Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream
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It’s interesting how Shanks, Ace, Sabo, Yamato, and Luffy’s crew are the only ones who’ve been shown to know what Luffy’s dream is, and suggests as if Yamato is just as relevant to Luffy as his role model, brothers, and crew are, even though Yamato is just a Wano babysitter. Regardless of how people view Yamato, one has to wonder why Oda framed things this way if he’s not even going to wait for Vivi to be part of this special moment of just now getting to know Luffy's overall dream, or is the moment not meant to be special in the first place?
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It's ironic the chapter being called "Luffy's Dream" but the revelation itself is omitted. Regardless, this was an iconic moment of the series to me, the first time in ages that the crew's relationship deepened a little bit more in my eyes.
I agree with the notion that this scene gave off the vibe that the SH crew is finally complete, even more so paired with this re-do of a classic colorspread with all the gang. That said, in my opinion, Yamato's chances to join later are still alive due to chapter 1000.
The destruction of Lulusia looks great. It conveys this dark mystical edge to Imu and the World Government that I appreciate. As for the cause of its destruction, I think there're two ways to interpret why the Gorousei exploded Lulusia: 1) they already meant to destroy the country, therefore Sabo was "unlucky" to be there too; 2) they destroyed the island in order to kill Sabo, and Sabo was said to be "unlucky" only because Lulusia is an island where it's possible to use that superpower. The first option is more likely, but who knows.
The art this chapter was incredible and caught me offguard. It reminded me of Oda's style from a decade ago, or maybe I'm tripping because I'm feeling nostalgic during these last few chapters. Great stuff!!
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I really like the destruction of the kingdom. Gave the government a nice overwhelming aura.
I think the crew reaction should have been saved for when Oda is actually ready to share the dream. Same with the chapter name.
I was not convinced by the reason why Luffy is not gonna act on Vivi being a danger.
I am curious where meeting Bonney will lead us.
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@electricmastro Don't forget Rayleigh! He probably knows too.
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@danie said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
@electricmastro Don't forget Rayleigh! He probably knows too.
Ah right, then that would mean as if Yamato is part of a select few alongside Rayleigh who seem to know his overall dream. Rayleigh was his mentor who trained with him for 18 months, but Yamato has less sentimental value than that with Luffy, so it does make me wonder why even bother having Yamato know, unless it turns out to be a waste of time meant to trick readers so that Oda looks more clever.
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@electricmastro Well, I think we'll see what Oda has in store for Yamato soon enough. I'm pretty sure Shanks will meet a tragic end but Rayleigh and Sabo should be good! Let's hope Yamato is too.
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@danie said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
@electricmastro Well, I think we'll see what Oda has in store for Yamato soon enough. I'm pretty sure Shanks will meet a tragic end but Rayleigh should be good! Let's hope Yamato is too.
I suppose it's a matter of Yamato being given time to actually gain greater purpose to sailing alongside Luffy, because just being free as an Oden wannabe isn't good enough purpose. lol
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@electricmastro I expect Yamato will only sail with Luffy(along Momo and Kin'emon) at the end of the story. So yeah, sorry.
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@danie said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
@electricmastro I expect Yamato will only sail with Luffy(along Momo and Kin'emon) at the end of the story. So yeah, sorry.
Well, I figure that Yamato would be there at Laugh Tale with Luffy, likely to fill in the missing gaps in the journal after the Wano business is taken care of, like how Oden joined Roger a year before he went to Laugh Tale, so I suppose in a year we'll get a better idea of what Yamato's place is in the overall story is by next summer, because if Yamato knowing the dream is meant to emphasize her relevance, then I can't imagine her becoming less relevant. We'll have to see.
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it was a very good chapter. I'm not among those annoyed by the fact the dream is not revealed. It is probably a surprise Oda wants to keep till the end but he also wanted to tell his young readers that Luffy has another dream and that is why he wants to be pirate king.
Also the introduction via the promises he made with Sabo and Ace was nice and the double spread of the surprised crew is great.About Zoro and Vivi, I don't really mind either. He is correct about the fact they have no clue where she is. He had Ace vivre card but they have no such things for Vivi. It is better to let Luffy's legendary luck do the job. It just provide us one surprise at the end of the chapter :-)
Because Bonney arrival sure is lucky. How did she ended in that place and miraculously survived ? We know she is a key character so i don't mind the Deus ex Machina arrival. Are we entering a Vegapunk arc ? Finally !
Im demonstration is impressive. I like the hypothesis of it being Uranus. The reaction of the gorosei is weird as we don't know why they destroyed the island. The logic would be it is because Sabo knows but why would they say that ?
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So, it seems like we are done with the post Wano stuff and getting started with the new arc with Booney being reintroduced. Even though it was short lived with the bounty reveals and this chapter just having some time to see the crew interact with each other was greatly appreciated. The best part just being how each crew member reacted to Luffy's dream.
We are definitely ramping up to end game with seeing an entire country get destroyed by an unknown weapon/power, a much stronger reaction than what happened to Robin's home. Still interested to see where the crew ends up going, but for now along for the ride of just getting to the destination.
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Chapter was great, but honestly I'm getting a bit tired of these mysteries not getting solved, while getting new ones dropped on those that still need to be revealed. It was fun the first few times, but we are entering the final saga of the story, the endgame as it will be said, and we are still playing around mysteries not getting revealed in time. Whatever that dream is, it better be something really substantial and/or really funny for this mystery to be worth it all.
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Reaction montage stopped this chapter from being great. I did like the sequencing on the attack on Lulusia and Zoro putting the Alabasta bunch in their place. I can appreciate the non Alabasta part of the crew giving their input that isn't some forced reaction to a character they didn't get to experience on the same emotional level in comparison.
The Luffy reaction faces to Buggy and Zoro were good. "Woven-hat" technically means the same, but it took the greatness out of the moment where Chopper gets to shine as "Amigasa-Hat Chopper". It don't even feel right. I'm also not buying Luffy getting lifted away like that. He could have grabbed onto Sunny. If they go too far and don't return next chapter, this is lazy like Zoro being separated from Luffy in the beginning of Wano. Just tacky.
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Rereading the chapter, I wonder if whatever Im did, it was specifically possible in Lulusia and not in every other place Sabo might have been. The way the Elders react about Sabo's bad luck and fate makes me think that might be the case.
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I had to pause for a second when I read the chapter title. "No way is Oda going to reveal this now." And yeah, he didn't. But what we as fans always need to remember: even though we were already aware of this due to the line in chapter 1000, back then it was only hinted at - now it's finally spelled out directly: Luffy has a dream that's unrelated to becoming the Pirate King (aside from wanting to become Pirate King in order to achieve this dream). One final mystery for the ending of the story that we can look forward to.
I wonder if Caribou heard it.
And yes, the crew spending time together! I missed that. It's been too long.
Bonney showing up makes for an interesting development. I'm in the camp of thinking she's way older than she lets on because of her devil fruit... void century old. If so, I'm thinking she and Robin will get along well.
@andre said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
Rereading the chapter, I wonder if whatever Im did, it was specifically possible in Lulusia and not in every other place Sabo might have been. The way the Elders react about Sabo's bad luck and fate makes me think that might be the case.
Good idea! Maybe Imu can only "see" islands that are part of the World Government?
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10/10 chapter for me. I've complained about Oda keeping too many mysteries around recently as well, but Luffy's dream is not one that bothers me. It seems clear to me that it's directly related to the One Piece so I wouldn't even wanna know at this point. I think it's good that the crew now knows, and I'm happy to see all of their reactions which is gonna be fun to revisit once we actually know what it is. Imu's power or the power he/she/they has access to seems terrifying, Gently playing with butterflies right before commiting genocide, yeah I love Imu's vibe.
Only nitpick is Lulusia being in the New World, which we could already suspect from chapter 903, but I wish Oda would address the timeline of Ace's cover story (maybe also give us a rundown on where every major Grand Line Marine base is), so until then 9.5/10 I guess.
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Really good chapter!
Bonney!!!!!!!!! It's her time to shine.The Lulusia destruction sequence was great.
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Huh, I guess Sabo is gonna have a scar on the other side of his face when this is all over.
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Robin should have told Brook what happened in Arabasta 2 years ago. He thinks Arabasta has never suffered under misrule.
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@danie said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
Robin should have told Brook what happened in Arabasta 2 years ago. He thinks Arabasta has never suffered under misrule.
I'm not sure if rebellion fermented by outside forces counts as misrule.
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@sgamer82 Yeah, I was mostly taking a jab at Robin's part in that.
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2 things:
Bonney, that eddy where she was in was caused by an overheated event, implying that it could be the lulusia explosion, implying that Bonney was with Sabo. This could have been a side-effect of the explosion or a Last ditch effort by Sabo to save her. And if Bonney was with Sabo, we’ll learn a few things.Secondly Imu, that thing that fired the lasers, there’s a back and forward between Imu and It as if he were mentally controlling it in real time.
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I know this opinion doesn't really jive with a lot of what I'm reading here, but I have been, and still am immensely enjoying the past 5-10 chapters, Oda seems like he's genuinely excited for what he's drawing, unlike the last stretch of Onigashima, where you can easily tell that all he could care about is G5 and the rest is basically homework he has to deliver.
In this chapter, Luffy's dream for the future may not have been told explicitly to us*, but it is almost assuredly better than the OP world's current state, where entire countries are now getting wiped off from history in service of whatever dream or vision Im has for the world. It's interesting to me how one immediately follows the other, this has been a trend in the past few chapters, where certain scenes of Luffy are placed right before some of the darker or more off-beat characters in the world to compare and contrast how much they differ even when they are in similar positions.
Jewelry Bonney arrives at the perfect moment imo, Oda is rebuilding his story engine (since the Yonko saga is pretty much what drove the majority of post-skip OP, and it's.. done now), and given her Kuma connections plus being one of the more appealing Supernovas to me (I just can't bring myself to care about Urouge tbh, maybe Oda will change my mind like he did with Bege tho?).
- While I like the dream scene, I personally think it would be far better appreciated by physical readers, since the unseen moment where he talks about his dream is placed between two pages, essentially on the page flip, this is less than a millisecond for us digital readers, so the impact is just far less by definition, the anime will probably do better as well because of editing).
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While I think it's a fun novelty to redraw an older colour spread with the full crew (and that it came out great in this case) I hope it's not an idea Oda gets too attached to I want to keep seeing new settings and activities for this kind of art, not too many retreads. Oh, but speaking of past colour spreads - and this may be a reach - but does Jinbe's blue tricorn remind anyone of the 20th anniversary colour spread that he missed being a part of? He'd need a new kimono, but that hat would fit right in with what everyone else was wearing then.
Oda will likely never outright confirm that the crew is full. Debates over each island's new crew candidate drive way too much engagement for the series to ever fully give them up, but this chapter has me feeling stronger than ever that we're all done. Yamato was the last big tease and he came up short. We see the infamous barrel is occupied. There's the whole thing with Luffy's dream I'll talk about later. And then there's the colour spread. It wouldn't make sense to start redoing old spreads to update the crew in them if there was just going to be another recruit in a year or two. I also can't help noticing Chopper's shirt outlining him as "No 6." Debates have raged over whether Luffy saying in the first chapter he wanted a crew of ten included himself or not. Chopper is only number six if Luffy is number one, giving us a full ten as things are. No matter what is teased with the new arrival from the chapter's last page, I won't be convinced of any candidate until they're joining Jinbe on the spreads.
Most of this chapter has a great relaxed atmosphere with crew interactions during some well-deserved downtime. And it's rare to see the whole group discussing events from the paper so directly. All of the different reactions and opinions were a lot of fun.
I'm glad we get some clarification on the Revolutionary army's politics from Robin. Even if the answer is that they don't really have a political position as much as an anti-World Government one. I can respect aiming only for the head of the snake and ensuring focused progress by committing to a single target, but it does feel shortsighted of them to be so outraged about an attack on anyone other than a World Noble. There is plenty of evidence of regular monarchies abusing their power throughout One Piece's world, with a pertinent current plot thread being the common people rising up against their cruel rulers. What will the Revolutionaries do after unseating Imu and ousting the Celestial Dragons? Rest on their laurels, or move down the chain of authority and properly break apart the systems that enabled the world's Wapols and Sekis. How many King Cobras must the monarchy create to make one King Doflamingo worth looking the other way from? But I guess a lot of that is me bringing my own opinions into it.
I'm not sure who I support between Luffy and Zoro on the Vivi issue. I respect Luffy being so willing to put his adventure on hold for a friend rather than looking the other way (like a certain samurai did). There are things happening in the world that the crew's firepower could go a long way in ensuring a good outcome for. But Zoro is right that they wouldn't be any help in Alabasta and the odds would be against them at New Marineford. Without knowing exactly where they need to go and what actions would help, they could either get in a lot of trouble for nothing, or end up doing more harm than good.
There's also a likelihood that dropping everything to return to a nation they visited once at the first sign of trouble could expose the crew's friends to attacks and hostage situations to draw them in. Being too jumpy about this kind of thing exposes a weak point.
That said, I'm not sure how well the argument about Ace holds up, given how things were actually going for Ace at the time... But it's nice that Zoro has so much faith in Vivi's strength, even after so long apart.
Brook never hearing about issues with Alabasta's leadership is worth noting because he probably means from back before he died, giving the Nefeltaris a strong track record. You have to wonder if he actually knows about the civil war his crew got involved in there.
Oda is such a tease, having Robin mention other familiar names in the paper (I have to guess involved in events even us readers don't know of yet) and Luffy rejecting it all. I love Luffy, but he and I are very different. Give me more news if he doesn't want it. I wanna knooooooooow!
Luffy telling the crew his dream is a big moment, but there's not much to say about it. I'm not going to pretend I can Sherlock Holmes the right answer out of the crew's reactions and I think anyone claiming we do have enough information to solve it definitively is selling snake oil (or maybe their Youtube channel). But it's a nice scene, and I'm very interested to see what Oda eventually does with this plot point. And this happening now has big implications for the final crew - this hint could have been dropped at any time, but Oda saved it for after Jinbe was aboard. It's hard to imagine anyone new being added having not heard this (even if they might have found out vial other sources).
I'll be interested to what Oda does with Caribou after this. He mentioned not being able to hear very well, so he might conveniently have missed it to keep this a symbolic crew only thing. But maybe he'll leak Luffy's ultimate goal to the world, for better or worse...
It's surprising to me that the last Poneglyph is considered the one lost to time with no clues. You would think the one on Zou, in a hidden alcove that the allegedly-cannibalistic locals would guard on pain of death and show only to their closest allies, would be more of a mystery to the outside world. Roger wouldn't have blabbed about it, so odds are it hasn't been seen by anyone besides him and the pirate-mink-samurai-ninja alliance in even longer than this fourth one, the trail for which goes cold only 20-something years ago at Fishman Island.
Sabo's sequence is where things get really interesting. I have so many questions that I know I'll be waiting a long time for answers to. Is the World Government worried that info about Imu and the Empty Throne being overheard by the Marines' surveillance division and the Revolutionaries, or are they confident the propaganda they push will be enough to get it all dismissed as Revolutionary lies. Might be a bad play, given how their news manipulator, Morgans, has gone rogue.
I like the detail of Seki threatening impalements. He's got that vampire look, and we all know about the overlap between Vlad the Impaler and Dracula.
Seeing a whole island destroyed in an instant is pretty shocking, and marks a genuine escalation of One Piece's power scale. Where the likes of Dragon Ball went fast enough to have planet busters by volume 30, One Piece has done remarkably well sticking with the ceiling it set with Mihawk's introduction in basically year one. Abilities that could potentially destroy an island, not just depopulate its surface, have been few and far between, and have always seemed like it would still take the user significant time and effort to actually sink a whole landmass. It was, of course, inevitable that things would reach this point by the endgame, but it's still something else to see it actually happening.
I don't think Sabo is dead, and I'm skeptical that Oda would slay the number of characters confirmed to reside on Lulusia (six by the wiki's count) so casually. But how is he going to execute the escape? That explosion seems to go a decent way out to sea as well as covering the whole island. Interestingly, the island doesn't seem to have been targeted because of Sabo's presence. So are the other seven kingdoms also in a state of active revolt about to be nuked as well? Or perhaps they already have been.
The final scene is a cool bit of Grand Line chaos, the likes of which we haven't seen in a bit. And we get Jewelry Bonney! I'm looking forward to seeing what she has to share about the Reverie and the history of the world. This girl's had too many odd reactions to different things (Whitebeard's death and Kuma's enslavement) not to have some lore bombs to drop.
We're on a decently long run of great, exciting chapters here that really make it feel like the world is moving and the endgame is getting in gear. Can't wait to see what comes next as things continue ramping up!
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A small thing bothering me about 1060 is this:
Lulusia is being presented as a New World island. This feels like a mistake, it contradicts a lot about what we already knew about the island.
The first time we saw Lulusia was in Ace's cover story. Back then, Ace was in Paradise. Ace arrived at Lulusia seeking info about the Blackbeard, who was also in Paradise. It makes little sense for Ace to go all the way to the New World and back.
In chapter 904, Lulusia is stated to be in "Grand Line". Lindbergh says to Sabo, who is at Momoiro Island (the island of the Kamabakka Queendom) that "there's trouble nearby", because of Peachbeard pirates are invading Lulusia. So, Lulusia is close to Momoiro, which is Paradise.
It's true that, in the chapter before, Lulusia's princess was kidnapped by pirates that were in the New World (since they tried to also kidnap Viola). However, those same pirates had a submarine, which would explain how they quickly crossed the Red Line.
If Lulusia is in the New World, then Ace's adventure becomes needless complicated, and, worse, the proximity between Momoiro and Lulusia becomes a problem. It means that either the Revolutinaries crossed the Red Line to rendezvous with Sabo before the Reverie, or that Sanji was in the New World during the timeskip.
As such, Lulusia being noted as in the New World in 1060 is either a mistake or an oversight. Let's see if it gets corrected in Volume 105.
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@Deicide Good observation, I'll also be interested to see what comes of it.
Seems like the kind of thing that could get a hilariously hand-wavey but somehow canon SBS explanation along the lines of the ultra-buoyant wood if asked about in the right way.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
Oda will likely never outright confirm that the crew is full. Debates over each island's new crew candidate drive way too much engagement for the series to ever fully give them up, but this chapter has me feeling stronger than ever that we're all done. Yamato was the last big tease and he came up short.
Even then though:
Shanks knows Luffy's overall dream, and is his role model
Ace and Sabo know Luffy's overall dream, and are his brothers
Rayleigh presumably knows Luffy's overall dream because of what Shanks told him, and is his mentor
Zoro and the other Straw Hats know Luffy's overall dream, and are his crew
So again, why even have Yamato know Luffy's overall dream if she doesn't hold as much sentimental value for Luffy as those other people would? Or is Yamato knowing the dream in Chapter 1000 not that big of a deal in the first place?
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@electricmastro Yamato is significant to the story and obviously forged a bond with Luffy and his return for the final battle is going to be a big deal and an emotional reunion, but he's missed his shot at the crew.
I don't know what Yamato's future is or why Oda chose to initiate him on something so important (he wanted to mention the dream in chapter 1000 and Yamato was the only person who could possible have spoken to someone who really knew), but I do feel confident in my impression of the crew being finalised here. Even if after his return Yamato gets to fight alongside them on the Sunny in the final battle alongside other returning honourary crewmates, we know that's going to feel like a different thing to the members who got to chill with the whole party while sailing between arcs and had years to forge relationships with each other and place themselves in the larger crew dynamic.
Depending on how things are handled in the future, I might be willing to call him being initiated into the"Luffy's Dream" club a misstep, a cheap way to quickly put emotional hooks in a character introduced very, very late in the game at a point where there isn't time to connect them to the larger cast organically. But it would be jumping the gun to say something like that this soon.
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I don't really get any complaints about this chapter, it's not like the mystery dream thing is new, it's been an established thing and is obviously being saved for ~Laugh Tale. It's annoying to have to wait so long for mysteries to be solved, but I had zero expectation for anything to be resolved right now. Likewise, Im has already been established as a spooky end-game villain, now we know he's capable of destroying islands, prolly via Uranus which is apparently shaped like a straw hat, whatever that implies.
Nice to see Straw Hat interactions on the ship still going. And not completely dumbed down to their quirks, they're actually discussing things instead of having token lines. Curious to see where the Bonney thing goes, hoping we're being led to Vegapunk next.
R.I.P. Princess Komane you were a wild one
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
@electricmastro Yamato is significant to the story and obviously forged a bond with Luffy and his return for the final battle is going to be a big deal and an emotional reunion, but he's missed his shot at the crew.
I don't know what Yamato's future is or why Oda chose to initiate him on something so important (he wanted to mention the dream in chapter 1000 and Yamato was the only person who could possible have spoken to someone who really knew), but I do feel confident in my impression of the crew being finalised here. Even if after his return Yamato gets to fight alongside them on the Sunny in the final battle alongside other returning honourary crewmates, we know that's going to feel like a different thing to the members who got to chill with the whole party while sailing between arcs and had years to forge relationships with each other and place themselves in the larger crew dynamic.
Depending on how things are handled in the future, I might be willing to call him being initiated into the"Luffy's Dream" club a misstep, a cheap way to quickly put emotional hooks in a character introduced very, very late in the game at a point where there isn't time to connect them to the larger cast organically. But it would be jumping the gun to say something like that this soon.
Well, let's see it like this. If we say One Piece does end 3 years after Wano, and Chapter 1058 was in August 2022, that would mean that One Piece ends in August 2025. If Yamato joins up a year before Laugh Tale, as if to parallel Oden joining Roger a year before Laugh Tale, then that could mean that Yamato joins in August 2023, gets to Laugh Tale in August 2024, and the has at least one whole year for the final battle until August 2025. Could that give some satisfying panel time for Yamato?
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
I'm glad we get some clarification on the Revolutionary army's politics from Robin. Even if the answer is that they don't really have a political position as much as an anti-World Government one. I can respect aiming only for the head of the snake and ensuring focused progress by committing to a single target, but it does feel shortsighted of them to be so outraged about an attack on anyone other than a World Noble. There is plenty of evidence of regular monarchies abusing their power throughout One Piece's world, with a pertinent current plot thread being the common people rising up against their cruel rulers. What will the Revolutionaries do after unseating Imu and ousting the Celestial Dragons? Rest on their laurels, or move down the chain of authority and properly break apart the systems that enabled the world's Wapols and Sekis. How many King Cobras must the monarchy create to make one King Doflamingo worth looking the other way from? But I guess a lot of that is me bringing my own opinions into it.
While it's been established that the Revolutionaries are fighting againt the Celestial Dragons instead of being universally anti-monarchy, we can't overlook the fact that they've already supported many coup d'etat against regular kings. This recent rebellion of the 8 kingdoms is an example of that, but it goes back to Vira, etc. My conclusion is that the Revs are against any unfair tyrant who oppress their own people, the biggest one of them all being the current WG ruled by the Celestial Dragons.
The problem here is that One Piece as a series doesn't have a political opinion on structures of State, forms of government and political legitimacy, so it doesn't care whether a country is a monarchy or a republic or whatever. One Piece only gives a political opinion about what are the virtues a ruler must have, and what policies are fair to the people. It's good ruler vs bad ruler.
This philosophical limitation of the series ends up poorly affecting the Revolutionaries from a critical point of view, since it sounds illogical that revolutionaries are not anti-monarchy. However, their impartiality makes sense inside the context of One Piece, since the series spent a thousand chapters praising kings like Cobra, Riku, Momo, etc, who are meant to be seen positively by the readers. Therefore, if the Revolutionaries were against these good kings as a default of their agenda, they'd be accidentally antagonistic or intellectually misguided, since they'd be fated to be wrong at the end.
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Could that give some satisfying panel time for Yamato?
For me, no. Not for a full crewmate. You can make a likable side character in that kind of time (and I'm sure whatever icy arc is being set up now will have a few popular ones) and give them fun one-off interactions with the existing crew, maybe actual relationships with or two they have particular chemistry with, but it's not a substitute for the multiple real-world years the crew have had to go through adventures and struggles together. Fun one-off interactions aren't the same thing as an actual dynamic impressed through long-term repetition and developed over time.
Even Jinbe struggles a little on that front, and Oda's done a lot of legwork to build up both the crew and the readers' emotional investment in him finally getting aboard. Aside from Luffy, none of his one on one relationships stand out as much as his relationship with the crew as a whole - him either laughing along with the banter or having too much faith in someone about to do something stupid. I feel like he's got a nice "team mum and dad" thing building with Robin, as the two most mature party members, but there's still a lot of interactions left to see.
And let's remember, Yamato's already had more than two years to establish himself and build relationships. The desire for adventure, strong will and connection with Ace make him a kindred spirit with Luffy, that's undeniable, but he barely even crossed paths with with anyone else after that. He and Franky traded opponents on the fly early in the battle, but they didn't really stop to talk. We the perv group of the crew's reaction to Yamato wanting to join, but don't really learn how Yamato feels about them or see any of them interact one on one. Zoro cautions him about Momo's feelings, but it's a fairly straight two line exchange. The set of reactions when he declares that he's joining is the most setting up of dynamics we ever get, and it's a single panel.
I feel like I'm going to bring down hell on myself just for mentioning the name, but honestly Whole Cake Island gave Carrot a better foundation for crewmate relationships than Wano did for Yamato. She scrapped with Luffy over food, proving fierce enough to actually catch him a little off guard, imprinted on Chopper as a big brother figure, and had a cute, bubbly twinsies thing going with Nami, and she tried to console Sanji and ended up needing to be consoled by him over Pedro's death in a quite somber scene. She genuinely got a lot of unique one on one interactions, and if Oda had chosen to keep building on these and putting her in situations with the half of the crew not present in that arc through Wano, she might have had enough time to feel like she had a real shot. But she was sidelined almost immediately instead, making it obvious such a thing was never in Oda's plans. She ends a particularly memorable Whole Cake Island Saga side character who got some Wano cameos.
I'm not saying it couldn't be done, if Oda set his mind to it, making Yamato feel like a full fledged main character in such a short amount of time while also keeping the final saga and end battles moving at a decent pace and giving everyone else their moments, but the last two years haven't indicated me that he's even interested in doing so. And personally, I'd rather see Jinbe's relationships deepened than I would new ones being formed with Yamato.
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@theackwardstation Very well said. While it dabbles in liberty and even anarchism, One Piece's politics are ultimately super individualistic. No matter what class of society you look at, there are good people, who Luffy is or would be friends with, and bad people, who he can't stand. It's a Luffy-centric political morality more than anything else.
My stance is obviously that rather than spending the rest of eternity finding and ousting the bad kings like whack a mole, the system that enables them should be changed to one with more safeguards. But in real terms, altering an entrenched system by which everyone has already built their lives is much more daunting and complicated than simply pruning individual abusers. It's a simplification, but One Piece's target audience is young adults and the target genre is definitely not 'political manifesto' so sometimes you just have to accept this kind of pared down approach.
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Great chapter, loved it!
Way back when we met Rayleigh, I went back to chapter 1 trying to figure out what Luffy could have said that would have been exactly like Roger. None of it made sense to me with the information given. Roger saying anything like what Luffy did in Chapter 1 was just silly. As time went on it was clear these mystery words were said off panel during Shanks' extended stay at the village. Seeing Luffy talk about it now with the whole crew is so cute. Nami's reactions is so sweet and wholesome and I feel like Chopper's reaction with hers are the most telling. I'm in any hurry to learn what it is and I absolutely love that it keeps discussion going like this.
The way Luffy describes the reaction from Shanks I wonder if the tears came from sadness.
Seeing the crew just lounge around together is always nice. I wonder and hope that this endgame stuff that Oda had planned all along is mainly Straw Hat antics and less of 39 other side characters tagging along. I mean side characters will be there but I am not in the mood for another giant war until the very very end. I can envision great scenarios with some big names that won't requite 80 billion allies vs 80 billion enemies.
Vegapunk is coming soon I can feel it! Bonnie, Kuma, scary children Pacifistas and some location called Egghead. Egghead has to be location named after Vegapunk or a conveniently named place he resides at.
And yeah an Island obliterating weapon? That's gotta be Uranus right? Did they always have it? Is this one of the taboo things Doflamingo knows about and maybe wanted to control with the mind/heart swap? If this is an Ancient weapon did the government have it all this time or was it recently resurfaced and/or built?
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I so believe that shadow is Uranus. Why was the World Government was so hellbent about getting Pluton when they have that weapon? They could use it to blow up pirates or some islands such as Ohara, Whole Cake Island, Pirate Island, Amazon Lily or whatever.
I believe however it's a national treasure Doflamingo was talking about.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
And let's remember, Yamato's already had more than two years to establish himself and build relationships. The desire for adventure, strong will and connection with Ace make him a kindred spirit with Luffy, that's undeniable, but he barely even crossed paths with with anyone else after that. He and Franky traded opponents on the fly early in the battle, but they didn't really stop to talk. We the perv group of the crew's reaction to Yamato wanting to join, but don't really learn how Yamato feels about them or see any of them interact one on one. Zoro cautions him about Momo's feelings, but it's a fairly straight two line exchange. The set of reactions when he declares that he's joining is the most setting up of dynamics we ever get, and it's a single panel.
Well yeah, Momo is being built up as the "Shanks figure" in Yamato's life after all, so as to give Yamato someone to bond with and gain greater purpose from beyond being a free Oden wannabe at sea. Of course Oda would focus on Yamato's interactions with Momo for that, before he finally succeeds in encouraging her to finally sail out and embrace her freedom to the fullest, like Momo was saying.
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Im destroying that island just made me think of Eneru striking the Upper Yard. Man I miss Skypiea.
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For all that I'm annoyed by Oda drawing this out, my wife upon reader the chapter felt like it was a new thing and I had to remind her of all the times its come up before including the Yamato one just a year ago.
It's really easy to forget that we know the nuances like crazy but more casual fans just don't.
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Enjoyable chapter. I love that we finally got confirmation Caribou got his ride. The goof deserved it and happy to cross one more person off the list to wonder where they went after Wano. The crew discussion about Vivi was just the right type of feel I've missed. Luffy's dream moment felt a little forced but eh, it'll be a cute anime moment I'm sure. As far as which poneglyph is the most lost; I do like to believe some renegade minks that left home at some point would've either let out rumors either to their new loyalties or just accidentally on a bad drinking night. Meanwhile there's absolutely nothing to go off on the missing Fishman island poneglyph, since not even the Neptune or Jinbei had any knowledge about who could've snatched it.
I've seen some people have issue with why the government/Im would keep such a powerful weapon secret or what the downsides to this must be. Personally, I'm already good with what we see here and basic assumptions. Using such a powerful weapon publicly and regularly would drastically change the world order into something completely different and filled with fear and stagnation. Obviously if Im wasn't using it regularly, that means that type of world isn't what they want. They want the world as it already has been, thus this weapon is absolutely reserved for only the most drastic situations (to hide their own identity in this case) and in ways that can still keep it a secret (so the world can actually function outside of being terrified of this threat). But that's just my personal rationalization, will have to wait and see if Oda elaborates.
I don't think the writing of the situation works if one reads it as Lulusia was the target and Sabo was just coincidence. Narratively it needs to be that Sabo was the target and this attack can really be mobilized this fast. It helps give Im some cred a lot better than Blackbeard got for basically failing to raid Hancock.
I look forward to Bonney age changing shenanigans and I desperately hope Luffy and Chopper aren't about to be separated with Bonney for awhile.
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@electricmastro Well hold on, I wasn't talking about Yamato building more of a relationship with Momo than the crew (though that is a factor, and if anything Yamato was the mentor in the relationship, being the actual 28-year-old who was physically protecting Momo and giving the pep talks and guidance when he started to doubt himself.) The only reason Momo's name was mentioned at all was because the only real dialogue between Zoro and Yamato was concerning him. Regardless of who else Yamato interacted with, I didn't see enough with the actual crew to be convinced he has a place among them.
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Since Uranus was over 800 years could have blown Laugh Tale up back then but it didn't. Since it can fly, they don't bother to send it to the end of the Grand Line find and destroy it.
So if Laugh Tale and Lodestar was easy to reach back then, what happened that cause the area around Lodestar and Laugh Tale to be inaccessible?
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@joekido-the-Second said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
I believe however it's a national treasure Doflamingo was talking about.
I think that Doflamingo was talking about more than this. These people have had at least 800 years amassing all the power and secrets in this world. They have been creating and destroying and distorting knowledge and history. The have great control over the world and whenever they don’t like something, they go and make it disappear—————-> Now this part is a bit confusing cause they allowed the pirate age to be created and to prosper. They allowed pirates like Big Mom and Kaido to reign unopposed over their own territories, why that is, I don’t know. Maybe they’re playing a balancing act where they want most people to think of them as benevolent and the good guys and you need some bad guys around to scare people?. Or maybe they don’t want people to know that they have this type of power because they might revolt?. They were talking about some type of culling they do every few hundred years or so so they’re not shy on using their great power. But still the whole thing on when they use their power or not is confusing.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
@electricmastro Well hold on, I wasn't talking about Yamato building more of a relationship with Momo than the crew (though that is a factor, and if anything Yamato was the mentor in the relationship, being the actual 28-year-old who was physically protecting Momo and giving the pep talks and guidance when he started to doubt himself.) The only reason Momo's name was mentioned at all was because the only real dialogue between Zoro and Yamato was concerning him. Regardless of who else Yamato interacted with, I didn't see enough with the actual crew to be convinced he has a place among them.
Well it's not just mentor. Kuina wasn't Zoro's mentor, but they still shared the interest in being the greatest swordsman, which is what helped inspire Zoro to leave his dojo with greater purpose and setting it out to accomplish it alongside Luffy given the number of fighters he could potentially come across.
It's totally fair if you feel you didn't see enough between Yamato and the crew though. I admit I wasn't the biggest fan of doing things like this, but when I consider Yamato didn't seem to bond with Oden or share a grander interest with Ace or Ushimaru, then I can totally see it making the most sense in why Oda had things play out this way. No doubt that Momo's pride is what would cause some growth for the characters as well since Yamato basically lied to him about why she stayed too.
It's fine if you don't want to believe me on this. I believe Momo at best will serve as the catalyst for Yamato to later leave instead of be an obstacle, and welcome her with open arms even if she hadn't been with the crew as long as Brook or Jinbe have. Because the alternative might be for me to believe that Yamato's narrative was meant to waste our time so that Oda can make himself look smarter, which I myself refuse to believe.
I dunno, I just can't help but piece things like this together after all that has happened, regardless if people think Yamato will just appear in the last 10 chapters and such.
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@Marcotty said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
I've seen some people have issue with why the government/Im would keep such a powerful weapon secret or what the downsides to this must be. Personally, I'm already good with what we see here and basic assumptions. Using such a powerful weapon publicly and regularly would drastically change the world order into something completely different and filled with fear and stagnation. Obviously if Im wasn't using it regularly, that means that type of world isn't what they want. They want the world as it already has been, thus this weapon is absolutely reserved for only the most drastic situations (to hide their own identity in this case) and in ways that can still keep it a secret (so the world can actually function outside of being terrified of this threat). But that's just my personal rationalization, will have to wait and see if Oda elaborates.
Something I considered when thinking about this is that the WG needs there to be people, so they can't just use this weapon to obliterate everywhere that opposition forms. The Celestial Dragons are pampered brats that don't have any life skills of their own. They rely on slaves and money to get what they want or need. Less civilians means less people who can cook, build, pay tribute to the CDs, etc. Similar to the concern Jack had about Kaido drunkenly destroying Kuri.
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Presumably Im keeps the Doom Laser/Uranus in his back pocket and only breaks it out for things that need to stop existing right fucking now, for regular uppity islands they just get a buster call.
I wonder how much of an effect Sabo announcing that someone was sitting on the supposedly empty throne across a radio signal getting picked up by common Marines had on the decision to obliterate that kingdom.
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Noticed that Oda included the Sunny's reaction to luffy's dream as well, indicating he considers it as much a member of the crew as Merry was. Definitely fills the 10-crewmates quota
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@Sirxxx said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
Noticed that Oda included the Sunny's reaction to luffy's dream as well, indicating he considers it as much a member of the crew as Merry was. Definitely fills the 10-crewmates quota
If you'll go that far, then you might as well say Zeus is a crewmate. lol
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@electricmastro Yeah, I'm really just not seeing what you're seeing in Yamato's story.
What I will object to is calling his screentime a waste of time just because he didn't join. Yes, definitely, Oda went too hard on the misdirect and should have made his choice to delay his dreams to do right by Wano and Momo an arc rather than a twist ending, but he was still a fun side character for the time he was around. Even as someone who has always been Yamato-critical to one degree or another, his being an ally to Luffy, his fight with Kaido, his supporting Momo as he finds his courage during the fight, and his use to introduce lore aspects like Oden's journal and the ogre race are all worthy story and character beats that exist outside the big misdirect.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream:
@electricmastro Yeah, I'm really just not seeing what you're seeing in Yamato's story.
What I will object to is calling his screentime a waste of time just because he didn't join. Yes, definitely, Oda went too hard on the misdirect and should have made his choice to delay his dreams to do right by Wano and Momo an arc rather than a twist ending, but he was still a fun side character for the time he was around. Even as someone who has always been Yamato-critical to one degree or another, his being an ally to Luffy, his fight with Kaido, his supporting Momo as he finds his courage during the fight, and his use to introduce lore aspects like Oden's journal and the ogre race are all worthy story and character beats that exist outside the big misdirect.
Well, in any case, I'm interested in seeing where Yamato's place in the story will be by August 2023. After it has become apparent Oda let Yamato know Luffy's dream before telling his crew, I figure Yamato will appear at least one more time.
If by then Yamato has truly given up on Oden, the freedom to sail, and adventuring in favor of being genuinely happy of doing Wano guard duty, and isn't suppressing her ambitions or happiness, then I'll have no concern in accepting that by then and leave it at that.