Who is the final villain 3.0
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Red dawgs freudian excuse/sob story.
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Oda usually gets to show us a tragic flashback that leads to a better person emerging
The flashbacks we get for Akainu and Teach are gonna be very interesting as a result
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I wouldn't be surprised if the OG Admirals got a shared Flashback
I dunno if we'll get much more backstory for Aokiji and Kizaru tbf
It would be cool but I don't think there's as much narrative scope for why one became a cool dude and the other became an airhead
What drives Akainu to be a authoritarian psycho though…
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Kizaru used to be normal before he hit his head and became the insane barely lucid killing machine he now is. All it takes is one bad day and all that
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Sakazuki's flashback is going to be "anatomy of a fascist" and I doubt it'll lead to him being a better person.
Kizaru used to be normal before he hit his head and became the insane barely lucid killing machine he now is. All it takes is one bad day and all that
Borsalino was once a hardcore straight-edge Marine who did no funny business until Kuzan slipped him some pot years ago.
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Oda explores the effects of substance abuse on people with craaazy superpowers
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I think he's on cocaine most of the time.
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This pika pika fruit makes me feel like i'm on this song
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@Cyan:
Sakazuki's flashback is going to be "anatomy of a fascist" and I doubt it'll lead to him being a better person.
Yeah I meant it would be interesting because we'd get Oda's usual great tragic backstories
But in the case of Sakazuki and Teach a better person will not be emerging from them
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The twist is that Sakazuki's flashback is a shot-for-shot remake of Robin's but at the end he's like "holy shit, this is awesome i want to do this".
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I'm expecting those flashbacks too.
Oda's already done it for Doflamingo.
We saw the hell his family was put through, and it only made him more bitter and twisted.
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I'm imagining Teach probably killed at least one person by age 10.
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Akainu is really the best example that one shouldn't take everything said at face value.
At least I didn't expect that his Fleet Admiral appointment would lead to him being
1. yelled at by his subordinates
2. trolled by his predecessor
3. lowkey undermined by his predecessor
4. completely ridiculed and/or ignored by his superiorsIt's completely against the expectations set up during Fishman Island, where he was supposed to be the head of a much more fearsome Marine force.
Really have to wonder what Oda has in store for him.
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Looking forward to Oda really laying it on thick in Teach's flashback in terms of how good friends he was with Thatch
Really dial the piece-of-shit-o-meter up to 11
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Looking forward to Oda really laying it on thick in Teach's flashback in terms of how good friends he was with Thatch
Really dial the piece-of-shit-o-meter up to 11
Apparently Thatch was the chef, and we all know how much fatbeard loves his pie. The cherry pie is a symbol of the heavy sacrifices BB had to make to fulfill his dream
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Blackbeard wont be final villain, the build up of the story leading up to World Government as final villains. The best candidates are Akainu or Im, but i think Akainu will fight Luffy and Dragon will fight Imu (pirate are anti thesis of Marine and Revolutionary are anti thesis of Government).
Blackbeard will fight Luffy at Laugh Tale because the two best candidates for pirate king sould fight for the pirate king title. And after Luffy became the pirate king, Zoro will fight Mihawk and other SHs will achieve their dream. And since they already know the true history, the will "fix" the world and that will causing chaos and triggering the world government (this is what Oda mean that in final arc the wolrd will turn into turmoil).
And i think Kid also will fight Luffy at Lode Star, why? Because both are from the same generation that just using different routes and portrayed equally, so the best place for the to fight are at where the route became one which is Lode Star.
So thats it, the final villain are either Akainu or Imu.
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It really makes no sense.
The WG is like "yeah, live peacefully, just don't search for this square stones"
Meanwhile Teach is like "Yeah, fuck that, fuck this, fuck everyone and everything, fuck God if it exists, fuck sleeping, fuck u all"
It reaaaally seems like the one taking over the big game is Teach.
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Not to mention, Teach being a dark mirror of Luffy: a pirate who believes in dreams and has big ambitions, is reckless in achieving them, cares about his crew, is a D. while also being you know… evil.
Seems perfect for a final villain to me.
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Unlike a lot of of people I wasn't convinced Blackbeard would be the final villain until the whole "Rocks" thing which was fairly recent.
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I think the final villain will be Rocks - because I voted that for some reason.
Hopefully Teach will turn out to be the incarnation of Rocks so that I end up right in the end.
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Well his name was "Xebec", right?
He was an evil "D" like Blackbeard, with the goal to become "king of the world". Blackbeard will accomplish that.
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Blackbeard is the new Rocks, Luffy is the new Roger. Roger fought Rocks alongside Garp, the good marine, in the greatest battle of the previous Era. 1+1=2.
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Not quite sure what you're trying to say. Oda isn't going for an exact parallel.
Luffy will do what Roger couldn't but Blackbeard will also succeed were Xebec failed.
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Kaido and Big Mom also want to dominate the world and yet, they going down this arc.
Then how BB and WG will play a role. WB said a giant war will be happen if one piece is found, meaning there is still an arc after Luffy become the pirate king. If BB really final villain, will he overthrow WG? WG is the one who currently siting on a throne of the world. Then what is the point of Revolutionary?
I understand if you say BB is the final villain, because he have higher ambition or some shit. Bu how the other big names will play a role?
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Try going through the thread and seeing what people had said on all of this before.
But in short? Three way fight with three ancient weapons.
Blackbeard is the evil Luffy with the evil counterpart to his crew though, he's the endgame for a shonen series.
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Don't forget the Marine/WG split, between the absolute justice mofos and the good hearted guys like Smoker, Tashigi, and Coby.
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Luffy defeats BB, becomes PK, starts the war with the WG together with Sabo, who at this point will be the leader of the revolutionary army.
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I trust Oda won't do something that bad.
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Blackbeard's been in the story in some form since Drum, was the inciter of the the big status-quo changing battle that directly led to the time skip, is named after the most famous pirate of all time, and more to the point, has more than five panels of screen time.
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Im is going to eat him and gain all his abilities.
Shocked faces
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What if it's the other way around? Blackbeard absorbs Im into his void and gain all his abilities (whatever they are).
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I was mostly making a joke but considering the situation we had with Big Mom and Carmel…
In terms of Im's abilities, I just think he is a space(celestial) dragon.
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Try going through the thread and seeing what people had said on all of this before.
But in short? Three way fight with three ancient weapons.
Blackbeard is the evil Luffy with the evil counterpart to his crew though, he's the endgame for a shonen series.
You say this repeatedly. How any Shonen series actually work like this?
A three way war is a stupid idea and maybe we should actually learn what Uranus is before you make such bold proclamations with absolute certainty. It seems likely to me that the weapons are meant to work together.
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It really makes no sense.
The WG is like "yeah, live peacefully, just don't search for this square stones"
Meanwhile Teach is like "Yeah, fuck that, fuck this, fuck everyone and everything, fuck God if it exists, fuck sleeping, fuck u all"
It reaaaally seems like the one taking over the big game is Teach.
Yeah, okay. That's all the World Government does. I mean, those square stones exist and have been protected for 800 years because of a power controlling the world that is not Blackbeard. Roger chose not to stand up and change the world because the pieces were not yet in place 24 years ago. One Piece itself exists to stop someone that isn't Blackbeard. But yeah, that makes perfect sense.
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Roger was going to die.
And the point is, the WG is just mantaining status quo and Teach is being written in a super destroyer of status quo way that is just hard to picture the slackers who barely do anything as the main villains, instead of the super active pirate messing around with everyone out there.
Heck, Teach challenged The Revolutionaries in their own home way before the WG ever did.
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Roger was going to die.
And the point is, the WG is just mantaining status quo and Teach is being written in a super destroyer of status quo way that is just hard to picture the slackers who barely do anything as the main villains, instead of the super active pirate messing around with everyone out there.
Heck, Teach challenged The Revolutionaries in their own home way before the WG ever did.
The World Government are not 'slackers who never do anything.'
One Piece, the Poneglyphs, etc. exist for a purpose. That purpose is to stop something / someone who currently holds power. The symbolism is day / night. The world is in a state of darkness or night presently that has existed for 800 years. The New Dawn is coming.
Roger was dying and realized the pieces were not in place to challenge the world. Shirahoshi would not be born for another 10 years and would take 15 to grow. Knowing that he would die before the appointed time, he chose instead to turn himself in and use his dying words to inspire a successor who he knew would reach Laugh Tale and challenge the world in a way that he could not. He was too early. The time wasn't right for him, but it will be right for his successor.
Teach is being written as Luffy's primary ally to claim One Piece. But the story goes on after One Piece is claimed. The thing Roger was too early to do still needs to be done. Roger told Whitebeard everything. Whitebeard expected that Ace would be the one to follow behind Roger until Ace's death. He warned Sengoku and the World Government of the great war that will come after the treasure is discovered. The time will be right to challenge the world and 'shoulder centuries of history.'
What is going on in the One Piece world began 800 years ago. Teach is not 'disturbing the status quo', he'd be undermining the entire purpose of One Piece if he can defeat the powers that Roger couldn't without the treasure. Teach is not the person Roger has been waiting for. He's not fit to inherit One Piece. Luffy does not want to become Pirate King because he cares about something vain like possessing a title. He doesn't want to rule anything. He doesn't want praise. He wants freedom. Luffy's primary driving motivation is ultimate freedom. The World Government and the power that controls it are the antithesis of freedom. Roger never declared himself Pirate King. The title was foisted upon him. The title is irrelevant. What prevents the wrong person from reaching Laugh Tale is the fact that the Four Road Poneglyphs were entrusted to allies of the one who left One Piece on Laugh Tale. Only someone like Luffy who can make friends with everyone will be able to reach Laugh Tale. That's how Roger did it and, at the battle of Marineford, Mihawk said that is where Luffy's greatest strength resides. Someone like Teach is unfit to reach Laugh Tale and even if he could steal the treasure, he'd be unable to challenge the world because he doesn't have friends and allies around the world from his travels. That's the point. That's why One Piece is located in the most unreachable place. That's why the person who finds it has to circumnavigate the globe first. That's the only way the world can be challenged and changed. That's the only way that the New Dawn can rise. Teach cannot be the person to uproot the evil power that has controlled the world for 800 years because the message would then be that power, strength, brutality is the ultimate virtue and was the only thing needed to change the world. But Roger knew the challenge before him. He knew he could ask Newgate for help. He had Rayleigh and Oden by his side. He also knew the True History and the truth of the power that controls the world. There's more going on and we don't yet know the whole picture. What we do know is Teach did not factor into the plan that was put in place 800 years ago. One Piece itself exists to bring about a global change and Teach is not the person to lead the revolution.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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You are ignoring Dragon to suit your preferred narrative. Dragon will have a big role to play.
And Blackbeard will do what Xebec couldn't. Only then will Luffy do what Roger couldn't.
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You are ignoring Dragon to suit your preferred narrative. Dragon will have a big role to play.
And Blackbeard will do what Xebec couldn't. Only then will Luffy do what Roger couldn't.
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I'm not ignoring Dragon. Obviously he will have a role to play, but not the central role. Dragon likely does not know everything. Roger did know everything.
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No, Teach is not going to succeed where Xebec failed. Teach is going to fail as well. He's not the right person to inherit One Piece. If he can defeat the entity that One Piece was left to stop without One Piece, One Piece was never needed. You're ignoring One Piece itself, the void century, and the Poneglyphs to suit your preferred narrative.
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So you don't think the One Piece, as this ~thing~/weapon to defeat an entity, cannot be misused?
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You are ignoring Dragon to suit your preferred narrative. Dragon will have a big role to play.
And Blackbeard will do what Xebec couldn't. Only then will Luffy do what Roger couldn't.
Dragon's role is to fail.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
The World Government and the power that controls it are the antithesis of freedom.
Exactly therein lies the crux. The antithesis actually is NOT the measure of all things. There is something way more fucked up. In his book "Story" Robert Mc Kee calls it the negation of negation.
As a good/great author you should always strive for the negation of negation of your story's core theme - instead of just going for the mere antithesis.In One Piece whereas the World Gouverment of course represents the antithesis, however, Blackbeard actually represents that negation of negation which will give us a way more fulfilling overall story when Luffy at the very end will pummel an embodiment of this negation of negation (instead of a mere embodiment of just the antithesis).
So what is the negation of negation in case of the core value freedom? Actually there is not one and only specific way to nail the negation of negation. McKee gives as example: slavery, but everyone perceives it as freedom - which may be a perfect description for chaos aka what Blackbeard represents. Nevertheless Blackbeard is a perfect embodiment of the negation of negation of the core theme of One Piece.
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I'm not ignoring Dragon. Obviously he will have a role to play, but not the central role. Dragon likely does not know everything. Roger did know everything.
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No, Teach is not going to succeed where Xebec failed. Teach is going to fail as well. He's not the right person to inherit One Piece. If he can defeat the entity that One Piece was left to stop without One Piece, One Piece was never needed. You're ignoring One Piece itself, the void century, and the Poneglyphs to suit your preferred narrative.
I'm not exactly of the belief that Blackbeard will inherit "One Piece". He will just replace Imu. You seem to know what the "One Piece" is exactly. Please do tell. All I know is that "One Piece" is needed to do what Roger couldn't. Blackbeard wouldn't want to do what Roger couldn't anyway. Luffy will but Blackbeard would take after Xebec.
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Dragon's role is to fail.
I agree but maybe he will do enough damage that Blackbeard will be able to succeed in overthrowing Imu.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Only someone like Luffy who can make friends with everyone will be able to reach Laugh Tale. That's how Roger did it and, at the battle of Marineford, Mihawk said that is where Luffy's greatest strength resides. Someone like Teach is unfit to reach Laugh Tale and even if he could steal the treasure, he'd be unable to challenge the world because he doesn't have friends and allies around the world from his travels. That's the point. That's why One Piece is located in the most unreachable place. That's why the person who finds it has to circumnavigate the globe first. That's the only way the world can be challenged and changed. That's the only way that the New Dawn can rise. Teach cannot be the person to uproot the evil power that has controlled the world for 800 years because the message would then be that power, strength, brutality is the ultimate virtue and was the only thing needed to change the world. But Roger knew the challenge before him. He knew he could ask Newgate for help. He had Rayleigh and Oden by his side. He also knew the True History and the truth of the power that controls the world. There's more going on and we don't yet know the whole picture. What we do know is Teach did not factor into the plan that was put in place 800 years ago. One Piece itself exists to bring about a global change and Teach is not the person to lead the revolution.
Pretty interesting read just not sure I quite agree with a few things. I completely agree that Teach most likely has not amassed an army of friends along his travels but as an Emperor he definitely has pirate crews and nations under his banner. Should he gain an ancient weapon for the final world war I could easily see the bastards of the world wanting to join him either because they like his style or are just afraid of him.
Teach is definitely not the man Roger is waiting for but what happens if that becomes the case anyway? All the prophecies and new dawns become perverted. Then the world reaches it's worst case scenario for a little while. Not saying that it will happen but just reaching Raftel is an entirely separate set of events compared to how one handles the information once there. Roger was willing to tell Newgate the trick to making it to Laugh Tale implying that if anyone knows how then anyone could make a successful journey. Now everyone can't of course but anyone could. Teach easily could. Rayleigh mentioned that information gained about the void century could be interpreted in different ways. We all have a very pure and righteous idea of what the New Dawn could mean and bring. Teach and his merry band of Black Beards could bring upon a New Dawn that is absolutely terrible for the world at large.
I guess I'm a little hung up on the idea that one needs a massive amount of allies and friends to reach Laugh Tale and to make use of the information. Like we know that people who knew Roger and Luffy see the similarities but we don't know if the Roger's gained allies like the Straw Hats. I just had a sense that a ton of people hated Roger.
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Yamato is the final villain!
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@K.:
So you don't think the One Piece, as this ~thing~/weapon to defeat an entity, cannot be misused?
We don't know what One Piece is, but I don't think it's a weapon.
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I'm not exactly of the belief that Blackbeard will inherit "One Piece". He will just replace Imu. You seem to know what the "One Piece" is exactly. Please do tell. All I know is that "One Piece" is needed to do what Roger couldn't. Blackbeard wouldn't want to do what Roger couldn't anyway. Luffy will but Blackbeard would take after Xebec.
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I agree but maybe he will do enough damage that Blackbeard will be able to succeed in overthrowing Imu.
No, I obviously don't know what One Piece is, but we can piece together its intended purpose and the significance it has to the entire world. Xebec was defeated 39 years ago. This was 11 years before Roger even began his final journey in the Grand Line. He's the enemy Roger did defeat. I do agree that Teach will take after Xebec and create a new group of powerful pirates… and he'll also fail, like Xebec because that is not the way to change the world and definitely not the way to reach One Piece. I don't know what One Piece is, but I do know that for the story to have any meaning, it should not be possible to do the thing One Piece is meant to do without One Piece. If the thing can be done without One Piece, One Piece was never needed, which makes the entire story pointless. You know what One Piece becomes then? The friends you made along the way. That's the only treasure left because the treasure would be worthless if Teach did the thing without the treasure and all Luffy needs to do is beat up Teach.
What Roger 'couldn't' is the biggest thing. It is more important than beating up someone like Teach.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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I had almost forgotten how much i hated the last minute imu thing.
Way to kick out your own legs Oda.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
The World Government are not 'slackers who never do anything.'
One Piece, the Poneglyphs, etc. exist for a purpose. That purpose is to stop something / someone who currently holds power. The symbolism is day / night. The world is in a state of darkness or night presently that has existed for 800 years. The New Dawn is coming.
Roger was dying and realized the pieces were not in place to challenge the world. Shirahoshi would not be born for another 10 years and would take 15 to grow. Knowing that he would die before the appointed time, he chose instead to turn himself in and use his dying words to inspire a successor who he knew would reach Laugh Tale and challenge the world in a way that he could not. He was too early. The time wasn't right for him, but it will be right for his successor.
Teach is being written as Luffy's primary ally to claim One Piece. But the story goes on after One Piece is claimed. The thing Roger was too early to do still needs to be done. Roger told Whitebeard everything. Whitebeard expected that Ace would be the one to follow behind Roger until Ace's death. He warned Sengoku and the World Government of the great war that will come after the treasure is discovered. The time will be right to challenge the world and 'shoulder centuries of history.'
What is going on in the One Piece world began 800 years ago. Teach is not 'disturbing the status quo', he'd be undermining the entire purpose of One Piece if he can defeat the powers that Roger couldn't without the treasure. Teach is not the person Roger has been waiting for. He's not fit to inherit One Piece. Luffy does not want to become Pirate King because he cares about something vain like possessing a title. He doesn't want to rule anything. He doesn't want praise. He wants freedom. Luffy's primary driving motivation is ultimate freedom. The World Government and the power that controls it are the antithesis of freedom. Roger never declared himself Pirate King. The title was foisted upon him. The title is irrelevant. What prevents the wrong person from reaching Laugh Tale is the fact that the Four Road Poneglyphs were entrusted to allies of the one who left One Piece on Laugh Tale. Only someone like Luffy who can make friends with everyone will be able to reach Laugh Tale. That's how Roger did it and, at the battle of Marineford, Mihawk said that is where Luffy's greatest strength resides. Someone like Teach is unfit to reach Laugh Tale and even if he could steal the treasure, he'd be unable to challenge the world because he doesn't have friends and allies around the world from his travels. That's the point. That's why One Piece is located in the most unreachable place. That's why the person who finds it has to circumnavigate the globe first. That's the only way the world can be challenged and changed. That's the only way that the New Dawn can rise. Teach cannot be the person to uproot the evil power that has controlled the world for 800 years because the message would then be that power, strength, brutality is the ultimate virtue and was the only thing needed to change the world. But Roger knew the challenge before him. He knew he could ask Newgate for help. He had Rayleigh and Oden by his side. He also knew the True History and the truth of the power that controls the world. There's more going on and we don't yet know the whole picture. What we do know is Teach did not factor into the plan that was put in place 800 years ago. One Piece itself exists to bring about a global change and Teach is not the person to lead the revolution.
You can't tell me the WG arent slackers while literally providing NO PROOF of the opposite.
Luffy will be one Road Poneglyph away from getting Laugh Tale's location, what have the WG done to prevent that?
And again, the last time we've heard of Teach he was going to compete with the Marines for something, If Teach comes out victorious out of that one, it'll be yet more proof that's he's the bigger threat.
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The final villain of One Piece is the inevitable march of time.
One Piece is a long-running series, long enough that some readers weren't born yet when it started. There's memes about how long it's been going and how it gets better after the 2586th episode. It's easy to see a series that's been going on for so long as a normal part of life, a constant, and to joke about how long it is or how it's never going to end.
But one day it will reach a conclusion. Not long after that day, fans will be hit with the cold, hard reality that they'll no longer get their weekly chapter. Which was fine when it was on break for a week, because you knew it'd come back the week after (or in a couple weeks sometimes during holiday breaks). But never having another chapter again? No longer seeing the great adventures, the glorious triumphs and struggles and the silly antics of the rubber pirate crew ever again? Something that was a normal part of your week for years, maybe even decades, has gone. Something you might not remember what it's like to live without is now something you'll never live with again, and you'll have to figure out how to fill that void.
Maybe you'll fill it by finding another manga to read. Or a webcomic or some other weekly serial. One Piece certainly isn't the only one out there, and maybe you'll find one you like even more. But then you'll have to deal with the aftermath of your replacement series ending someday too. Maybe you'll reread the series from start to finish. But in doing that, you'll constantly be aware of how it's over, and that you'll never get another chapter.
Whether you think the final villain is Blackbeard, the World Government, or someone else, it's undeniable that the passing of time dwarfs every villain and hero in One Piece in scale. Unlike them, who will either be defeated or have their body give out to age eventually, time isn't temporary, in-universe or out of it. We were born of the void and the void will eventually consume all of us again.
I accept Jesus Burgess as my Lord and Savior
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But never having another chapter again? No longer seeing the great adventures, the glorious triumphs and struggles and the silly antics of the rubber pirate crew ever again? Something that was a normal part of your week for years, maybe even decades, has gone. Something you might not remember what it's like to live without is now something you'll never live with again, and you'll have to figure out how to fill that void.
They're going to keep making non-canon movies for decades. And spinoffs and tie ins. It doesn't have to be Oda helming it when the manga ends.
Just look at Lupin or Dragonball. There's gaps certainly but they're mainstay parts of the culture, they get new stuff consistently. And the OP world is vast enough that, like Star Wars, they can focus on side characters and do stories that are arguably canon for forever. You better believe there's going to be mini comics about Law and Ace and Sabo and Bart that go for a few volumes. Or "That time I was reincarnated as Helmeppo" or adventures in space or following their kids or whatever else.
The only possible obstacle is how power scaled the crew will be by the end of it all, but movies find a way.
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One pieces boruto spin-off can be called Ruffy.
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Each of the Captains of the Grand Fleet do make for great spin-offs to be honest.
