And of course the Rayleigh scene with Momo.
Reminds him of the old days. What does it mean? Has he a child?
Or do we should believe they mean Shanks and Buggy who were stated to be on board for a long time already in this chapter as well
May be Shank and Buggy joined them( in better ward 'rescued') when they were toddlers.
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
I still do not get how Roger could have known that the 4 red stones are pointing to the final island if he couldn't read them at all
Voice of all things..
Yeah, that massive fishman is part of the main group for sure. He's in almost every important panel, even right next to Oden during the party.
I wonder what happened to him. It's not like there are many places for a fishman looking this monstrous.
I guess whatever's special about Blackbeard's body involves him having two of something.
Yeah, that massive fishman is part of the main group for sure. He's in almost every important panel, even right next to Oden during the party.
I wonder what happened to him. It's not like there are many places for a fishman looking this monstrous.
Maybe he went back to Fishman Island, possibly even having been in the Fishman Island arc, but we just didn't realize it.
It's funny, because he's apparently meant to be the same big guy who was at Roger's battle with Shiki, but he didn't quite look like a fishman to me somehow.
Maybe he went back to Fishman Island, possibly even having been in the Fishman Island arc, but we just didn't realize it.
It's funny, because he's apparently meant to be the same big guy who was at Roger's battle with Shiki, but he didn't quite look like a fishman to me somehow.
Damn if this isn't a great find! Yeah this must be his early design, with the anime doing their part.
If rayleigh and scopper are the zoro and sanji of roger pirates, then who the hell are Oden and Bullet of straw hat pirates?? Maybe there will be two guys stronger then sanji and zoro that will join from now on.:ninja:
Oh and BB and buggy go way back, BB even fought roger and his crew. Like marines sure are clueless for not giving BB a bounty and giving buggy only 15m. I can't wait to see Buggy & shanks vs BB fight reunion. Shanks vs BB, buggy vs shilliew maybe.
Damn if this isn't a great find! Yeah this must be his early design, with the anime doing their part.
Yeah, I imagine the animators guessed quite a bit in what the color schemes of characters looked like as opposed to asking Oda himself.
Rayleigh went through a design change as well when looking back at when he appears in episode 8, because he's seen in Buggy's flashback. The digitally colored version of his debut chapter, chapter 19, has different coloring as well.
A thought: Maybe that one weird line Ace said about Teach living "twice the life", is because he never sleeps, he can do a lot more with his time?
I love the spinning trying to make.the fishman that important to not admit that we have a Roger Monster Trio
@uniaka:
If rayleigh and scopper are the zoro and sanji of roger pirates, then who the hell are Oden and Bullet of straw hat pirates?? Maybe there will be two guys stronger then sanji and zoro that will join from now on.:ninja:
not everything need to be the same and recycle each time
let them be different from others, hahaha,
The Oden would be Robin cuz poneglyph readers. Then I guess Nami could be the Toki. The chick. I don't think Oda's going for equivalents really.
anyway, i dont think lodestar is sky island :getlost:
sky island is above jaya, which caused by knocked up stream, and in blue sea
i dont think it's in new world :getlost:
what say you?
No, Skypiea is above Jaya.
There are more Sky Islands than Skypiea, like Birka, the Balloon Terminal which is in the New World, the island where Urouge is from. I think Gan Fall said that there is a safe way to get to the Sky Islands other than the Knock Up Stream. It was called Summit of High West if I remember correctly.
It could be in the New World.
But then again, how did Urouge come to the Blue Sea? He didn't start his piracy life in the New World, did he? And how did he get up to Balloon Terminal?
Might there be more than one route to the Sky Islands, other than the Summit? How did Enel come to Skypiea are the Sky Islands connected?
It's a possibility that Lodestar could be a Sky Island, we have to wait and see.
not everything need to be the same and recycle each time
let them be different from others, hahaha,
Bullet isn't canon
Road Star = Space arc confirmed 
Maybe he went back to Fishman Island, possibly even having been in the Fishman Island arc, but we just didn't realize it.
It's funny, because he's apparently meant to be the same big guy who was at Roger's battle with Shiki, but he didn't quite look like a fishman to me somehow.
I can't avert my eyes to Disco Stu in the back.
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Road Star = Space arc confirmed
Whitebeard's anger (of Roger asking to borrow Oden) caused a seashaking,
Blackbeard's laugh shakes the environment.
The clear opposite
@Skipped dialogue from Luffy and Roger: I think it's pretty clear that there is something going on here that Oda wants to hide. You just don't use that technique, let alone deliberately repeat it with identical reactions and all, if you're just going for a cool panel with the leit-motif of the manga.
Another thing here is this:
I'd wager that in the time between Roger's death and meeting Luffy, Shanks has heard people say "I will be PK!" hundreds of times. Hell, maybe even from Big Mom and/or Kaido themselves. So for him to think there was something special about Luffy saying something identical to Roger must mean that there was more to it than that catchphrase.
Bullet isn't canon
The characters seems to be canon, if shiki is anything to go by, it's more about the movie plot that is non canon since it doesn't fit in the manga arcs.
May be Shank and Buggy joined them( in better ward 'rescued') when they were toddlers.
I was thinking of that too. Maybe worth of note is that both of them were 1yo when Roger defeated Rocks… although the fact one comes from East Blue and the other from Grand Line makes it hard for them to be at the same place at such a young age.
Love these end game flash backs and all the questions and answers they bring. Boy I hope when the story gets back to the current time line the Straw Hats take front and center like we know they can and should.
The panel after the seaquakes shows smoke coming from below. Whitebeard scold-quaked Roger's head into the ground lol.
I think I've said it before but… I always assumed this particular flashback would be when Luffy's crew was on the verge of getting One Piece. Stop just short of them seeing the treasure, and then do this backstory to make it a dramatic wait and add more emotion and punch to it. That's still possible, especially since Oda is clearly going to gloss over the actual OP part, but it is a little weird.
This chapter more than any before it has kind of set in the fact that the story is in fact, nearing its end. It still has years to go, I don't for a moment believe Oda's 5 year prediction... but I'm starting to think 8 or so (30th anniversary) might actually be likely and not just the rushed pace to get there.
2027 here we come. 30-32 more volumes to get it to 125? I've long though 120 volumes sounded about right but pushed that guess back some after Big Mom's arc ran for two years. I've also assumed if he went a year or two past that anniversary he'd be begged to stretch it to 35 and he'd do so with lots of breaks and a long final battle and finale... but a few more chapters like this one then.... he might finish by the 30th.
But no way he does it in five unless he really skimps on all the battle stuff.
Thats amazing, it has to be something other than the usual “im gonna be the pirate king”, right?
Yeah, it's been speculated since 585 that Luffy had to have said something different, otherwise there was no need to cut away. Lots of people say "I want to be pirate king", Luffy's dream is more special than that.
And now that we're seeing its exactly Roger, the title didn't exist then, so it MUST be something different.
The pages on Mangaplus are misplaced. The page where Oden discovers Neko and Inu as stowaways on Roger's ship is in front of the page where he leaves with Roger's ship…
Hmm… I wonder if Roger was a dad earlier in his life, long before Ace.
Hmm… I wonder if Roger was a dad earlier in his life, long before Ace.
He held Shanks after he killed Xebec. Shanks is Xebec Son. And maybe buggy too?
In the official translation, Roger said he don't want Rayleigh and Gaban to get hurt but in the scans Roger said "two of my best men".
Which one is the closest to the japanese version?
@uniaka:
The characters seems to be canon, if shiki is anything to go by, it's more about the movie plot that is non canon since it doesn't fit in the manga arcs.
No not in the slightest.
Look it up.
In the official translation, Roger said he don't want Rayleigh and Gaban to get hurt but in the scans Roger said "two of my best men".
Which one is the closest to the japanese version?
The official one. Original: 君達にケガさせるわけにいかん
@.access:
The official one. Original: 君達にケガさせるわけにいかん
Thank you very much.
The good/bad thing about One Piece ending (like in 5 to 10 years) are all the incoming prequels that can take place in the 800years of history, lol
I mean I don't want a prequel about Xebec for instance. Just get it done here, in the original manga –--or don't
@uniaka:
The characters seems to be canon, if shiki is anything to go by
And Shiki has a presence in the manga, unlike with Bullet (Chapter 530):
I'm absolutely ready for a Garp spinoff. He's like a superior version of Luffy in every way, and the Marine setting brings a different dynamic to the table.
The plot will be mainly about him punching things.
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I'm absolutely ready for a Garp spinoff. He's like a superior version of Luffy in every way, and the Marine setting brings a different dynamic to the table.
The plot will be mainly about him punching things.
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Or flashback chapters detailing the Rocks Pirates.
I want a Germa spin off, Enel space pirates and Bartolomeo journey
I'll never get enough of One Piece, but I hope and pray the series is just left to rest in all its glory, unless Oda himself wanted to write more.
I really have no doubts that whatever the end of One Piece is will be phenomenal; Oda has proven to me at this point that he's going to complete this incredible story in a truly beautiful way. And however many years and chapters it takes to get there is fine by me; I'm not a fight-crazed reader, nor am I solely a world-building fanatic. I love every aspect of this series dearly, and I appreciate every chapter for what it brings to the table. If Oda ended One Piece tomorrow or in twenty years, I wouldn't bat an eye, so long as he wrapped up what he felt he needed to. My only concern is a rushed pacing. You can have a beautifully written ending, but it can still be rushed, and given the slight rush Oda's been putting on lately, it concerns me just a bit. All I could ask for as a reader is for Oda to complete this journey how he sees fit, and it would really be a shame to rush to the end now. I'm along for the ride no matter what, and whatever this beautiful man has in store will be, no doubt, one of the most powerful things ever put to page.
Low key, I'm not the kind of person who feels like they have to meet the people that they respect the most, but I just want to give Oda a hug some time before we're both gone, just to show him even a glimmer of how much I appreciate the time, dedication, and love he's put into this thing, and how much joy this thing has brought me.
Also, this is just a minor note, but I think Roger is one of the very few to use two hands with a Cutlass type of sword. Usually, everyone who uses such swords keep it one-handed.
The fact that someone doesn't sleep feels weird, even for One Piece standards. It's so unnatural and out of the left field, it almost ruins the immersion. I mean the main character always asked for the poop?!
This is Blackbeard we're talking about. He has an abnormal body.
What if Blackbeard also doesn't poop? :ninja:
The fact that someone doesn't sleep feels weird, even for One Piece standards. It's so unnatural and out of the left field, it almost ruins the immersion. I mean the main character always asked for the poop?!
That is, assuming that Blackbeard is a regular human in the first place. This is also coming from the same manga in which someone claimed not having eaten in three years.
@Johnny:
What if Blackbeard also doesn't poop? :ninja:
Then that body composition is probably 30% cherry pie right now
@Johnny:
What if Blackbeard also doesn't poop? :ninja:
His wanting the Yami Yami is very fitting then, allowing his big black hole to take things in and then release. Can't blame the guy for killing his crewmate over it, constipation sucks.
After OP ends I'd like it if we got mini stories/mini arcs about Roger and Garp's pasts, pasts like like Mihawk/Dragon/Shanks seems like it could be fun as well.
Kizaru spin of is all I ask for.
I was not too much in the 'Why didn't Whitebeard went in Wano' debate but after this chapter where we learn that Roger only borrowed Oden for a year, something must have happened. I hope after Oden farewell to Roger, he went to see Whitebeard too
Fuck Whitebeard but Izo should have gone.
I was not too much in the 'Why didn't Whitebeard went in Wano' debate but after this chapter where we learn that Roger only borrowed Oden for a year, something must have happened. I hope after Oden farewell to Roger, he went to see Whitebeard too
I think WB came to Wano for reunion and that's where he and Roger talked for the last time.
As for why WB didn't help Oden, simple answer is Oden forbade him to do so and he honoured the wish.
Why WB didn't go for the revenge afterward is most likely convenient plot line….
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
