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Chapter 967: Roger's Adventure
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What a chapter..!
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The translation is so much clearer.
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What an amazing chapter. I just had to smile at that panel of Roger laughing.
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I appreciate the much better translation, lulz. There were lots of really…not-right stuff in the spoiler versions.
Did we already know that Roger's crew liked to sing "Binks's Sake" too? We knew Shanks and his crew did, so it makes sense that it was thanks to being on Roger's crew, just can't remember if that was already common knowledge or not. Either way, that's fun.
Lulz, "Genghis Baan". Since the VIZ version does translate the names of the Minks, I guess that one works fairly well.
It's interesting that factories were already springing up at the time Oden briefly came back to Wano. I thought Kin'emon's explanation in Act 1 of the 20-year time jump kind of made it sound like the factories were a new thing that appeared during that timeskip, but while I'm sure there were many more afterwards and that was when the pollution got bad, looks like Orochi was already starting to drive things to shit even before that, including the factories.
Loved those panels of Roger and his whole crew laughing. More excited than ever to find out the truth of what the One Piece is and what's on that final island.
At this point, my guess is that, even though Roger and his crew intended the island to be called "Laugh Tale", the World Gov purposely permuted it to "Raftel" because they were afraid that Roger's name for it would give away more than they wanted it to. Seems a little flimsy--"Laugh Tale" doesn't really tell you much without context--but the WG is paranoid enough that you can probably still make it work, and it would be a nice explanation, in-universe and out, for why everyone's known it as "Raftel" all this time. Though maybe that would only be in the English translation; I dunno if the original Japanese version just had it read the same way all along, even if the readers themselves may not have known.
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Cutty Flam. My old friend….
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The Laugh Tale hype can hardly get any bigger, but Oda's continual refusal to not tell us about Scopper has my mind racing. Great chapter!
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Cutty Flam. My old friend….
I still wonder who his parents are? The possibilities are pretty limitless, and though I don't think it'll be Big Mom, it isn't out of the realm of possibilities.
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Unless it becomes a huge factor in future events, Franky´s pirate parents are as relevant as Nami´s biological parents
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Unless it becomes a huge factor in future events, Franky´s pirate parents are as relevant as Nami´s biological parents
Or as relevant as Sanji's pre-Zeff parents? I would be fine if we never found out about them, but I'm sure Oda knows who they are. I think he keeps stuff like that open just in case he does want to use it.
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Mangaplus continues to be a joke of a website, the last spread was cut in half for me
Not to mention the final page which was very awkward with part of Roger hat lol
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Or as relevant as Sanji's pre-Zeff parents? I would be fine if we never found out about them, but I'm sure Oda knows who they are. I think he keeps stuff like that open just in case he does want to use it.
Who became a huge factor in the story…
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Mangaplus continues to be a joke of a website, the last spread was cut in half for me
That´s just you, works both horizontally and vertically
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That´s just you, works both horizontally and vertically
Yes apparently this bug happens when you switch from vertical to horizontal, you have to refresh the page for it to work.
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I kept the comments I had for the chapter for when the official (proper) translation came out… but that was over a week ago and I forgot most of it.
Anyways...
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This flashback REALLY made me like Roger. Before I kinda liked him by association (whenever he appeared it meant Buggy would get at least a cameo), but right now I love his character. A lot of people mentioned how much he sounds like Luffy, but to me he sounds more like a mid-term between Luffy and Teach. It's like the three of them come from the same original build, but while Luffy is that made into a good guy and Teach is that made into a villain, Roger is the middle ground.
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Wtf? Is that Tequila Wolf? Isn't it in East Blue? Or there are multiple bridges being build (maybe the other end of Tequila Wolf's bridge)?
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You know, I don't get some things. We can see in this chapter Roger got the title of Pirate King before he went to Laugh Tale... so what exactly gave him the title? Also, since Lodestar was believed to be the final island, why people didn't consider he conquered the Grand Line (and started calling him Pirate King) when he got there 14 years before?
Mangaplus continues to be a joke of a website, the last spread was cut in half for me
Not to mention the final page which was very awkward with part of Roger hat lol
It was like that when I first opened it, but then looked fine when I reloaded. Thought it was something they fixed but apparently not?
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It was like that when I first opened it, but then looked fine when I reloaded. Thought it was something they fixed but apparently not?
It's very inconsistent.. probably the way the site loads the images.
Good translation, bad experience.
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I hate to admit, but this time I was glad I went to read the shitty translation first. Despite all the mistakes it had, the Roger scene was conveyed just fine (and like I commented on the spoiler thread, I think the panel with him laughing is probably the strongest in One Piece so far) and that was the main thing with the chapter. The official translation was great, but the website completely ruined the scene for me by mismatching the pages.
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Were Sea Kings always called Neptunians?
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In the official version, yes. Apparently the Japanese is literally Sea Kings but it was changed.
I thought neptunians were people of Neptune at first lol
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Boy that felt good! Now I didn't count pages, but it's been a loooong time since a chapter felt that rich and crammed to the brim with details and winks to locations and people we previously met.
It leaves a bittersweet taste, though, because with Roger's adventure complete I feel like we've taken a huuuuge step forward narratively speaking. Like we're turning the last page of a key chapter and suddenly a whole decade is coming to a close; One Piece has one less mystery to tell. -
Were Sea Kings always called Neptunians?
Yea that threw me off. I'm fine with the official translation, but stuff like that just bugs me.
That said, Genghis Baan is fantastic.
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Who became a huge factor in the story…
Which is my point. We didn't need info about Sanji's actual parents any more than we needed Franky's, or better yet, there wasn't a gaping hole in Sanji's characterization that needed fixing through meeting the Vinsmokes, any more than there is for Sanji. We learned the origin of a few trivial traits (like his skill with a sword), but actually found out that the majority of his meaningful character traits came from Zeff, including the ones that people don't like. Similarly, there aren't any character holes in Franky that need fixing, but there are trivial things that could be answered or certain traits (like pervertedness) that could be reinforced.
We don't know if anything is necessary unless Oda writes it, though, so you never know, but it's not that hard to imagine all the most important Whole Cake things happening without the Vinsmoke plot. It could have been Jinbe kidnapped in Luffy's place, or Nami captured to be married by some random parents.
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Looks like viz is going with "Laugh Tale" in quotation marks. They're going to run with "Roger called it that, but the populace missed the joke."
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Also, since Lodestar was believed to be the final island, why people didn't consider he conquered the Grand Line (and started calling him Pirate King) when he got there 14 years before?
Because thats the last place the compasses led to, but upon getting there they went crazy. It clearly wasn't the ACTUAL last stop part of the round trip.
Were Sea Kings always called Neptunians?
That's a choice Viz made 20 years ago that the current translation is stuck with, much like Zolo.
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It's very inconsistent.. probably the way the site loads the images.
Good translation, bad experience.
Lol I like their reader more than Viz's, my only problem with M+ is their image quality. In Viz's I have to zoom in on each and every page.. sigh.. I still read on viz because of the higher image quality.
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So two weeks until the next chapter?
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What a chapter.
In…let's say 6 years, I hope I'll laugh like Roger did.
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God I hope we will be spared from another Straw Hat backstory, at least if it feels as forced/convenient as Sanji's.
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Genghis Baan is an amazing translation. Top work by Stephen.
Also one thing I'm only noticing now in that amazing chapter is the absence of Denjiro when they're back in Wano.
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Reading M+, I just realized that in that panel before arriving at W7, Shank and Buggy wear the same cloth they wear when they were arguing in chapter 19.
So this might mean that its the same event. If that was the case, this mean that Buggy still havent eat Bara Bara no mi. But in chapter 0, during Battle of Edd War that happened 3 years before Roger's execution, Shank's dialogue suggesting that Buggy already had his devil fruit power.. -
Tale full of laughs doesn’t sit well with me. It implies that the treasure is such while that is not what Roger says
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Best chapter of OP in years!!! Truly nice!!!
I read it listening binks no sake. Here the link in case someone wants to listen to it:
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No Vander Decken…
missed chance. I thought it was him destroying the entrance to Gyogin island.
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No Vander Decken…
missed chance. I thought it was him destroying the entrance to Gyogin island.
Shirahoshi wasn't born at the time so….
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Shirahoshi wasn't born at the time so….
but didn't several Vander Deckens constantly bullied Gyojin island in search for Poseidon?
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I'm not one for big theories, but I think One Piece has to be some means of transportation to a place beyond the oceans (in one way or another), either that, or something that could potentially change the entire sea. It has to be something that Roger's illness kept him from utilizing, but that was worth it even if being left behind. I'm so utterly intrigued by all of it.
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but didn't several Vander Deckens constantly bullied Gyojin island in search for Poseidon?
Either of them that must be around is IX or VIII and it's same to assume both of them are Fishman enough to enter or leave Fishman Island.
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Whoa did Franky see Roger.
Shirley was a prophet at age 3 what?
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Weird coincidence, it's been almost exactly 14 years since we saw Clover die before he could reveal the name of the ancient kingdom (which I'm now assuming would have been Laugh Tale's original name).
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2 versions don't mention WB and 1 does. Things like this are why multiple translations are necessary
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It is still weird to me how people believed Roger's words of navigating the whole grand line without much of a proof.
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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Walking around with no pants and they are both blunt. Oden builds wharfs and Franky builds a lot of things. Oden could tell and was attracted to Franky
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Again mentioning Franky's family, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up meeting them in the future
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- You know, I don't get some things. We can see in this chapter Roger got the title of Pirate King before he went to Laugh Tale… so what exactly gave him the title? Also, since Lodestar was believed to be the final island, why people didn't consider he conquered the Grand Line (and started calling him Pirate King) when he got there 14 years before?
Actually, no.
Oda inverted the order he presented the events (first the newspapers, then Oden reminiscing about the day the arrived at Laugh Tale), but Roger is being called the Pirate King because he reached the end of the Grand Line.
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My reaction to the final panel of the chapter is basically this.
But also what will I say about the chapter that many people had already talked about? First things first? The part where they went to Water 7 confirms that Franky knew who Oden is but either doesn't give a flying fuck about it or just thinks he's some random guy (Assuming alongside Roger at the time) the part where Oden had to leave his wife and kids behind on his home island of Wano where the factories are already in full force. Neptune wasn't even a king yet (Confirming before he was king his father is most likely the legend himself Saturn may exist at one point.) Buggy getting sick explains why he never went to Laugh Tale in the first place and the reveal that Joy Boy may have created the One Piece seal the deal on how important Joy Boy really is hence why Gol D. Roger named the last island Laugh Tale because whatever they were laughing at the island means it is something only Luffy can handle.
How can Oda even top this stuff? Will he connect Elbaf to the One Piece even more? (Giant back then were kinda the enemies of the World Government and the CD's themselves so who knows if had they not killed the giant pirates would a war with the giants end the World Government range?)
Either way I'm guessing next chapter we will see what will sadly happen to Oden and get back to the war that Orochi tired to prevent from happening.
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Looks like viz is going with "Laugh Tale" in quotation marks. They're going to run with "Roger called it that, but the populace missed the joke."
Because thats the last place the compasses led to, but upon getting there they went crazy. It clearly wasn't the ACTUAL last stop part of the round trip.
But do people know that there is a final island beyond lodestar? If they dont know then why nobody reached lodestar when it was just navigation? The likes of WB, Linlin should have been able to do it. But if people know that there is one last island then how do they know?
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But do people know that there is a final island beyond lodestar? If they dont know then why nobody reached lodestar when it was just navigation? The likes of WB, Linlin should have been able to do it. But if people know that there is one last island then how do they know?
Depends on how common the Voice of all Things was at that time. Roger only found out that there is a last island through the voice of Poneglyphs. Maybe there were rumors though. Oharan people should have known. The island where Buggy gets sick could be Lodestar. Looks quite inhabited.
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First thing to say about this one, and it sucks that it has to be a negative, is that someone has really dropped the ball with the release timing for this one. Absolutely no avoiding spoilers. And every year the first issue leaks super early, so Shueisha must have known it would happen here as well. Would have been smart to move up the release of the digital version with that in mind, or at least not let the English release be so many days behind the Japanese one. And the whole thing with taking down scan sites might have gone a little smoother without this long delay so soon after it happening. Give people a bit more time to transition before the annual first issue delay shakes their faith. Just feels like there should have been some way to manage this better.
The colour spread is… not my favourite. The Arashi boys are deeply uncanny, and a lot of the bobble head Strawhats aren't super appealing either. It is cute the way the Arashi ship is holding hands with Merry and Sunny at the bottom though, and Jinbe's presence leads me to believe we'll be getting back to him very soon after the flashback ends. Interesting to put him in his Marineford outfit though. I would have expected the Fishman Island or Tottoland duds to be used as his default appearance going forward, but I guess he changed so little over the timeskip that it doesn't matter the same way it would if any other crew member got that treatment.
But the rest of the chapter more than makes up for the odd colour spread! The lore! The history! The hints at the endgame! Gold Roger in the flesh! He's really been cemented as a human being now, after so long purely as a mythic figure, and I like him a lot. It really does feel like he could be the hero of his own story if a prequel was ever done. The chronology of Roger's adventures is interesting though. From Water Seven to Tequila Wolf and then back to Fishman Island? Are we to assume a long passage of time in which Roger left the Grand Line and started over (even after suspecting at Water Seven that all the poneglyphs would be in the New World)? Something from the past? Or maybe they were distracted by a sidequest we just don't know about for the moment.
The location of the Fishman Island ponegyph is sure to be a big deal going forward, but the options are far too open to speculate on now. (Maybe Jinbe would remember something about it if given the right hint from Oden's logbook?). One of the most interesting fragments here is Roger explicitly describing Poseidon as "a weapon that'll destroy the world one day" which perhaps suggests the Ancient Weapons could do more than simply nuke Mariejoa and Reverse Mountain as some theories suggest. But as to what could be combined with Neptunians and a great battleship to create a global scale threat, who knows. The wording is vague, but the line about "people who called it a weapon" could be read to imply that destruction is only one possible function of the so called Ancient Weapons. And of course, the idea that fulfilling the One Piece's purpose will take all three and Roger couldn't do it because he was ten years too early is easy theory fodder.
You almost feel bad for Roger. Too late for Joyboy, too early for the One piece. Makes me think of the old "born too late to explore the world, born too early to explore the universe" meme, except Roger did get to explore the world. And, well, he does seem happy with the friends he made things he accomplished in his own time, and isn't that what counts?
Looking forward to the questions about how hair mermaids actually grow, coming soon to an SBS near you, from the usual gang of pervs
It's interesting to see how much Wano was already changing when Oden stopped in for the poneglyph. Previously we might have assumed Kaido did most of the damage after establishing himself there but it's clear now (and from the last chapter) that Orochi industrialised the country on purpose to lure powerful allies like Kaido in, which makes me even more ready to see his downfall when we get back to the present. Kaido is a bad guy for sure, but his evil is an uncaring force of nature. Orochi is malicious and exploitative in a way Kaido just hasn't been so far.
Genghis Baan! What a name! I do wonder, what is it Cat and Dog told their people to convince every single man, woman and child on Zou their bond with Wano was too important to betray, even in the face of annihilation. I can understand them feeling that way personally, but we aren't seeing a lot of Oden making an impression on the general mink population. The pack mentality is strong among minks, I guess.
"Several Real Poneglyphs" is interesting to note. It's been a point of speculation for a while if the full text of the Real Poneglyphs could be found alongside the One Piece. The logbook implies both that Roger didn't find all of them and that he learned all the secrets of the world anyway. How many poneglyphs were missing from the Pirate King's set? Would Robin have seen any so far that he never did?
Poor Buggy and Shanks. Hey, it seems Buggy is like the "bad timeline" version of the aged up characters Oda's been doing in the SBS lately. Wonder if we'll ever get a good timeline version of him, maybe what he would be if he did get to see the One Piece. Shank's plot is doing nothing but thicken. Has he visited the last island on his own? If he doesn't know about the One Piece and the secrets of the world, what's his leverage with the Five Elders? Too many questions!
So what do we know about the One Piece? It's a real treasure, but there's a lot of information in there as well. The Void Century, the Weapons, the People of the D (I can't wait to for my friends who don't really follow the series to ask if we know what the treasure is yet so I can say with complete honesty that the secret final treasure is what the D in Monkey D Luffy stands for), and that it has something to do with Wano, given how desperate Oden was to restore the country to its open state after seeing it.
The final spread is a beautiful piece of work which I can see becoming iconic for the series for years to come. In fact, I'd be shocked if there weren't prints of the manuscript available at Jump Stores already. Interesting that the official release actually went with Laugh Tale as well! I'm glad for it, but I'm aching for the podcast episode to come out so I can hear a little more about how they're going to handle it.
I assume next week our time with Roger is going to wrap up pretty quickly and the focus will shift back to Wano and Kaido. Our time with him, like his life, feels so much shorter than it should have been, but all the same it was beautiful, inspiring, and a great bit of a laugh. My heartiest congratulations to Oda for sticking the landing on this one. After 20 years of anticipation, seeing Roger as he actually was could easily have been massively underwhelming, but somehow he pulled it off. I can't wait to see what he has in store for the end of the series!
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I kept the comments I had for the chapter for when the official (proper) translation came out… but that was over a week ago and I forgot most of it.
- You know, I don't get some things. We can see in this chapter Roger got the title of Pirate King before he went to Laugh Tale... so what exactly gave him the title? Also, since Lodestar was believed to be the final island, why people didn't consider he conquered the Grand Line (and started calling him Pirate King) when he got there 14 years before?
It must be the rumours of One Piece and Laugh Tale which spread like fire that made him Pirate King.
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Random thoughts on this chapter.
-why did the Roger pirates sail back to East Blue? Is there any secrets to be found around Tequila whatever it was called? If so it would explain why Robin was thrown over there.
-Huh so i guess Oro-dude didn't have to make shit up. Oden literally turned his back on Wano and walked away without even hearing about it's problems. I was not expecting that to be honest.
-Also Scooper looks way too much like a young dr Kureha. A relation of hers?
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The colour spread is… not my favourite. The Arashi boys are deeply uncanny, and a lot of the bobble head Strawhats aren't super appealing either. It is cute the way the Arashi ship is holding hands with Merry and Sunny at the bottom though, and Jinbe's presence leads me to believe we'll be getting back to him very soon after the flashback ends. Interesting to put him in his Marineford outfit though. I would have expected the Fishman Island or Tottoland duds to be used as his default appearance going forward, but I guess he changed so little over the timeskip that it doesn't matter the same way it would if any other crew member got that treatment.
Given that the actual music video used his Cake Island gold outfit, I have to assume it's mostly a coloring thing. The gold outfit would have blended into the backdrop, His green fishman Island outfit would have looked garishly out of place, and giving hi ma new red/pink outfit like everyone else would have looked bad against his tatoo and blue. (As is the pink cape is a bit weird.) The orange fits in with the rest of the scene pretty easily, and he was drawn in that for a long time.
The final spread is a beautiful piece of work which I can see becoming iconic for the series for years to come. In fact, I'd be shocked if there weren't prints of the manuscript available at Jump Stores already. Interesting that the official release actually went with Laugh Tale as well! I'm glad for it, but I'm aching for the podcast episode to come out so I can hear a little more about how they're going to handle it.
Viz put "Laugh Tale" in quote marks. THey're going to just run with the real world truth in this case… the world wasn't in on the joke and called it Raftel, but that's what was always meant. They might find a way to sneak it into dialogue at some point when its relevant again to make the correction, but it'll probably just continue to be "Raftel" until anyone else catches onto what Roger hismelf called it.
