Bounties After Wano

The D.

Wasn't Jinbei more radical in his youth? Or am I completely misremembering that?

Jabra

@The:

Wasn't Jinbei more radical in his youth? Or am I completely misremembering that?

Yeah, he was too brutal even for Arlong standards.

But the WG has no reason to give him an extraordinary bounty after he toned down a lot. The Gorosei know this, Sengoku knew this. They even feared that the human/fishman relations would suffer after he left.

The D.

@Jabra:

Yeah, he was too brutal even for Arlong standards.

But the WG has no reason to give him an extraordinary bounty after he toned down a lot. The Gorosei know this, Sengoku knew this. They even feared that the human/fishman relations would suffer after he left.

Maybe his initial bounty was fairly high before it was frozen. And he's proven himself to be a powerful opponent of the marines and government. Makes sense to me that his bounty would be high.

RomanceDawn

@The:

Maybe his initial bounty was fairly high before it was frozen. And he's proven himself to be a powerful opponent of the marines and government. Makes sense to me that his bounty would be high.

The highest Jimbei got before it was frozen was 250million. By the time they met up again at Fishman Island Jimebi was worth over 400million. I presume it was mainly because of Marineford. We didn't get the precise number until just a few years ago.

FolhaS

@King:

The problem is that the Tobi Roppo have people around X Drake's level. And Drake is considered to be a leading name in the new era, even captaining the super secret Marine organization.

And the likes of Hawkins and Apoo are below that. Hawkins alone has the potential to give both Luffy and Zoro trouble.

Hell, Zoro struggled against 200 Million Killer not too long ago. He even fainted from a single strike.

In other words, bounty numbers are completely arbitrary and we should never take them seriously.

I just read that chapter today so I think you're misremembering the Zoro vs Killer/Kamazu fight.
Zoro absolutly dominated. He started the fight with only two swords, was fighting Killer and the Fox Spirit at the same time, and had to tank a killing blow meant to Komurasaki and Toki.

I do agree that the bounties are meant to be exciting rather than accurate power levels but Zoro vs Killer was a no-contest.

The D.

@RomanceDawn:

The highest Jimbei got before it was frozen was 250million. By the time they met up again at Fishman Island Jimebi was worth over 400million. I presume it was mainly because of Marineford. We didn't get the precise number until just a few years ago.

That's what I was getting at. His bounty jump was probably when he proved himself an enemy of the marines and government at marineford.

King Cannon

@FolhaS:

I just read that chapter today so I think you're misremembering the Zoro vs Killer/Kamazu fight.
Zoro absolutly dominated. He started the fight with only two swords, was fighting Killer and the Fox Spirit at the same time, and had to tank a killing blow meant to Komurasaki and Toki.

I do agree that the bounties are meant to be exciting rather than accurate power levels but Zoro vs Killer was a no-contest.

Nah. I've reread this arc plenty. Zoro fainted after one strike, which is strangely unlike him, who's usually so durable.

The whole fight was actually even (you see Zoro and Killer trading blows left and right for a long time) with Gyukimaru observing until he attempted a strike, which allowed an opening for Killer and a counterattack for Zoro (since the scythe allowed him to use Santoryu).

And this was against a Killer that didn't have his usual weapon. I guess we can just assume the Worst Generation is underrated in terms of bounty.

FolhaS

@King:

Nah. I've reread this arc plenty. Zoro fainted after one strike, which is strangely unlike him, who's usually so durable.

The whole fight was actually even (you see Zoro and Killer trading blows left and right for a long time) with Gyukimaru observing until he attempted a strike, which allowed an opening for Killer and a counterattack for Zoro (since the scythe allowed him to use Santoryu).

And this was against a Killer that didn't have his usual weapon. I guess we can just assume the Worst Generation is underrated in terms of bounty.

If you're taking points away from Killer because he's not using his usual weapons then you gotta grant Zoro the same leway. He's fighting with two swords, not his usual three. The moment Zoro got his third blade the fight ended.
And while they where toe to toe for a little while, it was only because of Gyukimaru's interference that Killer got an opening.

Zoro fainting is indeed very attypical. The blade did go straight through him, which is also attypical in OP and shounen in general, and could mean a more serious wound, but I actually think that was just Oda going for the troupe: a warrior rescues a passing damsel, putting his life at risk, and then the damsel takes care of him while he recovers.

I do agree with the worst generation still being underrated in terms of bounties, Killer has 200 millions bounty and Zoro has a 300 million one.

I don't want to start a power level discussion, but I really am not under the impression than Zoro vs Killer is the same type of challenge we saw in Luffy vs Katakuri, where it felt the fight could go either way. I think Zoro would win this fight every single time.

Kaizoku_Ou

Luffy ~ 3B
Zoro 900K~1B
Sanji 700k~1B
Jimbie 800k~1B
Usopp ~400M
Robin 250~350M
Franky 200~400M
Brook 200~450M
Nami 150~250M
Chopper 150~300Berry or 1M

kirei_lanford

@FolhaS:

If you're taking points away from Killer because he's not using his usual weapons then you gotta grant Zoro the same leway. He's fighting with two swords, not his usual three. The moment Zoro got his third blade the fight ended.
And while they where toe to toe for a little while, it was only because of Gyukimaru's interference that Killer got an opening.

Zoro fainting is indeed very attypical. The blade did go straight through him, which is also attypical in OP and shounen in general, and could mean a more serious wound, but I actually think that was just Oda going for the troupe: a warrior rescues a passing damsel, putting his life at risk, and then the damsel takes care of him while he recovers.

I do agree with the worst generation still being underrated in terms of bounties, Killer has 200 millions bounty and Zoro has a 300 million one.

I don't want to start a power level discussion, but I really am not under the impression than Zoro vs Killer is the same type of challenge we saw in Luffy vs Katakuri, where it felt the fight could go either way. I think Zoro would win this fight every single time.

Well of course. Zoro might've had a hard time facing Kid but not against Killer. Ang you're right, he fainted due to some circumstances, but the main thing was to create some happy "anata-sama" time with hiyori, sorry Oda, got through you.

Myu

Killer might be using poison. We don't know much about him.

And Zoro probably will fight King. He admittedly wants to cut fire and now we have King the Wildfire in front of him.

You might think King is too much for Zoro but this will be a growth fight. And King loves to torture and Zoro is a great candidate for that, being one of the tankiest dudes in the series - giving Zoro room to grow in the process.

Claudio

Zoro didn't fight "Killer". He fought "Kamazou" and nothing suggests he used poison.

Zoro will also be part of the fight against Kaido. He didn't get "Enma" to just fight King instead.

Sengokusgoat

It doesn't have to be ''instead'', it can be ''in addition to''.

Claudio

Fight King in addition to Kaido? I doubt it. Orochi is more likely.

FolhaS

Honestly, I don't know why folks still consider Orochi as a big bad guy.
Before we entered Wano I also though the new shogun could be an actual threat, but since then we've seen him just be a dipshit and a cruel ruler. Yes, he has a dope fruit, that certainly gives him the capacity to subdue ordinary people but he'd be facing actual monsters this time. This feels like a Spandam 2.0 for me, Spadam also had a good sword, which in the right hands would've given us a cool fight, but in the end he got taken out by a character that's on the weaker side of the StrawHats (Robin) and that had very strong stories ties to bring him down.

Orochi had plenty of opportunities to use his full power and show dominance through it (and create hype for such fight) but he never did, in fact most of the time he had someone else do the dirty works for him. So, yeah, I'm sure he'll go down, most likely with the helping hand of a couple of strawhats, but it's not gonna be Zoro's big fight this arc. The dude hasn't gone all out since the time-skip and he already chopped down a mountain that knew how to use his powers (Pica), Orochi vs Zoro would just look like this page repeated 8 times.

Claudio

You really think that's how it will go if Zoro goes against Orochi? I very much doubt it. Oda just doesn't have actual characters get their heads cut off.

FolhaS

I don't think OP is the kind of series that would actually do that, no. It was just a colourful comparison.
Was just saying I believe Orochi has no chance against Zoro.

Claudio

Regardless; Zoro already tried to cut him down. I doubt it will end their.

FolhaS

Well, Zoro also cut Hody and that lead nowhere.
But I do get what you're saying, I can easily see Zoro being an important figure in the actual fight against Orochi, I just don't think that's the main course.

Claudio

Well to me it's clear Zoro will be an important figure in the fight against Kaido. He won't be the one to actually defeat him though, that's why I think he might defeat Orochi instead.

Robby

After Luffy got promoted to emporer and crossed the billion mark BEFORE this arc, guessing these things became impossible.

But given Roger's bounty and Go-Mu, I have to assume Luffy's final bounty will be 5.6 billion, (just over Rogers) though that might be too obvious.

Other than that, no idea though I think it's too soon for others to be hitting the billion mark. Just shy of it maybe for Zoro, like 800 or 900 mill, but there's only 10 known bounties over a billion currently, and that includes 5 emperors and the dead Roger and Whitebeard. (I'll assume 11 and figure Dragon is up there too.) Even 800 mill feels high, but then Luffy is already past where I thought his next bounty would take him… though to be fair we didn't know the final Emporer bounties then.

Even the "above 500 million" crowd is tiny. only another 9 or 10 characters if you count Ace. About another 30 characters with bounties over 200k though, I imagine all the strawhats will hit that threshold by the time the arc is done, I don't think Oda would run the same gag for Chopper again....

Also Blackbeard's gonna have to do something soon to get his up. He's gotta be top tier by series' end.

wolfwood

Defeating two emperors and rallying like half of the worst generation as his temporary subordinates and former warlord Jinbro as his permanent should right fully push him into the 4 billion bracket. But i'm gonna low ball it and guess that he doubles his current bounty

Candide

I think Chopper will get his first real bounty this time, but maybe they will consider him a turncloak since I expect him to fight in monster form and the WG could mistake him as Number or something.

I'm going with Luffy at 3 billion and BB at 4,5 billion after taking whatever he is after. So the gap between them will even grow. Kid and Law: 1,5 billion. Zoro around 1 billion, Sanji and Jinbe slightly below and the rest around 200-500 million.

wolfwood

So the weakest known guy in Shanks crew clocked in at a 100 million. Does that mean that we should expect the weakling trio to bounce beyond that mark once Luff is an established emperor?

Nilitch

I don't think that Rockstar is in the main crew. 94million is too low for an emperor crew right ? He's probably like just a "messenger" like Bobbin. After all, Rockstar wasn't at Marrineford when Shanks provoked Teach's crew.

And also, according to the Shanks-gonna-die-by-Teach's-hand theory. It would logically mean that Van Augur will kill Yasopp right ? but Yasopp is in the monster trio of Shanks right ? So, that would mean that Usopp is gonna climb to a top tier position in the near future ? after all, he's the next one in the crew to develop his haki
I mean, whatever happens between Shanks and Blackbeard, Usopp has to get a better bounty that his daddy

btw

! Charlotte Linlin - Beli 4,388,000,000
Charlotte Katakuri - Beli 1,057,000,000
Charlotte Smoothie - Beli 932,000,000
Charlotte Cracker - Beli 860,000,000
Charlotte Perospero - Beli 700,000,000
Charlotte Snack - Beli 600,000,000
Tamago - Beli 429,000,000
Pekoms - Beli330,000,000
Charlotte Daifuku - Beli 300,000,000
Charlotte Oven - Beli 300,000,000
! Charlotte Mont-d'Or Beli 120,000,000
Bobbin Beli105,500,000

Zhenja

@Nilitch:

I don't think that Rockstar is in the main crew. 94million is too low for an emperor crew right ? He's probably like just a "messenger" like Bobbin. After all, Rockstar wasn't at Marrineford when Shanks provoked Teach's crew.

That was two years ago, he was on the cover with Shanks and Beckman at the wedding.
Also, his bounty is probably higher now.

wolfwood

Oh was it only 94? Its been a while since i read that one. But eh its a fair starting bounty for a guy who just started at the very bottom of the totem pole. And it does tell you something about the structure of Shanks crew, if that guy is the errand boy. I still maintain the idea that Shanks has the smallest crew out of all the emperors, and that his entire fighting force can fit into the red force.

Sengokusgoat

Rockstar had just joined when he went to deliver that message iirc.

BingBang

Okey you defeat Big Mom and Kaidou, but you have Blackbeard and Shanks next. And even in those conditions i don't think Luffy will defeat Kaidou one to one alone. That's why that raise is going to be minimum. The ones I see a higher raise are Chopper, Jimbei and Zoro.

Luffy: 2200.000.000
Zoro: 1000.000.000
Sanji: 850.000.000
Jimbei: 1200.000.000
Franky: 420.000.000
Chopper: 700.000.000
Ussop: 400.000.000
Nami: 250.000.000
Robin: 430.000.000
Brook: 333.000.000

Alkz

I think Luffy will hit the 5.6 billions mark at the very end of the manga, but i find it very hard for SH to not get massive bounties after defeating two emperors (especially Zoro and Jinbe) even if not by themselves. But exactly as it was with WCI arc, i guess that the marines will think Luffy was the mastermind behind it all. And if after this Luffy really becomes a "New Emperor" i think it should be obvious for him to have at least two combatants above 1 billion. And after Wano the SH will have 3 Road Poneglyphs out of 4…there's no way the WG won't be worried about it, so i think Robin will get a significant increase too.

Luffy: 4.000.000.000
Jinbe: 1.230.000.000
Zoro: 1.060.000.000
Sanji: 770.000.000
Robin: 500.000.000
Usop: 350.000.000
Franky: 340.000.000
Brook: 333.000.000
Nami: 166.000.000
Chopper: 1.000.000

Deicide

Luffy: Close to Blackbeard's (around 2 bi).
Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe: Just bellow commander level (Between 500 mil and 1 bi)
Franky, Robin, Brook, Usopp: High threat level (300 to 500 mil)
Nami, Chopper: 100 to 300 mil

wolfwood

Call me crazy but i think Jinbei is going to keep a relatively low profile and won't be getting a huge hike out of this battle. I mean he'll get a bump, and he started out high so it'll end up high but not compared to the oldhats

Zhenja

Luffy getting 4 billion sounds realistic.
His meeting with Shanks ain't that far away, so he should be somewhere near his bounty if not above.

Monquito

@wolfwood:

Call me crazy but i think Jinbei is going to keep a relatively low profile and won't be getting a huge hike out of this battle. I mean he'll get a bump, and he started out high so it'll end up high but not compared to the oldhats

Makes sense for marketing purposes, that'll keep the original monster trio the same.

camey

Nice thread to kill off waiting time for new release chapters.

Here I goes the bounty predictions after Wano Arc:

1. Luffy (3.5 billion) - to be officially one of the Emperors after defeating Kaido 1vs1 in at least 3 rounds of fighting.
The threat of SH toward World Government is due to self-proclaimed SH Grand Fleet and acquisition of 3 Road Ponelglyph

2. Zoro (900 million) - established connection with Wano history.

3. Sanji (850 million) - established connection with Germa 66 and Raid Suit.

4. Jinbe (1 billion) - former Sichibukai. Defeating one of All Stars.

5. Robin (400 million) - SH acquisition 3 of the Road Ponelglyph and Robin can decipher it.

6. Usopp (300 million) - being part of the SH Pirates.

7. Franky (194 million) - being part of the SH Pirates.

8. Brook (183 million) - being part of the SH Pirates.

9. Nami (166 million) - being part of the SH Pirates.

10. Chopper (100 million) - being part of the SH Pirates.

11. Kid (1.5 billion) - defeating one of the All Stars.

12. Law (1.4 billion) - defeating one of the All Stars.

RomanceDawn

I feel much like Kuma recognizing each Straw Hat for their worth after Enies Lobby each Straw Hat will shine hard this go around. Dressrosa's 50 million for just being apart of the crew won't fly. Luffy's Chief Commanders and Officers will each have major moments of reverence! They will all be revered! Chopper's joke bounties end this saga!

silver_planet

i dont think WG will know how much road poneglyph SHP acquired as per moment

RomanceDawn

@silver_planet:

i dont think WG will know how much road poneglyph SHP acquired as per moment

Yeah it's a slim chance but the possibility is there with Drake around.

Nilitch

imo if Nami keeps Zeus, her bounty could very well explode at around 500million by EoS. aka Enel's "bounty" on the blue sea

Shiebs

Am I the only one who wants Chopper to be recognized for the threat he is? I mean the super low bounty thing was super funny at first but I’d really like him to be taken seriously by the marines at some point in this series

RomanceDawn

Well some people like the joke or want it to stay low to keep true to perceived patterns lol. Not me, I want Chopper’s bounty to sky rocket with an increase unheard of outside of any Straw Hat not named Luffy.

If he went straight to 300-400 million bounty I’d be jumping for joy! He wants to be recognized with a high number, I feel like Oda’s going to give it to him eventually.

Sengokusgoat

I think if Oda wanted to stop the joke he'd just take it to the opposite extreme and give him something absurd like one billion or something. And the description would be something like 'The monster of the straw hat crew, a brutal creature from the depths of hell that leaves nothing but absolute destruction in its path. VERY DANGEROUS. SHOOT ON SIGHT. ONLY DEAD.'

Deicide

@Deicide:

Luffy: Close to Blackbeard's (around 2 bi).
Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe: Just bellow commander level (Between 500 mil and 1 bi)
Franky, Robin, Brook, Usopp: High threat level (300 to 500 mil)
Nami, Chopper: 100 to 300 mil

Expanding on that. I don't think the crew will be quite on Yonkou level after this. They will win because of the alliance, and the other Worst Gen characters will benefit from it as well, so:

Luffy: 2 billion (+500 million)
Zoro: 820 million (+500 million)
Jinbe: 738 million (+300 million)
Sanji: 730 million (+400 million)
Usopp: 400 million (+200 million)
Robin: 320 million (+200 million)
Franky: 294 million (+200 million)
Brook: 283 million (+200 million)
Nami: 266 million (+200 million)
Chopper: 200 million and 100 bellies (+200 million, no more pet bounty joke)

The other worst gen characters:
Kid: 1.470 billion (+1 billion, like Luffy in WCI, will be the MVP of the arc)
Law: 1.1 billion (+600 million)
Drake: 1.022 billion (+800 million)
Hawkins: 920 million (+600 million, will betray Kaido)
Bege (if he joins the battle): 850 million (+500 million)
Killer: 600 million (+400 million)

And, just for fun, former Shichibukai bounties if all of them were to escape:
Mihawk: 1.8 billion (Yonko level as an individual, but no crew or influence to back him up)
Buggy: 1.5 billion (100x original frozen bounty. Former Roger crewmate, must die at any cost)
Weevil: 880 million (+400 million for all the crews he decimated by himself)
Hancock: 800 million (10x original frozen bounty)

Kaido King of the Beasts

Luffy: 3 billion
Zoro: 1.5 billion
Jinbe: 1.3 billion
Sanji: 1.2 billion
Usopp: 1 billion
Franky: 700 million
Robin: 600 million
Brook: 400 million
Nami: 200 million
Chopper: 1000

These amounts are just general estimates, they'll probably get some random millions values added on, especially the billions

Since Luffy's bounty was raised by a billion just for messing around with Big Mom + forming the Grand Fleet, him beating Kaido, even with help, should trigger an even bigger increase, and I think he would deserve to jump over Blackbeard at least for the time being.

I wouldn't be surprised if the WG starts paying more attention to Franky after this arc, given his involvement with Vegapunk's technology. Usopp will cause something crazy to get another inflated bounty. I could see Robin's bounty being lower than my prediction, even though imo that would just be another instance of the World Government undervaluing the threat she possesses.

RomanceDawn

I wonder how many more bounty increases we’ll get before the end? At least two more that’s for sure. Three seems like a good estimate if we assume there are say two sagas left after this one. But after this war that will be like 3 separate increases since conflicts with the Emperors started at Fishman Island so nothing is concrete.

Road to Raftel - Load Star, Elbaf, God Valley, Revolutionaries & Celestials, Shanks, Vegapunk, Laugh Tale = New Bounty

World War One Piece - Celestial Dragons & Revos, Black Beards, World Government… Hmmm could the Straw Hats be heroes of the planet yet still be considered outlaws?

eF it I don’t even know where I’m going with this. I guess I was trying to get into believable increases over the last years of One Piece.

Billion bounties just seem too high for the crew just yet if other Emperor commanders are anything to go by. It just seems too end game and I feel like Oda would still want his stars to be under dogs up until the very end. Of course Oda could very well be planning just that and want his main characters to be perceived as equals with the highest powers of the world sooner rather than later.

If Shanks’ crew mates end up with bounties that average much higher than the likes of the Katakiris and Queens then maybe a billion isn’t so soon for Zoro, Sanji or Jimbei. But then would they? They seem like the most peaceful of all.

I don't think Big Mom will fall the conventional way and it will result in her retreating before the end. Possibly to deal with her messed up memories and Elbaf later as an uneasy ally.

I figure Kaidou will get octuple teamed before Luffy is the last man standing delivering the final blow by himself or maybe with Momo. What ever the case the win may not grant Luffy a bounty in the 4 billions like Lin Lin and Kaido. The 3's seem like a fitting spot after this.

This might rub people the wrong way but I wouldn't be surprised if King, Queen, Jack and Smoothie are taken out in a group effort with a Straw Hat leading the charge. This could potentially result in a bounty increase that doesn't seem end of series worthy.

On the other hand Sanji didn't seem to have much issue with Drake and Page One. Of course those were quick skirmishes that don't mean too much but already the perception is there that those two couldn't take care of Sanji when the time came. So if push came to shove it seems like it would take the next tier up to handle Luffy's big 3.

Law and Kid need to stay away!

Oh and I just thought of something what if once Big Mom learns of awful past she completely loses her natural defenses for life!

StrawHatJedi

I think we can consider everything from Punk Hazard through Wano one long saga focused on Kaido / Big Mom.

I think the next big Saga will be focused on Shanks and Teach leading to Laugh Tale.

Then the final saga following Laugh Tale is the Final War.

This is just my prediction, so it's probably wrong.

I think after Wano, we'll have some type of Vegapunk / Revolutionary arc. Not sure what the path will be to Elbaf. I don't think there's a Road Poneglyph on Elbaf presently. Still, I expect it will be a major arc. I think Lodestar and God Valley are likely pre-Laugh Tale. My belief is that Luffy and Teach will fight on God Valley prior to Laugh Tale.

Then after Laugh Tale… no idea.

So based on this, I could see new bounties after a Vegapunk / Revolutionary incident. New bounties after defeating Teach. And new bounties after discovering One Piece.

Deicide

The next saga that has been built up since we entered the New World is the Revolutionary/Celestial Dragon one. The hints started way back with Fishman Island and the first talks about the Levelie, then expanded with each time we've seen CP0 nearby, so I think that comes next and will involve Hancock, slavery, the revolutionaries, Bonney and Kuma, the Vegapunk stuff, the SSG, God Valley, CP0, and Im. It will probably also expand Rocks lore in preparation for the saga after it.

In the background of this saga we will probably see Blackbeard moving against Shanks, just like we've seen the Levely stuff in the Yonkou saga. We will probably find the last Road Poneglyph as well.

Then the second saga is probably the one to reach Laugh Tale. Most likely by this point Blackbeard reigns supreme over the New World and it's a race between the Strawhats and the Blackbeards to reach the final island. It will probably finally have Elbaf as part of it somehow, reveal the past of Rocks and its link with Blackbeard, and end with a big battle between the crews in Laugh Tale itself.

Will there be something after Laugh Tale? I don't know. The big war against the Government could come either in the Celestial Dragon saga or after the Laugh Tale saga. I have no clue if Oda wants to end One Piece with a the very personal battle between Strawhats and their evil counterparts, or with a large battle against the government. Either could be the final arc.

The D.

All I know is that Franky is probably gonna get shafted again. I fear he's going to be a low bounty gag character as well…

Candide

@Deicide:

Will there be something after Laugh Tale? I don't know. The big war against the Government could come either in the Celestial Dragon saga or after the Laugh Tale saga. I have no clue if Oda wants to end One Piece with a the very personal battle between Strawhats and their evil counterparts, or with a large battle against the government. Either could be the final arc.

I don't see how the Strawhats can fight the world government after they already will have taken care of Blacbeard instead of the world government itself. Luffy will save the whole world when winning against Blackbeard, so I don't see a point to go after him from the world government's perspective. Either it will be a three-party all out war at Laugh Tale or the Strawhats and Blackbeard pirates will be the only remaining forces at this point. From a shonen perspective it has to end with a fight Luffy vs Blackbeard (similar as in pokemon it's the champion we have to fight last and not the TOP4).

uniaka ikuzakas

Depends how zolo can get for beating orochi.