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    • Ivotas
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      Chapter 232 is out

      ! This one felt like being over in a minute yet it worked really well for me. The momet was "captured in the vortex" was a nice way to visualize a moment/world he enjoys like nothing else. Most likely he never felt as extatic before. And while I still don't like the character it feels that now he actually clicked for me. And then the reveal that he's actually getting beaten to a pulptotally surprised me. Worked so well because of the vortex thingy.
      ! Also Mikey just brutalized Takemichi. Really curious to see where this goes next.

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        ! I just don’t get what the end goal is here for Mikey and how he became so numb. Is this suppose to show what not having true friends does to you? Or is it supposed to say that people inherently have this darkness within them?

        Originally Posted by Nightwing

        Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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          ! I just don’t get what the end goal is here for Mikey and how he became so numb. Is this suppose to show what not having true friends does to you? Or is it supposed to say that people inherently have this darkness within them?

          ! I don't know but I would say it's rather a case of darkness that builds up because of a traumatic experience and what it can turn a person into if not taken care of fully. And throwing a tantrum to let of some steam would take you only so far but it will never let you come to terms with reality. But I might be totally off here.

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            ! Honestly, I'm getting increasingly disheartened. On the plus side, this chapter did make South click for me as well ; the vortex thing and being so numbed by it that he doesn't realize how bad a state he is in, it felt better than anything he'd done before. I'm still annoyed that he's there at all, but at least now his presence is tied to the main plot.
            However, Mikey is pretty much a lost cause to me. In retrospect, what has he ever done that would be deserving of either my sympathy or all the good people who gave up their lives for him ? Bali had guts and was trying to protect his friends. Mikey's sister was one of the rare few sane characters in this mayhem. Draven as well, and the story of his life gets to me much more than Mikey's. But Mr I-break-my-friend's-arm-Dark Impulses ? Until he does something to redeem himself and get ourselves out of this shithole of a timeline, I'll keep regretting we didn't stick with his crimelord future self.

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              ! Honestly, I'm getting increasingly disheartened. On the plus side, this chapter did make South click for me as well ; the vortex thing and being so numbed by it that he doesn't realize how bad a state he is in, it felt better than anything he'd done before. I'm still annoyed that he's there at all, but at least now his presence is tied to the main plot.
              However, Mikey is pretty much a lost cause to me. In retrospect, what has he ever done that would be deserving of either my sympathy or all the good people who gave up their lives for him ? Bali had guts and was trying to protect his friends. Mikey's sister was one of the rare few sane characters in this mayhem. Draven as well, and the story of his life gets to me much more than Mikey's. But Mr I-break-my-friend's-arm-Dark Impulses ? Until he does something to redeem himself and get ourselves out of this shithole of a timeline, I'll keep regretting we didn't stick with his crimelord future self.

              I would say it's the entirw strong and charismatic leader with a purpose thing that he's gotten going on for him. Back then he had a clear goal to make Touman the number one gang while having a clear moral code about which things he considers a no go. And even though Takemichi is the character that has had the most impact in developments because of standing up for things he believes in, it's Mikey who pretty mich legitimizes it by actually taking the guys down that are on the verge of rendering Takemichis attempts fruitless. Or in simpler terms, he gets shit done. People like that. Of course all kinds are attracted by such a figure, not just goodhearted people. And now Mikey is seemingly surrounded by exactly such guys so the positive aspects about his character have gotten either ignored ir extinguished and the result is the person we see right in front of us now.

              I also have no idea where this all is going right now. But it's clear that Mikey wants to be saved. It's his future self who sent Takemichi back to the past in the end.

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                Chapter 234 is out

                ! We're finally past the battle section of this arc and hopefully we can now get to a juicy part where we can actually see where this all is going, respectively what the point if it all is. One thing I hope someone can clarify. Did Takemichi tell Chifuyu about the most recent future he was in? I can't remember and I'm just wondering how Chifuyu knows that Draken was supposed to be ok then.

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                  ! The narrator bubble in the introduction mentions that incident claimed 2 lives. Draven obviously. Is South a gonner as well, then, or am I forgetting someone ? Unless it's intentionally misleading and we learn later on that some nobody was unlucky yet South lives on.
                  I'm in the dark as well about Chifuyu and what he knows. At least it's a good thing that the characters too think Bakamichi coming to the past again is bullshit and one jump too much.
                  I'm (not) looking forward to what he can achieve next when neither help of the much more capable Draven nor following his visions have done any good.

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                    ! The narrator bubble in the introduction mentions that incident claimed 2 lives. Draven obviously. Is South a gonner as well, then, or am I forgetting someone ? Unless it's intentionally misleading and we learn later on that some nobody was unlucky yet South lives on.
                    I'm in the dark as well about Chifuyu and what he knows. At least it's a good thing that the characters too think Bakamichi coming to the past again is bullshit and one jump too much.
                    I'm (not) looking forward to what he can achieve next when neither help of the much more capable Draven nor following his visions have done any good.

                    ! Iirc it was stated the previous chapter that South is indeed Mooooortooooooo!
                    ! As far as Chifuyu calling Takemichi out I will have to say wether it's ok nor not ok to do so really depends on what he knows of the future. If Takemichi told him then it's ok to react like that. If he didn't then it's kinda stupid because unlike the reader Chifuyu should be in the unclear what the future holds. Might aswell be that everyone is dead and Takemichi came back to fix this. That's why I asked if Takemichi told him as I don't remember.

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                      Man so far

                      ! this time loop sucks.

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                        Chapter 241 is out…

                        ! Well, that was rather unexpected of Mikey. I mean him developing a dark side after his brothers death is not surprising but having been a jerk even at this age is not something I expected to be the case. Still unsure where all of this is going.

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                          shit I didn't find it today, thought it was deleted.
                          Still, this is the worst loop.

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                            I agree with you. I still do believe that this loop was planned before instead of tacked on as some things were hinted at in earlier loops and never resolved. But this doesn't mean that this isn't a terrible loop so far.

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                              Honestly everything 'till Kisaki final loop felt consistent. Even ending in a bittersweet conclusion (you can't save all). Why force another loop that indicate that will have even more causalities.

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                                Honestly everything 'till Kisaki final loop felt consistent. Even ending in a bittersweet conclusion (you can't save all). Why force another loop that indicate that will have even more causalities.

                                I would say because to the author the "if I ever deserve it, give me a good lecture as my brother would have done" promise between Mikey and Takemichi. I know I'm roughly paraphrasing from memory but I'm sure, that this is a big plot point for the author. I hiwever would have hoped that this happens within the Kisaki related loops, because the current loop is pretty much destroying the positive future many had, with some dying and others putting their dream career on the line. I still believe that at this point we go for a Butterfly Effect like ending, where the protagonist will jave to take the bullet for everyone else to be happy.

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                                  The more loops we do the less I find Mikey worth saving…

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                                    This some type of Tokyo Revenge Gang.

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                                      This some type of Tokyo Revenge Gang.

                                      Well it is called Tokyo Revengers after all.

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                                        Well it is called Tokyo Revengers after all.

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                                          Sorry, I'm German. We don't understand jokes. Only how to state the obvious.

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                                            Really, really, the worst loop.

                                            "So this time I'm going to reach to Mikey with another giant gang war , because it has worked out so well before"
                                            Calling it, Takemichi has secretely been jealous of his friends and was trying to get them killed all along. :ninja:

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                                              At this point I'm quite sure he's into S&M. The others are just delinquents who like to fight but Takemichi clearly can't get enough of getting beaten up and humiliated.

                                              Still all joking aside, even with the terrible loop this is the one thing I like about having a character who's actually weaker than everyone else and still isn't chickening out of a fight. This is how Usopp should be in One Piece this late in the story.

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                                                Still all joking aside, even with the terrible loop this is the one thing I like about having a character who's actually weaker than everyone else and still isn't chickening out of a fight. This is how Usopp should be in One Piece this late in the story.

                                                It is a trait of the character that I do enjoy. All this time has passed and he didn't undergo any shonen-style power-up ; he is still the weak guy that makes up for it with an unbending will and relies on his friends to do the heavy lifting.
                                                I would argue that Usopp's recent exhortation to Kinemon and Kiku is very much that, too. "Look at me, I'm frightened to death with snot running from my nose, but I still don't give up and face (run away from) whatever's coming at me".

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                                                  It is a trait of the character that I do enjoy. All this time has passed and he didn't undergo any shonen-style power-up ; he is still the weak guy that makes up for it with an unbending will and relies on his friends to do the heavy lifting.
                                                  I would argue that Usopp's recent exhortation to Kinemon and Kiku is very much that, too. "Look at me, I'm frightened to death with snot running from my nose, but I still don't give up and face (run away from) whatever's coming at me".

                                                  The thing is that with Oda's track record can be undone the very next arc. I have no problems with Usopp being the physically weakest Strawhat Pirate. But she long should have found his courage. He found it at Arlong Park, then at Whiskey Peak, in Arabasta. And then again Skypiea, in Water Seven and Enies Lobby. And the most recent one being Dressrosa, where he ran away yet again only for him to find his courage again (only for that to lead to being off-screen beaten by Trebol. It just doesn't add up. And in Wano he tried to convince Nami to lie to Ulti to save her own skin.

                                                  One could say that in this instance he was thinking of Nami and not himself. That might be true. But the we have to remember that he told Chopper that at some point they (not Usopp specifically but true companions) just shall not remain silent, when someone talks ill of their companions, respectively their captain. He literallymotivated Chopper and himself into not giving up even after beaten up badly. Not because they want to win the fight but because Miss Merrychristmas spoke ill of Luffy. And yet here we are at Wano where he's willing to let Ulti talk ill of Luffy to save his own skin. It's like we hit a reset button with Usopp each new arc.

                                                  If he'd only half as much of an unbending will as Takemichi, it would easily be my favortie character arc of all the Strawhats. But he's pretty much the same as before only with more experience. It just doesn't add up.

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                                                    You do have a point. At some time in the past I thought Sogeking would be the end of coward Usopp - that the mask would help him put aside his fears - except it wasn't.
                                                    I don't dislike that he is still afraid to this day, though, even if it's overdone at times. I agree that his compromising attitude with Ulti is a problem compared to his past resolutions, but other than that Usopp is someone courageous in my eyes precisely because he keeps battling against his own cowardice. He is always frightened yet keeps pushing forward, he didn't simply forget about fear one day. I do understand that it can be frustrating because it feels like stagnation on some level.

                                                    Whereas Takemichi was always willing to take a beating from day 1 - it's maybe his one quality as a fighter. Like Usopp he is weak and aware of his shortcomings, but my current impression of him is that unlike Usopp he always stood up unflinching no matter what was coming. He never needed to find his courage, because he had it all along.

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                                                      Usopp does keep pushing forward in the end, that's true. What's however kind of a stagnation is that we have to watch him trying to run away from a fight again. Like in Dressrosa where he ran away only to once again come back to fight in order to protect the Drawves. And after all he's been through, it's not much to expect that he can do without the running away part. He doesn't need to jump into a fight with stronger enemies being excited like Luffy or Zoro. But at least having a bit of a "there's no other way around it" attitude rather than a "run away and abandon everyone and everything" attitude.

                                                      My memory might be of with Takemichi but I do think that in the beginning he wasn't that determined to actually confront the strong opponents. He was determined to change the future and confronted the the strong guys when needed. But unless I'm utterly mistaken I don't remember him fully embracing the direct confrontation route. I mean he was pretty much a loser at the beginning of the manga because he never fought for anything.

                                                      Be that as it may, if Usopp would act like Takemichi is now he'd definitely be someone worthy of the title "brave warrior of the sea". Until a couple of years ago I thought that we're never going to see a piece by piece development into a brave character throughout the arc and just have him be a brave warrior of the sea at the end of the series. But lately I think that we will be robbed of even this outcome and he'll always stay as he is and people will simply be telling stories about him and his bravery. The God Usopp thing is one thing that makes me believe so. The other thing is that Buggy actually crossed the seas with Roger (even though not being there at Laugh Tale) and being a pirate decades after that and yet still being a coward, he uses trickery to achieve his goals and only attacks guys that are weaker then him. I know Buggy and Usopp are not the same but still, this really makes me worried somehow about never have an Usopp who just doesn't run away, respectively compromise the attitude he actually already displayed pre-timeskip.

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                                                        Oh, right, I had forgotten that in the first place, Takemichi was a complete loser before he starts the loops. The scene that left a lasting impression on me is the first time he meets Mikey and Draken, when he lets someone beat him close to unconscious (was he trying to protect a friend ?). I registered it as a sign that he had an iron resolve, but it's possible he did this hesitantly and as a last resort, I'd have to re-read the early chapters. Plus, getting beaten to death is also something Usopp was always good at, for him it's indeed the not-running-away that's difficult.

                                                        And yeah, I don't have my hopes too high either for whatever Usopp (and the weakling trio at large) will achieve in the remaining part of One Piece.

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                                                            ! Ok, that's definitely too much from battle to battle going on here. I know that I myself was a defender of the final arc since it seems that there were a couple of plot threads remaining. But if the mangaka can't seem to resolve those with something interesting in between the big battles, then perhaps it should have been resolved in the previous loop?

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                                                              Yeah. Any interest the extra loop could still have held quickly went down the drain… Meh.

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                                                                Another big brawl.

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                                                                  Not much to comment on I guess.

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                                                                    Not much to comment on I guess.

                                                                    No comments: The Arc.

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                                                                      What is there even to say. Takemichi & co are trying the same as before, one big brawl and no plans, except with less people and worse odds. But this time it's going to work…Because reasons? Meh.

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                                                                        The madlad actually did it.
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                                                                          Power of friendship upgrade and everything. So glad to be reading this :getlost:

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                                                                            Nope, that's not how it works. At least so far the Tokyo Revengers world has not be established like a place where power ups like this are possible. I have no problem if Takemichi actually gets stronger but not by this much. That's totally a manga power up. And it destroys what made him unique amongst manga protagonists. Let's just make this loop a dream sequence and have the manga end where it did after defeating Kisaki.

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                                                                              I mean, he got beaten up so many time, so many broken bones, that his bones and muscles became more sturdy. He was beaten into shape.

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                                                                                That would definitely have toughed up his ability as a taker. But there's been not much justifying such a growth in strenght of his offensive abilities.

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                                                                                  It's so sudden, too. The arc started with following prophetic visions of key people and events, but it's all thrown down the drain and in place we have one big brawl to end all brawls. Except this time Takemichi is a new character and Mikey won't wipe the floor with him because Rule of Cool ? -_-
                                                                                  Maybe author changed their plans and is gearing up for the finale.

                                                                                  Either way you can count me in on the dream sequence.

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                                                                                    Heating up
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                                                                                      Can somebody remind me again who Kakucho actually is? I have no memory of him being tied to Takemichi's past. I remember only Kisaki.

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                                                                                        Can somebody remind me again who Kakucho actually is? I have no memory of him being tied to Takemichi's past. I remember only Kisaki.

                                                                                        Takemichi's friend that lived in the same building as Mikey's adopted step brother that formed the Yokohama gang.

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                                                                                          Takemichi's friend that lived in the same building as Mikey's adopted step brother that formed the Yokohama gang.

                                                                                          Thanks for the info. I totally forgot that there's this connection between the two and still don't remember even now.^^'

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                                                                                            Corona break.
                                                                                            https://mangadex.org/chapter/c4c46afd-945c-4743-8abf-52f3363a015a/1

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                                                                                            • Ivotas
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                                                                                              That sucks. Means it'll take even longer before we are done with this.

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                                                                                              • pariston_hill
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                                                                                                The mess is back
                                                                                                https://mangadex.org/chapter/bebe74f9-3a98-4b25-b08c-113d6c9a168f/1

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                                                                                                • Ivotas
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                                                                                                  Bleh, should have stayed in limbo a little longer.

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                                                                                                  • Seafarer33
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                                                                                                    My appreciation of the series is still in lockdown :ninja:

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                                                                                                    • pariston_hill
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                                                                                                      I think we all want the loop to resolve the fastest way possible.

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                                                                                                      • Ivotas
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                                                                                                        Seems like the author wants the exact opposite with his sudden decision to celebrate each pairing exessivly as if this was One Piece.

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