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    • Daz
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      After more than four years and almost 150 chapters the Wano arc has finally concluded, as well as the larger “Big Mom/Kaidou” saga, spanning plotlines as far back as Fishman Island and Punk Hazard. Simultaneously, the forums were absent for a good while during this period of resolution. In short, theres a lot to look back on and discuss, and while we have “general Wano“ discussion for Macro arc takes, I thought it’d be interesting to have threads dedicated wholly to particular plotthreads or characters.

      Formally introduced in the Zou arc, the Minks surprised readers by revealing themselves far more involved in the overarching Wano plotline than anyone expected. Carrot obviously went on to get a good deal of spotlight in the Whole cake arc, but her fellow minks also went on to join the battle against Kaidou in force during Wano, where Dogstorm and Catviper also were important supporting characters. The literal home of the Minks even showed up briefly for the grand finale. How do you feel about the handling and integration of the Minks in the Wano arc, both in terms of specific characters and the race as a whole?

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        I really like the minks and Zou, but their payoff in Wano was very disappointing. One could argue they were still relevant since the Dukes took down Jack and Perospero, two of the strongest antagonist, but even these two fights were super lackluster and offscreened. And it's sad how only the Dukes got any decent screentime. I believe everyone was hyped to see all the mink tribe in Sulong form ever since it was foreshadowed, but it amounted to nothing, nothing at all.

        Still, I look forward to their collaboration in the future, especially because of Zunesha, but it's weird how they don't feel important at the moment as a future allied nation, didn't even get a personal goodbye. Better not even mention Carrot.

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          @theackwardstation said in Post-Wano plotline roundup: The Minks:

          I really like the minks and Zou, but their payoff in Wano was very disappointing. One could argue they were still relevant since the Dukes took down Jack and Perospero, two of the strongest antagonist, but even these two fights were super lackluster and offscreened. And it's sad how only the Dukes got any decent screentime. I believe everyone was hyped to see all the mink tribe in Sulong form ever since it was foreshadowed, but it amounted to nothing, nothing at all.

          Still, I look forward to their collaboration in the future, especially because of Zunesha, but it's weird how they don't feel important at the moment as a future allied nation, didn't even get a personal goodbye. Better no even mention Carrot.

          This pretty much! I don't mind that Carrot didn't join (or maybe she does, who knows?) but at least she deserved a proper conclusion to everything. She has been in the story longer than Yamato even, and Yamato got a conclusion (as poor as that one was as well), yet Carrot did not....

          I can only hope the anime will fix this shortcoming, so we can move on.

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            I already said why I found that Carrot got done dirty by the Inu and Neko in the Next Crewmate thread so I'm not gonna repeat that. What I'm gonna about her however is that she completely got done dirty against Perospero. We already went the extra mile of having Wanda build a tag team with her because apparently in a one on one even with Sulong she wouldn't be able to defeat Perospero. I don't mind the team up as I also think that he's out of her league. But having her lose even though she's teaming up with her senpai for the lack of a better word, just feels wrong. If there's any character that had dibs on Perospero, it's Carrot. But even with several power ups she lost. What adds insult to injury is that the fight got offscreened. Ok, I understand it Perospero is stronger and then the clouds undid Sulong. But at least give us something to see, if the girls were actually doing a good job. What we got is total lackluster and Carrot definitely deserved better.

            About Inu and Neko. I really don't like that Nekomamushi got to deal with Perospero. Not just because of the Carrot and Wanda thing. But because it just came out of nowhere. Yes, Pedro was one of Neko's men. But as one of the Samurai Neko had completely different priorities in Wano. Also considering the events that transpired in Zou, the situation with Jack was hundreds of chapters in the making. Ok, the Sulong Inu and Neko team take care off Jack but that dude comes back anyways. So why not stay together and have both of them take him down for good? Also from a pure logic perspective it's a bit iffy. The fact that Jack came back meant that the duo only won the first round but not the fight. So suddenly making this a one on one strikes me as a bad strategic move.

            I find a 2 v 1 would have worked better. Especially with the full moon being blocked, seeing it that back at Zou non-Sulong Inu and Neko could keep Jack at bay one on one for several days. Could have made for a nice dynamic for them to not give up even though there's no full moon as long as they fight together. There could have also been some nice bro's bonding talk along the lines of Inu saying "I'll be your arm" and Neko saying "I'll be your leg" in reference to the lost limbs. But what do I know, Oda wanted a kickass double takedown with the full moon thing so yadda-yadda-yadda GODA awesome!

            About Inu. Not much to add other than what was I said in the previous paragraph. The only difference being that he at least took the one down that was reserved for the Duke's. But I still would have preferred it, if it was a team effort. Other than that not much else to say about him. I'll see what everyone else has to see. Perhaps, I'll get some inspirations then.

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              I might elaborate more in a few days, but to keep it short, the Minks were Just kinda sad

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                I'm still salty that we didn't see Bepo go sulong mode. I guess like so many other things that could or should have happened in the Wano arc, Oda decided to do it in another arc(I hope).

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                  A team effort between Dogstorm and Catviper againist Jack would be a indicative sign that they've further settled any bad blood between themselves.

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                    @Galleon-Panthera said in Post-Wano plotline roundup: The Minks:

                    @theackwardstation said in Post-Wano plotline roundup: The Minks:

                    I really like the minks and Zou, but their payoff in Wano was very disappointing. One could argue they were still relevant since the Dukes took down Jack and Perospero, two of the strongest antagonist, but even these two fights were super lackluster and offscreened. And it's sad how only the Dukes got any decent screentime. I believe everyone was hyped to see all the mink tribe in Sulong form ever since it was foreshadowed, but it amounted to nothing, nothing at all.

                    Still, I look forward to their collaboration in the future, especially because of Zunesha, but it's weird how they don't feel important at the moment as a future allied nation, didn't even get a personal goodbye. Better no even mention Carrot.

                    She has been in the story longer than Yamato even, and Yamato got a conclusion (as poor as that one was as well), yet Carrot did not....

                    A this point, more panel time prob isn't what matters the most when it comes to characters being entitled to certain things, but simply it just being a matter of taking the time to focus on it. You say that Yamato got a conclusion, but really though, I think it was really just a conclusion for Momo with Yamato and Kinemon happening to be there. Even Inu and Neko said what they said to Carrot and Wanda so that they could support Momo in Oden's homeland

                    So it's apparent that pretty much Chapters 1050-1057 are mainly dedicated to Momo, even at the cost of giving less focus to everyone else where it would have been appreciated.

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                      I think the Minks were served very poorly in general in Wano, feeling like an obligation that needed to be adressed after the setup-bonanza that was the Zou arc. It really didn't feel like an entire nations worth of animal fighters showed up to fight in Onagashima, something the handling of Zunesha also reflects - the literal living home of the Minks shows up at the climax of the battle, solely to exposit...and then leaves. Doesn't even wait around till after the war to pick up the fighters who're left to trek home by themselves I guess.

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                        Honestly, even Whole Cake doesn’t really feel like that good of a spotlight for Carrot. I just don’t feel like she has a bigger purpose alongside the Straw Hats or much of anything else in general given how disconnected she felt from the bigger picture in service of just trying to get revenge for Pedro. I do look forward how their role will play with the Kozukis and the Dawn though.

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                          Most of the minks spent the majority of Wano being literally the floor. Seriously, Jack beat them so bad that he was dragging them on his feet at one point. Sure, someone on the scabbard's side had to lose in this raid, but they got it the worst.

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                            The minks as a group were highly forgettable. The only ones to matter were the dukes. But even then somehow instead of both taking on Jack to avenge their island one of them wasted time on Perospero.

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                              After formulating my thoughts on the scabbards in that thread, it made me think about what I thought about Perospero's fight in this arc. This seems like the appropriate thread to talk about it.

                              I have to say that one thing that has quite annoyed me during that phase of the arc was the sentiment by quite a few of the posters here that the Minks were being unreasonable assholes for "bullying" poor Perospero like that, since he didn't actually kill Pedro, the dude chose to take his own life. I just have to call bullshit on that for two reasons.

                              Warning, little rant incoming:

                              First of all, the only reason Pedro, Carrot or any of the Strawhats were in Big Mom's territory in the first place was because the Big Mom pirates basically kidnapped Sanji by blackmailing him AND were going to murder him in cold-blood. Everything that followed was in response to their actions. They were the aggressors and do not get to play the victim card because those meanie Strawhats attacked them.

                              Secondly and more importantly, the only reason Pedro sacrificed his life was because Perospero was about to murder Chopper and Brook. If a sadistic killer is about to execute your friends and you die trying to save them, then yeah, said killer absolutely gets the blame for your death. And of course your loved ones would be justified to hate the killer's guts, as he is the one that put you in a situation where it was either you or your friends.

                              All of that said, Perospero felt shoe-horned into the arc and his fight was incredibly lackluster. It made no sense for him to go to Onigashima alone and it was disappointing to have all these members of Big Mom's family with untapped potential, like Daifuku, Mont-D'or and most of all Smoothie, just waiting at the coast while the one character we already got a lot of in WCI got to play a part in the raid. Fine, including Perospero in the action to close of some hanging plot threads from the last arc could have worked, but then it at least needs to be emotionally satisfying and it was not.

                              As others have said, this fight belonged to Carrot, not Nekomamushi. I can understand why he would be angry at Perospero, but the characters had never met before and it was just weird to see him go off to have revenge for Pedro in the middle of the raid. And their ensuing "fight" barely deserves to be called a fight. Meanwhile, Carrot got absolutely nothing else in return, which has to be the worst treatment of a secondary character since Rebecca. Heck, it's actually worse. While Rebecca, after all her buildup of wanting to protect the Toy Soldier, ended up a completely useless damsel in distress who couldn't accomplish anything and constantly needed saving, she at least got a proper emotional conclusion at the end of the arc. All that stuff where Luffy helps her reconcile with her dad was actually touching and an appropriate ending for both characters. Carrot meanwhile got completely side-lined the whole arc and didn't even get to say goodbye to the Strawhats! That's just bad!

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                                It's not so much that the candy rapist doesn't deserve a beating, as it is just funny that they violently beat the guy for the one thing he didn't really do.

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                                  Point of clarification, but the only reason Sanji got roped in was because Judge (whom the heroes later go out of their way to save) insisted. Which is kind of a funny thought; if you make Judge a tiny bit less of a spiteful dick the WCI arc doesn’t happen, and the only thing that changes is the world being short a few Vinsmokes

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                                    @Riddler said in Post-Wano plotline roundup: The Minks:

                                    After formulating my thoughts on the scabbards in that thread, it made me think about what I thought about Perospero's fight in this arc. This seems like the appropriate thread to talk about it.

                                    I have to say that one thing that has quite annoyed me during that phase of the arc was the sentiment by quite a few of the posters here that the Minks were being unreasonable assholes for "bullying" poor Perospero like that, since he didn't actually kill Pedro, the dude chose to take his own life. I just have to call bullshit on that for two reasons.

                                    Warning, little rant incoming:

                                    First of all, the only reason Pedro, Carrot or any of the Strawhats were in Big Mom's territory in the first place was because the Big Mom pirates basically kidnapped Sanji by blackmailing him AND were going to murder him in cold-blood. Everything that followed was in response to their actions. They were the aggressors and do not get to play the victim card because those meanie Strawhats attacked them.

                                    Secondly and more importantly, the only reason Pedro sacrificed his life was because Perospero was about to murder Chopper and Brook. If a sadistic killer is about to execute your friends and you die trying to save them, then yeah, said killer absolutely gets the blame for your death. And of course your loved ones would be justified to hate the killer's guts, as he is the one that put you in a situation where it was either you or your friends.

                                    All of that said, Perospero felt shoe-horned into the arc and his fight was incredibly lackluster. It made no sense for him to go to Onigashima alone and it was disappointing to have all these members of Big Mom's family with untapped potential, like Daifuku, Mont-D'or and most of all Smoothie, just waiting at the coast while the one character we already got a lot of in WCI got to play a part in the raid. Fine, including Perospero in the action to close of some hanging plot threads from the last arc could have worked, but then it at least needs to be emotionally satisfying and it was not.

                                    As others have said, this fight belonged to Carrot, not Nekomamushi. I can understand why he would be angry at Perospero, but the characters had never met before and it was just weird to see him go off to have revenge for Pedro in the middle of the raid. And their ensuing "fight" barely deserves to be called a fight. Meanwhile, Carrot got absolutely nothing else in return, which has to be the worst treatment of a secondary character since Rebecca. Heck, it's actually worse. While Rebecca, after all her buildup of wanting to protect the Toy Soldier, ended up a completely useless damsel in distress who couldn't accomplish anything and constantly needed saving, she at least got a proper emotional conclusion at the end of the arc. All that stuff where Luffy helps her reconcile with her dad was actually touching and an appropriate ending for both characters. Carrot meanwhile got completely side-lined the whole arc and didn't even get to say goodbye to the Strawhats! That's just bad!

                                    Carrot wanted Perospero defeated and got exactly that in the form of Nekomamuahi helping out, so I’m not really sure how Carrot got nothing out of it since her desire was accomplished. One just has to figure that Carrot said goodbye to them offscreen since a big deal was made out of Momo and Kinemon not being said goodbye to while everyone else was, and would have to be perfectly happy helping at Zou since she’s not with them right now. I’d doubt the Straw Hats would want her forced to do something she doesn’t want to either.

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                                      I just realized I completely forgot what caused the beef between Dogking and Catking, and what caused them to settle said beef

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                                        Funnily I just aked myself something similar these days when I watched the new German episodes, covering the Oden flashback. Sure, they did bicker quite a bit, but nothing substantial at all.

                                        Wasn't it implied (or explicitly said?) that Shanks did play some role in it? However, there just wasn't anything at all in that flashback justifying any bigger beef. Maybe this is another one of these things we as readers cannot know yet because of the bigger picture? My best guess is they later encountered Shanks and had a talk involving Laugh Tale - which ~somehow~ led to that beef.

                                        Forum user Bartholemew Bear passed away in a very moving and touching way. I, ARTEMlS, therefore carry on the Will of DArth for good unto its final fulfilment.

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                                          @Daz said in Post-Wano plotline roundup: The Minks:

                                          I just realized I completely forgot what caused the beef between Dogking and Catking, and what caused them to settle said beef

                                          I think Inu blame Neko for antagonizing Orochi during the execution and getting Oden killed. And for Neko there's a flimsy thing about him saying maybe Inu was the spy. But its probably better to focus on them being angry about if Neko teasing Orochi caused the death of their lord. Its in 973

                                          They squashed their beef because they got a new lord and a new chance to prove themselves as protectors by helping Oden's legacy survive.

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                                            Ah yes, that was in today's episode. I somehow forgot that the flashback wasn't yet over.

                                            Forum user Bartholemew Bear passed away in a very moving and touching way. I, ARTEMlS, therefore carry on the Will of DArth for good unto its final fulfilment.

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                                              @wolfwood said in Post-Wano plotline roundup: The Minks:

                                              It's not so much that the candy rapist doesn't deserve a beating, as it is just funny that they violently beat the guy for the one thing he didn't really do.

                                              I mean, part of my point was that he is in fact to blame for Pedro's death. Pedro sacrificed himself only to save Chopper's and Brook's lives, who were about to be killed by Perospero. He is the one who created a situation where the only choice was between letting your friends die or dying yourself. Maybe outright calling him "Pedro's killer" technically isn't correct, but their anger at him isn't misplaced at all.

                                              @Daz said in Post-Wano plotline roundup: The Minks:

                                              Point of clarification, but the only reason Sanji got roped in was because Judge (whom the heroes later go out of their way to save) insisted. Which is kind of a funny thought; if you make Judge a tiny bit less of a spiteful dick the WCI arc doesn’t happen, and the only thing that changes is the world being short a few Vinsmokes

                                              All true, but Judge carrying a lot of the blame for Sanji's abduction doesn't absolve the Big Mom pirates of their involvement. Not to mention that murdering Sanji in cold-blood at their wedding was all Big Mom's plan.

                                              And the Vinsmokes, especially Judge, would have totally deserved to die at the Tea Party for all their crimes. Sanji didn't save their lives because they were sympathetic and/or deserved to be saved, he saved them despite the fact that they didn't deserve his help, just like he feeds hungry people even if they are irredeemable pieces of shit like Don Krieg and helping them will only cause trouble.

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                                                Come to think of it, if a big deal will be made out of someone invading Wano again, then I’d suppose that provides a good basis for suspecting that Zou might be invaded again, since it also has a Road Poneglyph and that it to isn’t Government-protected, for as much as Neko and Inu were made fun of their decision being a completely bad one, I can still understand what they’d still be concerned about Zou’s future, and may have partially fueled their reasoning for encouraging Carrot to stay and help.

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