
Anyway, isn't there a link to Fisher Tiger then? I just find it weird to use the words "climbed the Red Line" for both instead of "getting to Marijoa" or "attacked the government". Climbing the Red line in itself wasn't their objective, just a path to get were they wanted to be, right?
Then again maybe things and places were different back then.
@Ivotas Sentomaru is an interesting character. He claims to have the world's strongest defense, to start. It may just be gloating, but it felt like he was talking to himself in his quirk of telling info he doesn't want to tell.
Plus, he says the SH crew was so weak back then he wouldn't use his axe, indicating his real strength is far beyond what we've saw.
Plus, he was linked to Kizaru and Vegapunk.
And, to cap it all out, Luffy said (back in post-timeskip Sabaody) he had a feeling we would be seeing Sentoumaru again.
It's a sure bet to expect him to return at some point.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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