I think there is a decent chance that Sabo finds Luffy's ship w/ Vivi and they meet up. 159 is the chapter where Luffy met up with Ace, and 1059 could be the chapter where Luffy and Sabo meet back up. We know Oda likes his number games. I think something is coming like Sabo showing(or something else) to focus the story on something else and get those Wano crumbs off of you.
Chapter 1058: New Emperors
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@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas Err come one. Look how much shit Buggy got for stupidly becoming an emperor....If he somehow became the king of the pirates, Oda would have to actually have him killed to make up for it...
Nah, it's still possible if you look at how in Dragonball Mr. Satan is considered to be the one to have defeated Cell by the general public. The readers know the truth. But the main cast doesn't really care much about the public perseption and more about the dealing with the crisis at hand. Pretty much like Luffy and the Strawhats. For him it actually means to do what makes him a Pirate King. Not necessarily to be considered a Pirate King in the publics eye.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@desa said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.
It really looks like an endgame setup.
Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.
Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.
I like to believe Oda wouldnt go there but I didnt think he would make buggy an emperor.
Expected this to happen and still disappointed when it actually took place. Brace yourself for Buggy being considered the Pirate King when the story ends.
It's wild how two people can have such different reactions to a character because you just a wrote an ending to One Piece that would make me so happy. I love Buggy and I love his failing-to-the-top story. He's a true underdog.
(btw i have a theory that the current four emperor set is one who Oda planned from the beginning, when he meant the story to last for five years only. or rather these four would be our endgame group)
I generally despise characters like this and Buggy is the worst of the worst. The only character of this kind I am making an exception is Onepunch Man's KIng. This guy never ever wanted public recognition and always tries to get out of it but no matter what he does he cannot get the public perception to change. Kinda like Brian in life of Brian when he said that people have to give him a chance to get out of this again. Generally the bullshit meter is so high with King it's a true treat to watch. There's a scene with Atomic Samurai and an apple that is godlike writing on this concept. No other story has ever reached this level, which is why I fully accept Kings character. But Buggy should die a horrible miserable death.
The only satisfaction I'm getting out of this right now is, that he's pretty much my all time favorite character's bitch right now.
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@Ivotas How is that comparable? We are talking about Luffy's dream here. To think Luffy won't be acknowledged as King of the Pirates by the end of the story is beyond ridiculous.
I did think Blackbeard would first be acknowledged as King of the Pirates for drama's sake, but the introduction of Xebec and his ambition to be King of the World has made me doubt it.
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@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas Err come one. Look how much shit Buggy got for stupidly becoming an emperor....If he somehow became the king of the pirates, Oda would have to actually have him killed to make up for it...
Nah, it's still possible if you look at how in Dragonball Mr. Satan is considered to be the one to have defeated Cell by the general public. The readers know the truth. But the main cast doesn't really care much about the public perseption and more about the dealing with the crisis at hand. Pretty much like Luffy and the Strawhats. For him it actually means to do what makes him a Pirate King. Not necessarily to be considered a Pirate King in the publics eye.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@desa said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.
It really looks like an endgame setup.
Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.
Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.
I like to believe Oda wouldnt go there but I didnt think he would make buggy an emperor.
Expected this to happen and still disappointed when it actually took place. Brace yourself for Buggy being considered the Pirate King when the story ends.
It's wild how two people can have such different reactions to a character because you just a wrote an ending to One Piece that would make me so happy. I love Buggy and I love his failing-to-the-top story. He's a true underdog.
(btw i have a theory that the current four emperor set is one who Oda planned from the beginning, when he meant the story to last for five years only. or rather these four would be our endgame group)
I generally despise characters like this and Buggy is the worst of the worst. The only character of this kind I am making an exception is Onepunch Man's KIng. This guy never ever wanted public recognition and always tries to get out of it but no matter what he does he cannot get the public perception to change. Kinda like Brian in life of Brian when he said that people have to give him a chance to get out of this again. Generally the bullshit meter is so high with King it's a true treat to watch. There's a scene with Atomic Samurai and an apple that is godlike writing on this concept. No other story has ever reached this level, which is why I fully accept Kings character. But Buggy should die a horrible miserable death.
The only satisfaction I'm getting out of this right now is, that he's pretty much my all time favorite character's bitch right now.
And how awesome this all is for me since Croc and Buggy are my favorite villains of One Piece!
...Anyhoo, I feel like I should defend Buggy against such uhhh hate and slander but you know, the future Pirate King doesn't need my protection.
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@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas How is that comparable? We are talking about Luffy's dream here. To think Luffy won't be acknowledged as King of the Pirates by the end of the story is beyond ridiculous.
I did think Blackbeard would first be acknowledged as King of the Pirates for drama's sake, but the introduction of Xebec and his ambition to be King of the World has made me doubt it.
I'm not saying it's a 1 to 1 comparison. But I see it a possibilty since Luffy always said that he wants to be the Pirate King because he considers the PK to be the most free person in the world. He seeks the title for freedom, not for prestige. Buggy on the other hand is all about prestige and freedom.
Again, I'm not even defending this whack theory. I'm just preparing myself to be disappointed because I aboslutely see this happening. Oda already made Buggy a Warlord and now an Emperor. He even said long ago that Buggy was his favorite character back then. That paired with nods to Dragonball which Oda considers a big inspiration just doesn't let me safely say "nah, it will never happen".
Would fans consider this a betrayal on the premise? Of course it would. But many fans also consider the Nika development similarly a betrayal on build up. Yet there's people who like and even us who don't like it keep on reading. No reason why the same thing shouldn't apply a second time when Buggy get's publicly considered to be the Pirate King while Luffy is actually the one who is the real PK.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas Err come one. Look how much shit Buggy got for stupidly becoming an emperor....If he somehow became the king of the pirates, Oda would have to actually have him killed to make up for it...
Nah, it's still possible if you look at how in Dragonball Mr. Satan is considered to be the one to have defeated Cell by the general public. The readers know the truth. But the main cast doesn't really care much about the public perseption and more about the dealing with the crisis at hand. Pretty much like Luffy and the Strawhats. For him it actually means to do what makes him a Pirate King. Not necessarily to be considered a Pirate King in the publics eye.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@desa said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.
It really looks like an endgame setup.
Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.
Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.
I like to believe Oda wouldnt go there but I didnt think he would make buggy an emperor.
Expected this to happen and still disappointed when it actually took place. Brace yourself for Buggy being considered the Pirate King when the story ends.
It's wild how two people can have such different reactions to a character because you just a wrote an ending to One Piece that would make me so happy. I love Buggy and I love his failing-to-the-top story. He's a true underdog.
(btw i have a theory that the current four emperor set is one who Oda planned from the beginning, when he meant the story to last for five years only. or rather these four would be our endgame group)
I generally despise characters like this and Buggy is the worst of the worst. The only character of this kind I am making an exception is Onepunch Man's KIng. This guy never ever wanted public recognition and always tries to get out of it but no matter what he does he cannot get the public perception to change. Kinda like Brian in life of Brian when he said that people have to give him a chance to get out of this again. Generally the bullshit meter is so high with King it's a true treat to watch. There's a scene with Atomic Samurai and an apple that is godlike writing on this concept. No other story has ever reached this level, which is why I fully accept Kings character. But Buggy should die a horrible miserable death.
The only satisfaction I'm getting out of this right now is, that he's pretty much my all time favorite character's bitch right now.
And how awesome this all is for me since Croc and Buggy are my favorite villains of One Piece!
...Anyhoo, I feel like I should defend Buggy against such uhhh hate and slander but you know, the future Pirate King doesn't need my protection.
You're absolutely right. The only thing he needs is to die a miserable and horrible death and never to return in the world of One Piece.^^'
All joking aside, I just don't like the character but I hope you don't think I'm attacking you personally, even though you're evidentally wrong.
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@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas How is that comparable? We are talking about Luffy's dream here. To think Luffy won't be acknowledged as King of the Pirates by the end of the story is beyond ridiculous.
I did think Blackbeard would first be acknowledged as King of the Pirates for drama's sake, but the introduction of Xebec and his ambition to be King of the World has made me doubt it.
I'm not saying it's a 1 to 1 comparison. But I see it a possibilty since Luffy always said that he wants to be the Pirate King because he considers the PK to be the most free person in the world. He seeks the title for freedom, not for prestige. Buggy on the other hand is all about prestige and freedom.
Again, I'm not even defending this whack theory. I'm just preparing myself to be disappointed because I aboslutely see this happening. Oda already made Buggy a Warlord and now an Emperor. He even said long ago that Buggy was his favorite character back then. That paired with nods to Dragonball which Oda considers a big inspiration just doesn't let me safely say "nah, it will never happen".
Would fans consider this a betrayal on the premise? Of course it would. But many fans also consider the Nika development similarly a betrayal on build up. Yet there's people who like and even us who don't like it keep on reading. No reason why the same thing shouldn't apply a second time when Buggy get's publicly considered to be the Pirate King while Luffy is actually the one who is the real PK.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas Err come one. Look how much shit Buggy got for stupidly becoming an emperor....If he somehow became the king of the pirates, Oda would have to actually have him killed to make up for it...
Nah, it's still possible if you look at how in Dragonball Mr. Satan is considered to be the one to have defeated Cell by the general public. The readers know the truth. But the main cast doesn't really care much about the public perseption and more about the dealing with the crisis at hand. Pretty much like Luffy and the Strawhats. For him it actually means to do what makes him a Pirate King. Not necessarily to be considered a Pirate King in the publics eye.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@desa said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.
It really looks like an endgame setup.
Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.
Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.
I like to believe Oda wouldnt go there but I didnt think he would make buggy an emperor.
Expected this to happen and still disappointed when it actually took place. Brace yourself for Buggy being considered the Pirate King when the story ends.
It's wild how two people can have such different reactions to a character because you just a wrote an ending to One Piece that would make me so happy. I love Buggy and I love his failing-to-the-top story. He's a true underdog.
(btw i have a theory that the current four emperor set is one who Oda planned from the beginning, when he meant the story to last for five years only. or rather these four would be our endgame group)
I generally despise characters like this and Buggy is the worst of the worst. The only character of this kind I am making an exception is Onepunch Man's KIng. This guy never ever wanted public recognition and always tries to get out of it but no matter what he does he cannot get the public perception to change. Kinda like Brian in life of Brian when he said that people have to give him a chance to get out of this again. Generally the bullshit meter is so high with King it's a true treat to watch. There's a scene with Atomic Samurai and an apple that is godlike writing on this concept. No other story has ever reached this level, which is why I fully accept Kings character. But Buggy should die a horrible miserable death.
The only satisfaction I'm getting out of this right now is, that he's pretty much my all time favorite character's bitch right now.
And how awesome this all is for me since Croc and Buggy are my favorite villains of One Piece!
...Anyhoo, I feel like I should defend Buggy against such uhhh hate and slander but you know, the future Pirate King doesn't need my protection.
You're absolutely right. The only thing he needs is to die a miserable and horrible death and never to return in the world of One Piece.^^'
All joking aside, I just don't like the character but I hope you don't think I'm attacking you personally, even though you're evidentally wrong.
Nah man it's all in good fun no worries.
Besides, us Buggy fans have the upper hand in this fight since like you said, he is one of Oda's favorite characters also. The clown is safe and going to do a lot before this story ends. -
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas How is that comparable? We are talking about Luffy's dream here. To think Luffy won't be acknowledged as King of the Pirates by the end of the story is beyond ridiculous.
I did think Blackbeard would first be acknowledged as King of the Pirates for drama's sake, but the introduction of Xebec and his ambition to be King of the World has made me doubt it.
I'm not saying it's a 1 to 1 comparison. But I see it a possibilty since Luffy always said that he wants to be the Pirate King because he considers the PK to be the most free person in the world. He seeks the title for freedom, not for prestige. Buggy on the other hand is all about prestige and freedom.
Again, I'm not even defending this whack theory. I'm just preparing myself to be disappointed because I aboslutely see this happening. Oda already made Buggy a Warlord and now an Emperor. He even said long ago that Buggy was his favorite character back then. That paired with nods to Dragonball which Oda considers a big inspiration just doesn't let me safely say "nah, it will never happen".
Would fans consider this a betrayal on the premise? Of course it would. But many fans also consider the Nika development similarly a betrayal on build up. Yet there's people who like and even us who don't like it keep on reading. No reason why the same thing shouldn't apply a second time when Buggy get's publicly considered to be the Pirate King while Luffy is actually the one who is the real PK.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas Err come one. Look how much shit Buggy got for stupidly becoming an emperor....If he somehow became the king of the pirates, Oda would have to actually have him killed to make up for it...
Nah, it's still possible if you look at how in Dragonball Mr. Satan is considered to be the one to have defeated Cell by the general public. The readers know the truth. But the main cast doesn't really care much about the public perseption and more about the dealing with the crisis at hand. Pretty much like Luffy and the Strawhats. For him it actually means to do what makes him a Pirate King. Not necessarily to be considered a Pirate King in the publics eye.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@desa said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.
It really looks like an endgame setup.
Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.
Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.
I like to believe Oda wouldnt go there but I didnt think he would make buggy an emperor.
Expected this to happen and still disappointed when it actually took place. Brace yourself for Buggy being considered the Pirate King when the story ends.
It's wild how two people can have such different reactions to a character because you just a wrote an ending to One Piece that would make me so happy. I love Buggy and I love his failing-to-the-top story. He's a true underdog.
(btw i have a theory that the current four emperor set is one who Oda planned from the beginning, when he meant the story to last for five years only. or rather these four would be our endgame group)
I generally despise characters like this and Buggy is the worst of the worst. The only character of this kind I am making an exception is Onepunch Man's KIng. This guy never ever wanted public recognition and always tries to get out of it but no matter what he does he cannot get the public perception to change. Kinda like Brian in life of Brian when he said that people have to give him a chance to get out of this again. Generally the bullshit meter is so high with King it's a true treat to watch. There's a scene with Atomic Samurai and an apple that is godlike writing on this concept. No other story has ever reached this level, which is why I fully accept Kings character. But Buggy should die a horrible miserable death.
The only satisfaction I'm getting out of this right now is, that he's pretty much my all time favorite character's bitch right now.
And how awesome this all is for me since Croc and Buggy are my favorite villains of One Piece!
...Anyhoo, I feel like I should defend Buggy against such uhhh hate and slander but you know, the future Pirate King doesn't need my protection.
You're absolutely right. The only thing he needs is to die a miserable and horrible death and never to return in the world of One Piece.^^'
All joking aside, I just don't like the character but I hope you don't think I'm attacking you personally, even though you're evidentally wrong.
Nah man it's all in good fun no worries.
Besides, us Buggy fans have the upper hand in this fight since like you said, he is one of Oda's favorite characters also. The clown is safe and going to do a lot before this story ends.That's the frustrating part really. We just have to deal with it as he has the 'get out of jail' card given by Oda.
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@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas How is that comparable? We are talking about Luffy's dream here. To think Luffy won't be acknowledged as King of the Pirates by the end of the story is beyond ridiculous.
I did think Blackbeard would first be acknowledged as King of the Pirates for drama's sake, but the introduction of Xebec and his ambition to be King of the World has made me doubt it.
I'm not saying it's a 1 to 1 comparison. But I see it a possibilty since Luffy always said that he wants to be the Pirate King because he considers the PK to be the most free person in the world. He seeks the title for freedom, not for prestige. Buggy on the other hand is all about prestige and freedom.
Again, I'm not even defending this whack theory. I'm just preparing myself to be disappointed because I aboslutely see this happening. Oda already made Buggy a Warlord and now an Emperor. He even said long ago that Buggy was his favorite character back then. That paired with nods to Dragonball which Oda considers a big inspiration just doesn't let me safely say "nah, it will never happen".
Would fans consider this a betrayal on the premise? Of course it would. But many fans also consider the Nika development similarly a betrayal on build up. Yet there's people who like and even us who don't like it keep on reading. No reason why the same thing shouldn't apply a second time when Buggy get's publicly considered to be the Pirate King while Luffy is actually the one who is the real PK.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas Err come one. Look how much shit Buggy got for stupidly becoming an emperor....If he somehow became the king of the pirates, Oda would have to actually have him killed to make up for it...
Nah, it's still possible if you look at how in Dragonball Mr. Satan is considered to be the one to have defeated Cell by the general public. The readers know the truth. But the main cast doesn't really care much about the public perseption and more about the dealing with the crisis at hand. Pretty much like Luffy and the Strawhats. For him it actually means to do what makes him a Pirate King. Not necessarily to be considered a Pirate King in the publics eye.
@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@desa said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.
It really looks like an endgame setup.
Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.
Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.
I like to believe Oda wouldnt go there but I didnt think he would make buggy an emperor.
Expected this to happen and still disappointed when it actually took place. Brace yourself for Buggy being considered the Pirate King when the story ends.
It's wild how two people can have such different reactions to a character because you just a wrote an ending to One Piece that would make me so happy. I love Buggy and I love his failing-to-the-top story. He's a true underdog.
(btw i have a theory that the current four emperor set is one who Oda planned from the beginning, when he meant the story to last for five years only. or rather these four would be our endgame group)
I generally despise characters like this and Buggy is the worst of the worst. The only character of this kind I am making an exception is Onepunch Man's KIng. This guy never ever wanted public recognition and always tries to get out of it but no matter what he does he cannot get the public perception to change. Kinda like Brian in life of Brian when he said that people have to give him a chance to get out of this again. Generally the bullshit meter is so high with King it's a true treat to watch. There's a scene with Atomic Samurai and an apple that is godlike writing on this concept. No other story has ever reached this level, which is why I fully accept Kings character. But Buggy should die a horrible miserable death.
The only satisfaction I'm getting out of this right now is, that he's pretty much my all time favorite character's bitch right now.
And how awesome this all is for me since Croc and Buggy are my favorite villains of One Piece!
...Anyhoo, I feel like I should defend Buggy against such uhhh hate and slander but you know, the future Pirate King doesn't need my protection.
You're absolutely right. The only thing he needs is to die a miserable and horrible death and never to return in the world of One Piece.^^'
All joking aside, I just don't like the character but I hope you don't think I'm attacking you personally, even though you're evidentally wrong.
Nah man it's all in good fun no worries.
Besides, us Buggy fans have the upper hand in this fight since like you said, he is one of Oda's favorite characters also. The clown is safe and going to do a lot before this story ends.That's the frustrating part really. We just have to deal with it as he has the 'get out of jail' card given by Oda.
In some arcs quite literally, even!
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@FatDogForMidTerms said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Dude, that one cracked me up really good. XD
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There a Break this week?
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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Nvm... I should just stop getting frustrated at bad reasoning.
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I find it interesting how Luffy was pointed out to have “9 commanders” for some reason, as if set-up to have 10th commander slotted in to round it out.
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@kevo_koma
Yeah
I dislike the idea that the title of Pirate King will get passed around so easily. Blackbeard may get it, but Buggy getting it because of a misunderstanding would make the title far less important. 1000 chapters trying to become the Pirate King and all Luffy really needed to do was bumble around until it fell into his lap. With an twist like that what's the point of spending one thousand chapters showing our main characters struggle; it would just prove that One Piece is too long.
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@kevo_koma tes. Next chapter comes Sep 11th.
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@pokebat7 said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@kevo_koma
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I dislike the idea that the title of Pirate King will get passed around so easily. Blackbeard may get it, but Buggy getting it because of a misunderstanding would make the title far less important. 1000 chapters trying to become the Pirate King and all Luffy really needed to do was bumble around until it fell into his lap. With an twist like that what's the point of spending one thousand chapters showing our main characters struggle; it would just prove that One Piece is too long.
I think the pirate king’s title has taken a backsit compared to the joyboy related storylines. Although the pirate king is related to joyboy too.
Who’s gonna give the title and what are the requirements to get it?. Isn’t it the WG that gives this title?. Why did Roger get it, because he got to Laugh Tale?.
If the requirements is whoever gets to laugh tale then I see a lot of people having a chance to it including Buggy.
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I was starting to believe that I was tired of One Piece, but I simply had a heavy case of Wano fatigue.
I really enjoyed this chapter.One of my biggest gripes with current One Piece is how Luffy is turning into some kind of god-like long-awaited prophetic figure. I like G5 in itself, but man oh man I still can't accept that Nika/Joyboy stuff. To me Luffy still works the best as that silly rubber kid from some random East Blue village
So even as a gag, seeing that messiah-like figure looking like a terrified little puppy in front of his angry navigator after that stunt he pulled... I loved it! No matter how powerful Luffy become, he's still that dumb and reckless kid that gets keep in check by Nami.And I totally dig Jinbe obliviousness to the crew's antics, like not knowing that you should stay away from an angry Nami or not understanding why Sanji is reacting this way to the bounty.
I completely agree that Crocodile's bounty seems to high... But if I'm allowed to be biased... i don't care xD. He has always been one of my favorite antagonists and I really enjoyed him in ID/MF too, so I'm glad he gets to be relevant. Never imagined him as loan shark, but it feels so well. Dude always that mobster vibe.
Mihawk being known as the "Marine Hunter" in contrast to Zoro "Pirate hunter" is interesting. I'm really looking forward to their rematch.
I would say "Poor Buggy" but knowing his luck the situation will turn to his advantage lol.
Cross Guild is such an unexpected but welcome group.
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@Kfunk said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
And I totally dig Jinbe obliviousness to the crew's antics, like not knowing that you should stay away from an angry Nami or not understanding why Sanji is reacting this way to the bounty.
We also had him in Onigashima allowing Zoro to wander alone. It’s a really clever way to use his late joining (particularly since everyone else know each other for 2 years) in his favor, something that normally would be detrimental to him as a SH actually ensures his place in the dynamics.
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Oh yeah, nothing more endearing than a middle aged man desperately trying to fit in a group of people half his age.
Curiosity has its own reason for existing
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@Alfiere said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Oh yeah, nothing more endearing than a middle aged man desperately trying to fit in a group of people half his age.
That's Franky, actually.
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@theackwardstation said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
That's Franky, actually.
Franky (and Brook) never desperately tried anything, they just do their thing and happen to fit right in naturally.
Jimbe is painful to witness, he's costantly walking on eggs, afraid his new friends may think he's not cool enough to keep hanging with them.Probably doesn't help that Jimbe's "thing" doesn't really exist.
Curiosity has its own reason for existing
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@Alfiere said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@theackwardstation said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
That's Franky, actually.
Franky (and Brook) never desperately tried anything, they just do their thing and happen to fit right in naturally.
Jimbe is painful to witness, he's costantly walking on eggs, afraid his new friends may think he's not cool enough to keep hanging with them.Eh, I don't see Jimbe trying hard to fit in anywhere, much less trying to act like half his age. He's only being oblivious to the crew's antics.
Now Franky is a 38 years old who acts like a teenager.
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HOW did you got that from any of those scenes? He is just being caught by surprise by the quirky traits of their personalities. That's it. That's the joke and the entirety of the scenes, they don't even have a follow up with him excusing himself or anything for someone to read it like you are doing.
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@access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
HOW did you got that from any of those scenes? He is just being caught by surprise by the quirky traits of their personalities. That's it. That's the joke and the entirety of the scenes, they don't even have a follow up with him excusing himself or anything for someone to read it like you are doing.
Relax, I'm just trying to get some fun out of Jimbe. I know it may sound pointless, but you can't blame me for trying at least!
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Jinbe's reactions to his crewmates have been great! If only he would have thrown Nami overboard or something... It would have been perfect.
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@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Jinbe's reactions to his crewmates have been great! If only he would have thrown Nami overboard or something... It would have been perfect.
I’ll co-sign to that.
I understand that’s gag of nami beating Luffy but sometimes like in this situation, she takes it too far and too serious. Earlier in the series Zoro was almost up to his limits with her bossy attitude. -
I think it's because the only reason Luffy took them on the plunge is because someone goaded him into doing so.
Luffy and Law were perfectly fine taking the guaranteed and safe route, until Kidd mocked them.That ego-driven decision had a strong statistical chance of killing the entire crew, after they already survived the scary raid.
He literally risked everyone's lives for no good reason, they could have died for nothing of importance.
So I actually understand that Nami has full rights to be extremely pissed.I'm genuinely shocked that her actions are being associated with bossiness,
when this is actually the most justified she's been in a long time.TL;DR: Luffy suffering a consequence for his buffoonery makes sense to me.
Buffoonery is entertaining to the reader, sure. But from the perspective of characters like Nami,
I can't be mad at her for throttling him. -
@realtenchu I was thinking more like a "chill out" gag, you know? I do feel she is overreacting though. I usually find her reactions to Luffy's stunts to be justified and amusing but this time I was like; "Wow. Seriously?"
I guess Oda just wanted to make a parallel between Luffy and Buggy.
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@realtenchu said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Jinbe's reactions to his crewmates have been great! If only he would have thrown Nami overboard or something... It would have been perfect.
I’ll co-sign to that.
I understand that’s gag of nami beating Luffy but sometimes like in this situation, she takes it too far and too serious. Earlier in the series Zoro was almost up to his limits with her bossy attitude.Nami was and will always be the crews spoil sport. There's nothing wrong her providing the counterbalance to the crews overall crazyness. But whereas Robin is charming and silently just shoves a fist one Luffy's mouth when she wants him to tone it down, Nami usually shows a more bitchy attitude when putting the crew back into their place.
And before anyone complains, when I say bitchy I'm not talking about her being a bitch in the sexual kind if sense. But rather in the throwing a tantrum sense by demanding their five minutes of attention while totally ruining everyone's fun that moment. It's really sad as it puts a stain on an otherwise great character.
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@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@realtenchu said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Jinbe's reactions to his crewmates have been great! If only he would have thrown Nami overboard or something... It would have been perfect.
I’ll co-sign to that.
I understand that’s gag of nami beating Luffy but sometimes like in this situation, she takes it too far and too serious. Earlier in the series Zoro was almost up to his limits with her bossy attitude.Nami was and will always be the crews spoil sport. There's nothing wrong her providing the counterbalance to the crews overall crazyness. But whereas Robin is charming and silently just shoves a fist one Luffy's mouth when she wants him to tone it down, Nami usually shows a more bitchy attitude when putting the crew back into their place.
And before anyone complains, when I say bitchy I'm not talking about her being a bitch in the sexual kind if sense. But rather in the throwing a tantrum sense by demanding their five minutes of attention while totally ruining everyone's fun that moment. It's really sad as it puts a stain on an otherwise great character.
Has Robin ever tried to get the crew to tone down?
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In what sense is Nami's scoldings a form of attention-seeking instead of it being her angrily punishing the idiots' idiocy? I don't get it.
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Nami has been whacking Luffy for doing dangerous shit that threatens the rest of the crew since she first showed up. She's always been the one to go "you could've gotten us killed you idiot!!!", because she's characterized as being a "mature, normal person" aboard a crew of actual lunatics.
But no it's totally because THAT BITCH is looking for ATTENTION and RUINING the boys' FUN.
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It's the same as growing up and realizing Squidward has a point in most Spongebob episodes,
and is often justified in objecting to the idiocy going on around him.Nami, due to the immense responsibility and burden she took upon herself from childhood,
to work with her own mother's KILLER no less, had to grow up and mature super fast.
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@Cyan-D-Funk said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
Nami has been whacking Luffy for doing dangerous shit that threatens the rest of the crew since she first showed up. She's always been the one to go "you could've gotten us killed you idiot!!!", because she's characterized as being a "mature, normal person" aboard a crew of actual lunatics.
But no it's totally because THAT BITCH is looking for ATTENTION and RUINING the boys' FUN.
Plus her "scolding" of Luffy is so over the top that it's a great gag in itself. She beats Luffy up and and puts him in a cage! Like, goddamn Nami.
I really can't understand how someone sees that scene is like "what a boring bitch, what a spoilsport" she's a weird monster you guys. -
I can't tell if people are just memeing about her at this point, but otherwise I think it's kind of weird for people to be bothered by the exaggerated over-the-top scolding now of all times. She fills in the "straight person" role more than the others but it's always been like this, since Whiskey Peak even?
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2022 when Nami scolding Luffy has become more prominent of a gimmick to pile on than Brook's or Sanji's.
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@Cinder said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
I can't tell if people are just memeing about her at this point, but otherwise I think it's kind of weird for people to be bothered by the exaggerated over-the-top scolding now of all times. She fills in the "straight person" role more than the others but it's always been like this, since Whiskey Peak even?
I think it's because One Piece has more fans now, and many of them are probably young-ish guys who doesn't have uhhh the healthiest attitudes towards women.
You can see a lot of this weird macho bullshit culture in other OP fandom spaces.
Which of course is very funny since we all are massive nerds.
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That super tough and powerful guy who beat the world strongest creature and just became a new emperor , one of the greatest pirates in the world...
...is being brought to his heel by his relatively frail navigator.
The entire situation is absurd, from Luffy staying in the cage when he could break out at any moment to Jinbe being more intimidated by Nami than Big Mom. This is totally over the top.
And that's the whole comedy. You're supposed to be like "Damn, Nami is that terrifying when angry? xD" no "damn no fun allowed bitch!".Also IMO it's actually one of the most justified moments of scolding Nami in the series.
Her role has always been to watch out for the crew safety on the sea (something she takes very seriously), and Luffy showed complete disregard for it out of the blue despite there being a safe route they all agreed to take, for no other reason than cheap dick waving contest. It'll be really odd if she let that slide. They may owe Luffy loyalty, but he owes them protection.Funnily (coming after this chapter) Nami actually mellowed out a lot with the crew lol. Most of her scoldings now are a direct reaction to Luffy/Sanji doing something stupidly irresponsible /perverted or saying something insensitive, the actual bosiness not that much. Been a long time since Zoro actually got bossed around.
But everyone has their own sensibilities, I for one am not fan to how exaggerated Sanji perverted gags became after Enies Lobby (though it became better from WCI), so not trying to lecture anybody on what comedy they should like. But Oda likely had a lot of fun drawing this scene lol.
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I did think that beating up Luffy and locking him hungry in a cage is a bit too much.
How is falling from the waterfall any more dangerous as some other shit they've survived over the years, like riding the knockout stream or traversing the Aqua Laguna. I feel we are at a point in which the crew can go through such ordeals smiling.
Oh, I know it's humor, that it doesn't mean anything other than being funny, but after everything the crew has gone through, it felt a bit heavy-handed. But, maybe, it has a purpose in the story and may even matter in a plotline we may get ahead.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I think it was all for the gag of introducing Luffy as an emperor while being a pitiful beaten up mess in a cage. It was pretty good, 8/10.
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@Deicide Doubt it's going to be a relevant plot point.
It's likely just a gag to make the "New Emperors" more pathetic than their titles imply (since Buggy is also in a very precarious situation). Luffy will be out of the cage by the time we return to the ship.
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Oh, the joyous discussion of a week without chapter!
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@Deicide falling from the waterfall is not more dangerous than other ordeals of the past, but it's also a completely unnecessary risk, unlike taking the Knock Up Stream. The point here is that Luffy is extremely wrong.
But the scolding (even though justified) must be over the top to be a fun gag, otherwise it'd read too seriously.
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@King-Cannon
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@desa She has a couple of times shut up Luffy when he was too loud by making a using her powers to shut him up.
And about my "office bitch" argument. Of course didn't mean that she is looking for attention. I was merely bringing up the most popular example of the other meaning of the word 'bitch' because people always go the bitch = whore interpretation when they read the word. I guess the term 'office bitch' was not enough of a dead give away that it is not to be taken as a 1 to 1 application of the concept. Will make sure to insult everyone's intelligence next time and breastfeed it to people then.
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It's a fun old antic, but I'd much rather have SH having actual conversations here and there.
"Damn, that was some wild stuff back there."
"Hey Zoro, so it seems Wano is your place of origin? That's crazy! How do you feel about it?"
"What was it like fighting Kaido?"
"Hey Usopp, want me to show you how to use Observation?"
"What do we do now, we need to be ready for WG coming at us." -
All of these conversation topics seem completely uncharacteristic for the Strawhats. Especially someone asking Zoro how he feels about Wano being his place of origin, as if he'd care. The Strawhats aren't really the type of friends that spend their time having serious conversations about their feelings. Or having serious conversations in general lol., unless the situation they are in is serious as well.
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@Riddler uncharacteristic if you want to see the same thing play out after every arc, with characters that barely change and interact in a meaningful way, outside of important fight scenes. For refreshment, we're still largely in the dark regarding the time skip and what each of SH did.
Anyway, it's just examples, no need to be literal about it.
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Curiosity has its own reason for existing
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@Alfiere Uh why? I have friends too that I mostly just hang out with, goof around a lot etc., unless it's a serious situation (like, someone's parent died or someone had a car accident or whatever). Doesn't mean we aren't close friends. That's such a weird, judgmental thing to say....you can't be good friends (or friends at all) if you spend the majority of your time together having fun?
The Strawhats are a bunch of silly goofballs and they always have been. The image of them sitting in a circle on the ship and discussing their feelings just seems inherently wrong to me
There have been plenty of occasions where they had serious discussions or provided strong emotional support for each other, but only when the situations calls for it.Don't get me wrong, I actually found some of the gags this chapter a bit stale and recycled too (loved Luffy being a completely pathetic Emperor and Jinbe's reaction to Nami though, that actually made me laugh out loud), I just didn't think thse examples in particular fit their characters and their dynamics very well.
I would also say that part of the appeal of the Strawhats and one of the reasons why fans still want to see more of the main characters instead of less after more than twenty years of serialization is because they are just so much damn fun together. Oda is generally pretty good at keeping the characters fresh somehow despite the fact they don't really develop much as characters after they joined the crew.
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I've made a comment in the spoiler thread that I thought these interactions were a little reclycled too... but I can't blame the scene for being a bunch of gags because that's only 4 pages for 9 characters, it's hard to write a meaningful conversation in this space.
In the past, we've had more natural and flowy interactions of the crew which sounded more like conversation, but that's a thing when we have an entire chapter for them going through an adventure and reacting to stuff and talking about it. Hopefully we'll get some of this in the next island.
But I have to agree with Riddler that's not much the style of One Piece to show the crew making small talk or deep personal stuff. It's not necessarily that it doesn't happen at all, but that the narrative never shows it.
