Plot Threads

electricmastro

A thread for discussing the various points in the plot of the series that have yet to be fully followed-up on. What I think are examples of such points include:

2 - Why the One Piece came to be
19 - The origin of Devil Fruits
56 - The All Blue
96 - Tashigi’s relation to Kuina
100 - Dragon’s answer to the World
154 - The Will of D.
184 - How objects can eat Devil Fruits
192 - Why Pluton came to be
218 - The Void Century
224 - Emerald City
301 - Why Poseidon came to be
375 - Why there's no night at Enies Lobby
395 - The Great Kingdom
490 - Red-eyed shadows
497 - The Twenty Kings that created the World Government
507 - The Voice of All Things
524 - Why Tequila Wolf’s bridge was built
540 - Crocodile’s secret
577 - Blackbeard having two Devil Fruits
584 - Luffy’s mother
603 - Kuma’s motive for protecting the Sunny
610 - Fish-Man Island’s fate
648 - The Noah’s mission
649 - Joy Boy’s promise
650 - Why Uranus came to be
700 - The Rocky Port Incident
705 - CP-0’s intent
722 - Why the Nefertari Family choose not to live in Mary Geoise
793 - Kuzan’s affiliation with Blackbeard
802 - Why the Minks have lived on Zou for 1000 years
809 - The Dawn of the World
816 - The Minks’ connection to the Kozuki Family
821 - Zunesha’s crime
853 - The Three-Eye Tribe’s power to hear the Voice of All Things
905 - Why Ryokugyu didn’t have to eat for three years
906 - Mary Geoise's secret treasure; The giant straw hat at Mary Geoise
907 - Shanks’ pirate discussion with the Five Elders
908 - Bonney’s relationship with Kuma; Im’s motives
951 - King’s nearly extinct race and the two other races missing from Totto Land
956 - The incident with the Nefertari Family; Sabo’s fate; SWORD’s goal
957 - Rocks D. Xebec; God Valley’s fate; The Special Science Group
964 - What Toki knows from over 800 years ago
966 - Blackbeard never sleeping
967 - Joy Boy’s connection to Laugh Tale and the One Piece
968 - The Sea Kings’ two sovereigns; Wano’s opening for Joy Boy’s reappearance
996 - Momo’s survival for the dawn; The poneglyph Law found
999 - Yamato’s knowledge of the D. name
1000 - Oden’s description of the future
1003 - CP-0’s desire to see the pirates take each other out
1004 - The shadowed healer
1014 - Kaido’s familiarity with Joy Boy
1015 - Luffy’s communication with Momo and the Heart Pirates
1016 - Kaido’s reason for being at Wano
1017 - MADS; why the Government wanted the Gomu fruit
1018 - Sun God Nika
1019 - How Kaido got the Inu fruit
1020 - Wano's guardian deity
1023 - God's Land; Lunarians; Zoro and the Shimotsuki
1025 - Yamato and Kaido's oni background
1028 - The World Government annexing Wano
1031 - Sanji's switched eyebrow
1033 - The eradication of the Lunarians
1036 - King's discussion on Joy Boy and the Pirate King
1038 - The grim reaper
1040 - Zunesha’s relationship with Joy Boy
1044 - Luffy’s association with Joy Boy; will of Zoan devil fruits

Captain M

Wasn't it stated that every one of the Tobi Roppo was once a captain? Drake's crew and Ulti and Page One's people are presumably out there as well.

I don't think we'll see much of any of them though. They would all probably just be assimilated into the fodder of the Beasts Pirates. I think that detail was just to show that Kaido's always tried to break and recruit his enemies like he did for Luffy and Kid, not set up a future plot point.

A good inclusion would be the mostly-unseen figure in the striped kimono who arrived with Marco and Izo. The one potentially seen drinking with Crocus earlier in the story.

tolazy

@Captain:

Wasn't it stated that every one of the Tobi Roppo was once a captain? Drake's crew and Ulti and Page One's people are presumably out there as well.

I don't think we'll see much of any of them though. They would all probably just be assimilated into the fodder of the Beasts Pirates. I think that detail was just to show that Kaido's always tried to break and recruit his enemies like he did for Luffy and Kid, not set up a future plot point.

A good inclusion would be the mostly-unseen figure in the striped kimono who arrived with Marco and Izo. The one potentially seen drinking with Crocus earlier in the story.

I do wonder… will this end up being a SBS question, because there is a high possibility that figure was simply Izo and some people refuse to see it? I'm not saying that is a fact, but I believe it was Izo until proven wrong.

electricmastro

@Captain:

Wasn't it stated that every one of the Tobi Roppo was once a captain? Drake's crew and Ulti and Page One's people are presumably out there as well.

In the panels themselves, King appears to specify Who’s-Who and Sasaki in particular, and Ulti and Page One don't even call King out for leaving them out.

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FelRes

I didn't really get the impression their crews really matter. It's just a detail to establish the power Kaido has over others as well as the general strength it takes to be a tobi roppo. I wouldn't read into it any further. Likewise, I don't think Who's Who's connection to Jinbe was a big deal either. It's just someone he recognized, but iirc it wasn't really established that they're personally associated.

Captain M

@tolazy:

I do wonder… will this end up being a SBS question, because there is a high possibility that figure was simply Izo and some people refuse to see it? I'm not saying that is a fact, but I believe it was Izo until proven wrong.

I'll concede it doesn't have to be Crocus' mate (and that I was thinking kimonos when the silhouette actually looks more like its showing a cloak or a coat), but it still doesn't look like the same design as Izo to me. Whether you assume the dark and light there is a striped outfit or shadows, it just doesn't match how Oda's been drawing Izo.

@electricmastro:

In the panels themselves, King appears to specify Who’s-Who and Sasaki in particular, and Ulti and Page One not even calling King out for leaving them out.

https://i.ibb.co/q1VX0Vj/29-CD5-BF2-A696-40-F9-9-DDB-5320681-B09-AE.jpg

Fair enough! I wonder what their story is not that then.

One more crewmate curiosity is Hawkins' sole named underling Faust. Presumably he was integrated into Kaido's crew, but he hasn't been seen in all of Wano. Even without having an actual link to Zou, I'd be curious to see what he thinks about the other minks' conflict with Kaido.

But that's probably not a big enough deal to make an 'unresolved plot point' list.

electricmastro

@FelRes:

I didn't really get the impression their crews really matter. It's just a detail to establish the power Kaido has over others as well as the general strength it takes to be a tobi roppo. I wouldn't read into it any further. Likewise, I don't think Who's Who's connection to Jinbe was a big deal either. It's just someone he recognized, but iirc it wasn't really established that they're personally associated.

Well, how can more power be established with captains of small fry crews anyway? I’m honestly not sure if the detail of Who-Who’s talking about the past in relation to Jinbe should just be pushed aside either, in light of it being the exchange they had just before they started fighting each other. Oda being a man of many ideas that flow like a river in general must leave out a lot of ideas in order to make room for the best ones, so I don’t think he’d just use up panel space like that for nothing.

All Fiction

Are we sure that's not just folds of the kimono that are shaded?

black-leg jex

I think that's exactly what it is. It's just the way it is shaded.

The anime will clear it up for us though, so we won't have to wait too long.

Razh

@All:

Are we sure that's not just folds of the kimono that are shaded?

Maybe it's just a design that will/was to be changed in the volume release. Just remember how many changes Kanjuro's shaded outline went through.

King Cannon

@Captain:

I'll concede it doesn't have to be Crocus' mate (and that I was thinking kimonos when the silhouette actually looks more like its showing a cloak or a coat), but it still doesn't look like the same design as Izo to me. Whether you assume the dark and light there is a striped outfit or shadows, it just doesn't match how Oda's been drawing Izo.
https://i.imgur.com/toBvhD3.png https://i.imgur.com/Xm2aVpW.png

Pretty sure that's Izo's coat, not the kimono.

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@FelRes:

I didn't really get the impression their crews really matter. It's just a detail to establish the power Kaido has over others as well as the general strength it takes to be a tobi roppo. I wouldn't read into it any further. Likewise, I don't think Who's Who's connection to Jinbe was a big deal either. It's just someone he recognized, but iirc it wasn't really established that they're personally associated.

In that case, Oda shouldn't have bothered introducing the fact that Jinbe may know who Who's Who is. Could've made it generic dialogue.

FelRes

@electricmastro:

Well, how can more power be established with captains of small fry crews anyway? I’m honestly not sure if the detail of Who-Who’s talking about the past in relation to Jinbe should just be pushed aside either, in light of it being the exchange they had just before they started fighting each other. Oda being a man of many ideas that flow like a river in general must leave out a lot of ideas in order to make room for the best ones, so I don’t think he’d just use up panel space like that for nothing.

Who's Who acknowledges Jinbe as a warlord, saying he saw him once. That's incredibly vague. Maybe he and Jinbe had a direct encounter. Maybe it was indirect and Who's Who was a rando pirate or prisoner or some other sideliner of whatever status and just saw Jinbe while he was up to whatever business. No matter what his position was exactly, it reads as relatively insignificant and probably won't have any bearing on the story.

Kdom

Caribou also has to make a reappearance.
Was he the shadow hidden when Jinbe and Robin part way at the beginning of the battle ?

Shiebs

@Kdom:

Caribou also has to make a reappearance.
Was he the shadow hidden when Jinbe and Robin part way at the beginning of the battle ?

Didn’t Luffy offer him a ride after the war?

On another note I think Yamato’s devil fruit will be the Byakko fruit, it’s the polar opposite of his father

electricmastro

@Shiebs:

Didn’t Luffy offer him a ride after the war?

On another note I think Yamato’s devil fruit will be the Byakko fruit, it’s the polar opposite of his father

It has been suggested that Yamato ate some sort of tiger fruit, going back to imagery such as the color spread Oda drew for Chapter 526:

Shiebs

@electricmastro:

It has been suggested that Yamato ate some sort of tiger fruit, going back to imagery such as the color spread Oda drew for Chapter 526:

[qimg]https://i.ibb.co/r6qy4BH/07974-CF1-3192-4656-8-B8-F-9767790-A8678.png[/qimg]

Totally agree, the thing I mentioned, the Byakko is a mythical White Tiger the natural opposite of the Azure Dragon

Zik

@FelRes:

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/SIScqXz.png[/qimg]

Who's Who acknowledges Jinbe as a warlord, saying he saw him once. That's incredibly vague. Maybe he and Jinbe had a direct encounter. Maybe it was indirect and Who's Who was a rando pirate or prisoner or some other sideliner of whatever status and just saw Jinbe while he was up to whatever business. No matter what his position was exactly, it reads as relatively insignificant and probably won't have any bearing on the story.

I assume Who's Who possibly faced off against Jinbe or with a group before he had his devil fruit which is why Jinbe doesn't automatically recall the encounter.

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@electricmastro:

It has been suggested that Yamato ate some sort of tiger fruit, going back to imagery such as the color spread Oda drew for Chapter 526:

[qimg]https://i.ibb.co/r6qy4BH/07974-CF1-3192-4656-8-B8-F-9767790-A8678.png[/qimg]

Or what if Yamato ate a frog zoan? The frog in the colorspread is totally overlooked!

electricmastro

@Shiebs:

Totally agree, the thing I mentioned, the Byakko is a mythical White Tiger the natural opposite of the Azure Dragon

Ah right, indeed. Not sure who’s meant to be the tortoise and the bird though.

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Zik

@electricmastro:

Ah right, indeed. Not sure who’s meant to be the tortoise and the bird though.

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Well usually the bird of the South is interpreted as the phoenix so that would be Marco.

So right now all the turtle is left. Wouldn't put it past Oda to have all 4 be at Onigishama.

This is assuming Oda is basing it off of the 4 symbols and not the wu xing which is 5 animals.

Deicide

@FelRes:

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/SIScqXz.png[/qimg]

Who's Who acknowledges Jinbe as a warlord, saying he saw him once. That's incredibly vague. Maybe he and Jinbe had a direct encounter. Maybe it was indirect and Who's Who was a rando pirate or prisoner or some other sideliner of whatever status and just saw Jinbe while he was up to whatever business. No matter what his position was exactly, it reads as relatively insignificant and probably won't have any bearing on the story.

The way the dialogue continues seems to hint that the important detail is Who’s Who’s identity rather than the connection to Jinbe. Who’s Who may have been someone important that Jinbe met, but without any meaningful ties between them.

electricmastro

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electricmastro

@FelRes:

No matter what his position was exactly, it reads as relatively insignificant and probably won't have any bearing on the story.

Hmm.

FelRes

@electricmastro:

Hmm.

[qimg]https://i.ibb.co/PrWwMvT/9008688-B-97-C4-46-AE-8-A8-F-A843-C812-A3-E7.png[/qimg]

I was right in that his relationship with Jinbe was insignificant and they didn't actually know each other. His being a CP9 agent also isn't really important, it doesn't really matter how the fruit was lost. Point of the scene is that it was lost, he's just the exposition for that detail.

electricmastro

@FelRes:

I was right in that his relationship with Jinbe was insignificant and they didn't actually know each other. His being a CP9 agent also isn't really important, it doesn't really matter how the fruit was lost. Point of the scene is that it was lost, he's just the exposition for that detail.

If all of this was really unimportant, then none of this would have been mentioned, so I’m inclined to disagree. We’ll see where this goes though.

FelRes

@electricmastro:

If all of this was really unimportant, then none of this would have been mentioned, so I’m inclined to disagree. We’ll see where this goes though.

It was just to provide some flavorful context for how Luffy ended up with the fruit, and provide the implication that the gomu gomu may be of some special significance. From what we can tell so far, it really could have been anything. The cipher pol angle of it isn't the important part, but rather the consequences of the fruit being lost. Maybe there's more to it, who knows.

electricmastro

So, another ominous figure is referenced.

Cockycent

This conquest for the North Blue dates back a while ago. I believe this is why Pekoms and Germa's fate have not been addressed yet.

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electricmastro

Seems that the shadowed healer might have been Hiyori.

black-leg jex

Almost certainly. It looked like her silhouette.

electricmastro

Looks like the three samurai in the cave won't be particularly relevant to Yamato's story despite that flashback. They were probably just mainly meant to serve as more people Kaidou had wronged and nothing more.

Zik

Also to provide and add to Yamato's story that everybody that cared about or befriended him died mostly cuz of Kaido's warped view and teachings.

electricmastro

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electricmastro

So was the Void Century Joy Boy also Nika then?

Johnny B. Decent

@electricmastro:

So was the Void Century Joy Boy also Nika then?

Yup, at least in having the same DF.