Caught an early screening of DP2, best end-credits scene EVER! Make sure you see it asap.
Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs
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Non-Spoiler recommendation for Deadpool:
If you liked the first one and just want more of that, Deadpool 2 will deliver a whole lot of all that stuff. It has blood and violence and fourth wall breaking humor on steroids. So if that's all you're in it for, you're gonna have a blast. It's in a lot of ways like Guardians 2, it's more of the stuff you got in the prequel, but amped up even more. That being said, for some it may suffer because of that. Much like the original guardians, Deadpool tries to adress a problem that wasn't really there in the previous movie. It heard some filmschool virgins who view movies with a checklist of demands they have to fulfill. "Movies need character arcs", "movies need three acts", "movies need to have a lowpoint for our protagonist" all things that are more guidelines rather than laws for movie making.
Guardians heard these type of complaints about the first movie and created a more compelling plot than the previous one, with a much heavier emotional core. Deadpool does a similiar thing. The original Deadpool movies plot was completely uninteresting. It was a vehicle for the creators to make jokes and engage us with turboviolence. This second movie however, includes a massive narrative arc, that runs almost on the complete opposite of the wacky, fun antics. If Marvel movies have a formulaic narrative core that are pimped out with pretty colors and cool ideas, Deadpool 2 has a completely unhinged side of freudian antics that run almost parallell next to the plot.
And it creates a tonal maelstrom of constant bathos and bait and switch between drama and emotion that it's damn near exhausting. It's essentially the Deadpool ethos on coke and instant coffee. I for one really enjoyed that. But I'd understand if people are turned of by dramatic moments, since they're almost impossible to take seriously. But do go and make up your own mind.Definetly a recommendation on my behalf at least. And if for nothing else, support the movie so we get more R-rated blockbusters!
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By the way for those of you not keeping track, Infinity War is now the highest grossing film in the MCU.
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Deadpool 2 was fucking brilliant. Better than the first one. Best Colossus. Best Domino. The complaints that it has too much plot/drama are dumb.
Even if it was a 1/10 movie, the post-credits scene would've made it worthwile.
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By the way for those of you not keeping track, Infinity War is now the highest grossing film in the MCU.
And James Cameron is salty as the dead sea about it.
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@S.C.:
And James Cameron is salty as the dead sea about it.
Did it beat Avatar?
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No, but it's got all the opening weekend #1 spots.
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Deadpool 2 is out and a total blast.
Request to change the thread subtitle to "Holy Shitballs"
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Did it beat Avatar?
Avengers just hit 1.7 billion, making it fourth highest. It just pulled ahead of Jurassic World, but is still behind Force Awakens, Titanic, and Avatar.
It'll probably beat Star Wars or come close to it in the weeks ahead, (2.07 billion) and maybe even Titanic (2.18 billion) but it's a long ways from Avatar and its 2.7 billion yet.
Especially since Deadpool is going to eat into it's audience this week.
Avatar had 3D showings being a new-again gimmick and months of no competition going for it, and that's going to throw off its total significantly for some time to come. It's going to be hard to beat for a few more years. Avengers 4 might manage it if it truly sticks the landing though.
Avengers 1 did 1.5 billion and Avengers 2 did 1.4.
If you account for just ticket sales though, probably nothing is ever going to beat Gone with the Wind, and it's inflation accounted 3.44 billion.
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Just got home from Deadpool 2, dressed in my very best for the occasion:
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will give more detailed thoughts later but…. Oh god I still hurt from all the laughing... that was sooooo great.
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Man, I dunno when I'm gonna have time this week, but I will TRY.
Deadpool 2 is out and a total blast.
Request to change the thread subtitle to "Holy Shitballs"
Request granted.
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Avengers just hit 1.7 billion, making it fourth highest. It just pulled ahead of Jurassic World, but is still behind Force Awakens, Titanic, and Avatar.
It'll probably beat Star Wars or come close to it in the weeks ahead, (2.07 billion) and maybe even Titanic (2.18 billion) but it's a long ways from Avatar and its 2.7 billion yet.
Especially since Deadpool is going to eat into it's audience this week.
Avatar had 3D showings being a new-again gimmick and months of no competition going for it, and that's going to throw off its total significantly for some time to come. It's going to be hard to beat for a few more years. Avengers 4 might manage it if it truly sticks the landing though.
Avengers 1 did 1.5 billion and Avengers 2 did 1.4.
If you account for just ticket sales though, probably nothing is ever going to beat Gone with the Wind, and it's inflation accounted 3.44 billion.
I am still fascinated that the nerd hype of Star Wars and the Culmination of 10 years of the Marvel machine could both fall short to the blue environmentalist movie. The guy is a money machine. He's got both Titanic and Avatar up there. I get managing this with already established things but 2 non-franchise/adaption so high is crazy. That's like winning the lottery ticket twice by regular means.
For the longest time I was sure that the guy that made Avatar was different than the one that made Titanic and wondering what that guy thought when his record was finally beaten.The fact both of those highly profitable non-franchise/adaptations movies both are not only at the top but both from him will never not blow my mind.
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Avatar is the record holder ONLY because of the 3D showings being done with "new" technology, so it's THE movie most people gave a shot on 3D for, and a lot of Imax showings as well, and as a result paid an extra 8-10 bucks a ticket. It also stayed in theaters for 8 months instead of the usual 2 or 3… partly because it was the only movie that really took advantage of the 3D tech that theaters had invested so much money into.
The sequel when it eventually comes isn't going to do anywhere near as well. It might still be one of the top 10, but it's not going to be anywhere near that number.
Similarly, Titanic was in a different market. It didn't have a lot of competition, and it just stayed in theaters for MONTHS, almost an entire year. (From December to October.) It didn't have any one crazy starting week but it just made 20 mill every weekend for a couple months straight. (It also now has a re-release under its belt that added to it.) It also hit the jackpot of appealing to all audiences and being a film girls could like and go see like 8 times.
I will give Cameron all credit for Titanic's success, but Avatar's is artificial. If we look at actual ticket sales (which no one provides) I'm pretty sure its nowhere near as high.
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The Box Office Mojo website puts Avatar's domestic ticket total estimate of tickets sold at almost 96 million, but article by them when taking the IMAX and 3-D stuff into account lowered it to 75 million, so I would go with that number. That's way less then Titanic at 128 million, Force Awakens at 108 million and E.T. had 124 million for their debut (not counting re-releases, and not adjusting for any extra-priced stuff like IMAX, 3-D, or what not, but probably don't affect the numbers greatly), but around where Black Panther and the Avengers are (that would make 14th for all post-80 films). Infinity War (which isn't even a month old), is about half of the extra-terrestrial.
I don't dare to compare it to most films before 1980 unless they provide the values for each individual re-release. So I wouldn't touch Gone with the Wind, which besides having many re-releases, also had a much higher than ticket prices in its first release compared other films at its time during its road show (though for how long that lasted I don't know) and probably a few later ones, a late TV premiere in '76 that is estimated to be the highest ever for a movie on TV, and was also released long before the home video market was big; that's kind of why I don't think that $ 3.4 billion adjusted for inflation for GoTW is accurate because they probably lumped all the gross estimates together from all releases and then adjusted for inflation from 1939. And those re-releases can count for a lot. E.T. is listed as additional 17 million over its two re-releases (including 11 million in the re-release of 85) and Return of the Jedi is given 80 million tickets for its debut, and an additional 14 million for the re-releases. Meanwhile (to look at Disney which tend to do super well for re-release), One Hundred and One Dalmatians (the 12 highest for domestic gross) has 56 million for its debut and 33 million more over four more re-releases, and Snow White's three post-1980 re-releases are given 32 million tickets (which a lot), but I don't know how each individual release before that was. And that doesn't account for the lower priced tickets for children and other regional or specific theater factors.
And none of this gets into the foreign market, which is probably next to impossible to figure out.
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! That's how I interpreted it anyway. I mean, his response when they asked "Why the hell did you do that?!", his response was like "We've entered the endgame", and the way he said it made it sound like this is all still part of the plan. Plus, I mean, Thanos will inevitably lose in Avengers 4, and Strange did say he only saw one future where they would win.
! Kind of late but I got the exact opposite idea from what he did. The 1 in a 14 million chance (to stop thanos from gaining all the stones) was squandered when Starlord messed up his own plan and he knew thanos would get the stones anyway so he saved starks life
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! For what it was, I certainly enjoyed this movie. I'm not a huge comic book fan, and when I am, I barely go for capes (I LIKE RUBBER PIRATES, know what I'm sayin?) so really, all I want from a Marvel movie is some laughs and some action.
! Compared to the comedy highlights of the continuum, The Avengers, Guardians, Ragnarok (probably some others, I haven't seen every one of them) it wasn't quite as hilarious, but there were at least ten or so solid giggles. The action, however, was among the best I've seen in the genre. It was nice to see a superhero flick take a note from the world of battle manga, by supplying the big bad with some mooks that have faces and personalities (even if they are a tad boring). The New York fight in the first act and the mad scramble for Thanos' gauntlet on Titan, were two of the best super-hero fights scenes I've ever witnessed.
! I have to agree with most of you, and emphatically disagree with Wagomu - though, I must say, I am a FAN of Wagomu - that Thanos (once again, for the genre) was a pretty excellent villain. His motivation (though not nearly as interesting as being in love with death) was believable enough, his presence was intimidating, (once again) his fights were exciting, and though his characterization was fairly simple, I thought Brolin did a great job. Certainly TOP 10 comic-book-movie-villain-performances.
! I don't know how mature it was, but after all of the somewhat-eye-roll-inducing crowd cheering that went on everytime a new hero appeared, or a badguy went down, I let out a big cheer when Thanos got the time stone. No one joined me, or even laughed - jerks.
! My final note is, yes, we will likely see the Marvel Dragonballs restoring many fallen heroes, but viewing this movie as an island - I thought the mass death at the end was an awesome and spooky fusion of The Empire Strikes Back, Six Feet Under, and The f'ing Rapture from the Book of Revelation. I don't claim to be that emotionally attached to this series, but I wasn't unaffected by certain scenes - particularly Spider-Man's "I'm c-cold" moment (not that he said that) and Quill's realization that Gomorrah ate it. The way he said "You didn't have to" had some real acting behind it. I think all of the faded away characters are coming back, but I have my doubts about the Asgardians and Gomorrah.
! PPS - I feel bad for a lot of characters, but most of all for Rocket. He lost E V E R Y O N E. Pretty big loss for Thor too…and WAKANDA.! I never thought about it like this until now but when thor tells him he lost everything to rocket, it sort of was a foreshadow of him losing everyone too.
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Seriously I feel like everyone commenting on what strange said has the polar opposite view of it as I did
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Saw Deadpool 2. It was fun.
Stay for the mid credit scene.
There is no post credits scene, so if you have to potty go ahead.
There is however a note acknowledging how hard and how long and how many people worked on the movie. Thus implying that you should always stay through the credits even without some goofy reward, to pay respect and read all those names that worked so hard for your entertainment. So you should absolutely always feel guilty when you don't stay through the credits. But you won't miss anything if you leave early.
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Deadpool 2 is better than Infinity War, fight me.
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Watched D2 last night. Total blast. To think how poorer this world would be if Reynolds never got the chance to make it happen.
! I expected more refined action scenes, though. Idk, that part left me wanting for more.
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Watched D2 last night. Total blast. To think how poorer this world would be if Reynolds never got the chance to make it happen.
! I expected more refined action scenes, though. Idk, that part left me wanting for more.
One aspect that I was disappointed with the first Deadpool was how all of the highway fight scene was in the trailers, leaving most of the unspoiled fights for the climax piece and a few scenes here or there. But you could totally chalk that up to the marketing team or whoever did the trailers.
So I'm hoping that's not the case with 2?
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first one regardless of that!
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I heard somewhere that there was a scene at the end of credits, but it has since been taken out?
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@Mr.:
One aspect that I was disappointed with the first Deadpool was how all of the highway fight scene was in the trailers, leaving most of the unspoiled fights for the climax piece and a few scenes here or there. But you could totally chalk that up to the marketing team or whoever did the trailers.
So I'm hoping that's not the case with 2?
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first one regardless of that!
! The action is really fine, and it only pales in comparison to Winter Soldier and Infinity War. Those fuckers really spoiled me a little.
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On the issue of box office. I think future generations would be shocked to find out Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time. Like that movie is just so much of a relic of the late 2000s at this point.
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On the issue of box office. I think future generations would be shocked to find out Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time. Like that movie is just so much of a relic of the late 2000s at this point.
Nothing special about the disney star wars movies or any marvel movie for that matter either. They would only be the highest grossing movies because of popularity, just like avatar.
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@Long:
! Kind of late but I got the exact opposite idea from what he did. The 1 in a 14 million chance (to stop thanos from gaining all the stones) was squandered when Starlord messed up his own plan and he knew thanos would get the stones anyway so he saved starks life
! Nah, I'm sure that was part of Strange's plan. If Star-Lord's screw-up really caused Thanos to win (as in, permanently, not whatever's happening right now where it looks like he won but we know he's going to lose in the long run), Strange would have seen that and counted it among the 14 million+ "bad ending" scenarios. (Don't forget, the "one" scenario he saw was in answer to Tony's question of "How many do we win?", not "How many have us stopping him from getting the Stones?" Them ultimately winning in the end doesn't necessarily mean that Thanos doesn't get all the Stones first.) On my last re-watch of the movie, I noticed that Strange was…not quite smirking, but definitely looking satisfied when he got Thanos to take the Stone and leave. Like it's what he was hoping for. I don't think just saving Tony's life would have been enough for that reaction if Strange was knowingly handing over one of the last pieces Thanos needed to kill trillions upon trillions of innocent people.
! Not to mention, Strange had it stored in some kind of pocket dimension where Thanos probably couldn't get to it easily. After his promise to protect the Stone, if Star-Lord blew the one chance he saw for them to win, it makes more sense to me that Strange would do anything he could to delay Thanos further from getting it, to hopefully buy some time for him to be stopped a different way.
! His "Tony, there was no other way" seemed like a "Tony, there was no other way [for us to win eventually. This is literally the only option I saw that will ultimately work ou for us.]"
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Nothing special about the disney star wars movies or any marvel movie for that matter either. They would only be the highest grossing movies because of popularity, just like avatar.
Sure, but at least future generations will understand that the Disney dominance of the box office was a long and influential timeperiod, that changed cinema indefinitely and will probably be interested in understanding it. Avatar meanwhile, I can't think of a single person who cares in the slightest about it.
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I saw the movie a second time, this time with family:
! Spiderman's "I don't want to go" scene still hurts.
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Slightly more serious news, Stan Lee had his social media hacked and needs help:
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The most underrated Spider-Man villain, Mysterio, will finally appear in live-action as the main villain of Spider-Man: Homecoming's sequel.
Jake Gyllenhaal is in talks to play him.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/21/17369660/spider-man-homecoming-2-mysterio-jake-gyllenhaal
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I wonder if they are going to go full fishbowl.
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Bruce Campbell should get a cameo.
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I wonder if they are going to go full fishbowl.
Just what I was thinking. Can they make the whole dome work in live action?
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moviebob makes a good case for why we shouldn't be so hard on that guy:
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I love Mysterio. I wonder if Mac Gargan will be in the spotlight too; Scorpion is another one of my favorites, although I will admit I'm a bit hesitant about him out of fear that his suit would be clunky metal lol.
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Just what I was thinking. Can they make the whole dome work in live action?
Yes, its easy. You just put an underlight in it and have some smoke effects so the guy inside has a spooky skeleton face rather than a big fishbowl and it works just fine. You can also slim down the bowl some to look better. Or make it reflective metal or a dark substance.
Just don't make it… a glass fishbowl.
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[/hide]This is a doctor who example and a spacesuit, but… same principle.
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The fishbowl needs to be preserved in all of its pristine glory. I'm fine with either an anonymous dark silhouette inside or a spooky skull. Like Robby said, there are enough instances to show how it can work.
What I'm more concerned with is his cape and the wireframe. Strange shows that the cape can work, but they might want to make it tattered so it stands out more. Or go for more of a scarf-esque look.
But that green wireframe body suit has to be rehauled. It looks way too simplistic and tacky. But I'm sure they can add more detail or come up with something else like they did with Vulture.
I just hope that they keep Mysterio's main colors as green and purple instead of going for black and grey in a shallow attempt to make him look intimidating. Embrace how colorfully flamboyant he is. He's a showman, not a try-hard.
And while Mysterio's antics are bound to result in a lot of hilarity (I hope that Jake really hams up his voice instead of trying to sound scary in a cliche way), his illusions should also still maintain some seriousness. His illusions have been used in some very dark stories to ruin lives and manipulate heroes into killing people. They don't have to go as dark as having Wolverine kill all of the X-Men in the original comic book Old Man Logan story, but something like seeing how Peter watched Uncle Ben die (just an example, I'm not saying it has to be that) is the type of gravitas that shouldn't go to waste. Illusion powers need respect for how far they can bring up insecurities and traumatize people.
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Yes, its easy. You just put an underlight in it and have some smoke effects so the guy inside has a spooky skeleton face rather than a big fishbowl and it works just fine. You can also slim down the bowl some to look better. Or make it reflective metal or a dark substance.
Just don't make it… a glass fishbowl.
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https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bf/22/0f/bf220fc09f398d1da63aea4d95e48440–spiderman-marvel-marvel-vs.jpg
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https://orig00.deviantart.net/92c1/f/2014/176/f/c/fcc75079696f59dc8afa4e5eccfa9b53-d7nxykg.png[/hide]Oooo, I like the first one. That's lovely art. For a fishbowl.
@Count:
And while Mysterio's antics are bound to result in a lot of hilarity (I hope that Jake really hams up his voice instead of trying to sound scary in a cliche way), his illusions should also still maintain some seriousness. His illusions have been used in some very dark stories to ruin lives and manipulate heroes into killing people. They don't have to go as dark as having Wolverine kill all of the X-Men in the original comic book Old Man Logan story, but something like seeing how Peter watched Uncle Ben die (just an example, I'm not saying it has to be that) is the type of gravitas that shouldn't go to waste. Illusion powers need respect for how far they can bring up insecurities and traumatize people.
Kinda makes me think of Scarecrow. And a well-written Scarecrow is a fabulous villain.
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I wonder if they are going to go full fishbowl.
Not gonna watch the movie if they don't, it's been too much suffering already with the Rhino.
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Saw Deadpool 2.
So far, I like the current trend of Deadpool movies doing justice to underutilized X-Men characters who go shafted in their own franchise. Especially that one:
! Even though he wasn't all that more complex than the X-3 version of Juggernaut, he was a lot more entertaining.
Cable was… okay, I think? I don't know, I still have to simmer on this one. Brolin was absolutely fine, but the character, eh.
! Maybe the whole "my wife and daughter were murdered in my past" trope as a character motivation is getting worn down on me by now. But he was a fantastic counterpoint for Deadpool's character, having to be the straight no-b.s. character who's constantly rolling his eyes at DP's… everything: Comments, actions, logic, all of it.
I'd definitely would be okay seeing him in the next movie, tagging along with Deadpool as they work towards whatever their next conflict will be.Definitely the best post-credit sequence. And, maybe I'm just taking it too seriously, but…
! so he saved his gf… But did he just nullify the whole movie by doing so? I mean, I get the feeling that Cable was going to travel back in time to come after Russell regardless of Vanessa's fate since it was unrelated. Problem is, if Vanessa lives, then DP's motive for saving Russell is gone, which causes more problems for the future.
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Definitely the best post-credit sequence. And, maybe I'm just taking it too seriously, but…
! so he saved his gf… But did he just nullify the whole movie by doing so? I mean, I get the feeling that Cable was going to travel back in time to come after Russell regardless of Vanessa's fate since it was unrelated. Problem is, if Vanessa lives, then DP's motive for saving Russell is gone, which causes more problems for the future.
! I get the feeling DP3 is going to go in whatever direction it wants and not take it too seriously, or ignore it altogether. And I'm okay with that.I completely agree. Don't know if they will stay true to this action, make a joke about it, or just ignore it in DP3, but I'm okay with them fucking around.
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They've said that the end credits are canon, not just a joke.
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Here's a short article about Deadpool 2's end credits. Spoilers, obviously.
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This movie's marketing is FUCKING BRILLIANT.
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! Josh Brolin plays both Thanos and Cable. I wonder if there was an intended metaness to his casting. Deadpool's "universe" is some offshot between Fox X-Men and MCU, no?
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It just occurred to me that
! Josh Brolin plays both Thanos and Cable. I wonder if there was an intended metaness to his casting. Deadpool's "universe" is some offshot between Fox X-Men and MCU, no?
He's also in Sicario 2 which comes out in June. 3 big time movies in 3 months
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! I saw the movie, and FUCK, did I miss a cool-sounding end credits sequence.
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Yes, its easy. You just put an underlight in it and have some smoke effects so the guy inside has a spooky skeleton face rather than a big fishbowl and it works just fine. You can also slim down the bowl some to look better. Or make it reflective metal or a dark substance.
Just don't make it… a glass fishbowl.
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https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bf/22/0f/bf220fc09f398d1da63aea4d95e48440–spiderman-marvel-marvel-vs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P9WSZ6Z.jpghttps://i.pinimg.com/736x/b1/ce/63/b1ce63524e9657bf189d5d6565d2f7f8–superhero-characters-dc-characters.jpg
https://orig00.deviantart.net/92c1/f/2014/176/f/c/fcc75079696f59dc8afa4e5eccfa9b53-d7nxykg.png[/hide]This is a doctor who example and a spacesuit, but… same principle.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/ae/e6/a0aee638ecd930a84219d056fe0aba44.jpg@Count:
The fishbowl needs to be preserved in all of its pristine glory. I'm fine with either an anonymous dark silhouette inside or a spooky skull. Like Robby said, there are enough instances to show how it can work.
What I'm more concerned with is his cape and the wireframe. Strange shows that the cape can work, but they might want to make it tattered so it stands out more. Or go for more of a scarf-esque look.
But that green wireframe body suit has to be rehauled. It looks way too simplistic and tacky. But I'm sure they can add more detail or come up with something else like they did with Vulture.
I just hope that they keep Mysterio's main colors as green and purple instead of going for black and grey in a shallow attempt to make him look intimidating. Embrace how colorfully flamboyant he is. He's a showman, not a try-hard.
And while Mysterio's antics are bound to result in a lot of hilarity (I hope that Jake really hams up his voice instead of trying to sound scary in a cliche way), his illusions should also still maintain some seriousness. His illusions have been used in some very dark stories to ruin lives and manipulate heroes into killing people. They don't have to go as dark as having Wolverine kill all of the X-Men in the original comic book Old Man Logan story, but something like seeing how Peter watched Uncle Ben die (just an example, I'm not saying it has to be that) is the type of gravitas that shouldn't go to waste. Illusion powers need respect for how far they can bring up insecurities and traumatize people.
So am I the only one who thinks that this character they never used in an alternate New Avengers cover would be a good idea for a cinematic Mysterio? I mean it keeps the fishbowl head joke alive without looking to ridiculous, what do you guys think???