I'm not around much these days, but I'm 100% hoping that the change is made here.
New Shonen Jump Overhaul! - FREE OP simulpub + paid backlog
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This is something I 100% support. There's still kind of a stigma against official releases in some areas of the community based on practices that haven't been commonplace in like a decade, and putting the Viz version front and centre could force a few people to look past that and see how the quality of has improved (I'm not looking forward to at least a dozen "lol zolo" posts in every thread while the newcomers adapt though). And because the official version has consistent names and terminology and makes far fewer mistakes than the scanlations, it'll hopefully raise the standard of discussion by reducing debates started by version differences (never another dogtooth, please).
The only drawbacks I see are that people (myself included) a) want things as soon as possible and b) are very used to Friday releases. If there's any way to get the chapter and start discussing it sooner, a large portion of the fanbase is always going to go for it. And even as a devoted reader of Viz's releases, I really liked that the scanlations came out Friday. They were something to look forward to through the week, and I often read them on the train home from work. That will be a tough habit to break.
But yeah obviously I think the official release being more accessible and the forum supporting it is a net gain. There'll be an awkward period of adjustment, and the spoiler threads will probably be busier than the main ones during that time, but we'll be stronger for it in the long run.
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If you want to make that push it would be awesome if someone could write a guide for dummies when it comes to accessing this outside of North America. Step by step, with screenshots and stuff!
I mean it's not like I would need it, not at all. But… think of the children!
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Good to see this, Japan seems to be taking the scanlations very seriously now. They either had to be a viable legal way, like crunchyroll, or put up with it. Glad to see they are doing the latter.
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Wow this is huge! The subscription was already a good value imo, but it just got a thousand times better. Now only if we could find a way to fit more than 24 hours in a day…
I haven't purchased any digital volumes all these years but I have a feeling some of those people might be a little salty about this announcement. Eh, I'm sure they'll get used to it.
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Wow this is huge! The subscription was already a good value imo, but it just got a thousand times better. Now only if we could find a way to fit more than 24 hours in a day…
I haven't purchased any digital volumes all these years but I have a feeling some of those people might be a little salty about this announcement. Eh, I'm sure they'll get used to it.
There is a 100 chapter limit on the amount of the manga you can read a day so having the digital volumes downloaded circumvents that if you want to read over 100+ chapters in a day
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler
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@Long:
There is a 100 chapter limit on the amount of the manga you can read a day so having the digital volumes downloaded circumvents that if you want to read over 100+ chapters in a day
I do wonder about that. Does Viz also have each chapter in the archives all uploaded individually in addition to the volume format? I'm curious how the site will keep track of the 100 chapter counter.
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Anybody knows if the chapters will be available worldwide or only restricted to USA and Japan?
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If you're reading over 100 chapters a day, I envy you, because I can't imagine doing it for any series. When I was in college I used to read dozens of chapters a day, but being sedentary that long isn't easy.
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Anybody knows if the chapters will be available worldwide or only restricted to USA and Japan?
The countries this currently applies to includes: United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, the Philippines, Singapore, and India.
I strongly believe you'll see more territories added as time goes on.
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Compared to actually putting my money where my mouth is and supporting the authors & editors of this magazine I've loved for most of my life, can I be honest and say I don't give much of a fart? about Youtubers? revenue streams???
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I say make the change, waiting till sunday wont be such a big deal once everybody gets accustomed to it.
And considering the majority of the big one piece and other manga youtubers reacting to weekly chapters are living in the us, they should have no excuse of not waiting less than 2 days do react to the official release FOR FREE!
Obviously their excuse will be that they have to cause scanlation kiddies will scream at them, but I hope they will make the change like RogersBase already did weeks ago.
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The big OP Youtubers are like Roger, KOL, Tekking, Chibi, and Sawyer. Rogers is already doing it on Monday. Chibi said he is going to think hard about moving his reviews to Monday. I wouldn't be surprised if the bigger tubers shifted over.
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@Long:
I basically dont use twitter/youtube/instagram from the days the spoiler drop to the day the scan gets released. Id basically have to cut off all the social media for half the week or mute hundreds of words on twitter. I could do that if enough people held off on things and the big timers I follow followed suit.
It is pretty much impossible to avoid spoilers this time and age, during dressrosa someone I barely know spoiled Sabo for me.. I'm still mad about it. It was on fb, freakn' fb.. I blocked all of that person's posts from appearing on my timeline. He posted a full page.. that day I didn't even know the chapter was out until I saw that page:getlost:
So yeah, I can use a vpn to subscribe viz..etc but that won't stop me from reading Scanlations. I do buy the physical viz translated volumes whenever they're available at kinokuniya though.
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Theoretically, I'm all in favor of this. In practical terms… not so much. I think this will only slow down traffic and contribute to empty threads while scanlations continue to come out early. The first comprimise I thought about was to leave the new chapter discussion thread in the spoiler section until the official chapter is released, but then that would only stop discussion in the other general threads during half of the week. I have been subscribed to VIZ for a few years and that hasn't stopped me from reading chapters on Jaimini's every Friday morning and immediately coming here to AP to leave my thoughts on it. Then there's the youtube reviewers with some large followings, there's reddit, Oro Jackson... Too much competition which will probably keep on with the same routine despite this big change. Until they crack down on the guys who provide the early scans and shut this crap down for good, I think it just won't change. Only once scanlations start coming out on the same day/only a few hours before the official release, will they stop being relevant to a lot of people, unfortunately.
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Another announcement, with more details:
https://www.viz.com/blog/posts/new-shonen-jump-simul-seriesSalient point:
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So, best thing ever or best thing ever?
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Two questions:
1. If I just want to read One Piece, can I do that or have to read the whole book and skip the pages to said manga?
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Two questions:
1. If I just want to read One Piece, can I do that or have to read the whole book and skip the pages to said manga?
2. The entire catalogue….like Ch. 1 to Ch. 925?1. There won't be a magazine anymore. Just individual series.
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@CCC:
1. There won't be a magazine anymore. Just individual series.
2. Yes.Well, god damn. And it releases the same day as Japan does, on Sunday (usually)?
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@S.C.:
Well, god damn. And it releases the same day as Japan does, on Sunday (usually)?
In Japan its actually on Monday… but... timezones. In theory it should be releasing Sunday at noon, yes.
I think this will only slow down traffic and contribute to empty threads while scanlations continue to come out early. The first comprimise I thought about was to leave the new chapter discussion thread in the spoiler section until the official chapter is released, but then that would only stop discussion in the other general threads during half of the week.
It's only going to be a delay of about a day, since chapters will now hit on Sunday instead of Viz's current Monday. The initial couple chapters will probably be bumpy but if the community adjusts to it, it shouldn't be much different than things are now.
And that's probably exactly what we're going to do, allow the spoiler thread to have discussion once the scans come out, but hold the official threads until the Sunday release. This might lead to the spoiler threads having all the traffic and the actual chapter discussions being dead, especially the first couple weeks where people get used to it, but we won't know until we try. Holding the official chapter thread and then providing only the official safe link should encourage people to support the official release an show SHueisha that yes, this is exactly what we want.
If it's a complete disaster and doesn't work out, we can always go back to the current method after trying this for a couple months. (Fortunately/unfortunately, there's no OP chapter the first week of this change, we get one chapter, and then it's holiday break, so it's going to be a staggered experiment.)
Then there's the youtube reviewers with some large followings, there's reddit, Oro Jackson… Too much competition which will probably keep on with the same routine despite this big change. Until they crack down on the guys who provide the early scans and shut this crap down for good, I think it just won't change.
It won't change unless we try! And this is probably the best opportunity we'll ever have. ANd it sounds like alot of the youtubers are switching to official release discussion anyway?
Only once scanlations start coming out on the same day/only a few hours before the official release, will they stop being relevant to a lot of people, unfortunately.
And that's why we're trying to encourage the official release! The bootlegs aren't going to be beating it by that much anymore.
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When you work from 1-9:30 EST every Sunday…
Oh god that kind of hurts even more than the current Monday time. I refuse to read OP on a phone so that day is gonna drag hard
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I like that idea. Regulating spoilers and scanlation discussion into the spoiler side of the forum and posting official chapter threads on Sunday.
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Smash had me completelly numbed from this news.
So, for the next year, at least until september, I will have FULL JUMP Backlog (at least all series that were released in english)? Do you know if it's changing app or it is the same one? It would be bad for me if they checked locations by downloaded series tho..
Changing would mean some either apk hunting or vpn jumping, update aparently is just handled by amazon without a care in the world for me, I even changed into a new phone without issue.
Iv'e paying for jump from outside the english jump zone for 4 years now.
I vote "let's go legit-ish-er", without thinking about the consequences. Gintama is almost over, with a little prodding they will put Jojo part 8 in, we have the least to lose now.
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Hmm, sounds like a good idea but I'm not 100% sure about this. However, if you want to do it, go right ahead.
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And that's why we're trying to encourage the official release! The bootlegs aren't going to be beating it by that much anymore.
Do it, but do it with a don!
Even in the spoiler threads, the first post should always link to the official offer and how people can access it. Preferrably with a small guide/ faq for new people who need it. Maybe even with that big yellow banner we used for the Character Tournament or the AP Awards!
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There doesn't seem to be information clear on the Viz site, but next week do we open a new Weekly Shonen Jump issue, or do I just navigate to the One Piece page and then read that chapter directly? Because I would vastly prefer the latter than the former.
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Do it, but do it with a don!
Even in the spoiler threads, the first post should always link to the official offer and how people can access it. Preferrably with a small guide/ faq for new people who need it. Maybe even with that big yellow banner we used for the Character Tournament or the AP Awards!I like this idea.
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Amazing! Will stay subbed as long as One Piece continues!
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@CCC:
1. There won't be a magazine anymore. Just individual series.
2. Yes.Amazing. Like others have said, I also will support by no longer participating in theory threads until Sunday
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A couple of quick questions I may have missed the answer to elsewhere: When Japan gets an early release, does that mean we will too? And will the archived chapters update to the volume versions when the books come out, or will they stay as the magazine chapters forever?
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Oh, and if the magazine is being scrapped in favour of individual series, how are the magazine covers and the author comments going to be handled?
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In Japan its actually on Monday… but... timezones. In theory it should be releasing Sunday at noon, yes.
It's only going to be a delay of about a day, since chapters will now hit on Sunday instead of Viz's current Monday. The initial couple chapters will probably be bumpy but if the community adjusts to it, it shouldn't be much different than things are now.
Let's not exagerate, scan are released friday 8am GMT so a release sunday noon PST is 2 days and a half difference
I think you should try though. but i still reiterate my advice to have only one single thread like on every other forums
Btw greg, any chance Japan will abandon the magazines for such a system anytime soon ?
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Is there a way to read them on PC? Or is this Mobile/Tablets only?
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A couple of quick questions I may have missed the answer to elsewhere: When Japan gets an early release, does that mean we will too?
Yes. Saturday Jump release in Japan = Friday release in the West
Oh, and if the magazine is being scrapped in favour of individual series, how are the magazine covers and the author comments going to be handled?
Covers + author comments will be on viz dot com each week, in the blog section (I asked the Viz people this on the One Piece Podcast today, because so many people wanted to know)
Is there a way to read them on PC? Or is this Mobile/Tablets only?
I've only ever used a PC browser to read stuff from Viz!
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Pc will still require a proxy for us outside of the "viz zone" but now it will be safer for the casual fan as there will be no need to pay or use sensitive information.
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Btw greg, any chance Japan will abandon the magazines for such a system anytime soon ?
Abandon? I don't think so in the foreseeable future.
But go digital first?
It will happen. Dunno about 'soon' but it will.
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That would be the way to kill piracy forever, release the digital chapters on distribution day. There would be no market for the early releases then. Without the money boost on release day I doubt they can keep ends meeting in keeping a big backlog, so they would wither back to P2P.
There still would be other languages but as outside of the viz zone it would have a lesser impact on business.
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I think that is insane, but after the free simultaneous releases, I'm willing to think outside the box.
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@CCC:
Yes. Saturday Jump release in Japan = Friday release in the West
Covers + author comments will be on viz dot com each week, in the blog section (I asked the Viz people this on the One Piece Podcast today, because so many people wanted to know)
I've only ever used a PC browser to read stuff from Viz!
Good info! Thanks!
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I am really excited about this change. It's a great deal for us, but I have some doubts. Once I read everything in Viz's backlog that I am interested in, what is going to keep me subscribed?
As things are now, I'll just get a subscription for two months a year or so, to catch up or reread. But if I am following the weekly releases only, I have no need to keep up the subscription. I don't see how this makes sense financially for Viz in the long run. Unless they start translating older series and add those directly to the backlog (sort of like Netflix always adds new series and films every month), but that would be a big undertaking.
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I am not so sure of that draw, of the 800+ series that Weekly Shonen Jump has had in it's history, around 200 could be considered a success, (as my humble investigation says, based on lenght alone, things like Toriyama's short stories or something shorter than Death Note that was super influential but outside my age I can't percieve without harder numbers)
That is not counting licencing challenges like Shaman King, or cultural sensibility challenges like Jungle King Ta-chan, or scandal challenges like Kenshin, or lenght/cultural context challenges like Kochikame or Gintama.
They could draw from their other magazines, or EAT other magazines (again, we are in the territory of possibilities) but I can't speak for those.
I think the idea is just to end piracy, and worry about the bottom line later.
But then again, the price of the physical issue is like 2$, that's gotta go in it's enterity to printing and distribution. For our side, it's like 25$ over a year, for 48 issues, with around 8-10 series, is less than 1$. I have no idea how the magazine stays profitable.
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I am really excited about this change. It's a great deal for us, but I have some doubts. Once I read everything in Viz's backlog that I am interested in, what is going to keep me subscribed?
As things are now, I'll just get a subscription for two months a year or so, to catch up or reread. But if I am following the weekly releases only, I have no need to keep up the subscription. I don't see how this makes sense financially for Viz in the long run. Unless they start translating older series and add those directly to the backlog (sort of like Netflix always adds new series and films every month), but that would be a big undertaking.
I assume the weekly free releases are just to get people hooked on the deal and to get some word-of-mouth advertising going. I doubt it will remain completely free past the first few months.
As for what's keeping you subscribed even if the weekly releases stay free? Well, it's 24 bucks. A year. I'm sure that there will be people who will just keep a yearly sub running because of laziness (and because it's only 24$. A year).
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I am really excited about this change. It's a great deal for us, but I have some doubts. Once I read everything in Viz's backlog that I am interested in, what is going to keep me subscribed?
As things are now, I'll just get a subscription for two months a year or so, to catch up or reread. But if I am following the weekly releases only, I have no need to keep up the subscription. I don't see how this makes sense financially for Viz in the long run. Unless they start translating older series and add those directly to the backlog (sort of like Netflix always adds new series and films every month), but that would be a big undertaking.
The point is to get you hooked so you go out and buy the physical copies, or the anime, or the merchandise.
Like I have every current volume of One Piece, and the art books. I've spent hundreds of dollars on a series I've already read over the years. Plus all the other manga I've stockpiled…
But then again, the price of the physical issue is like 2$, that's gotta go in it's enterity to printing and distribution.
Nope! When you print in bulk, the prices go way the hell down. Since they're printing 2 million copies a week (and mostly in black and white!) it's probably dirt cheap to print, maybe something like 10 cents per copy or something even more absurd than that. Even with the huge page count. It's newsprint quality paper after all.
American comics have to charge as much as they do because they don't sell any copies, so the print runs are lower, and so the printing costs are higher. And they're mostly in color. So to make any profit at all they have to charge 4$ for 22 pages.
For our side, it's like 25$ over a year, for 48 issues, with around 8-10 series, is less than 1$. I have no idea how the magazine stays profitable.
Bulk.
100 readers paying a dollar is more profitable than 40 readers paying 2 dollars. They're expecting that whatever their current subscription count is, for it to balloon a ton.
They're expecting to grab a lot of new readers by doing this. And since they're already paying the creators for the Japanese release anyway and not printing anything, the only overhead is paying the translators and editors.
But it's main purpose is just to curtail piracy alltogether. Make it so it's not worth the pirate's time to even bother doing scans.
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Ok, so the issue cost is dirt cheap, but there is transport and distribution, some color pages, and the income for publicity.
On the flip side, the internet version has no adds, but requires server space, on top of the second editorial team.
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If the forum doesn't make the transition now, there will literally never be a better time than this to align itself with the official release. Say "hey, we'lll hold off for a bit and see how people take to the new format," and AP will follow scanlations until the end of the series. It is absolutely worth a shot to make the change. It's significantly easier to go back to the old way of doing things a few months in than it would be to try and implement the new schedule a few months into this.
As for threads, I think the best bet is to have a mod update the title and first post of the spoiler thread when scanlations are up. There are plenty of people who don't really want to read twitter summaries and see a handful of blurry pictures, but will still try and read fully published scans. Keep all discussion pre-VIZ in the spoiler threads, but by changing the thread title when a full chapter is out on JB/MS and linking to it in the OP, it will alert the people who don't want to or can't read through VIZ that it's safe to go into that thread to discuss a chapter in full.
Especially early on there's going to be a lot put on the shoulders of the mods in making sure people don't start bringing up content from chapters in the two days between Friday and Sunday in threads across the board, but over time people will get used to it. And chapters will be being released at the exact same time every week now, so you can either designate a certain mod to create the chapter thread each week and people in general will know exactly when it's kosher to come to the board to start having discussions. It's not like the chapter comes out midday Thursday one week and then early morning Friday the next. There will be a significantly greater degree of consistency with following the official release.
I certainly don't post very often, but I do think if you implement that nothing leaves the spoiler board until the official release, the people who want to have conversations about the chapter and series as a whole will adjust accordingly, and it will only further legitimize the forum as a whole.
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As for threads, I think the best bet is to have a mod update the title and first post of the spoiler thread when scanlations are up. There are plenty of people who don't really want to read twitter summaries and see a handful of blurry pictures, but will still try and read fully published scans. Keep all discussion pre-VIZ in the spoiler threads, but by changing the thread title when a full chapter is out on JB/MS and linking to it in the OP, it will alert the people who don't want to or can't read through VIZ that it's safe to go into that thread to discuss a chapter in full.
Definite Agreement on this. Not everyone who follows the scans wants to read twitter summaries.
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I think I would totally be on board with this.
I always wanted to be able to support the authors more but never had an efficient way of doing so.
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Having Jujutsu Kaisen and Act-Age makes this a must get for me now. All my Yugioh volumes are at my moms house and I’ve been wanting a reread. Definite purchase and makes me want to get an iPad even more so now.
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I agree with others who say someone on the forum should make a easy to read guide for how to access Viz translations whether you live in one of the countries Viz is offering this or not, because unfortunately, too many people are used to just scanlations every week and it will have to take a while for people to get used to this new format of reading. Besides that, I am down. Planning on a lot of binge reading starting Sunday.
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So… should we expect the new WSJ chapters in a couple of hours worldwide? Or since the NEW Shonen Jump only begins on the 17th, we can only read them tomorrow this time? And if we're adhering to this new "keep leaked stuff in the spoiler section" modus operandi, should this be applied to the forum as a whole? Meaning also to the Other Manga section? Because the only series I read outside the official VIZ version is OP and if it worked like this for the other WSJ series, I would very much like that.
