@theackwardstation said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas lol, I don't think Oda wrote things like this (with Kawamatsu jailed) only for the sake of a barf joke... and I also don't agree that creating Onimaru does any harm to Kawamatsu's character either. On the contrary, I think one of the best ways to build a character is through their relationships, and this sidestory with Onimaru is super good for Kawamatsu. The inheritted will of the fox because of Kawamatsu's kind heart and passion is effective, beautiful and surprising.
Thing is though we already had enough to set up with Kawamatsu with him being the one to take care of Hyori first. The fox is not the only way to accomplish that thing. If anything it's another waste of space to have to things for Kawamatsu in both Hyori and the fox. One is enough, especially, if the reunion get's dealt with in a throwaway panel.
@realtenchu said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:
That's exactly the point I'm making. We didn't need to have it that way. Asura Doji and Denjiro did set up things their way for two decades. Kawamatsu on the other hand has been captured which lead to creating a new character, which accomplishes what Kawamatsu couldn't for the sole reason to get a silly barf joke. What have we laughed!
The story aswell have been written in a way, where Kawamatsu has been collecting the swords during the time span of 20 years. Again, less time wasted and no silly barf jokes.
What did ashura doji set up?.
If I remember correctly his followers committed suicide at the 10 year mark and he gave up, said fuk Oden and went back to his old ways before he met Oden. He was even attacking poor civilians. He had a lot resentment against the akazaya and didn’t want to do any raid.
The one thing wrong I see with onimaru story is that he hid and didn’t reunite when Kawamatsu saw him at the bridge, I have no idea why Oda did that.
Didn't Asura also gather people that are part of the raid? I'm not saying it has been handled elegantly, with all the mountain bandid stuff that have been attacking villagers. But wasn't there this surprise reveal that they were still waiting for the promised day? Yes, many of his followers went on a suicide mission at the 10 year mark but not all of them. Denjiro brought only his Yakuza and the imprisoned samurai. But the invading army already consisted of quite a number of people before that. And those were not only minks and Strawhats and some random villagers. I was sure that there were plenty of Asura's people amongst them too.
Also wasn't it Asura who got the plans of Onigashima in the first place? Furthermore, unless I'm utterly mistaken, wasn't it him that provided the ships, that needed to be made battle ready for the invasion?
But I agree with the overall outlook, that it wasn't handled well at all. Asura was shown to be a complete asshole who turned their back on the mission until, surprise reveal, "I actually do care for everyone and I have been waiting for you. It only was really really painful".
I mean, what can I even say at this point, we're pretty much arguing that Wano was lackluster by throwing even more aspects in at how it was lackluster. If anything this even a further point to show actually spend time to handle one of the Red Scabbards well than a fox that doesn't need to be there in the first place.