Chris Hemsworth found out he's predisposed to Alzheimer's while filming his NatGeo series:
https://www.comicsands.com/chris-hemsworth-predisposed-alzheimers-limitless-2658704201.html?fbclid=IwAR1z5JK5QkfJBeSO3jk3QENZWPnhowb0IN7oondOgypHy90pXiTZcSy63RM
He is too wonderful to get that.
89% on the tomatometer. I know what I'm watching on Christmas Eve this season.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_guardians_of_the_galaxy_holiday_special
The special is...not great. I like the character element for Mantis but the humor is just utterly awful and kills any momentum to the pacing. Case in point, that awful mid-chase exchange between Mantis and Drax over yard ornaments. Why not replace that with a fight scene if you want to pad the special out? Learn to do fast, visual storytelling, for goodness' sake.
James McAvoy on the 4 X-Men films he was in.
It was one of the most positive experiences I've had with a studio. I don't really [see them as just] money gigs. Days of Future Past I think is one of the better films that I've been involved in. My biggest criticism of what we did throughout the four movies was that after the first movie, we didn't take advantage of the relationship between [Xavier and Michael Fassbender’s Magneto], which really formed the backbone of the first film. So it was like, why did we just eject that massive weapon?”
Source - https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/james-mcavoy-interview-2022
Unrelated - MCU Producer Nate Moore Recently On Writing
For me, one thing I think is interesting [about Marvel’s process], and specifically for writers, I would say, a lot of times we’re pitched writers who love Marvel. And to me, that’s always a red flag. Because I go, ‘Oh, I don’t want you to already have a preexisting idea of what it is, because you grew up with Issue 15 and that’s what you want to recreate…’ I want somebody who’s hard on the material, who goes, ‘What is this? I think there’s a movie here, but maybe we should be looking at it in this way.
And I think, again, the best example of that for me was Markus and McFeely, who weren’t comic guys coming up, but were like, ‘Wait, Captain America, this seems a bit weird. What if we kinda looked at it in this way?’ And they weren’t married to anything, nothing was, you know, there was nothing sacrosanct.
And I think that’s important to be able to go, ‘Look, the source material is great, and I love it, and comics work great in the medium they were built in, but that’s not a direct, one-to-one translation to the best version of the movie.’ And sometimes it takes someone who’s out of this culture to go, ‘Hey, I know you think it should be this, but maybe it should be this other thing.
Source - The Town With Matthew Belloni Podcast on Spotify
I thought this was an interesting take for multiple reasons. I've seen fans on multiple platforms ask where they can go to attempt and write for film or TV. That's one. Secondly, many MCU writers have said they were fans of the comics and some have said that they weren't.
The part that stands out is that Nate prefers a critical take on the comics and believes that some Marvel comic fans might not be critical enough because of their love for it.
The other part that stands out is that i've found myself saying something similar in regards to the writing duo Markus & McFeely. Along with Favreau, Feige, and Whedon, that duo is responsible for the foundation of the MCU in Phase 1.
I don't think there are any others that can be credited more for the foundation of the MCU more than those 4 entities listed.
Just saw an attempt at counting screen time for MCU characters.
Simu Liu shows he's a cool guy by telling Tarantino and Scorcese to suck it:
https://www.comicsands.com/simu-liu-quentin-tarantino-gatekeeper-2658784489.html?fbclid=IwAR2BKmvtzO8RqSSpXaXiln6pSu0AY2u1Tm2jxBowsRS9h74bTqyOr9jvksk
Recently seen Sam Jackson address the same and I think most are missing the point because the messenger (Tarantino) is obviously bitter.
Tarantino is saying a movie star is created by the fans. Stallone could do Rocky and the fans would travel with him to First Blood and Cobra. Doesn't have to be every film, but at least 2 or 3.
You look at Tom Holland's non MCU films, are they generating 500M? It's being generous because the Spiderman films hit 800M minimum.
Sam Jackson mentioned Chadwick. Marshall and 21 Bridges came out after his Civil War appearance. The MCU fans did not travel with him whether it was after the solo film or Endgame.
RDJ should have three $600M films that have nothing to do with the MCU if Tarantino is wrong. Why are fans only going to see their work in mass, when it is a MCU film?
This is the point. Sam Jackson is not appearing in anything he couldn't get before being Fury. Both Chris Hemsworth and Evans should have multiple films that come close to their MCU films in fanfare and excitement.
It's not realistic. The characters are the star, not the actual actors like in the 80s-2000s. The closest is probably Sherlock Holmes, but then he does Dolittle and The Judge and those barely got much traction.
It's not about the quality of the film or actor's performance. It's about fans refusing to come out for those they defend as stars. Tarantino defined what he considers a movie star and is saying it barely exist.
A movie star can leave a franchise and generate equal or more fanfare. It doesn't sound hard to do for the star, but it is in this IP/adaptation heavy climate.
Tarantino uses this example to emphasize the fact that him and the rest of the other bitter old guys are not generating satisfying interest on their projects that aren't comic book related.
I don't care about the movie star being dead but it's also obvious that we're now in an era in which the corporate-owned IP is the star and the money-maker, not the actor or filmmaker themselves. This is bad because our stories and our characters are all wrapped up in the control of soulless corporations and our attention, time and money all belongs to those corporations and the amoral monsters that run them.
I just don't know a time when the major film studios weren't the star. Stallone has been begging for his share of Rocky for at least 40 years now. He had to give up what he wrote to be able to star in the initial film.
Fan demand and dollar play a part. When fans come out for the non IP works like they do for billion dollar MCU films, then maybe there can be a shift.
Until then, these studios will continue to block most of the original ideas and push them to streamers. The theatre is dying and hanging on thanks to fans mostly coming out for a No Way Home or Wakanda Forever. Forgot to mention sequels like Top Gun.
Good luck original works.
@Cockycent said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
It's not realistic. The characters are the star, not the actual actors like in the 80s-2000s.
This is kind of janky though because Hollywood has churned out superhero movies featuring established heroes within that time frame with stars that sucked ass.
Christopher Reeves made two bad Superman movies
George Clooney did Batman & Robin
Halle Berry did Catwoman
And then you have movies based upon characters that aren’t that well known that no one casual or hardcore cared for that also didn’t really have any major star power behind it.
Like all the Fantastic Four movies, Jonah Hex, every Punisher movie, Ghost Rider.
Like I think people like Tarantino have to temper their expectations and not expect the RDJ’s, Anthony Mackie’s, & Chris Evans’ of the world to have movies that are just as successful and iconic as their MCU roles.
@Time-Control-Magician Well, the performer, as I said, isn't the issue and that will continue to be the misunderstanding.
It's the fan that mostly refuse to get their minds out of the superhero realm and travel with the actor to try out the other films like they do for MCU content.
The problem for those in that business is that it's not exclusive to RDJ, the Chris Evans or Mackie. It's an industry wide thing where IP driven works create the most traction.
Speaking of Anthony Mackie, the clip of him repeating the same sentiment as Tarantino is making another run on Twitter because of this discussion.
They're all saying it without saying it. It's an industry no-no to say that fans are partially responsible.
@Time-Control-Magician said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
@Cockycent said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
It's not realistic. The characters are the star, not the actual actors like in the 80s-2000s.
This is kind of janky though because Hollywood has churned out superhero movies featuring established heroes within that time frame with stars that sucked ass.
People don't got to bad versions of things they like. This also applies to the Star Trek Films, Shrek, Men in Black, any Jackie Chan sequel...
JUST having the actors in a role you like isn't enough if the movie is complete garbage.
And Christopher Reeve (no S, Reeves was the tv Superman) is a bad example to pick from, given that he never escaped Superman. He got some other minor roles over the years but none of them were big parts or hits.
He was beloved as Superman, but that never followed him to any other project and its the only thing he's known for.
@Robby said in [Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs](/
People don't got to bad versions of things they like. This also applies to the Star Trek Films, Shrek, Men in Black, any Jackie Chan sequel...
JUST having the actors in a role you like isn't enough if the movie is complete garbage.
That’s the other side of the argument I was trying to point out. While it is true that people will go see superhero movies because of name recognition of said superhero even that can go only so far. Even more so if you’re casting someone in the role that the audience can’t buy into, which is how we get Brandon Routh.
...but Brandon Routh was a really good Superman? He just had a lousy script.
Also a movie that had literal decades of failed attempts adding to its official budget making it harder to recoup costs.
Same with Henry Cavill. I like him as Superman, but he needs a script that isn't trying to copy Batman.
I understand why directors like Scorsese and Tarintino don’t like Marvel movies, and I love there movies, that however does not change the fact I love a lot of MCU movies and will continue to watch them
And the first Avengers will forever be one of my favorite films regardless of what any director no matter how renowned they are says
I'm not sure what I think regarding this discussion if the actors/actresses of superhero movies are the stars or only the heroes they portray. In a lot of cases, it's been the actors portrayal of a certain character that made the whole thing work, be it Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, Chris Evans as Captain America, Tom Hiddleston as Loki etc. Would all of these films really have been as succesful without the charisma of their lead actors? Could they have just recast Tony Stark at the start of Phase 3 and nobody would have cared since we all came to see Iron Man anyway, not specifically Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man? I don't think so. In many cases, the actors have made stars out of the superheroes with their portrayal just as much as the films have made stars out of the actors.
And there is no denying imo that many superhero films have indeed made household names out of their lead actors in return, with Chris Hemsworth maybe being the most notable example.
Now, is Tarantino right when he says the fans don't follow their favorite actors to their other movies when they aren't portraying their superhero alter egos? Partially. I'd say they don't follow them blindly. I can only speak for myself, but when I read about some new movie and hear that it stars actors or actresses that I know and like from the MCU, for example, this will peak my interest and I will keep an eye out for that movie. So I would say it definitely helps a film if it has stars with a big fanbase in it. It's just not the only reason to watch a film for me. If everything else about the movie sounds or looks really crappy, I'll probably not watch it in theaters, at least. For example, yeah, if I hear Robert Downey Jr. is in a film, sure, I'll check it out, but if it turns out to be pretty bad like Dolittle was, pass.
But I think an actor most famous for playing a superhero character can definitely help attract an audience for his other films. Ryan Reynolds is a really good example for that. After Deadpool, he definitely gained a lot of new fans, and I absolutely think that was a benefit for films like Free Guy, which did pretty well for a comedy film that belonged to no particular franchise and was also released in the middle of the pandemic. The thing is though, that film had also other things going for it, i . e. it was a good comedy in general.
Never watched Brandon's film, but I hate his performance of Ray Palmer. There is no character I hate more from the Arrowverse than Ray. I celebrated once he left Legends.
There were tons of complaints over Iron Man being able to translate in film. Fans wanted more of the "A list" - F4, Hulk, X-Men, Peter. I think Magneto, Venom, and Wolverine were a few of the ones tossed around a lot.
On top of that, some weren't sold on RDJ either on message boards. He was deem a washed drunk. Due to Iron Man being well received, Marvel was able to stick to their plan despite Thor and Cap 1 not getting the best reception. I think some might forget how hard it had to be in Phase 1.
Forget RDJ, the Chris Evans criticism before a trailer can even drop was stronger than the "why is the Brokeback Mountain guy cast as Joker" crowd's nonsense. These are just not names that people were sold on to go out to the theatre.
It was more of Marvel Studios proving themselves in a tight window where Sony and Fox were doubling down on showing weakness. If Sony and Fox were putting out X-Men 1st Class like quality projects as opposed to the Wolverine Origins debacle, then there might be more of an even playing field.
Just slap Feige or Marvel Studios brand onto a project and there will be automatic interest.
I'll be honest, i'm kinda bitter watching everyone's favorite characters get adapted. I've been waiting on Ka-Zar and Tigra for over a decade now. Don't care if it's a 1 off special. I need the Savage Lands.
Thought he was bland. But not as bad as I remember a lot of people droning on about him at the time.
Brandon Routh was really inexperienced and had to channel Christopher Reeve on his film. I felt like her performance as Superman improved dramatically when he got to stretch a bit more for Crisis on Infinite Earths.
wait the golde being at the end of the second film became a kid? what?
@puffing-cinema It's supposed to be Adam Warlock.
Finally saw Black Panther. Awesome, if very heavy. Which hey, it's Chadwick Boseman's send off, of course it is. Just a lot to emotionally process.
Angela Basset killed it. Letitia Wright KILLED IT. Tenoch Huerta Mejia was awesome. Dominique Thorne was obviously enjoying herself. Everyone else did great like the first movie. Namor was a great anti-villain who I loved see fighting. The mid-credits scene could only make me say, "Marvel, you sneaky bastard."
@Cockycent said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
Well, that was heavier than expected. Not sure I like it.
@Satsuki said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
@Cockycent said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
Well, that was heavier than expected. Not sure I like it.
Jeez, this film might make cry, I can already tell. I bet they are going to kill of Rocket, maybe Drax, too.
I actually really enjoyed the GotG Christmas Special. I'm especially glad it gave a lot of screen time to Mantis since, until now, she's been kind of the weak link of the group and hasn't had much of a chance to stand out as a character. But I think the special gave her a bit more depth and at the very least showed she's capable of getting some laughs as well. Would've been nice if it were a little more substantial, maybe if there was a B plot or something. And where the hell was Gamora? I don't think she even got a throwaway line explaining where she was. Also, the new Groot just doesn't look right. Still, relatively minor complaints in what I think is an overall really solid special.
[And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon]
If Guardians 3 is as heavy as it looks, then a happy Christmas special is definitely needed.
@Nobodyman said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
And where the hell was Gamora? I don't think she even got a throwaway line explaining where she was.
She wasn’t part of the team by the end of Endgame and is off doing her own thing. Think the plan is to explain what she’s been up to in the 3rd movie.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
[And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon]
Oh, I don't know who Chris Pratt is crying for next to that, I assume is surgical equipment, but that looks like it'll be a heartbreaking scene. There's really no one on the other side of that screen who I wouldn't care about.
@Nobodyman said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
@Gizmo Could've sworn I saw in Thor: Love and Thunder, but I guess not.
Yeah she wasn't.
And given the way Quill acted in both Thor L&T, and the Guardians Holiday special, it seems like he's given up looking for Gamora(or at least it being his priority) and focusing on being a (more)serious leader of the Guardians, rather than the goofball he was in the first two films.
Question, with the insane amount of heroes that are in the MCU now, from all the movies and tv shows, who’s going to be in the Avengers
I really hope Shang Chi makes the cut
I think the plan is for there not to be an active Avengers team until the next movie requires one to form.
Well our new Captain America is obvious, Doctor Strange is highly likely, I would HOPE Shang-Chi makes the cut, and Captain Marvel might be there as well. Not sure about new Black Panther or Spiderman. I would love it if Moon Knight was there, but that's all up in the air.
Wow, Insomniac spidermen are right there. I'm PUMPED for this one. Is it still being divided in 2 movies?
@puffing-cinema said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
Wow, Insomiac spidermen are right there. I'm PUMPED for this one. Is it still being divided in 2 movies?
Yeah, but they’re not being labeled as part 1 and 2 anymore. The third movie is now Beyond the Spider-Verse iirc.
Oh hey, look at who else is going to be in Across the Spider-Verse! https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1602718353029844994
Hell yeah!
It says something that this trailer has over 7 million views in only 10 hours.
The movie was really well done. I'm hoping the second movie is, too. The way the animation and directing was so lively really sold the first film so this one has much to live up to.
Cool. Iron Man being included in the National Registry:
https://screencrush.com/national-film-registry-2022-iron-man/?fbclid=IwAR2sD9MfWAb9vGR1TqRDdVcidymhSwkLqEhKaGpBUh2Elx3RVWdkqIAUFbo
Also includes ones like The Little Mermaid and When Harry Met Sally.
Which X-Men characters are you guys hoping join the MCU?
I'm tired of Jean and Scott being the only ones from the OG 5 to not get switched out. Their relationship is so boring.
Most Xs I like have already been done, but I wouldn't mind another go at Storm, Kitty Pride or Rogue.
@Shiebs said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
Which X-Men characters are you guys hoping join the MCU?
All the big ones have already been done so no biggie.
Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto are givens for getting in. Probably Mystique since the previous films made her into a big deal. Storm is almost certain given she's THE prominent female black character. Beyond that it's almost impossible to say who gets in. Tho since they've even already put Stewart's Xavier in once and Jackman's Wolvie is getting another go in Deadpool maybe they actually sidestep those for a while and do something weird. (And the Colossus we've already gotten in Deadpool works for me.)
It's be nice to see them do a proper version of Nightcrawler rather than the nonsense he was in the films. Proper runs for Kitty and Jubilee. Go REALLY out there and grab some characters from the spinoffs instead of the over-exposed main line. Characters that have been really affected by their powers and can't live a normal life.
Like Chamber or something.
@Robby it makes me so sad that they had an amazing actor like Elliot Page, as one of the best characters in Marvel and they barely used him, it’s a shame
Also I want to see the bromance between Sunspot and Cannonball on the big screen, especially after they ruined Luke Cage and Iron Fists friendship
In general the main x men I want to see, in no particular order, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Ice Man, Beast, Storm, Night Crawler, Wolverine, Colossus, Rogue, Gambit, Kitty Pride, Psylocke, and somewhere down the line the new mutants
I’m definitely forgetting a bunch lol
I just don’t want them to make the Wolverine show again, everyone needs some time to shine, each and everyone
GAMBIT. Can we get a fucking big role Gambit?
That would be a non mon cherie
Shiebs said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
and somewhere down the line the new mutants
Don’t think the stink of the last new Mutants movie will have been washed off by then. But if they can dust off the Dark Phoenix saga after they fucked it up in X3 to make an even worse movie down the line why not?
