I only now realized that Van Auger must be close to whoever he wants to warp. Makes it a bit distinct from Ope Ope's ability and makes room for a great deal of strategy. OP fights usually do not have much of those, so I'm in high hopes the sharpshooter breakdown will deal with a bit of that if you please.
Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase
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I went down a rabbit hole of Cyborg 009, Astro Boy, constellations, and The 5tory of the 5ecret 5tar 5ystem when 1062 came out. Now i'm seeing that Ochimusha did the same and probably earlier. Similar to when I got stuck on Yamato Takeru and Inuyasha during early Onigashima. I was so sure that not only was Yamato the dog to Luffy's monkey and Marco's pheasant, but his DF would be Inu Inu.
I'm tired of Oda spamming dog zoans. It's even with the dino/dragon ones. If there are more Zoans, i'd prefer if it was for the cats, birds, and newer series.
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@Seafarer33 Only one that should get beaten is Law. Heart Pirates should rescue Pudding. No point in her being shown in this chapter outside the cover page if she is meant to stay captured.
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@electricmastro I would say Yamato and his abundant sideboob is more likely to be a symptom than the cause hahaha
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@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
You're being overly optimistic.
About what?
Pretty sure I didn't say Law was going to kill BB and his crew.
To me its impressive enough that Law's crew did not get immediately steamrolled and that's before I knew about their new DF abilities.
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Why isn't Jinbe's hair black in Chapter 1064 even though it was black in Chapter 1063?
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
Why isn't Jinbe's hair black in Chapter 1064 even though it was black in Chapter 1063?
It just means he’s a natural blonde
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@electricmastro Oda's always drawn young Jinbe with lighter hair.
And either he experimented with only half dying it in his 30s, or it just naturally darkened over time.
Interestingly, Jinbe isn't alone in this trait. Kin'emon was also light-haired as a youth and either went naturally black or started dying it. If it's a natural phenomena, this might just be one of the ways humans (and humanoid races) are weird in OP's universe, like the extra blood types, or growing eight metres tall.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@electricmastro Oda's always drawn young Jinbe with lighter hair.
And either he experimented with only half dying it in his 30s, or it just naturally darkened over time.
Interestingly, Jinbe isn't alone in this trait. Kin'emon was also light-haired as a youth and either went naturally black or started dying it. If it's a natural phenomena, this might just be one of the ways humans (and humanoid races) are weird in OP's universe, like the extra blood types, or growing eight metres tall.
Oh right, just realized that the yellow part on his hair he used to have was from his childhood and not some later hair dye trend. lol
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@electricmastro Oda's always drawn young Jinbe with lighter hair.
And either he experimented with only half dying it in his 30s, or it just naturally darkened over time.
Interestingly, Jinbe isn't alone in this trait. Kin'emon was also light-haired as a youth and either went naturally black or started dying it. If it's a natural phenomena, this might just be one of the ways humans (and humanoid races) are weird in OP's universe, like the extra blood types, or growing eight metres tall.
Oh right, just realized that the yellow part on his hair he used to have was from his childhood and not some later hair dye trend. lol
It's weird to me, because of the anime showing kid Jinbe's hair like this.
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If anything the real weird thing with post-Bonney's power Kid Jinbe is that he kept the scar.
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@electricmastro This version from the credits of Film Z has it a lighter grey, but that's still different from the colour manga version. It's a strange case, definitely.
Edit: fricking fandom wiki images
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These chapters give me the feeling that Bonney is not a birth child of Kuma but has been adopted.
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@Zik Not that. The part where you suppose BB doesn't have conqueror's haki and may end subjected to amputate or thrown in the water. Even assuming he really doesn't have it, I'm sure he'll find ways around Law's powers thanks to the Darkness fruit.
The Heart Pirates will give a cool brave last stand because it's Law, but I don't see them leaving without handing over their poneglyph rubbing one way or another. Blackbeard has to move forward if we're entering endgame. -
@danie said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
Heart Pirates should rescue Pudding. No point in her being shown in this chapter outside the cover page if she is meant to stay captured.
What does this achieve, though ? The Heart Pirates have no idea that Pudding is important at all to anyone, they never even met her. Why would they go out of their way to rescue her ? I could see it happen in a kind of "your valuable prisonner may be of value to me as well" stroke of luck, or as an hostage if they need leverage to save their fallen captain. Or if they somehow manage to wreck Blackbeard's ship and she tricks them into taking her onboard. But I'd rather she stayed with Blackbeard to keep him relevant in the race to One Piece and as a motivation for a Sanji arc later on.
Random unrelated thought : if Van Augur and Pudding are on Winner Island, should we assume Aokiji is there as well ? That would certainly be the last nail to the Heart Pirates' coffin...
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@electricmastro Oda's always drawn young Jinbe with lighter hair.
And either he experimented with only half dying it in his 30s, or it just naturally darkened over time.
Interestingly, Jinbe isn't alone in this trait. Kin'emon was also light-haired as a youth and either went naturally black or started dying it. If it's a natural phenomena, this might just be one of the ways humans (and humanoid races) are weird in OP's universe, like the extra blood types, or growing eight metres tall.
I always thought that Kinnemon just colored his hair because that's pretty much what all young rebels do in Japan. Not that everybody who has a different color is a rebel mind you, but you will rarely find one with their natural hair color. Has Oda actually said, that this was Kinnemon's real hair color?
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@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@danie said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
Heart Pirates should rescue Pudding. No point in her being shown in this chapter outside the cover page if she is meant to stay captured.
What does this achieve, though ? The Heart Pirates have no idea that Pudding is important at all to anyone, they never even met her. Why would they go out of their way to rescue her ? I could see it happen in a kind of "your valuable prisonner may be of value to me as well" stroke of luck, or as an hostage if they need leverage to save their fallen captain. Or if they somehow manage to wreck Blackbeard's ship and she tricks them into taking her onboard. But I'd rather she stayed with Blackbeard to keep him relevant in the race to One Piece and as a motivation for a Sanji arc later on.
Random unrelated thought : if Van Augur and Pudding are on Winner Island, should we assume Aokiji is there as well ? That would certainly be the last nail to the Heart Pirates' coffin...
I find it ironic that the Captain of the Heart Pirates tried to pierce Blackbeard, because of the how the real Blackbeard's flag was said to be of a devil skeleton piercing a heart.
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If Oda has said nothing of that sort then I'm gonna go with dying until proven otherwise. The cultural implications are too strong for me to ignore.
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Why would de-aging give Jinbe artificial hair coloring? It's not like it's a devil fruit that restores the person back into their past self. Otherwise his scar would have vanished as well.
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Ivotas makes a good point about the cultural implications I hadn't considered. That definitely doesn't read the same way outside of Japan. But then I also like Razh's point about the ability being unlikely to restore something like a dye job. More and more I'd love to see the SBS response to this one. I don't think I could write in Japanese well enough to get in myself though.
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Kin’emon definitely dyed his hair blond in his youth as a stereotypical Japanese “delinquent” (remember Chichi throwing s fit whenever Gohan turned into a SSJ).
Once Yasuie ordered the group to become respectable samurai for Oden’s sake, he stopped doing so.As for Jinbe, the chapter shows his hair was lighter when he was a kid and just grew darker (something common even irl).
Like Razh said, the artificial changes to his body were kept (scar and tattoo), so the hair-dying should too if it was the case. -
Kin'emon, fair enough. Jinbe though, it depends on what version we follow. The grey from Film Z going to black seems reasonable, but the beigey shade from the colour manga Fishman Island flashback is a much bigger shift than I've ever heard of happening in real life.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@electricmastro This version from the credits of Film Z has it a lighter grey, but that's still different from the colour manga version. It's a strange case, definitely.
The anime has constantly got Jinbe's hair wrong. It took them ages to get the eyebrows and hair stripes and sideburns to all match. (They're supposed to all be gold, but the anime made some of them grey/white pre-timeskip.)
And Robin's eye color is still wrong but I guess they felt it was too late to change that, even though they did adjust her skintone... after the timeskip.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
Ivotas makes a good point about the cultural implications I hadn't considered. That definitely doesn't read the same way outside of Japan. But then I also like Razh's point about the ability being unlikely to restore something like a dye job. More and more I'd love to see the SBS response to this one. I don't think I could write in Japanese well enough to get in myself though.
Oh I was talking about Kinnemon specifically. Heck, even his hairstyle pre-Oden looks like the wild stuff some wannabe rowdies and rebels over here would turn their hairstyle into.
But intersting that you guys mention Jinbei. I didn't even realize that he was the only Strawhat who got turned younger. I thought he also became a geezer and had grey hair. And that the only reason he doesn't have any wrinkles is because Fishmen have different skin. Guess I was wrong. Either way, doesn't change what I said about Kinnemon.
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It's a shame, I've always loved Teen Jinbe with the pikey hair and extra gold.
Still missing a chunk of his backstory where he gets the scar and adopts the topknot and becomes a less angry man... but while I was once sure we'd get that story, along with Brook's past pre-Laboon, I think we're never getting those now unless they tie into BB pirates.
Especially since Jinbe and Inazuma had the same wonky lightning scar over the same eye and that's a really unusual shape for a scar..
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
The grey from Film Z going to black seems reasonable, but the beigey shade from the colour manga Fishman Island flashback is a much bigger shift than I've ever heard of happening in real life.
It could be the black hair of the manga that is misleading and his color is meant to be a dark brown. As .access said, around here as well (northern Europe) a blonde kid growing up to darker hair is very common. Not going all the way to asian black hair of course, but the difference can be stunning.
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@Seafarer33 I mean, I would rather she be rescued by Big Mom when she makes her comeback in Elbaf or whatever, but what is the point of her being shown captured this chapter outside the cover page if her rescue is supposed to come later? I'm not sure where Oda would take things with her and the heart pirates but I can totally see them sink Blackbeard's ship and rescue her.
Of course maybe she was just shown this chapter to emphasize that Blackbeard is fighting one of the men responsible for bringing down her mom and such, and Kuzan is on the ship and will be freezing them soon, but that just seems like a waste to me.
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So whatever happened to Burgess this chapter? Did he go full Gollum with his precious mountain?
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in the upcoming chapters Vegapunk is going to make a breakdown of the devil fruits and how they work ( Oda promised that )
perhaps he's going to address Teach's uniqueness while he's at it and i won't be surprised if Kuma is in the mix of it after the tease.
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@Ivotas said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
So whatever happened to Burgess this chapter? Did he go full Gollum with his precious mountain?
You mean with his strong- strong fruit power. I imagine he should be checking out the island, but most likely he is just waiting around for Oda to decide it's time for him to destroy Bepo or Jean Bart.
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@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
The grey from Film Z going to black seems reasonable, but the beigey shade from the colour manga Fishman Island flashback is a much bigger shift than I've ever heard of happening in real life.
It could be the black hair of the manga that is misleading and his color is meant to be a dark brown. As .access said, around here as well (northern Europe) a blonde kid growing up to darker hair is very common. Not going all the way to asian black hair of course, but the difference can be stunning.
Southern Europe-rep here. My wife was naturally blonde, as in Northern European blonde, as a kid. In her teenage years, her hair became deep-dark brown. As you said, not actually black, but it could be mistaken by black in dimmer light. So it is a thing in real life. Just for the record, she keeps dying her hair blonde because that's how she's always seen herself
But I think the way Oda depicted Jinbe's hair changing throughout the years is also a nod to the Japanese young rebel hairstyle thing. As Jinbe grew, calmed down and matured, his hair naturally reflected that. Going from a blonde spikey haired thug into an honorable "oyabun" with black hair in a topknot. Just, y'know, naturally. Of course.
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I have a few dark haired fishman friends and they all had lighter hair when they were kids.
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@hideoushorrendous doubt he's going to be as detailed as we would have wished. Since, you know, a lot of devil fruits have asspulley effects.
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As a child, my hair was almost white-blonde, and now I'm a brunette. It's not that absurd.
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@Razh said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
Why would de-aging give Jinbe artificial hair coloring? It's not like it's a devil fruit that restores the person back into their past self. Otherwise his scar would have vanished as well.
Yeah, it might not be so literal of turning someone back to their former self, because kid Jinbe also has the sun tattoo even though he only got it in his 30s.
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@electricmastro it's just simple aging or de-aging of current person. Otherwise Jinbe would have no idea who these guys around him are.
The comment about Luffy is interesting, though. Almost as if stating blatantly Luffy won't survive that long. And while it's safe to assume he won't survive until late age like that, seeing it spelled out by the author is a little different.
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@Razh said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@electricmastro it's just simple aging or de-aging of current person. Otherwise Jinbe would have no idea who these guys around him are.
The comment about Luffy is interesting, though. Almost as if stating blatantly Luffy won't survive that long. And while it's safe to assume he won't survive until late age like that, seeing it spelled out by the author is a little different.
What "comment"? "In a different future"? That just means that Luffy is not who we should expect to see if we were to ever actually see him at that age.
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@Chrior said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
But I think the way Oda depicted Jinbe's hair changing throughout the years is also a nod to the Japanese young rebel hairstyle thing. As Jinbe grew, calmed down and matured, his hair naturally reflected that. Going from a blonde spikey haired thug into an honorable "oyabun" with black hair in a topknot. Just, y'know, naturally. Of course.
I wouldn't be surprised if, just like Kin'emon, Jinbe's light hair on his younger years was also meant to be dyed and Oda just forgot about it when drawing this chapter.
If so, we'll probably see him with a black hair when the chapter makes into a volume.
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@Chrior said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
But I think the way Oda depicted Jinbe's hair changing throughout the years is also a nod to the Japanese young rebel hairstyle thing. As Jinbe grew, calmed down and matured, his hair naturally reflected that. Going from a blonde spikey haired thug into an honorable "oyabun" with black hair in a topknot. Just, y'know, naturally. Of course.
I wouldn't be surprised if, just like Kin'emon, Jinbe's light hair on his younger years was also meant to be dyed and Oda just forgot about it when drawing this chapter.
If so, we'll probably see him with a black hair when the chapter makes into a volume.
Nah, you can see his hair gradually shift from golden to black throughout the years. It's not just a simple 100 % gold -> 100 % black. His eyebrows and sideburns are still gold even today. I think it's an artistic thing, to represent his personality shift, but occurring naturally.
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@danie said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@Razh said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
@electricmastro it's just simple aging or de-aging of current person. Otherwise Jinbe would have no idea who these guys around him are.
The comment about Luffy is interesting, though. Almost as if stating blatantly Luffy won't survive that long. And while it's safe to assume he won't survive until late age like that, seeing it spelled out by the author is a little different.
What "comment"? "In a different future"? That just means that Luffy is not who we should expect to see if we were to ever actually see him at that age.
Why even mention it? We'd just see old Luffy and assume what he would look like at 70. But having his name shown again, even jokingly, with a "different future" comment seems like an overkill.
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So do we have good reason Blackbeard isn't interested in going after Big Mom's fruit at this point based on what was said?
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@Razh Maybe because at some point we will see how the Luffy we know will actually look like at 70 years old.
Did you not see the sbs a while back where Oda drew two versions of 40 and 60 year old Luffy? One of them kinda looked like the Luffy we got this chapter.
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@Johnny-B-Decent i used to be pure blonde as a kid and now I’m a brunette so yeah it definitely does happen
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Like many of you guys, I myself also have darker hair now compared to my younger years. So I get where you are coming from. Still that doesn't mean that for Kinnemon specificly, there aren't some clear cultural implications that are simply lost on a western audience. A Japanese audience though will see it that way without even trying as it's totally a thing. Wano is meant to be Japan after all. Not modern Japan but still Japan so the implications are there.
Jinbei on the other hand most likely is subject to his hair gotten darker by itself.
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I always liked the idea that Kin'emon was naturally blonde, but dyed his hair black as a statement of his new samurai-ness.
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@Robby said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
It's a shame, I've always loved Teen Jinbe with the pikey hair and extra gold.
Still missing a chunk of his backstory where he gets the scar and adopts the topknot and becomes a less angry man... but while I was once sure we'd get that story, along with Brook's past pre-Laboon, I think we're never getting those now unless they tie into BB pirates.
Especially since Jinbe and Inazuma had the same wonky lightning scar over the same eye and that's a really unusual shape for a scar..
I mean Brooks opponent might be Laffite, who’s from the same sea as Brook and has a similar fighting style, but is decades younger, maybe we’ll find out he trained the same place as Brook in the exact same style of fighting, and get a flashback in the process
It could happen
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I found it funny that Oda made it casual that Bonney can change the age of people. No question or surprise from Luffy's group. Do we know the fruit's name ? That would have been a nice time to learn it
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@Kdom said in Chapter 1064: Egghead Labophase:
I found it funny that Oda made it casual that Bonney can change the age of people. No question or surprise from Luffy's group. Do we know the fruit's name ? That would have been a nice time to learn it
I imagine we'll learn much more by the time we get an explanation in full of her and Kuma's background.
