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    Chapter 1058: New Emperors

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    • theackwardstation
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      Politics is at the core of One Piece, but it's all heart instead of talking about the complicated stuff. In OP, there's this naivety of dismissing any commentary or criticism regarding models of State, governace and institutions (perhaps because it's too complicated for a work aimed at 15 yo readers?), so it doesn't matter whether it's monarchy, republic or anything else, that's not a problem. What matters in OP is whether the ruler is good or bad, i.e., whether the ruler is benevolent, selfless and good for the people instead of oppressive, entitled and bad for the people.

      Why am I bringing this up? Because the Revolutionaries are only against the oppression of the WG, not against the infrastructure itself. The Revolutionaries are not against monarchy or even against the World Government itself, but only against the Celestial Dragons themselves, and only because the world nobles are rotten and produce immense damage to the world through their fascist rule. But the Revs would never aim to dethrone a good king, so that's why Dragon is against killing Cobra, since Cobra probably has a good reputation due to Alabasta being a prosperous country, etc.

      The manga has spent over a thousand chapters praising these great kings, so it'd be contradictory to put the Revs against them, unless the Revs were supposed to be portrayed as villains or misguided rebels. I don't think that's the point.

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        @Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

        Absolutely exaggerated bounties for the Cross Guild folks, they have done nothing nearly comparable to completely dismantling a Yonkou organization like Luffy and Pals did, but I guess existing equals as much danger as beating up Linlin...

        The only thing Oda has managed to do here, is dehyping the Worst Gen Trio bounties, those arent remarkable numbers, its just numbers you cant get by also doing nothing.

        Very well done.

        So are you trying to explain Dragon’s reaction to the notion of Sabo killing Cobra?.

        In related matters, what’s gonna happen when Luffy takes down the government?. The security that the marines provide to many countries is for the most part actually good. There are many pirates and bad guys out there who are powerful enough to destroy many countries. Will these countries be defenseless once the world government is down?.

        I think the answer to that lies in how the world used to be before the celestial dragons took over. I think that many countries and kingdoms were in an alliance for security and trade and help, etc., and a very powerful kingdom serve as the main influential power in this alliance. I think Joyboy was the king or the heir prince in this kingdom. He probably fell in love with the mermaid princes/queen and wanted to marry and bring the fishmen people to live on the surface, but many people opposed this because of their racism and prejudice and that’s probably where we get the 20 kings who rose against the main kingdom and won the war and took over.

        Maybe the world will go back to what it used to be before the celestial dragons

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          I feel like Jinbe should have thrown Nami over-board. Maybe that would chill her out.

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            @realtenchu I don't see the Marines getting disbanded. Fujitora, Coby, Smoker, Tashigi, Drake, maybe Kuzan. Plenty of good ones to lead the new era.

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              @realtenchu what will happen is very simple: Luffy and his allies will defeat the Celestial Dragons and their supporters (the fascist Marines led by Akainu, bad kingdoms, etc), finally bringing the Dawn to the world. After this great war, the good kings of the world will create a new World Government just like the previous one, except now it's fairer, without slavery, without the exploitation of poorer countries, without greedy schemes, without the shady Cypher Pol, without a ruling class who lives above the law, and without the farse of a secret king secretly sitting at the "empty throne". After the Dawn, all people will unite and live happily, fully inclusive to all the minorities of this world, and no mass poverty will be allowed, no person will go hungry. The Marines will be run by good Marines like Fujitora, and there will be no place for evil ideologies like the fascism of Akainu and Greenbull.

              It's a naive story, all about virtue and principles.

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                @Captain-M said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                I'm very interested in what happened with Franky's photo. Seems like a hard mistake to make, especially considering the Sunny was hidden outside and not a factor in the Onigashima battle. This feels like a future plot point building, but it could just as easily be written off as a gag in the next chapter.

                I don't think it makes enough sense to be a gag alone, or at the very least it isn't as clear that it's a gag as it should be if that were all it was. My guess is that it's Vegapunk related. Perhaps the World Government successfully altered his poster much like they intended to with Luffy's this time around. I do wonder why they chose the Sunny though.

                The last scene with the Revolutionaries really makes me realise how much we still don't know about this group. It seems strange for Dragon to be so against the murder of an influential World Government king. Does he have insider knowledge that Cobra is one of the good ones? Is he privy to some lore about the Nefeltari family's connections to ancient secrets, like the Poneglyph they were keeping hidden in their crypts? Or is the coup, when it comes, to be nonviolent? Dragon has been a presence in the story for so long I'm really looking forward to seeing what he's all about. Hopefully the next chapter picks up Sabo's call where it leaves off and gives us some more to work with.

                This might answer the question of why Dragon was on Alabasta when we were first introduced to him (unless that was already answered in some other way and I've forgotten, which is quite possible). Strongly suspect we won't hear the rest of that Sabo call though, at least not at the top of the next chapter since Oda does this kind of thing frequently (would love to be proven wrong).

                The only complaint I could possibly level at this chapter is there being no hint at all of the next destination, and that one's completely up to my own impatience. It's a fantastic starting point for the final saga and I can't wait to see what's next.

                Being that it is apparently the final saga, the thought crossed my mind that there may not actually be another destination in the traditional One Piece sense, and that we're just going to stay here in what is usually the post-arc checking-in-on-the-rest-of-the-world portion of the story. I guess it comes down to how serious Oda was about this being the final arc/saga and what exactly he meant by that. We'll probably find out pretty quickly.

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                  Dragon first appeared at Loguetown, where he saved Luffy from Smoker. In no way shape or form does he have anything to do with Arabasta, even when a civil war might seem ideal for Rev. activity.

                  Again, I think people overestimate how radical the Revs. are. Their enemy is the Celestial Dragons that rule, not the WG itself. It's likely that Dragon only supports the overthrow of "bad" kings, as opposed to thinking the concept of monarchy is a problem.

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                    I liked this chapter a lot overall it's generally the stuff I want out of One Piece before the end a lot more.
                    Also the Sanji flame gags right now with the hanging lunarian thing are quite the "mmmmmh".

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                      Buggy's bounty is more than fair given his connections and "influence" in the eyes of the marines. He was a member of the Roger Pirates, which means he might have info about the One Piece. He not only escaped from Impel Down, but escaped with a deluge of other prisoners following him, and presented himself as an equal next to Whitebeard, Crocodile, and Luffy. He has been an influential Warlord for 2 years, and he's presumably bent Mihawk and Crocodile to his will as his subordinates. I truly think that warrants such a high number. Also, the whole point is that the marines are ignorant to him and have been for a while.

                      As for Mihawk, they justified it in the chapter by saying he's even greater than Shanks with a sword, which also hypes up Shanks sword abilities (and possibly hypes up his haki even more than it had in the prior chapters).

                      If what people claim about Crocodile is true, that he doesn't have the feats to match the Straw Hats in the last two years, then yeah, his bounty seems a tad high. Yet, we are nothing if not ignorant to what he's been up to for the last two years. I'll give Oda the benefit of the doubt on it, especially considering that he took part in Marineford and that probably at least places him in that 500,000,000 range.

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                        @IAmTheMilkman The Franky thing, I agree that it's most likely plot of some kind, but I didn't want to discount the possibility of it being a gag. I can't imagine what the government gets from changing it deliberately though. The General Franky was already obscuring his face, so it can't be that much of an identity thing.

                        Dragon was in Loguetown when we first saw him. I can't think of anything connecting the Revs to Alabasta so far in the story.

                        Next part of the story, whether it's a full traditional arc or just a prelude to the final saga, has to take place somewhere, and that's what I really want to know about. There's no chance the crew's spending the rest of the series at sea.

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                          I'm surprised that we did this much backstory about how the Cross Guild came to be but it made for an enjoyable chapter. And it's always great to see Crocodile again. That as much as he is by far my favorite One Piece character I have to say, it's just weird for him to have that much a higher bounty than Katakuri. As matter of fact, there's too many billions thrown around in this chapter. Replace "Jimini Jillickers" for "Billion" and you get how I feel. 😉

                          Also the Chopper bounty joke just needs to die. Yes, it was funny at first isn't something works well as a running gag and with all that happened in front of a big crowd it's ridiculous that he isn't treated as full fledged Strawhat Pirate. Heck, didn't the narration in this very chapter speak of the 5,600 men strong pirate fleet and the 9 commanders of which Chopper obviously is one? And then within this mindset he still get's treated as a pet? That's inconsistency in the chapter itself. Not to mention that I would even get the pet of an actual emperor a higher bounty if not for the single fact that I want to get it captured in hopes to lure out the emperor himself. It's just dumb.

                          Also the Sunny face for Franky came out of nowhere and made no sense.

                          All that aside still an enjoyable chapter. Btw, are the Marines using Kuma to spy on the Revolutionaries. I mean he has no will of his own so if they planted a bug in him, he wouldn't be even able to tell. The entire Kuma situation is still one of the most intreguing parts for me. Like what happened to him and why did he seemingly let it happen. What's the endgame he's playing? What's Vegapunks agenda here. I'd really like to get more info about that.

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                            the unusual bounty poster have always been used for plot device, so it is normal to think Franky 's one hints something. If it is just a gag it is a bit weird though. I know some people have said the joke hinted to the SBS future frankies so i wonder if we will get more explanation

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                              @Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                              All that aside still an enjoyable chapter. Btw, are the Marines using Kuma to spy on the Revolutionaries. I mean he has no will of his own so if they planted a bug in him, he wouldn't be even able to tell. The entire Kuma situation is still one of the most intreguing parts for me. Like what happened to him and why did he seemingly let it happen. What's the endgame he's playing? What's Vegapunks agenda here. I'd really like to get more info about that.

                              I was surprised how the marines were able to intercept the communication. In chapter 593, the revolutionaries were shown using special denden muchi to cipher their calls. There is also a possibility it is not the real Sabo who calls.

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                                @Kdom said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                @Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                All that aside still an enjoyable chapter. Btw, are the Marines using Kuma to spy on the Revolutionaries. I mean he has no will of his own so if they planted a bug in him, he wouldn't be even able to tell. The entire Kuma situation is still one of the most intreguing parts for me. Like what happened to him and why did he seemingly let it happen. What's the endgame he's playing? What's Vegapunks agenda here. I'd really like to get more info about that.

                                I was surprised how the marines were able to intercept the communication. In chapter 593, the revolutionaries were shown using special denden muchi to cipher their calls. There is also a possibility it is not the real Sabo who calls.

                                The interesting part in this scene is though not whether it's the real Sabo or not but rather that the Marines know the call is connecting to the Kamabaka kingdom. The Revolutionary base was well hidden in Vertigo until Burgess ruined it. But now its new location doesn't like as much of a secret anymore.

                                I'd like to know more details about this. Like are the tracking Sabo connecting to the Kamabaka kingdom for the first time now? Or have they been keeping an eye on them already in which case I wonder, why they didn't make a move on the Revolutionaries already? Yes, many things going on in the world right. But those pretty much connected to the revolutionary army anyways. Like kingdoms turning on the WG, Sabo raising a new wave of support, Cobra's supposed assassination and the clash to get Kuma back. All if this has connections with the Revo Army. I can understand, why they can't deal with Wano now. But not why not with the Revo's.

                                I really hope we get more info on how (long) they knew the Revo Army is at Kamabaka rather than it being a throwaway line without much consideration.

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                                  Once again Buggy proves he is one of the best characters in the story.

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                                    I've missed these kind of chapters. This is the part of each arc I enjoy the most, the intermissions and the set-up.

                                    Cross Guild is fantastic. Great to see Mihawk getting some spotlight. I was fearing he'd remain a mystery man who only sits back in his castle never doing anything, but seems he'll be taking a more active role from now on. It was nice to see the others too, especially Galdino interacting with Croc. I hope he stays on Buggy's side in the end, I enjoyed their friendship.

                                    Bounties are fun, less for the amount and more the interactions. Only one I'd nitpick is why Zoro is above Jinbei, but meh. Maybe whoever writes the bounties has a vendetta against swordsmen. It's also cool to see Buggy have less than Mihawk, a good reminder that bounties and emperors are different things and both are unreliable measurements of strength.

                                    Don't care too much about the revolutionaries, but I appreciate that Dragon was ready to oppose Sabo if it turned out he really did kill Cobra. It's notable how the citizens of Kamabakka barely appear, I'd like to think Oda realized he went too far with their designs and is trying to phase them out. But we'll see.

                                    My only complaint is that the translation felt a bit iffy. Maybe it's just because I'm tired, but there were a couple panels where I had to re-read the speech bubbles to try and understand. I wish they'd just write out the full number instead of the billion/million, though I can understand if people would have hard time counting the 0s.

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                                      You know what would be a great gag? If the marines for some reason lowered Chopper's bounty the next time they update them. "Ehhh even 1000 is too much, back to 100 it is" sort of thing.

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                                        Happy to see Katakuri (and I guess Oven also chimed in) was really beating those Germa asses to the ground before Gastino appeared. Niji in particular seems to have gotten the short end of the stick, and I can't say I'm sorry for him. I seem to recall some people speculating Oda was about to let the Germas defeat Katakuri and then escape, but that clearly was not an option.

                                        Now, I guess some might complain Gastino using a sneak gas attack portrays Katakuri as weak or wathever.

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                                          I was surprised we were already on chapter 17 of the cover story...

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                                            Speaking of the cover story, we still don't know who attacked Chocolat Town.

                                            Cracker and Brulee headed there to fight, and suddenly Ichiji and Reiju were already in Whole Cake Island rescuing Niji and Yonji.

                                            So, I guess the attack in Chocolat Town was a diversion, but by who?

                                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                              @Deicide said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                              So, I guess the attack in Chocolat Town was a diversion, but by who?

                                              I had initially assumed this was Reiju and Ichiji (Brulee does spot them through her mirror), who then took the mirror gateway in Chocolate Town and ended in Big Mom's castle.

                                              The part that puzzles me, however, is that we never saw who or what caused the book to catch on fire, because it clearly happens before Ichiji and Reiju break in through the wall. Maybe they crossed paths with Montdor and burned him, but I don't remember if he was with the Wano crew. Or it might have been someone else.

                                              Either way, Cracker alone should have been more than a match for the two siblings, so it's surprising that they managed to break through unless they had outside help. (Blackbeard is attacking Whole Cake ? The entire Germa army is there to take revenge ? Other ?)

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                                                Daddy Germa is my guess, too. Blackbeard would be the most exciting outcome, but I feel something huge like that wouldn't be left to the coverstory.

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                                                  @Seafarer33 I actually just had an interesting thought.

                                                  What if Judge cloned Ichiji and Reiju?

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                                                    Clearly the Chocolate Town attack was caused by Pedro.

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                                                      Stumbles in after spending the past week gathering up all his hopes and dreams for Yamato, locking them away in a box, then dropping that box into an actively burning furnace

                                                      Alright, now that I can discuss something that doesn't just leave me sad and disappointed...

                                                      It is SO very satisfying to see Crocodile back and being an absolute boss again. He's been my single favorite villain in the series since Alabasta, and being the real mastermind behind the Cross Guild makes perfect sense for a man who has a history of running large criminal organizations. Going to be interesting to see how the Croc-Mihawk-Buggy show develops from here on.

                                                      On the Revolutionary side of things, we've now got confirmation that Sabo was separated from the other Revolutionary commanders, as well as the pretty strong implication that the death of Nefertari Cobra was not an action Dragon had sanctioned - which, given that Cobra is/was known as a good man in spite of his family's ancient ties to the Celestial Dragons, isn't surprising to me. Whether Sabo is truly responsible for his death or is merely being framed is another matter entirely.

                                                      Regardless, seems like the Reverie fallout is finally flowing again, so with luck we'll get an update on what happened to Vivi in the relatively near future.

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                                                        @kouch_lee said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                        Daddy Germa is my guess, too. Blackbeard would be the most exciting outcome, but I feel something huge like that wouldn't be left to the coverstory.

                                                        I was against BB for the same reason, but after even Kid got a copy of the Road Poneglyphs I suppose Teach needs to get his hands on them as well... unless, of course, Kid having a copy of them is how Teach will get those.

                                                        Btw, how weird is it that Kid stole a copy of the poneglyph from one of the Sweet Commanders? It doesn't matter how I play this scene in my mind, nothing makes sense.

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                                                          @access-timeco A scenario I could imagine would be:
                                                          Big Mom is getting impatient with Pudding -> tells a Sweet General to seek the Man with the Burn Scar (if he's supposed to be someone who can read Poneglyphs, that's also how Kid could have learned about him), alternatively it could be the Sweet General heading for Three Eyed Tribe Island or wherever they are -> Kid intercepts him/her, steals the rubbing of the Poneglyph.

                                                          Still somewhat careless of course, but at this point I'm not considering it plot conveniance if the BM pirates are incompetent, it's just who they are.

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                                                            @access-timeco As much as I love them, Oda has played the Big Mom pirates as the butt of all jokes, so a friggin Sweet Commander being straight up forced by Kidd to hand over a copy of the Poneglyph sounds about right for them.Now, the whole procedure must've been convoluted as fuck (go back to WCI, get into the vault, copy the poneglyph, come back to our ship / island, hand over the copy, bye). Like, at some point during that process, said SG could've called for help?

                                                            I much prefer the idea that Smoothie fell in love with Killer and gave him a copy of the poneglyph with no one ever noticing. I think it was someone on this forum that came up with that and, screw it, it's gonna be my head cannon until proven wrong.

                                                            @cavendishsama said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                            @access-timeco A scenario I could imagine would be:
                                                            Big Mom is getting impatient with Pudding -> tells a Sweet General to seek the Man with the Burn Scar (if he's supposed to be someone who can read Poneglyphs, that's also how Kid could have learned about him), alternatively it could be the Sweet General heading for Three Eyed Tribe Island or wherever they are -> Kid intercepts him/her, steals the rubbing of the Poneglyph.

                                                            Or this, yeah. This makes sense.

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                                                              I also believe that Kid bribed/blackmailed a Sweet Commander to get the Lode Poneglyph, instead of simply punching the person into submission to go bring the copies.

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                                                                @theackwardstation He said he injured whoever it was, so he definitely metal punched someone.

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                                                                  I guess Buggy does seem like someone who'd end up with a bounty higher than Jack.

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                                                                    @access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                    Btw, how weird is it that Kid stole a copy of the poneglyph from one of the Sweet Commanders? It doesn't matter how I play this scene in my mind, nothing makes sense.

                                                                    I completely missed that had happened, much like how I didn't clock that apparently the Big Mom pirates abandoned their attempts to re-enter Wano, and instead ambushed CP0...and got the images of Nika Luffy...which they sold to Morgans?? I realize Oda needs to reorganize the pieces to keep the story engine running, but some of those movements are pretty bonkers.

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                                                                      @King-Cannon said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                      What if Judge cloned Ichiji and Reiju?

                                                                      An army of these two would be a sight to behold, for sure.
                                                                      It would also beg the question "why did he not do this earlier" (or at least, apply the same engineering his kids went through to the army of clones - maybe this was answered during WCI, though, I don't remember)

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                                                                        @access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                        Btw, how weird is it that Kid stole a copy of the poneglyph from one of the Sweet Commanders? It doesn't matter how I play this scene in my mind, nothing makes sense.

                                                                        While reading the chapter I thought, he did beat one so it made sense that the guy could have had a copy for whatever convenient reason, yet now you mention it...
                                                                        I remember that when Luffy & co reach Whole Cake Island one of the Sweet Commanders is out of commission after encountering a supernova, but was this Urouge's doing instead ?

                                                                        There's also that time all the way back to Fishman Island when Baron Egg suggests to take Luffy's offer for treasure because they need the cash after Kidd sank a bunch of their ships. The ships could have been one commander escorting an important package.

                                                                        Either way, it doesn't do anything to improve the clunkiness of the Wano epilogue

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                                                                          @cavendishsama said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                          @access-timeco A scenario I could imagine would be:
                                                                          Big Mom is getting impatient with Pudding -> tells a Sweet General to seek the Man with the Burn Scar (if he's supposed to be someone who can read Poneglyphs, that's also how Kid could have learned about him), alternatively it could be the Sweet General heading for Three Eyed Tribe Island or wherever they are -> Kid intercepts him/her, steals the rubbing of the Poneglyph.

                                                                          Still somewhat careless of course, but at this point I'm not considering it plot conveniance if the BM pirates are incompetent, it's just who they are.

                                                                          Whatever scenario of Kidd getting the poneglyph from a Sweet commander, is just too convenient and stupid. It’s just Oda going the easiest way to make Kidd relevant. Apparently he just said, I don’t have time to think too much crap.

                                                                          I have seen some people say that Big Mom pirates are a joke and this Kidd story just adds to it but the truth is that if you look at all the yonkos and their organization, Big Mom’s should be or should have been the best by far. Her main crew is constituted by her kids, many of whom are veterans in their 40s and with powerful fruits. She also had complete control of her territory unlike Kaido. Has she committed stupid mistakes, well other than hiring Bege, I can’t think of any. Luffy and a couple of strawhats besting her at WCI should not be seen as incompetence. Luffy’s the MC and he was gonna do that to anybody and he really had to struggle even with all the luck/help he could muster.

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                                                                            Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.

                                                                            It really looks like an endgame setup.

                                                                            We havent heard what Teach and Co have been up to, a Totto Land invasion sounds too big to go unmentioned this far, so I dont know what to think of them.

                                                                            I really hope Katakuri is not being troubled by a child kidnapper and some Ex-SS pretending to be Argentinians, he better does a powerful comeback next cover story.

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                                                                              Hey about Crocodile's sand, is that like a black haki streak going through it? Or was it always like that?

                                                                              Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯

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                                                                                This chapter is much better than the description, as per usual. Cross Guild seems neat, and will be interesting in the future. Also, the Sabo cliffhanger was good--looking forward to that in a few weeks.

                                                                                But I'm not loving Nami beating down Luffy like this. Sure, it's for laughs, but all Nami did in the 4 years of Wano was flash a bunch of people and steal a cloud--which she already did in Whole Cake Island. Why is this side character beating down Luffy. I'm still bitter from Wano, cause I feel like it hasn't payed off in the way it promised.

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                                                                                  @Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                  Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.

                                                                                  It really looks like an endgame setup.

                                                                                  Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.
                                                                                  They didn't went there with the rest of the Roger Pirates, but they were there when the crew figured out its location. Also, Shanks made it sound like he and Buggy could go there later by themselves and chapter 1054 reinforced the notion that the only reason Shanks didn't claimed the OP yet is because he didn't felt like it.

                                                                                  I wouldn't even be surprised if Shanks already went there as soon as his crew became strong enough to survive the New World, learned about the Void Century, and then started acting in order to help the future events unfold.

                                                                                  As for the Cross Guild, I figure it is only a matter of either Buggy realizing he now "has" a crew strong enough for this enterprise, or Crocodile realizing he has a former Roger Pirate with him.

                                                                                  It really feels like either of them can become Pirate King at any moment now while Luffy is still looking for the 4th RP (and we don't even know if Teach is bothering with the RP at all, much less having means to decode them).

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                                                                                    @RomanceDawn I'm not sure if that's intended to be haki, or if the tip of the sand wave just got so thin they couldn't draw the sand effect over it, making it look razor-sharp.

                                                                                    Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                      @access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                      As for the Cross Guild, I figure it is only a matter of either Buggy realizing he now "has" a crew strong enough for this enterprise, or Crocodile realizing he has a former Roger Pirate with him.

                                                                                      I think Croc already knows that. It didn't change his opinion on Buggy back in the prison escape ship, and he probably doesn't think Buggy knows anything anyway.

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                                                                                        I didn't said that he doesn't know that. The entire world knows Buggy was on the Roger Pirates. But I don't think he realized yet what that entails (that is, that he possibly has a cheat code to Laugh Tale clowning at his feet).

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                                                                                          @access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                          @Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                          Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.

                                                                                          It really looks like an endgame setup.

                                                                                          Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.

                                                                                          Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.

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                                                                                            @Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                            @access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                            @Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                            Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.

                                                                                            It really looks like an endgame setup.

                                                                                            Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.

                                                                                            Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.

                                                                                            I like to believe Oda wouldnt go there but I didnt think he would make buggy an emperor.

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                                                                                              @desa said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                              @Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                              @access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                              @Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                              Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.

                                                                                              It really looks like an endgame setup.

                                                                                              Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.

                                                                                              Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.

                                                                                              I like to believe Oda wouldnt go there but I didnt think he would make buggy an emperor.

                                                                                              Expected this to happen and still disappointed when it actually took place. Brace yourself for Buggy being considered the Pirate King when the story ends. 🤢

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                                                                                                @Ivotas Err come one. Look how much shit Buggy got for stupidly becoming an emperor....If he somehow became the king of the pirates, Oda would have to actually have him killed to make up for it...

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                                                                                                  @Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                  @desa said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                  @Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                  @access-timeco said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                  @Monquito said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                  Its definitely very logical that aside from Mihawk, no one else among Cross Guild or the Red Hair Pirates represent like a real-real obstacle in Luffy's path.

                                                                                                  It really looks like an endgame setup.

                                                                                                  Curiously, Shanks and Buggy are the only real contenders for the One Piece at this point, since there is a very high chance both of them know where Laugh Tale is and can go there and claim it whenever.

                                                                                                  Even since Oda decided to bring this piece of shit character back in Impel Down and making him even more unbearable than he already was I was setting myself up for disapointment in which that fucker and not Luffy will actually become Pirate King in the public eye. Doesn't mean that Luffy will not be the one to achieve all those things for the reader but Fucky will remain to be a the One Piece clown version of Mr. Satan until the story ends. If there's any OP character I could throw into the Roger Rabbit soup, it's this miserable excuse for a joke character.

                                                                                                  I like to believe Oda wouldnt go there but I didnt think he would make buggy an emperor.

                                                                                                  Expected this to happen and still disappointed when it actually took place. Brace yourself for Buggy being considered the Pirate King when the story ends. 🤢

                                                                                                  It's wild how two people can have such different reactions to a character because you just a wrote an ending to One Piece that would make me so happy. I love Buggy and I love his failing-to-the-top story. He's a true underdog.

                                                                                                  (btw i have a theory that the current four emperor set is one who Oda planned from the beginning, when he meant the story to last for five years only. or rather these four would be our endgame group)

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                                                                                                    Oda loves Buggy but he loves Luffy even more, so I don't think he would shit on Luffy's dream by having Buggy take the title.

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                                                                                                      @danie said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                      Oda loves Buggy but he loves Luffy even more, so I don't think he would shit on Luffy's dream by having Buggy take the title.

                                                                                                      Yeah I know, it's pretty far-fetched. One can hope, though!

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                                                                                                        @Bugs said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                        Dragon first appeared at Loguetown, where he saved Luffy from Smoker. In no way shape or form does he have anything to do with Arabasta, even when a civil war might seem ideal for Rev. activity.

                                                                                                        @Captain-M said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                        Dragon was in Loguetown when we first saw him. I can't think of anything connecting the Revs to Alabasta so far in the story.

                                                                                                        Ahhhh, yes, my memory was even worse than I suspected. The time for a full re-read is nigh.

                                                                                                        @Captain-M said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                        @IAmTheMilkman The Franky thing, I agree that it's most likely plot of some kind, but I didn't want to discount the possibility of it being a gag. I can't imagine what the government gets from changing it deliberately though. The General Franky was already obscuring his face, so it can't be that much of an identity thing.

                                                                                                        My thought was that maybe General Franky showcases some mech that Vegapunk doesn't want out there for the world to see, and only alerted the World Government to this fact after having seen the wanted poster after they sent it out. But again, why they would choose the Sunny instead... I have no idea.

                                                                                                        @Captain-M said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

                                                                                                        Next part of the story, whether it's a full traditional arc or just a prelude to the final saga, has to take place somewhere, and that's what I really want to know about. There's no chance the crew's spending the rest of the series at sea.

                                                                                                        Oh yeah, in no way was I trying to imply that they would spend the rest of the series at sea, I was saying that maybe we wouldn't end up shifting focus to a new island completely and ignoring the rest of the world like usual.

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