At this point, I won't even be surprise if someone from Kaido/Orochi Team have the Giro Giro Fruit.
But it wouldn't have the same effect as the traitor(s) revelation.
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Chapter 970: Oden Vs Kaido
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If the Strawhats didnt arrive on time, the Minks would've been officially genocide'ed
That some Hitler-level shit, this makes me believe there will be no redemption for the traitor, so either way Shinobu gets the "Scabbard title" or Izo comes back.
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I think isolation was always presented as the normal state of affair on Wano with us recently learning Oden wanted to change it.
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I think isolation was always presented as the normal state of affair on Wano with us recently learning Oden wanted to change it.
Yea, it's been like that for hundreds of years apparently
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We don't know if Kin & co actually watched Raizo landing on Zunisha or not. All of them were too close at the critical moment:
! http://i2.mangareader.net/one-piece/920/one-piece-11393659.jpg
Also, I'm assuming the 4 time travelers could have den den mushis to communicate each other. (So that even Kiku could have been told about Raizo being in Zou). Is that wrong?
Lol, it's kinda funny how royally screwed the Scabbards would have been if it hadn't been for the Strawhats. Like, pretty much everything went to shit on their journey.
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"Dammit Toki, you said this was gonna work out" - Kin'nemon probably.
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"So, Kinemon, how did your mission to travel to Zou in order to team up with our Mink allies go?" "Weeeell, one of us got separated from the rest, the other guy was accidentally captured by an accomplice of our enemy, I got separated from Oden's son, he ended up on an island where another accomplice of our enemy was carrying out crazy experiments on innocent children, and then my body got sliced up into many pieces! Oh, and our mink allies were almost tortured to death by our enemy! Soooo, all in all, it went alright i guess thumbs up"
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2 decades without incident and once the time travelers come along, they are almost eradicated. It's 1 of them man. Been saying that Kinemon would cause the most impact, but there would need to be so much connected to go with Kinemon and not Kanjuro or Kiku.
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Lol, it's kinda funny how royally screwed the Scabbards would have been if it hadn't been for the Strawhats. Like, pretty much everything went to shit on their journey.
That is my reason to believe that Toki didn't pick a 20 year span for nothing. She must've known what would happen in Wano at this time or have some kind of vague idea.
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Oden knew that something was going to come in 20 years after he went to Laugh Tale:
Toki was probably aware of what he found in there when she decided when to send Momonosuke.And since they still didn't had a chance to talk about what happened to him after she went back to Wano, there is a chance we'll find out more about Joy Boy/the kings before the flashback ends.
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@.access:
Oden knew that something was going to come in 20 years after he went to Laugh Tale:
https://i.postimg.cc/YqfsDyVt/oden20.png
Toki was probably aware of what he found in there when he decided when to send Momonosuke.And since they still didn't had a chance to talk about what happened to him after she went back to Wano, there is a chance we'll find out more about Joy Boy/the kings before the flashback ends.
They had five years to talk about that actually.
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I swear I forget there was a 5 years jump at least 10 times a day
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@.access:
Oden knew that something was going to come in 20 years after he went to Laugh Tale:
https://i.postimg.cc/YqfsDyVt/oden20.png
Toki was probably aware of what he found in there when he decided when to send Momonosuke.And since they still didn't had a chance to talk about what happened to him after she went back to Wano, there is a chance we'll find out more about Joy Boy/the kings before the flashback ends.
Pffff, don't even remember that scene. Now I really have to binge read after Dressrossa arc so I don't miss anything. Also, I recently reread the last chapters and saw this panel:
So this happens about 26 + years ago (1 year until findind Laugh Tale & till Roger disbands the crew + 5 years of Oden playing the fool + 20 years timeskip). Shirahoshi is about 16 years old meaning that she fits the timeline, but Luffy is 19 I think so that means another one is the supposed "king" that has to meet with Shirahoshi. I thought that Luffy was the one in the profecy since after leaving Fishmen Island, they wind up in a whale bank (hence the profecy "the whales will be happy"). DOn't know if it was pointed out as there are so many ongoing Threads.
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Got a question: Is there any bad guy samurai that could have matched what we think is Jack when the All-Stars were in silhouette when Oden Castle burned? As the horns on that guy do look like some real-life kabuto had.
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Ashura was like 20 Cavendishes back then, if he became 1 Cavendish stronger every year, he should be 40 Cavendishes currently.
Capable of holding it with all of the Calamities definitely
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That seems too random for me. I await an explanation for how Toki's powers work because I bet there is more to it then just travel in the future for X time. Either she can get glimpses of a person's future/fate or she can see bits of the general future. She had to also saw her meeting with Oden, otherwise it is one in a million chances that she met the first person to leave Wano in years on a deserted island randomly.
On one hand it does, on the other it seems strange to me that Toki was so insistent on Oden going to Raftel. It can't just be a matter of her wanting him to be happy. She absolutely has to know something about what was going on in the world Prior to the World Government. We have seen Devil Fruits interact with Haki in strange ways with Enel, and Katakuri could use his Observation Haki to see bits of the future, perhaps t he Time Fruit and Observation Haki could combine to let her see further in the future.
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Honestly the Wano arc is crumbling and somehow becoming less interesting as more details are revealed. Oden was a dick and he was only "good" because he was ridiculously strong and the son of the Shogun so he had the most freedom which is what One Piece is all about. His followers only seemed attracted to his strength but he didn't treat them well, abandoned them, and didn't tell them the truth.
Of course he is probably going to stay behind and fight off everyone by himself while his allies escape which will lead to him being boiled alive and somehow rekindle the feeling that they need to honor his death by stopping Kaido and Orochi.
I hate to say it but I agree, and at this late point in the manga, that's really not good. I'm used to major players in the series making absolute bonehead moves of the highest order but this is literally one of those 'Oh, it's been bad but now it's gone too far' situations. I mean, by that rationale, letting people suffer and the evildoers gain power while doing nothing to curb or mitigate it is just unforgivably stupid. There has to be a monumentally good reason for Oden to twiddle his thumbs and destroy his own credibility for that long and I don't think even Oda is up to that.
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What's up with the cover story? O_o
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What's up with the cover story? O_o
Seems like the end of this coverstory has to tie up with some events on Wano in real time (appearance of Straw Hat Grand Fleet? SSG? Shanks?) and Oda has a lot of chapters to cover.
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Evidence that kikunojo is the traitor : https://imgur.com/a/9gzCZ6J
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And here I thought those horns resembled Kings'.
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These horns are identical, king's ones have different shape/length :
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Straight spikes and curved horns aren't what I'd call identical.
And King could have easily pimped his helmet up by adding more spikes in 20 years since that flashback.
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Straight spikes and curved horns aren't what I'd call identical.
And King could have easily pimped his helmet up by adding more spikes in 20 years since that flashback.
And why would Oda showcase the traitor besides Queen? That is probably just king and queen shown as the most powerful of Kaido subordinates
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Evidence that kikunojo is the traitor : https://imgur.com/a/9gzCZ6J
This doesn't look the same at all…
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Evidence that kikunojo is the traitor : https://imgur.com/a/9gzCZ6J
To be fair Kaido is the demon/ogre of this tale and lives on Demon Island and Kiku wears a demon mask.
Kaido and his demon island is reference to a famous fairy tale about Momotaro, but in this case I'd say Momonosuke. In the story Momotaro travels to the island of demons, picking up 3 companions along the way, a dog, a monkey, and a pheasant. They defeat the demons/ogres and save the day.
Now there are 2 ways I'm thinking this will play out.
Of course the original Admirals were named in reference to these 3. But maybe Momotaronosuke has his own Monkey D. Luffy, Inuarashi (Dogstorm), and now we only need a pheasant. As for who might be Kiji (pheasant), who has wings and a hidden identity? None other than the Calamities own King, and his name is written キング. In English King and Kiji look different but the n (ン) and ji (ジ) in katakana are only 1 stroke different if you ignore the dakuten (small quotation mark things). Under King's mask is a bird beak!
Or M****omonosuke + Luffytaro = Momotaro, in other words they work together to defeat Kaido because lets be honest, Momonosuke isn't defeating Kaido, that's Luffy's job.
Another side-note. The Kitetsu blades, Sandai Kitetsu which Zoro uses and Nidai Kitetsu which Luffy is borrowing are written 鬼徹 which means Demon Piercer.
Okay, I'm finished having fun.
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So kiku did such good job as the trăitor that kaidou and orochi were going to boil her with the rest anyway, lol.
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How likely is Kiku the traitor? Her character seems mysterious at multiple parts of the story. Zoro says she's hiding something at one point. I mean obviously everyone is playing the down low when Kaido is involved, but she seems extra… spaced out, or something, and the way Zoro says that, in the anime at least, seems out of place. He is as if controlling her, with his sensing of something really beyond the veil being amiss, when he tells her to draw her sword all the time. I could be looking "way" into that, but also not if I'm able to pick up on it so strongly to where it's not entirely coincidental. Not sure if the gender stuff is part of her character or if the uncertainty of how she portrays herself factors into her double agency, or if it's a coincidental red herring.
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Think Kanjuto is most likely the traitor
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@uniaka:
So kiku did such good job as the trăitor that kaidou and orochi were going to boil her with the rest anyway, lol.
We're yet to see how that goes.
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@uniaka:
So kiku did such good job as the trăitor that kaidou and orochi were going to boil her with the rest anyway, lol.
I think they would have boiled everyone except the traitor. Which is why im so interested in what the process was going to be. If someone exwcution get delayed or was schedule last he jumps to the top.
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To be fair Kaido is the demon/ogre of this tale and lives on Demon Island and Kiku wears a demon mask.
Kaido and his demon island is reference to a famous fairy tale about Momotaro, but in this case I'd say Momonosuke. In the story Momotaro travels to the island of demons, picking up 3 companions along the way, a dog, a monkey, and a pheasant. They defeat the demons/ogres and save the day.
Now there are 2 ways I'm thinking this will play out.
Of course the original Admirals were named in reference to these 3. But maybe Momotaronosuke has his own Monkey D. Luffy, Inuarashi (Dogstorm), and now we only need a pheasant. As for who might be Kiji (pheasant), who has wings and a hidden identity? None other than the Calamities own King, and his name is written キング. In English King and Kiji look different but the n (ン) and ji (ジ) in katakana are only 1 stroke different if you ignore the dakuten (small quotation mark things). Under King's mask is a bird beak!
Or M****omonosuke + Luffytaro = Momotaro, in other words they work together to defeat Kaido because lets be honest, Momonosuke isn't defeating Kaido, that's Luffy's job.
Another side-note. The Kitetsu blades, Sandai Kitetsu which Zoro uses and Nidai Kitetsu which Luffy is borrowing are written 鬼徹 which means Demon Piercer.
Okay, I'm finished having fun.
The references to Momotaro are so all over the place in this arc that it's hard to put it all together and make a viable prediction. I mean, Momotaro befriended those three animals by feeding them dumplings, a power that here belongs to Tama (who in fact started the arc with a dog companion and then recruited a monkey, so she's only a pheasant short of already being Wano's Momotaro herself).
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I'm going through my reread starting at the end of Dressrosa. When Kanjuro makes the dragon drawing Kinemon doesn't approve…
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What happened when OP on breaks: people discussing type of horns, lmao.
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An interesting thing I've noticed looking back is that in chapter 920, Kin says that Oden was "taken to the Flower Capital as a criminal, tried and executed." Interesting, we haven't seen a trial yet, and as Greg and others have noted, Momo needs to have a close up encounter with Kaido before the flashback ends. I think next week we might see, say, Yasuie come make an effort to defend Oden legally, possibly with Momo stowing away to help out and ending up on the scene. Looking forward to Ace Attourney: Wano.
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An interesting thing I've noticed looking back is that in chapter 920, Kin says that Oden was "taken to the Flower Capital as a criminal, tried and executed." Interesting, we haven't seen a trial yet, and as Greg and others have noted, Momo needs to have a close up encounter with Kaido before the flashback ends. I think next week we might see, say, Yasuie come make an effort to defend Oden legally, possibly with Momo stowing away to help out and ending up on the scene. Looking forward to Ace Attourney: Wano.
Momo meeting Kaidou is well known at this point, and we've seen a glimpse of their meeting already. Its a matter of how he meets him.
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An interesting thing I've noticed looking back is that in chapter 920, Kin says that Oden was "taken to the Flower Capital as a criminal, tried and executed." Interesting, we haven't seen a trial yet, and as Greg and others have noted, Momo needs to have a close up encounter with Kaido before the flashback ends. I think next week we might see, say, Yasuie come make an effort to defend Oden legally, possibly with Momo stowing away to help out and ending up on the scene. Looking forward to Ace Attourney: Wano.
I supposed said trial already happened since the veredict and punishment are well known at this point.
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These horns are identical, king's ones have different shape/length :
https://imgur.com/a/VJ6UrEzThe only weird thing is that Kiku havent used that mask in the fb at all.
But The guys in Udon recognized it.
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I supposed said trial already happened since the veredict and punishment are well known at this point.
There hasn't been time! You can't just have a supreme leader decide the verdict and the punishment before the proceeding ever happened! This is kangaroo court - Oden deserves representation and a fair trail I say!
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What kind of defense could they even have? They were trying to assassinate one of the leaders of the country. I don't think 'But Kaido is evil' is gonna fly as a legal argument.
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Orochi probably just said there was a trial to the Wano citizens or there will be a 10 minutes mock trail before they are cooked to death.
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Fake!Oden went to the trial and make everything worse. Btw, we still need the Korozumi elders to die before the flashback is over besides everything else… this thing can easily go for at least 3 more chapters.
Btw, this horn discussion made me realize Kiku is known as a Scabbard for his* characteristic mask... that was not used at point so far. Hopefully we'll se him using it on the final conflict that will lead to Toki's death, but still.
- until we get more clarification on Kiku's gender, I am under the assumption he is an effeminate (possibly gay) guy rather than a trans woman.
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We don't know if Kin & co actually watched Raizo landing on Zunisha or not. All of them were too close at the critical moment:
! http://i2.mangareader.net/one-piece/920/one-piece-11393659.jpg
Also, I'm assuming the 4 time travelers could have den den mushis to communicate each other. (So that even Kiku could have been told about Raizo being in Zou). Is that wrong?
Late reply, but this is impossible since Kin'emon didn't even know what Den Den Mushi were.
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To be fair Kaido is the demon/ogre of this tale and lives on Demon Island and Kiku wears a demon mask.
Kaido and his demon island is reference to a famous fairy tale about Momotaro, but in this case I'd say Momonosuke. In the story Momotaro travels to the island of demons, picking up 3 companions along the way, a dog, a monkey, and a pheasant. They defeat the demons/ogres and save the day.
Now there are 2 ways I'm thinking this will play out.
Of course the original Admirals were named in reference to these 3. But maybe Momotaronosuke has his own Monkey D. Luffy, Inuarashi (Dogstorm), and now we only need a pheasant. As for who might be Kiji (pheasant), who has wings and a hidden identity? None other than the Calamities own King, and his name is written キング. In English King and Kiji look different but the n (ン) and ji (ジ) in katakana are only 1 stroke different if you ignore the dakuten (small quotation mark things). Under King's mask is a bird beak!
Or M****omonosuke + Luffytaro = Momotaro, in other words they work together to defeat Kaido because lets be honest, Momonosuke isn't defeating Kaido, that's Luffy's job.
Another side-note. The Kitetsu blades, Sandai Kitetsu which Zoro uses and Nidai Kitetsu which Luffy is borrowing are written 鬼徹 which means Demon Piercer.
Okay, I'm finished having fun.
pheasant could be Marco, it is highly likely he will appear even though he said he wouldn't since Cat has not appeared either
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So how does this work, did mr 2 and bartolomeo find their fruits in wano, or the fruits got reborn in paradise, or kaidou(orochi sold the fruits in paradise or to them.
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Kanjuro can communicate the info to Orochi by drawing birds and send them to him with messages, he doesn't need Den Den Mushi
In fact, I suspect this is the first thing he did after the 20 year jump:
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Ahh thanks. Please can you provide the chap were we knew that?
I believe he's referring to Ch. 822.
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Kanjuro can communicate the info to Orochi by drawing birds and send them to him with messages, he doesn't need Den Den Mushi
In fact, I suspect this is the first thing he did after the 20 year jump:
You know, those badly drawn birds have single-handedly convinced me that Kanjuuro is indeed the traitor.
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I wouldn't complain. He is the retainer with the least amount of characterization, he definitely could use the focus. I just hope it is not revealed his "true" drawings are good, losing the only interesting thing about him so far would be a shame.
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