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    Oda's Links Between Goa Kingdom, Reverie, and Luffy's Brotherhood

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      My brother and I have both been longtime readers of the series and have been chatting about some things recently that may be of interest to those of you One Piece theorists out there. Oda has spent the entire series peppering chapters with details that initially seem minor but ultimately are the key to the end of the series. Two of the most important arcs in One Piece are the Gray Terminal arc (Volume 60) and the Levely arc (Volume 90). Readers can breeze past these, but I can tell you there's a lot of great content that I think you should pay attention to.

      Keep in mind that while some of this is theory, I back everything up with facts you can find throughout the manga of One Piece. I hope you can go back and do some digging yourself to see where I'm coming from. Here's a bulleted list:

      • We're already fully aware of the significance of the Empty Throne. The tiny gold dots on top represent the islands in the Grand Line and the World Government's symbol represents the Road Poneglyphs/One Piece. But what about the moss-covered swords?

        • SIDE NOTE: The swords likely represent the fallen pirates and ambitious men attempting to sit atop the throne. Luffy could eventually sit there, but I don't think he'll stay long because it's not his motivation.
      • The Five Elder Stars know the truth of their world and want to keep their New World Order (post-Void Century) in place. They are aware that the world is being shaken up by a few major players. To quote the wielder of Shodai Kitetsu, "The world's equilibrium cannot be maintained forever. The time has come for a great cleansing." But what is this great cleansing they speak of?

      • Let's jump back to Luffy's past. The holocaust at Gray Terminal remains among one of the more terrible things caused by the Celestial Dragons. They wipe out thousands of citizens in a "great cleansing"—a genocide. Monkey D. Dragon makes sure to mention that what's happening in his homeland is a microcosm of society. If this is the case, does that mean that the Five Elder Stars are planning a mass extinction event?

        • SIDE NOTE: Dragon's home is Goa Kingdom, but he chose to have his son in the rural Windmill Village. Could he have been in hiding? Why? Does it have to do with the Will of D?
        • SIDE NOTE: This was perpetrated by Saint Jalmac, who seemed different from other Celestial Dragons because of his square bubble (is that a status symbol?). The Celestial Dragons have shown that they don't give a flying fuck about the lives of any common folk, so what's stopping them from erasing everything and starting over again?
      • Tying back to the idea of a mass extinction is the fact that the entire One Piece world is underwater. I don't think it was always this way (Pangaea castle, hint hint). Noah's ark was found in Fishman Island and that may have been the vessel that allowed the species of the world to survive such a purge.

      • The First 20 were 20 bloodlines that made it through an initial purge—potentially aboard Noah. The Nefertari family and the Doflamingo family are both part of the First 20, but their families abdicated the throne for a normal life. Why is this? Because they saw the evils of the world and still are aware of them.

        • SIDE NOTE: Even now, Cobra may have figured something out. The Five Elder Stars are onto him. Imu makes careful note not to tear up Vivi's photo, for some reason…
      • Imu is the Illuminati pulling the strings behind the scenes to maintain current hegemony. Very few people can see behind the curtain. Imu has taken a sword to the photos of Shirahoshi, Blackbeard, and Luffy. Why is this? Because they're the three most dangerous forces that threaten the current world order.

        • Shirahoshi is Poseidon. She controls Sea Kings. How might these come into play during a great flood?
        • Blackbeard's hobby is studying history and he clearly knows the truth of the world. He wants to destroy the current world order to build his own. He knows about the truth of the moon (if you've seen what it did to the Minks…and why did Eneru want to go back to his "home"?)
        • Luffy is Dragon's son. The Will of D.
        • SIDE NOTE: Are Imu's butterflies real? Or are they an ability for reconnaissance like Karasu's crows?

      Of course, this is Oda's social commentary for climate change and the threat of WWIII. A story like this could only have come out of Japan, as they received first-hand experience with the terrors of technology and war.

      Secondarily, Luffy has a lot of contenders for his final opponent: Akainu, Blackbeard, Garp, Dragon, Shanks… but his final opponent in One Piece may actually be his brother Ace. I'll explain.

      • Remember when the boys toasted sake cups and shared their dreams? Sabo wanted to see the world and write a book. Ace wanted to become a great pirate and make the whole world know his name. But Luffy's goal isn't shown. Smart readers can infer what Luffy really said.

      • His goal has always been to surpass his brothers. Luffy even states this as an adult once Ace is freed from the scaffolding. Thus, Luffy's goals are to become the pirate king and write a book about the islands he's visited. To surpass them at what they want to do. Of course, he will do this. But he will have to fight against his brothers first.

      • Akainu and Blackbeard are obvious villains, as they took the life of Luffy's brother. Ace was the most important person in the world to Luffy. But the reappearance of Moria on Pirate Island is ominous and Sabo speaking about dying during Levely doesn't bode well for him in the future.

      • Luffy will gain better use of fire in the Wano arc (he's been developing this ability since he unlocked Gear 2). Even though Luffy doesn't have a fire Logia, Oda has hinted that characters can utilize various elemental abilities. Sanji, Doflamingo, Katakuri, and Luffy all use fire. Brook uses ice. The Mink Tribe uses electricity. Et cetera.

        • Luffy has the arms but he needs the firepower if he truly wants his punches to be stronger than pistols.
        • SIDE NOTE: Oda even has a random soldier make the distinction between "fire" during the Paramount War.
        • SIDE NOTE 2: Watch out for "Red-Haired Luffy." This can be a homophone for "Crimson God Luffy" in Japanese, too. Just saying.
      • The Blackbeard Pirates killed Absalom for his DF ability and will kill Moria for his. Blackbeard is currently leaving his base, likely to Whitebeard's grave to revive them for his crew, and then to Levely to take down the Navy. He wants a New World Order.

      • Blackbeard loves antagonizing Luffy and sees him as a cute weakling with guts (and secretly, he's always felt like Luffy is a threat but would never show cowardice as the bully). In part 1, Teach wanted to take Luffy's head in order to set his plan in motion. Simultaneously, Teach has always wanted to have Ace join his crew and that plan hasn't changed in the New World. What better way to squash Luffy than to revive his dead brothers as crewmates?

      • Thus, Luffy will finally be forced to overcome both Ace and Sabo.

      • Finally—Gold Roger. Garp says that whenever Roger's friends were threatened, he turned into a demon. Imagine the kind of demon Luffy will become. They say he makes an appearance on a full moon. I wonder how Eneru's changed since too.

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        Very deep post,it was interesting to read,altough i am not fully convinced about some things

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          @NamiRobinFrankyAce:

          Very deep post,it was interesting to read,altough i am not fully convinced about some things

          Man, thanks for reading. I welcome disagreement as I’m not psychic… I’m sure that the story could go in entirely different directions. Hopefully, others will start to put together similar analyses about the series now that so much has happened!

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            @gyuukarubi:

              • SIDE NOTE: This was perpetrated by Saint Jalmac, who seemed different from other Celestial Dragons because of his square bubble (is that a status symbol?). The Celestial Dragons have shown that they don't give a flying fuck about the lives of any common folk, so what's stopping them from erasing everything and starting over again?

            The shape was different because he's pretty much wearing a hazmat suit. At Saboady, the Celestial dragons are wearing literal bubbles. The bubbles only exist from the mangroves that grow from the areas around the Red Line.

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            A magical strange Twilight Zone episode where no other education is offered, and the only option is Bill Nye the Science Guy videos

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              For the first part, I feel like you've picked out a lot of the right things to pay attention to, but I'm not fully convinced of the final conclusions yet. I don't think there's much genuine evidence for a great flood in the past. Oda would have done more to emphasise ancient sunken ruins and relics found on the sea floor if that was the case. The only underwater ruins that come to mind at all are from Jinbe's cover story, and that alone isn't enough. As it is, surviving hints at the ancient history of the world tend to be connected to the sky and the moon rather than the ocean, so that's were I think the Void Century/Ancient Kingdom/WG coverup plots are trending.

              The second part is a hard disagree for the most part. Luffy is unlikely to write any books, though I see Usopp or Robin becoming his chronicler towards the end of the story. Killing Sabo as well doesn't sit right with me, and would 100% validate the tragically popular idea that he's just an Ace clone. There are more than enough living characters capable of offering a good, character relevant and story-driven fight that we don't have to go full Naruto with Blackbeard raising the dead.

              I'm a little confused about the last point. Are you trying to suggest Luffy will unlock some human variety of Sulong? Does it connect to that point about "red hair Luffy," which also doesn't real clearly to me?

              But listen, regardless of the fact that I personally wouldn't want to see most of your predictions come true, this was a really well written and well evidenced analysis. Great work putting it all together.

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                @Captain:

                For the first part, I feel like you've picked out a lot of the right things to pay attention to, but I'm not fully convinced of the final conclusions yet. I don't think there's much genuine evidence for a great flood in the past. Oda would have done more to emphasise ancient sunken ruins and relics found on the sea floor if that was the case. The only underwater ruins that come to mind at all are from Jinbe's cover story, and that alone isn't enough. As it is, surviving hints at the ancient history of the world tend to be connected to the sky and the moon rather than the ocean, so that's were I think the Void Century/Ancient Kingdom/WG coverup plots are trending.

                I think Oda has chosen some interesting places to have ruins. I believe that the architecture on Zou is suspect, as well as the undersea part of Water 7, the ruins in this cover story, and any “Vearth” in general. His choice to use the word “Pangaea” as well. Not saying I’ve figured it all out, but it’s all very interesting and timely. On a side note, have you heard about how LIDAR is giving archeologists the ability to search the ocean floor? Some of the discoveries are really interesting.

                The second part is a hard disagree for the most part. Luffy is unlikely to write any books, though I see Usopp or Robin becoming his chronicler towards the end of the story. Killing Sabo as well doesn't sit right with me, and would 100% validate the tragically popular idea that he's just an Ace clone. There are more than enough living characters capable of offering a good, character relevant and story-driven fight that we don't have to go full Naruto with Blackbeard raising the dead.

                I’m just going by context clues. Blackbeard has steadily been taking over all of Whitebeard’s territory. Now that he has Moria with him, what’s stopping him from raising Ace from the dead? Also, the anime seems to have taken note of Sabo’s death flag this past episode.

                I'm a little confused about the last point. Are you trying to suggest Luffy will unlock some human variety of Sulong? Does it connect to that point about "red hair Luffy," which also doesn't real clearly to me?

                Potentially, as a “D.” The first time we see the moon affect a character’s behavior in One Piece is chapter 28… when Kuro slices up Merry. Oda felt it was important enough to name a volume after and I know we still haven’t been told the truth of the moon yet. The “red haired Luffy” theory is something I posted about in the past, mostly having to do with Luffy and Shanks trading epithets upon the return of the hat (perhaps in a Davy Back Fight).

                But listen, regardless of the fact that I personally wouldn't want to see most of your predictions come true, this was a really well written and well evidenced analysis. Great work putting it all together.

                Thanks for reading! I appreciate you.

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                  @gyuukarubi:

                  I think Oda has chosen some interesting places to have ruins. I believe that the architecture on Zou is suspect, as well as the undersea part of Water 7, the ruins in this cover story, and any “Vearth” in general. His choice to use the word “Pangaea” as well. Not saying I’ve figured it all out, but it’s all very interesting and timely. On a side note, have you heard about how LIDAR is giving archeologists the ability to search the ocean floor? Some of the discoveries are really interesting.

                  I’m just going by context clues. Blackbeard has steadily been taking over all of Whitebeard’s territory. Now that he has Moria with him, what’s stopping him from raising Ace from the dead? Also, the anime seems to have taken note of Sabo’s death flag this past episode.

                  Potentially, as a “D.” The first time we see the moon affect a character’s behavior in One Piece is chapter 28… when Kuro slices up Merry. Oda felt it was important enough to name a volume after and I know we still haven’t been told the truth of the moon yet. The “red haired Luffy” theory is something I posted about in the past, mostly having to do with Luffy and Shanks trading epithets upon the return of the hat (perhaps in a Davy Back Fight).

                  Thanks for reading! I appreciate you.

                  I'd need an explanation as to what makes Zou's architecture stand out. I don't think it looks particularly like any of the ruins we've been shown. The windows and markings are wrong compared to the moon ruins and they don't have any of the columns seen on Jinbe's underwater ones. I'm satisfied with the explanation already given for the undersea parts of Water Seven. "Pangea," I'm pretty sure just refers to the Redline being a pangaeic continent in and of itself. I did see some posts on LIDAR, either on Reddit or Tumblr, a little while back. It looked interesting, but I didn't get to searching any further than that.

                  I don't think Blackbeard is gonna go straight to Ace and Whitebeard because a) we don't have any evidence he planned for Moria to come to him, so it seems unlikely any key part of his plan hinges on Moria's powers. b) Ace and Whitebeard have been dead for two years and were presumably just buried, not preserved in any way. They'd be in a poor state to make zombies from, and we know that matters, since it was such a big deal that Oars was preserved by the ice and that Hogback was able to fix the corpses up. And c) Ace in particular hasn't shown much fighting power outside his devil fruit abilities, and who's to say how that's going to work post-death and after the power's been passed on. I don't think he'd come back with the power. Whitebeard's raw muscle mass could make him still useful in that capacity, but I still don't see it. Sabo certainly isn't out of the woods as far as possibly dying goes, but I'd prefer if he didn't. I'd also rather the threat/event of it not be used as a motivator for Luffy in such a similar way to Ace's death, should they follow through with him being caught at the Reverie or something like that.

                  The moon is significant for a whole host of reasons, but I don't think there's enough evidence to say it has any tangible effect on races other than minks. Kuro cut down Merry because he was a bastard. If it was going to be a moon thing, wouldn't Oda have gone for a full moon instead of a crescent? (though on that note, different races being boosted by different phases of the moon's cycle could actually be a really need fantasy world mechanic to explore.) I strongly doubt Luffy will abandon the straw hat or its epithet any time before the very last pages of the series. Its too central to the identity of the character and the manga both, and a permanent change to red hair for Luffy is just kinda… I just don't see it with the evidence we have so far.

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                    @gyuukarubi:

                    Secondarily, Luffy has a lot of contenders for his final opponent: Akainu, Blackbeard, Garp, Dragon, Shanks… but his final opponent in One Piece may actually be his brother Ace.

                    Not really. It's going to be Blackbeard.

                    http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=41960&page=109

                    (Please read the arguments made by the experienced users in this thread).

                    Carrot's still never gonna join the crew. ![](images/smilies/ipb/wink.png "Wink")

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                      Zombie Ace sounds great. One more chance to kill poochie. Like a montage of that emo bastard being looney toons style murdered. Acme safe being dropped on zombie Ace, maybe he has a little umbrella

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                        After 2 years he'd look like Ryuuma.

                        Originally Posted by Outerspec

                        Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                        It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                          Zombie Ace sounds great. One more chance to kill poochie. Like a montage of that emo bastard being looney toons style murdered. Acme safe being dropped on zombie Ace, maybe he has a little umbrella

                          How can you hate someone that was in the manga so little.

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                            He thinks freckles should be for gingers only!

                            Originally Posted by Outerspec

                            Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                            It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                              @desa:

                              How can you hate someone that was in the manga so little.

                              Poochie cast a dark shadow over the fandom for many a moon. This was of course in the before time, long long ago. Maybe the younger generations who grew up to late to suffer it's hardships have forgotten but we old men remember the hate

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                                  I think Akainu and Blackbeard are two equal but opposite overreactions to trauma.

                                  Akainu must have had some experiences in his youth that drove him to the conclusion that chaos cannot be permitted, that the rule of the world government/marines must be kept at all means and those who flagrantly violate them are the worst kind of people and their existence should not be tolerated.

                                  Blackbeard must have had some experiences in his youth that drove him to the conclusion that order cannot be permitted, that the rule of the world government/marines must be destroyed and any means necessary to do so is perfectly acceptable because the ends justify the means.

                                  Akainu believes that innocents suffer because chaos is permitted and then goes and causes great suffering to innocents in order to achieve this order.

                                  Blackbeard believes innocents suffer because unjust order is upheld and then goes and causes great suffering to innocents in order to bring down that order.

                                  Neither of them can separately or independently be the "final villain". Although Luffy is generally aligned more towards the later ideal, he has quite a lot of friends who are more aligned towards the former ideal.

                                  They are two sides of the same coin and that either means that they need to somehow be defeated together or that neither is worthy of actually being the final villain.

                                  However, I can't agree with the whole idea of reviving Ace. Because even if Ace's body were retrieved rather being under that gravestone, using Moriah's abilities wouldn't result in a revived ace– it would result in the amnesiac spirit of someone else occupying Ace's body as a temporary vessel. That is quite a different thing and would remove much of the impact of Luffy fighting his brother.

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                                    I really don't think Sabo is going to die. Everything would be for nothing if that were to happen and Luffy wouldn't be able to help him.

                                    I don't generally make predictions for the series, but if I were to throw some bones toward yours, I'd offer the idea that Ace's body would be revived with Sabo's shadow in your scenario. Blackbeard and the revolutionaries may have some meeting that leads to this (might be at the Reverie?) and you would get Ace's body, and inherited will from the shadow. If Luffy were to beat it he would truly surpass Ace. I most certainly don't think this hypothetical could ever be a final battle, though. Those aren't final battle stakes.

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