Was it said that Ryuuma actually killed the dragon? Because if not, he only cut him, then Kaidou has that scar from ryuuma since it's only 3 years before kaidou takes over wano. And makes sense why moria would want the body of the guy that hurt kaidou. Also makes sense since kaidou got defeated many times.
Chapter 921: Shutenmaru
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Luffy's full colored kimono can be seen in luffytaro card of vivre card along with zoro's kimono on zorojorou card
I saw them But they are different… Zoro is wearing all green in that where as here it is Grey so that is why I want to see the original torn Kimono with all patches in colour.
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I get the sentiment that the Marines or even the Cipher Pol should at least have any intel on who occupies Wano. I immediately thought of Stussy, given her position on the underworld and that there were pleasure district in Wano. Fleet Admiral Sakazuki being cautious with the forces of Wano without any hints that they have idea on what is happening on the island… BUT... it can easily be retconned that they do know of Kaido's involvement in Wano.. Its just the feeling that it would have been more amazing if there were more subtle hints before Kinemon's or any character in the Wano Arc's exposition.
on the other hand... the Shutenmaru and Jack's clash and the sudden appearace of Kaido felt a bit rushed. This is what I dislike in One Piece. Certain storyline gets this kind of treatment in favor of another. Was expecting more from the character who's the namesake of the chapter. Eitherway, as expected, Kaido's design is really monstrous. GODA is really amazing.
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Im one of the people who really like the involvement of kaido here at this point. It's ike when enel came down and wiped out a lot of the forces in Skypeia. Or when lucci and CP-9 wrecked zoro and luffy. Or when crocodile came in the desert and defeated luffy with ease. I think as long as next chapter kaido does something significant to show off his strength of why he's a yonkou it would make him feel more present in the arc. It would be kind of disappointing if all he does is something like offscreen shutenmaru and tell jack to find the SH's though.
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Taeyeon:I get the sentiment that the Marines or even the Cipher Pol should at least have any intel on who occupies Wano. I immediately thought of Stussy, given her position on the underworld and that there were pleasure district in Wano. Fleet Admiral Sakazuki being cautious with the forces of Wano without any hints that they have idea on what is happening on the island… BUT... it can easily be retconned that they do know of Kaido's involvement in Wano.. Its just the feeling that it would have been more amazing if there were more subtle hints before Kinemon's or any character in the Wano Arc's exposition.
on the other hand... the Shutenmaru and Jack's clash and the sudden appearace of Kaido felt a bit rushed. This is what I dislike in One Piece. Certain storyline gets this kind of treatment in favor of another. Was expecting more from the character who's the namesake of the chapter. Eitherway, as expected, Kaido's design is really monstrous. GODA is really amazing.
The weirdest thing to me was, when Hawkins made us think, that only few do know who rules Wano. From governments point of view it is understandable to not mention the obvious. Also didn't they get information on Kaidou and Big Mom making their moves in the same chapter, where they discussing whether to go to Wano or not?
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That was a great chapter, Oda really fooled me into thinking the atamaya thieves were a bunch of punk losers instead of disillusioned samurai. I loved all the slice of life moments, I guess oda had to make up for the chapters in which sanji didnt spazz out over women but only that lecher face bothered me. Kinemon having a wife and her being tsuru was a bit of a shock to me too but the timeline makes enough sense. That Jack got sliced up was a surprise to me but I guess if this guy is Asura Doji than it makes sense. Oden must have been really strong if that was the case anyway.
And while I share the sediment that it feels early for kaido to show up, I like that it's a bit of a shock which is a departure from oda's familiar story telling. We know kaido won't go down now so it gives an interesting set of sakes on how the crew gets out of this alive/half-alive. I'm super-hyped for the next chapter.
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Oh man, Dragon Kaido going into melancholic-alcoholic mode will be hilarious.
Also for those who find his design too generic, don't worry. It's just full zoan mode anyway, hybrid is where the fun always begins.
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Oh man, Dragon Kaido going into melancholic-alcoholic mode will be hilarious.
Also for those who find his design too generic, don't worry. It's just full zoan mode anyway, hybrid is where the fun always begins.
I'd say that his awakened zoan form is where it's at. He's gotta have that form, no?
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I love Kaido's design, seems the perfect mix between villain and dragon.
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I'd say that his awakened zoan form is where it's at. He's gotta have that form, no?
Yeah for sure. I assume awakened Zoan is always hybrid though, based on what we have seen in Impel Down.
But I guess in Kaido's case it will be even crazier if he's really a natural Dragon with a Hito-Oni fruit. So many different forms and hybrid forms he could take on, there is really a lot to explore.
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The thing is, regardless if he is human with a dragon fruit or a dragon with a human fruit, we only saw his 100% human and dragon forms and a Zoan's fighting form is the hybrid by default. Add the Awakening to that, it means Kaido still got his battle and his power up forms to present, there's still a lot of room to go design-wise with him.
And only now I realized we never saw Linlin using any awakened ability, huh!? Unless the ability to take someone else's soul/life enery is that…
Judging by jailers from ID, the awakening doesn't really affect the apperance much. Might be more to it, though.
We never saw the jailers outside their awakened form, so it's impossible to tell. The only Zoan we saw in both stages is Chopper (assuming Monster Point = Awakened form) and there was a considerable change in appearance in his case.
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Is it just me, or was the art unusually bad this week (aside from the two-page spreads)?
Not a great chapter.
The first half was more exposition/setup, but with much less interesting information than the last two chapters. The second half was a little better, but Shutenmaru isn't doing anything for me, and Kaidou being a Dragon was almost "Lola is Big Mom's daughter" levels of obvious to me, so I'm not as excited as other people seem to be, even if he does look cool.
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Well, historically there have always been both a shogun and an emperor in Japan (although who was more important has often changed). So its not really that out of the blue.
That Wano has a king? No it's not. That Kaido has been the king of that country we've been hearing about for 2 decades, it kind of is.
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So Kaido is a Mythical Dragon Zoan user, I see?
AWESOME!!
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Hey, what if Kaido isn't even a Dragon, but a Serpent-like Sea King who ate the mythical Oni fruit?
His basic shape would be that of an asian dragon to begin with, while the Oni zoan adds horns, flight and black flames, completing the evil dragon look. And of course it adds the option to transform into a humanoid Demon, which would be his full zoan fruit transformation.
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Judging by jailers from ID, the awakening doesn't really affect the apperance much. Might be more to it, though.
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Yeah for sure. I assume awakened Zoan is always hybrid though, based on what we have seen in Impel Down.
But I guess in Kaido's case it will be even crazier if he's really a natural Dragon with a Hito-Oni fruit. So many different forms and hybrid forms he could take on, there is really a lot to explore.
I agree that those were hybrid-looking, but at the same time I feel that they are more akin to Chopper's monster form. Probably not quite the same thing, but still a more monster-ish hybrid form.
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Define "long ago?"
One Wano or Kaido became a big thing.
Why is this even something the Marines need to hint at? What does him being the king really change here? Since the Zou arc, we already knew that Kaido occupied Wano. It's pretty predictable that said occupation would place him in a leadership role of sorts, whether he had to take it by force or otherwise.
Because they are the paranoid group that keeps spying on the emperors. And it doesn't have to be the marines specifically.
Him being king change him from a foreigner/pirate/separate entity to being a part of Wano. The same way Doffly being king in Dressrosa is not the same as him just living there. Kaido has always been presented as an outtside force which he is not and if is not I believe it should have been hinted at.And the Marines clearly know that Kaido resides in Wano. What they don't know is how strong the country's forces are, which makes sense due to the fact that the isolationism of the country prevents the natives from leaving, as well as having random people entering the country freely. Also the weather and such surrounding Wano makes it difficult for them to just come whenever they want. The Marines largely leave the Yonko alone, mainly intervening when the possibility of an alliance arises.
They infiltrate Big Mom's entourage, spied on Whitebeard with the implied thing on how they have a couple of ships that are just there to observe. Everything we've seen from the marines imply they care what the emperors do and if Kaido has been ruler of the place for 20 years I have a hard time buying they never learned about it. They've proven able to infitrate highly volatile places like Bg Mom's entourage and Luffy made it to Wano.
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That Wano has a king? No it's not. That Kaido has been the king of that country we've been hearing about for 2 decades, it kind of is.
We've known that Wano is under the control of Kaido and the shogun for ages now. Kaido having a title doesn't really change anything.
Purely coincidence
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Dragons are a staple in fiction whenever you want to go super badass and cool. Even though there were many indications Kaido would have that ability, as some theorists had noticed before, I was still hoping Oda, with his penchant for not using obvious powers
except when logias are involved, wouldn't give Kaido the #1 answer any fan would come to when asked to come up with a "badass zoan".
But it is what it is. So having stated my opinion on the matter I would rather focus on enjoying what we have rather than ruminating on why I find it less than ideal.I'm not immune to clichés, though, so as I said I do find the dragon form amazing regardless. And if it turns out Kaido is a real dragon and the humanoid form is the DF power, then the coolness factor goes way beyond the roof to the point I can't even bother (although Momo's SMILE would suggest this is not the case).
What are the other fiction stories that have dragons as badass and cool characters? Mythical zoan DFs is an excusive to One Piece. Only relatively recently we saw the first actual dragon apearing in OP world. One might as well say that the story was built up this way because Kaidou was planned to be dragon zoan all along. So you mean that Oda did a bad job by throwing in too many hints foreshadowing that he's going to be dragon?
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BTW, this chapter gives us more evidence that Kaido is Katakuri, Daifuku, and Oven's father. Kaido being the father would explain how Katakuri got pointy teeth.
Purely coincidence
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We've known that Wano is under the control of Kaido and the shogun for ages now. Kaido having a title doesn't really change anything.
I think him being a part of Wano is different than him being a simple invader and that if he is such an integral part of Wano it should have been hinted.
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One Wano or Kaido became a big thing.
Well it became a big thing in the Zou arc, which is the same arc where it was hinted at, so not seeing the issue here?
Back in Zou, they said that him and his crew occupy Wano. We recently got new context that Momo and co. time traveled 20 years into the future. So you then go back to that arc, put 2 and 2 together and realize that Kaido has been around for quite some time. This chapter taking the time to further clarify his status isn't changing much here that we couldn't already more or less figure out.
This is not something Oda needed the Marines or anyone to casually state years in advance in my opinion, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Because of Shuternmaru‘s prowess some assume that Oden was really strong.
Kyros followed Riku because of his leadership? Kindness? Valour? Not because of his strength. It could be the same here. Maybe Shuternmaru is the strongest of the samurais but he wasn’t 20 years ago.
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I remembered that the game Runescape had a Japanese sort themed dungeon released and the final boss was called Seiryuu
Seiryuu=青竜
blue dragon (an auspicious creature in Chinese mythology)
Azure Dragon (god said to rule over the eastern heavens)These are the definitions from the dictionary. Feel free to google 青龍
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I think him being a part of Wano is different than him being a simple invader and that if he is such an integral part of Wano it should have been hinted.
Usually, when someone takes over a country, they declare themselves king.
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We've known that Wano is under the control of Kaido and the shogun for ages now. Kaido having a title doesn't really change anything.
It also matches Japan, as it had an Emperor and a Shogun. Apparently Kaido fits the bill of the Emperor in more ways than his Yonkou title.
What are the other fiction stories that have dragons as badass and cool characters? Mythical zoan DFs is an excusive to One Piece. Only relatively recently we saw the first actual dragon apearing in OP world. One might as well say that the story was built up this way because Kaidou was planned to be dragon zoan all along. So you mean that Oda did a bad job by throwing in too many hints foreshadowing that he's going to be dragon?
I mean what I said. I stated my opinion on the matter, you wanted me to explain it better, I did it and said I don't want to spend my time here ruminating this subject. I will not waste my time defending my opinion and ruin my fun of the chapter getting on a petty argument, sorry.
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Shutenmaru gets overshadowed in his own chapter.
To be fair, this was also the chapter where all the Strawhats are making plans… Then Suddenly their plans don’t mean shit
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Because of Shuternmaru‘s prowess some assume that Oden was really strong.
Kyros followed Riku because of his leadership? Kindness? Valour? Not because of his strength. It could be the same here. Maybe Shuternmaru is the strongest of the samurais but he wasn’t 20 years ago.
A lot of things happen in 20 years and people change, and maybe because of that it’s possible that you wouldn’t recognize someone you didn’t know very well and who has the exact same apearenceYou're overthinking it. The last chapter told us that Oden defeated Ashura Douji back in the day, who is clearly Shutenmaru.
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You're overthinking it. The last chapter told us that Oden defeated Ashura Douji back in the day, who is clearly Shutenmaru.
Sanji is now a very strong character who was easily beated by Zeff 3? 4? Years ago
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In what way? They can still follow the plan.Purely coincidence
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Sanji is now a very strong character who was easily beated by Zeff 3? 4? Years ago
Would Zeff stand a chance against Jack? Doflamingo? Mr2? Arlong?Yea, because that's clearly the same thing…
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I mean what I said. I stated my opinion on the matter, you wanted me to explain it better, I did it and said I don't want to spend my time here ruminating this subject. I will not waste my time defending my opinion and ruin my fun of the chapter getting on a petty argument, sorry.
Thanks for conversation.
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I hope Oda doesn't just throw us straight into full scale war in the coming chapters, I was really digging the covert theme of Wano up until this point, and this chapter has me worried.
I figure Oda is just trying to display Kaido's power and set him up as the big baddie that we already knew he was.
As for the rest of the chapter…. it was, ok I guess? The pacing was pretty shoddy, and some panels felt incredibly redundant and empty (Ie. "rarr rarr I'm going to kill her now" or "oh noo they started to fight, what a high level duel!"). Overall it was an ok chapter with an absolute bombshell ending. I do worry that Oda is once again falling into the trap of introducing way, way too many characters into an arc. It's been a recurring issue ever since, I'd say, Marineford, that the amount of character introductions becomes so saturated that he's unable to give them all sufficient screen time, and it ends up being a big unsatisfying mess.
I have faith in Oda to do this arc justice considering how long he's been wanting to draw it for, and I really hope my worries are null and void.
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This was the first time, in a lont time, that I've consistently genuinely laughed out loud reading a One Piece chapter. It was just absolutely hilarious. Ninjas continue to be badass, lol.
The joke with Nami's outfit. Luffy warning Sanji that Kiku was a trap. Brook just wanting panties on his head.Shutenmaru's desing. All great
The only one who didn't get assigned a job to do is Luffy because yeah that would just be a waste of time because the Emperor will do what an emperor wants.
I was actually excited to see Jack again. He sort of grew on me.
Kaidou's appearance basically turns up the dial for pacing in this arc.
Also is the woman with the tea house Kinemon's wife, O-tsuru? Coz now it makes sense why her tea house has a sign similar to the kozuki clan. Which is actually pretty ballsy of her tbh.
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Luffy warning Sanji that Kiku was a trap.
Really? People are still going on about this?
Also is the woman with the tea house Kinemon's wife, O-tsuru? Coz now it makes sense why her tea house has a sign similar to the kozuki clan. Which is actually pretty ballsy of her tbh.
Yes, that is her.
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Man, evil Shenron Kaido looks amazing
At the same time I hope that at some point Kaido looked a bit more like his silhouette in Garp's explanation
He looked so darn cool and mysterious
Might be another Kizaru and his vice admiral hat situation
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In what way? They can still follow the plan.Jack and Kaidou are on to them right?… I guess they’ve been distracted by thinking Shutenmaru has some affiliation with Luffy so the story might go in the direction of this “mix up” but Kin’emon already said that secrecy is a big deal. Last chapter all we thought was “Nah, it’ll just be a calamity involved” but boy, the big boss himself is here. So right now, the only thing standing in the way of this plan failing, is this “mix up” with Shutenmaru lasting a long long time.
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Really? People are still going on about this?
Don't you think so though?
I mean, why would luffy say" You know Sanji, Kiku is really strong".
Like what does her being strong have to do with Sanji perving on her? The worse answer to that question is that Luffy thinks that its ok to perv on "weak" women and not "strong" women.
I don't know. Whats your take on that panel?
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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I mean, why would luffy say" You know Sanji, Kiku is really strong".
She won't be impressed by Sanji because she's super strong herself
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I hope Oda doesn't just throw us straight into full scale war in the coming chapters, I was really digging the covert theme of Wano up until this point, and this chapter has me worried.
I figure Oda is just trying to display Kaido's power and set him up as the big baddie that we already knew he was.
As for the rest of the chapter…. it was, ok I guess? The pacing was pretty shoddy, and some panels felt incredibly redundant and empty (Ie. "rarr rarr I'm going to kill her now" or "oh noo they started to fight, what a high level duel!"). Overall it was an ok chapter with an absolute bombshell ending. I do worry that Oda is once again falling into the trap of introducing way, way too many characters into an arc. It's been a recurring issue ever since, I'd say, Marineford, that the amount of character introductions becomes so saturated that he's unable to give them all sufficient screen time, and it ends up being a big unsatisfying mess.
I have faith in Oda to do this arc justice considering how long he's been wanting to draw it for, and I really hope my worries are null and void.
Don't worry. Shit won't escalate into a full on war any time soon. The other big players(Marines, Marco, BB crew, Revos, CP-0, BM crew) all have to make their way to Wano first.
As for the characters. Have faith. Wano is basically the Penultimate arc of the series, so u better believe Oda has all the characters and players locked down tight.
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If he doesn't quit perving then she'll batter him?
I thought that was the obvious implication
Doesn't Nami do that all the time though?
and even if its concern that Kiku has too much strength she won't be able to control the damage. Luffy has to trust that Sanji can take a hit from anyone whose strong, right?
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She won't be impressed by Sanji because she's super strong herself
eh, I guess. Still doesn't make sense coming from Luffy. It would make perfect sense if it came from Brook though.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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Don't you think so though?
I mean, why would luffy say" You know Sanji, Kiku is really strong".
Like what does her being strong have to do with Sanji perving on her? The worse answer to that question is that Luffy thinks that its ok to perv on "weak" women and not "strong" women.
I don't know. Whats your take on that panel?
Because she's really strong. That's it. Luffy's basically just saying that Kiku can take care of herself, so whatever Sanji does isn't going to impress her.
She's not a man, and has never been indicated to be one. She, like many OP characters, just has a quirk, hers being how she refers to herself. Also it's really weird that people still use the word "trap" so casually.
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Pretty cool chapter. Really interesting how Oda has treated guys like Burgess and Jack so far. Of course I don't doubt they'll get their super impressive Katakuri like showing I just like that these people aren't infallible.
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Because she's really strong. That's it. Luffy's basically just saying that Kiku can take care of herself, so whatever Sanji does isn't going to impress her.
She's not a man, and has never been indicated to be one. She, like many OP characters, just has a quirk, hers being how she refers to herself. Also it's really weird that people still use the word "trap" so casually.
hmm, I don't know why this seems like such a weird thing for you. I mean One Piece already has characters like Bon Clay. We know Wano is a socially repressed society with outdated ideas. So it makes sense that someone like Bon Clay won't be totally out of the closet so to speak.
2. I personally think there has been hints that she's not a normal woman
a. Luffy and Zoro both notice and commented whenever she acted in a stereotypical feminine way(for example when she goes kyaa)
b. Both Momo and Kinemon who have been characterised as been really into chicks, treat Okiku like normal, the way the interact with dudes.
c. Luffy has NEVER EVER EVER EVER commented on Sanji hitting on chicks. Ever. seriously he has never done that and now he just does and its becuase he doesn't want Sanji to get hurt. Really?3. Sorry if the use of the word Trap offends. I honestly learned it from watching tonnes of anime where there were male characters that looked female and I learned that the community calls these charcters traps. Sorry if its been used in other negative ways. I genuinely didn't know.
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Some of you guys don't seem to get that Kaido isn't here for your narrative arc. He's reacting realistically.
He got word that Luffy is in Wano. Luffy who he knows is trying to undermine and dethrone him. And his very presence in Kaido's country is causing the likes of Big Mom to pay a visit.And instead of sitting on his ass while events unfold; Kaido, being the strongest living creature, flies out to Luffy's last known location to solve all his problems.
Why? Because that's Logically how Kaido would respond it's not like he has anything better to do. Wouldn't it be a tad out of character/unrealistic for a guy so frustrated with Luffy and company playing these little pirate games to just sit back and let him do what he wants in his territory. -
hmm, I don't know why this seems like such a weird thing for you. I mean One Piece already has characters like Bon Clay. We know Wano is a socially repressed society with outdated ideas. So it makes sense that someone like Bon Clay won't be totally out of the closet so to speak.
2. I personally think there has been hints that she's not a normal woman
a. Luffy and Zoro both notice and commented whenever she acted in a stereotypical feminine way(for example when she goes kyaa)
b. Both Momo and Kinemon who have been characterised as been really into chicks, treat Okiku like normal, the way the interact with dudes.
c. Luffy has NEVER EVER EVER EVER commented on Sanji hitting on chicks. Ever. seriously he has never done that and now he just does and its becuase he doesn't want Sanji to get hurt. Really?3. Sorry if the use of the word Trap offends. I honestly learned it from watching tonnes of anime where there were male characters that looked female and I learned that the community calls these charcters traps. Sorry if its been used in other negative ways. I genuinely didn't know.
a. They noticed and commented because she was clearly pretending to be weak and helpless (in order to protect her identity) despite being strong and capable.
b. Kiku is Momo's retainer, as well as Kin'emon's comrade. Just like how even Sanji has moments or people where he acts normally around, it makes sense that Kiku would be this for them. Also she's completely covered up anyhow.
c. Only one person surmised that it's because he doesn't want Sanji to get hurt. I didn't say that, and I disagree with it personally.
Also Kin'emon straight up told Sanji not to get the wrong idea about him and Kiku, that he already has a wife, so what else needs to be said here?
3. No problem, it's just a really ugly, inappropriate word that unfortunately a lot of people in the anime/manga community have normalized as being acceptable to say. It's not being used in other negative ways, it being used in that context has always been negative, never positive. Don't really want to make it a whole thing, I'm just forever shocked whenever I still see it being used.
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Don't worry. Shit won't escalate into a full on war any time soon. The other big players(Marines, Marco, BB crew, Revos, CP-0, BM crew) all have to make their way to Wano first.
As for the characters. Have faith. Wano is basically the Penultimate arc of the series, so u better believe Oda has all the characters and players locked down tight.
Seems very clear Big Mom will show up in Elbaf instead.
Marco also already made it clear he's not coming, probably to fight Weevil and hype him up.
Revolutionaries are busy with Reverie. Same for CP-0.
An arc with all those big players will only happen in the final one. That should be obvious.
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We never saw the jailers outside their awakened form, so it's impossible to tell. The only Zoan we saw in both stages is Chopper (assuming Monster Point = Awakened form) and there was a considerable change in appearance in his case.
We saw normal zoans in hybrid mode and we've seen awakened zoans in hybrid mode. Doesn't seem to be any notable difference. What we can gather from that is that there is no special awakened mode, just a buffed up hybrid mode with, I assume, varying degrees of control. Those guys at ID became lost in their animal personas and I imagine there are people who have achieved zoan awakening but are still in charge of the fruit.
There's really no hard evidence supporting Chopper's monster point is awakening. If anything, it works in the opposite direction from jailers in ID. They became less human and more animals as a result of awakening. And Chopper isn't really human like in his monster point. And it should be the other way around.
But I really can't say how Oda has envisioned it. Maybe it doesn't work the same with every user. shrugs
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Seems very clear Big Mom will show up in Elbaf instead.
Marco also already made it clear he's not coming, probably to fight Weevil and hype him up.
I don't understand how you take Marco at his word that he isn't coming (I agree btw), but dismiss Big Mom, who has explicitly said that she is coming to Wano. Not to mention how the Straw Hats are conveniently unaware of the recent news involving Big Mom and Kaido.
Oda could not make it more clear, and yet still so many people doubt she's coming. It'll never not be weird lol
