@danie said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
Good and coherent storytelling does not stay in antagonism to a story not taking itself too seriously. That's two completely different things right there. Whether a series takes itself seriously or not, are not really indicators to judge the quality of the storytelling. It's rather something that gives it its unique flavour. But that aside a story will still to have to be written well to be considered a good story. And when a story uses self-contradictory elements it's bad storytelling that cannot be excused by "doesn't take too seriously".
Wasn't what you were criticizing that Cipher Pol doesn't function like real world intelligence agencies? My answer is that they don't have too! It's a cartoon!
My point was and always will be that each fictional story has it's source in real life. If it hasn't it wouldn't be something the audience could relate to. That's not something I came up with, it's basic knowledge of storytelling. That does not mean that fictional stories put their own spins on it but the basic concepts have to apply. And we can use your Marine example below to perfectly show how it follows real world concepts with their own unique spin.
You might as well criticize that the marine admirals don't stay behind to direct their soldiers instead of they themselves kicking ass with their awesome powers.
Admirals or Generals (depending of what military branch we're talking about) hold their high rank because of their skillset that usually has been put to successfully use in real missions. Based on the accomplishments you get a higher rank because their achievements show that the skillset is used best in a higher position. Simple example, if an Admiral is a super strategist and good at keeping soldiers under control but being substandard in a real fight then putting him on the front lines is a waste of his talents. In the real world one person can not defeat thousands of soldiers with his own physical power.
In One Piece however characters have those superhuman powers. In One Piece strenght does matter. Of course other skills help too but being strong is what decides everything in every arc. That's the unique flavour of this universe itself. But it still has to follow the real world rules where one is made an Admiral because of their skillset and achievements. The difference between One Piece and the real world are the values of raw physical strength. But the concept of why a soldier is made Admiral is the same.
@Robby said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1067: Punk Records:
I cannot believe that I actually have to explain this very concept to you of all people.
I understand what you're saying just fine. Don't be condescending.
No offense mate, but a "nobody else cares" statement is just as condescending. It's one of the worst ways to approach a discussion here because different people have different things they like/dislike. It's for neither of us to decide what value a certain aspect of the story hold to another person here. Many things have been discussed in this forum and there will always be things people care for while others don't.
But you're making a huge multi-page deal out of an issue no one else sees AS an issue, hence the confusion from the half dozen people replying to you.
I merely made one post saying how CP0 is a mess on a conceptual basis since they are whatever the plot needs them to be. What made this is multi-page discussion is the replies that tell me it's inaccurate. Am I not supposed to reply and explain why I don't agree with the feedback I get and why I think said feedback is wrong?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's the others fault as it's definitely me who started this. But saying "you are making a huge multi-page deal out of (it)" is kind of a weird point of criticism considering that this is a discussion forum. And that's even leaving aside that it's factually wrong as there's not only members who disagree but also guys who agree with my point.
As I said several times already on this subject, it's ok if it is not a big deal to you guys. I'm not trying to tell you that you have to dislike it as I do. I'm not saying that you have to care as much as I do. What I'm saying is, that if you chose to engage in a discussion with me to prove my argument wrong, then you have to understand that I will reply to you and defend my point as long as I see that what I propose still holds up.
I mean you know me mate. You've witnessed several times by now, that no matter how much I make hard cases, I'm the first to say "I stand corrected" when somebody makes a really good case for how I am mistaken. That's always the mindset I approach these things. If you don't want to talk about this anymore it's fine. I'm not going to force you or anyone else to stick to this. But don't complain if I reply to the feedback I'm getting. That's a childish way to end a discussion.