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But do people know that there is a final island beyond lodestar? If they dont know then why nobody reached lodestar when it was just navigation? The likes of WB, Linlin should have been able to do it. But if people know that there is one last island then how do they know?
Roger said explicitly last chapter that they were the first to reach Lodestar.
Given that the actual music video used his Cake Island gold outfit, I have to assume it's mostly a coloring thing. The gold outfit would have blended into the backdrop, His green fishman Island outfit would have looked garishly out of place, and giving hi ma new red/pink outfit like everyone else would have looked bad against his tatoo and blue. (As is the pink cape is a bit weird.) The orange fits in with the rest of the scene pretty easily, and he was drawn in that for a long time.
That's a pretty good explanation. I watched the video but totally didn't pick up that his outfit was different to the spread. Still a little bit of a shame couldn't have had a new or recoloured getup like Sanji, Franky and Zoro have.
Viz put "Laugh Tale" in quote marks. THey're going to just run with the real world truth in this case… the world wasn't in on the joke and called it Raftel, but that's what was always meant. They might find a way to sneak it into dialogue at some point when its relevant again to make the correction, but it'll probably just continue to be "Raftel" until anyone else catches onto what Roger hismelf called it.
This sounds about right, and is probably the best way to handle it without a complete retcon, but I'm still keen to hear from Stephen the behind the scenes of it.
Roger said explicitly last chapter that they were the first to reach Lodestar.
And yet he didn't hint that they named the island. I think that there must be a big difference between Laugh Tale and Lodestar. As i get it it's not hard to get to Laugh Tale once you decipher the Poneglyphs. Lodestar meanwhile is a different thing: your Log Pose may direct you there but it's incredibly hard to get there. We had Sky Island, Underwater Island, Moving Island… so what could it be? Maybe a combination? A moving space island and you would have to be at the right spot at the right time. My guess still is that it's former God Valley that would be send flying through whatever means. This way Roger could still be the first to get there but it would have been known and inhabited not to long before.
It is still weird to me how people believed Roger's words of navigating the whole grand line without much of a proof.
Yeah, but at least it explains why he wasn't regarded as the Pirate King once he got to Lodestar (since he realized it wasn't the real final island, it would make sense for him to not boast about it).
EDIT: It could also be that rather than taking his word on it, the fact his crew emerged from the other side of the Reverse Mountain served as proof - and maybe he refused to complete the journey before because he realized there was one hidden island left.
What? How did you even come to that conclusion?
Nah… it was just a random thought. It seems like they are preparing there last journey, if Lodestar is the second to last island it would make sense to leave from there. But as i said, i believe Lodestar is a place really hard to get to and if Roger pirates have all four Poneglyphs this island could be anywhere. It's strange that the name of the port town isn't written though...
Crackpot warning ahead. My new entirely unsubstansiated headcanon is now that Scooper is Kurehas brother or son and was up until they picked up Crocus their make shift medic on account of being brought up in a doctor family that he eventually ran out on. Hence Kureha knowing Rogers real name cause she had been introduced to him when he was all brother or son snatching. Alright you can now go back to discussing non crazy ideas again.
The official translation calls the Rio poneglyph, Real poneglyph? hmm if that's Oda's intention it still sounds weird, it is not like other ones are fake..
From the wiki:
The Rio Poneglyph (真の歴史の本文（リオ・ポーネグリフ） Rio Pōnegurifu, literally meaning "True Text of History"
Nah… it was just a random thought. It seems like they are preparing there last journey, if Lodestar is the second to last island it would make sense to leave from there. But as i said, i believe Lodestar is a place really hard to get to and if Roger pirates have all four Poneglyphs this island could be anywhere. It's strange that the name of the port town isn't written though...
Maybe that island was Baterilla and Roger just came back from conceiving Ace.
The official translation calls the Rio poneglyph, Real poneglyph? hmm if that's Oda's intention it still sounds weird, it is not like other ones are fake..
From the wiki:
"True text of history" refers to the void century. "True history", as opposed to whatever lie or coverup the world government has going on. The Rio Poneglyph is (most likely) just all the poneglyphs combined, telling the complete story about what happened back then.
The official translation calls the Rio poneglyph, Real poneglyph? hmm if that's Oda's intention it still sounds weird, it is not like other ones are fake..
From the wiki:
"Real" is the translation Viz went with ages ago when Robin first mentioned them in Alabast or Skypiea. I wouldn't necessarily put too much thought into it.
"True text of history" refers to the void century. "True history", as opposed to whatever lie or coverup the world government has going on. The Rio Poneglyph is (most likely) just all the poneglyphs combined, telling the complete story about what happened back then.
If I remember correctly like 9 poneglyphs contained true history/information while the others were about the weapons + the 4 road ones.
Man this joint has seen better days hasn't it? Wondering if the bustle of bigger social media sites drove folks out, or if it was romanticizing of certain behavioral patterns… :sideways:
Man this joint has seen better days hasn't it? Wondering if the bustle of bigger social media sites drove folks out, or if it was romanticizing of certain behavioral patterns… :sideways:
I blame you and people like you for it mr last post 2017. Nah but 31 pages including spoilers ain't bad for a chapter these days. If you think this week was bad you should see an actual meh chapter.
If I remember correctly like 9 poneglyphs contained true history/information while the others were about the weapons + the 4 road ones.
Those with weapon belong to the information type, Robin made two classifications, the ones with information and ones who show the location of other ponegylphs.
Obviously she did not know about RPs, so that makes three.
Seems like Joy Boy just upgraded his status from "an important Fishman Island figure" to "an important figure in the world of One Piece in general."
The official translation calls the Rio poneglyph, Real poneglyph? hmm if that's Oda's intention it still sounds weird, it is not like other ones are fake..
From the wiki:
I think they made as much as they can so their enemy won't be able to destroy the real poneglyph. Not to mention that they wrote it in the must difficult way. They sent every poneglyph as a message to a dear friend. So, they were talking between friends with their secret language. To reach their secret, you need to know the language then figure out the meaning behind their puzzle. All these has been made to protect the Laugh Tale.
I got the chills when I saw Roger laughing and asked myself the same question everyone asked themselves when they saw the panel: "Why the hell is he laughing?" Many speculations and theories on the way.
I say we're going for the genocide thing, but Joyboy prolly did a massive trolling to the CD's.
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Is Ganfall supposed to be Ganfor?
The official translation calls the Rio poneglyph, Real poneglyph? hmm if that's Oda's intention it still sounds weird, it is not like other ones are fake..
From the wiki:
The word 'true' refers to the history told by the Río Poneglyphs, the true history of OP world, not to the stone itself.
The Viz translation is very irksome. They want people to read the official chapters but insist on using awful names like Neptunians, Zolo, Ganfor, Elbaph, Animal kingdom pirates, ponegliff, cat viper, dog storm etc. I understand they'd like consistency but they need to realise that most fans don't care about stuff like that.
It'd be more reasonable to use the real names for online releases and save the consistency excuse for physical volumes.
Oda shouldn't have to directly spell out the names in the chapters in a way their versions wouldn't fit like with Rocks & Laugh Tale for them to fix their mistakes.
Are they awful or are they just different from what you've grown use to?
Maybe it's just me, but as long as I feel like it correlates with what's going on, a lot of it doesn't matter. If it says someone used a gun and I see a bow, there's an issue.
They're cringe.
For example, Zolo and Animal kingdom pirates are pretty much universally hated by the fandom. They just don't sound right. As if an edgy guy like Kaido would wake up one day and decide to name his crew something as lame as "the animal kingdom pirates".
They can get a pass for their spelling of poneglyph or even elbaf even though they completely take away the meanings of those names but it gets to a point where their name choices just sound stupid. Like, what in the world is a neptunian?
Theyre awful.
For example, Zolo and Animal kingdom pirates are pretty much universally hated by the fandom. They just don't sound right. As if an edgy guy like Kaido would wake up one day and decide to name his crew something as lame as "the animal kingdom pirates".
They can get a pass for their spelling of poneglyph or even elbaf even though they completely take away the meanings of those names but it gets to a point where their name choices just sound stupid. Like, what in the world is a neptunian?
I've seen the Neptunian thing come up a couple of times since the chapter dropped and there actually is a decent explanation for it. Neptune (as in the planet) in Japanese is written as "Sea King Planet," and the Neptunians' name is written with the same first two characters. So essentially, adapting the name is a choice between the literal meaning of "sea king" and adapting the reference to the planet/ocean god Oda was also making in Japanese. Obviously either way is a valid option, though the translator at the time couldn't have known there would be a character actually called Neptune (written phonetically in Japanese) later on.
(disclaimer that I'm no translator and I'm just passing on things I've seen, but it didn't take much googling to see that it all adds up)
Animal kingdom pirates doesn't really bother me. He could've called them the zoo pirates for all i care. As long as it gets across the point that Kaido collects animal people it is all good to me
Is there going to be a spoiler this week? Or another break?
Next issue comes out next Sunday (1/19) when we'll be back to the normal schedule. There might be early spoilers but nothing regular, so don't expect anything this week
Animal kingdom pirates doesn't really bother me. He could've called them the zoo pirates for all i care. As long as it gets across the point that Kaido collects animal people it is all good to me
You would have no problem with "Bestiality Pirates"?
That would just make me assume that he's banging them.
Yes, but Kaido was thinking he was being clever by shortening "Bestial Fatality".
No one tried to point out the Jack in the room.
Would explain why Jack looked so worried when Kaido showed up.
Atleast WB only makes you call him daddy.
Poseidon being born only once every few hundred years makes me think, if the last Poseidon had anything to do with the classification of fishmen from fish to people 200yrs ago.
After all, FI only was twice at the Reverie: this one and a Reverie 200 yrs ago.
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I got the chills when I saw Roger laughing and asked myself the same question everyone asked themselves when they saw the panel: "Why the hell is he laughing?" Many speculations and theories on the way.
My best guess is, that Roger laughs at the fact that we called Laugh Tale "Raftel" for decades. On a not-more-serious guess: Maybe it's a statue of JoyBoy teabagging the Gorousei/Im.
They're cringe.
For example, Zolo and Animal kingdom pirates are pretty much universally hated by the fandom. They just don't sound right. As if an edgy guy like Kaido would wake up one day and decide to name his crew something as lame as "the animal kingdom pirates".
They can get a pass for their spelling of poneglyph or even elbaf even though they completely take away the meanings of those names but it gets to a point where their name choices just sound stupid. Like, what in the world is a neptunian?
Thank goodness you gave them a pass. Seriously….tired of the whiney children acting like they havent been using the official translation all these years because of a few translation choices.
It's hilarious that all these nobodies with absolutely zero translation experience think they can tell someone like Stephen that he's wrong.
Some Korean official web-comics have the option of 'fan-translations' besides the official version. Maybe one day Viz will have that option.
Thank goodness you gave them a pass. Seriously….tired of the whiney children acting like they havent been using the official translation all these years because of a few translation choices.
It's hilarious that all these nobodies with absolutely zero translation experience think they can tell someone like Stephen that he's wrong.
To be fair you only need functioning ears to know that they ain't shouting Zolo in the anime.
Honestly, I was fine with Dogtooth :ninja: Although, Katakuri is alright too. And makes more sense
Every nation gets the government it deserves.–-- Joseph de Maistre
How about something more wholesome like animals A to Z the Kaido pirate crew
You triggered me some terrible Bleach flashbacks.
It's funny because she is the who names the sheer majority of them.
Probably the only reason Katakuri's name was not translated (or was not originally in english/french to begin with) is because there is no equivalent in those languages to it. "Dogtooth" is a flower similar to the katakuri flower, not the same. The katakuri plant (or the starch made from it) has no western name, so any attempt to translate it is just a loose aproximation rather than a proper translation.
Oden leaving Wano despite suspecting something is wrong make him a bit more interesting to me. His travels with pirate does make less of a perfect guy. He fails at some stuff, get knock around a bit and is a fish out of water. Also I took the factory in the background as more symbolic than real fact but I guess it can be both. Poor Kinemon does not have easy job trying to be the responsible face of such a absentee leader. I wonder if they told him his dad was dead.
Otahime as a protester is fun and I like Neptune running comentary. If the sea kings are neptunians in the offical translation I now decide that Neptune was named after them for his great strength. I wonder how you get the throne on Fhisman island. Was that Neptune's dad that died?
Name of the Duke is cool.
Ultimately I wasn't a big fan of the chapter. It felt like one of the let's make everything happen now and feel connected instead of letting it more open and a better paced. Stuff like the Rogers meeting Franky, asking about the princess date of birth or even tequilla wolf feels like random Roger touched on everything and we have to cram it in. I'm also not a fan of the feeling that the great adventure to find the road stones was just Roger running into a cheat code and just having to make a couple of pit stop to get them quick. Or how quick he inspired Pedro. It's those kind of things that annoys me that because you want it all in the page everything has to happen to quickly.
I did love the naration in those last couple of pages and how happy the crew looked when they finally made it. Probably would have went full double page spread with the crew celebrating. Probably Roger laughing up and the crew down.
Now Im curious how Oda wrap it up with that guy still in Whitebeard crew. Maybe he got married while he was there?
That Wano was run into the ground in Oden's name while he was dicking around doing whatever he felt like up to and including even explicitly leaving mid-crisis without a second thought does sort of add a layer of explanation for why Orochi had such an easy time selling his revolution as just. Saying that Oden doesn't care about Wano and only cares about his outsider friends is barely even an exaggeration
That Wano was run into the ground in Oden's name while he was dicking around doing whatever he felt like up to and including even explicitly leaving mid-crisis without a second thought does sort of add a layer of explanation for why Orochi had such an easy time selling his revolution as just. Saying that Oden doesn't care about Wano and only cares about his outsider friends is barely even an exaggeration
I mean he did spent all his life trying to leave. But considering he was encouraged by his wife and Yasopp is an awesome I don't think we supposed to be too hard on him.
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Also his reign as Shogun must have been really short. For all the good press Kinemon give him Oden had some pretty major lapses that regular folks should remember.
Thank goodness you gave them a pass. Seriously….tired of the whiney children acting like they havent been using the official translation all these years because of a few translation choices.
It's hilarious that all these nobodies with absolutely zero translation experience think they can tell someone like Stephen that he's wrong.
And I'm tired of viz shills acting like they're beyond criticism and everybody should be happy and accept their questionable choices just because they're official. The official translation has had several issues. Stephen and whoever else came up with these ridiculous names ARE wrong especially when they contradict the manga. They've admitted to being wrong and keeping errors because they value consistency more than accuracy.
I just realized that Oden actually spent like 2-3 years with most of his retainers. I mean at 18 he met Kinemon and formed his crew, at 20 or 21 he set out with Whitebread, and then he came back for a short stint before being boiled. Unless i'm missing something here he sure inspired a lot of loyalty for a guy who was never around.
I just realized that Oden actually spent like 2-3 years with most of his retainers. I mean at 18 he met Kinemon and formed his crew, at 20 or 21 he set out with Whitebread, and then he came back for a short stint before being boiled. Unless i'm missing something here he sure inspired a lot of loyalty for a guy who was never around.
That's why it is so important that you instantly jizz your pants by looking at him.
I share the feeling but to be fair Ace had less than 3 years with Whitebeard and Luffy probably has 4-5 months with Shanks and probably less with Vivi. It just happened that we focused so little on those who admire him and why they do that it feels unwarranted. I'm more convinve of the bond between him and Whitebeard than any retainer really.
And I'm tired of viz shills acting like they're beyond criticism and everybody should be happy and accept their questionable choices just because they're official. The official translation has had several issues. Stephen and whoever else came up with these ridiculous names ARE wrong especially when they contradict the manga. They've admitted to being wrong and keeping errors because they value consistency more than accuracy.
Things like Zolo and Neptunians long predate Stephen getting the gig, so those ain't on him. And Zolo specifically wasn't even Viz's choice, they started with Zoro and were made to change it, just like the video games and other merchandising of the time, because Zolo was the name that they could get a trademark for.
Stephen does a fantastic job but is limited by choices made by others nearly two decades ago.
Translation between different languages is an imprecise art, but it IS an art. It is what it is. Even Oda doesn't get it right all the time, as English isn't a language he's fluent in. Look at how the official romanization of Shiryu was "Shilliew" for a decade, and then recently made correct in his most recent appearance.
And, for people who have only been buying the official release all these years rather than reading illegal bootlegs, they would be thrown off by weird random changes in names, changing things now would be completely unprofessional.
The Viz translation is very irksome. They want people to read the official chapters but insist on using awful names like Neptunians, Zolo, Ganfor, Elbaph, Animal kingdom pirates, ponegliff, cat viper, dog storm etc.
Stephen asked the Japanese editor directly what he should do about Dogstorm and Catviper, and was told to go with literal version rather than leaving in raw Japanese.
He translated the names so that we get the same effects as the Japanese readers do, where its a descriptor. Same way we get Whitebeard and Blackbeard, rather than Shirohige and Kurohige. You'd never translate Nami to be Wave, because they're not calling her Wave. But the animal guys? They are calling them descriptors and its more accurate to translate it as such. (As is we're completely losing the pun in Wanda being a bark noise, so we're missing out there.)
Similarly, Kuma is possibly an edge case where his name should have been translated as Bear, given all the bear puns Oda makes about him, but that's an unusual edge case.
You don't just leave in random Japanese words for the sake of leaving in raw Japanese like a weaboo. "All according to keikaku" is a terrible translation choice and its obvious why. Apply that to everything else in a story and you start running into problems.
I think that being bound by previous translations for the sake of an imaginary continuity is exactly what was being criticized there
