The Calamities have to be Zoans, otherwise Kaidou's dream of all Zoan army is ruined from the start, right? And yeah, i'm going along with the Awakened Zoan theory. Maybe in the process of awakening the Zoan DF you start to retain features from theZoan animal, like halfway through into changing completely, thus keeping your sanity and also taping the immens strength that Impel Down Zoans had.
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Maybe he's awakened. Just differently than those guards. It's possible you either control it or you don't.
Not too sure on the scorpion. Then again, we've had Onigumo as an arachnid and scorpions fall in the same category.
And the two bug zoans from Tontatta Army. Pretty sure Oda put all those earth arthropods in one group.
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The Calamities have to be Zoans, otherwise Kaidou's dream of all Zoan army is ruined from the start, right? And yeah, i'm going along with the Awakened Zoan theory. Maybe in the process of awakening the Zoan DF you start to retain features from theZoan animal, like halfway through into changing completely, thus keeping your sanity and also taping the immens strength that Impel Down Zoans had.
Also depends on when and what fruits you find, since BB pirates are known as fruit hunters yet there are still some left without fruits like Burgess or shilliew right before absalom got there.
And SHs show why you need a few non fruit users too, since then the full crew can't swim or is weak to seastone.
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@uniaka:
Also depends on when and what fruits you find, since BB pirates are known as fruit hunters yet there are still some left without fruits like Burgess or shilliew right before absalom got there.
And SHs show why you need a few non fruit users too, since then the full crew can't swim or is weak to seastone.
Ofc, but the subject in question was King who has wings and has a fire coming out of his back …so if it is a DF , then it's a Zoan most likely.
As for Queen, she could be just a cyborg and maybe have a weapon arm that "ate" a Zoan df ... that would be cool.
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@Long:
Hey man ive been getting sick of him lately but chopper is still a strawhat lol
He is so underdeveloped that I forgot him completely. Not a good look, I know.
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And the two bug zoans from Tontatta Army. Pretty sure Oda put all those earth arthropods in one group.
Blimey, forgot about those 2.
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@Big:
He is so underdeveloped that I forgot him completely. Not a good look, I know.
You uncovered yourself as specist. Is Chopper no more than a pet to you? :sad:
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If most people still think Luffy is weaker than Katakuri, then how do we expect Zoro or Sanji to even be in the same league as King and Queen?
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Blimey, forgot about those 2.
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You uncovered yourself as specist. Is Chopper no more than a pet to you? :sad:
Remembers the start of WCI
Well, he's not much of a doctor.
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Uh, how did you come to that conclusion.
The way he looks and his epithet. Feels fitting that Kaido, a more Eastern-style dragon, would have a more Western-looking dragon on the crew.
Oda actually gonna have SH defeat a Yonko this time so of course there isn't a major female top tier involved. It's the main reason why I think BM will be dealt with by another faction.
Doesn't mean I can't be disappointed there isn't more diversity. Also, while I am in theory of the mind that this will happen (if only under specific circumstances - which are bolstered by Moria now having shown up again and obviously in need of new allies), why are you believing a Yonkou will fall this time around, especially one physically stronger than the last one they couldn't put a dent in?
Queen might have a Scorpion DF, if those Beast Pirate ships from the Zou arc are any indication.
I wonder how many different kinds of scorpions there are, since I want Ritchie from Buggy's crew to eat a Scorpion DF and become a Manticore.
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You uncovered yourself as specist. Is Chopper no more than a pet to you? :sad:
Given how few shining moments he had for some time, I think Oda himself sees him as not much more than this right now. :sad:
Seriously guys, I only skimmed through the chapter (as I did with admittably too many in the last few months), no need to publicly stone me.
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If most people still think Luffy is weaker than Katakuri, then how do we expect Zoro or Sanji to even be in the same league as King and Queen?
Here's what I'm thinking: Katakuri is Big Mom's main heavy. He's pretty much in a league of his own among that crew. If he's not strong enough on his own to make the Calamities think twice about messing with him, then Big Mom is at a huge disadvantage as a Yonkou as each of the other Sweet Commanders can't hold a candle to him. It would make sense for the stalemate between their two crews to be such that while BM is weaker than Kaido, she has the advantage of numbers with Zeus, Prometheus and Napoleon, and while Katakuri is probably stronger than each individual Calamity, there are three of them. That ensures that if a full-scale war broke out, the winner will have a Pyrrhic victory and be no better off than if they had been the one to lose.
We've also got to consider that Zoro's just picked up a second Kitetsu sword. Who knows what effect having two of them will have, let alone if and when he finds the third? Also Sanji's got the Raid Suit now. If those aren't going to be factors in making them stronger to rise to the challenge of the Calamities, I'm not sure what else possibly could be. Also I think Jimbei is going to be one of the fighters who takes on one of them (I'm betting King, just cause fire and water; a throwback to his fight with Ace).
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I think it's a little too early for zoro and sanji to defeat top commanders, since I expect them to only do that close to the end, so I bet more on luffy's rivals, supernovas, to take them on. If they do that now, then what will sanji and zoro do when they will be pirate kings crew, beat yonkous?
As team up, it could work, as in have zoro/sanji team up with Others to beat king or queen, it would still show queen/king is > any of them in 1vs1. For luffy it makes sense to suprass the top commanders now since he is going for something that is even above yonkou captains.
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The way he looks and his epithet. Feels fitting that Kaido, a more Eastern-style dragon, would have a more Western-looking dragon on the crew.
Dragons dont usually have bird wings and by that second argument, Jack shouldnt be a Mamooth.
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@vlad:
i have a good feeling that oda will show us some go' ol sanji battle power,
he has to proove us that he is still part of the monster triodon't give up hope ^^
I already did… After 8 years and a whole arc in the YEAR OF SANJI
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@S.C.:
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Well, he's not much of a doctor.
He literally said he didn't have enough medicine on him.
Plus, Big Mom is the obvious Elbaf Arc antagonist, as she has too many ties with that country.
It's too soon IMO to say anything's obvious now that the Elbaf theories have gotten complicated with the fact that she's going to Wano.
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@uniaka:
I think it's a little too early for zoro and sanji to defeat top commanders, since I expect them to only do that close to the end, so I bet more on luffy's rivals, supernovas, to take them on. If they do that now, then what will sanji and zoro do when they will be pirate kings crew, beat yonkous?
As team up, it could work, as in have zoro/sanji team up with Others to beat king or queen, it would still show queen/king is > any of them in 1vs1. For luffy it makes sense to suprass the top commanders now since he is going for something that is even above yonkou captains.
I dunno, I mean there's still Blackbeard's commanders and the Governent to tango with, I don't think it'd be too crazy. That said, I'm happy with them fighting weaker enemies this arc, if that's how Oda wants to do it.
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Here's what I'm thinking: Katakuri is Big Mom's main heavy. He's pretty much in a league of his own among that crew. If he's not strong enough on his own to make the Calamities think twice about messing with him, then Big Mom is at a huge disadvantage as a Yonkou as each of the other Sweet Commanders can't hold a candle to him. It would make sense for the stalemate between their two crews to be such that while BM is weaker than Kaido, she has the advantage of numbers with Zeus, Prometheus and Napoleon, and while Katakuri is probably stronger than each individual Calamity, there are three of them. That ensures that if a full-scale war broke out, the winner will have a Pyrrhic victory and be no better off than if they had been the one to lose.
We've also got to consider that Zoro's just picked up a second Kitetsu sword. Who knows what effect having two of them will have, let alone if and when he finds the third? Also Sanji's got the Raid Suit now. If those aren't going to be factors in making them stronger to rise to the challenge of the Calamities, I'm not sure what else possibly could be.
I like your take on Katakuri, and this subject in general.
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@uniaka:
I think it's a little too early for zoro and sanji to defeat top commanders, since I expect them to only do that close to the end, so I bet more on luffy's rivals, supernovas, to take them on. If they do that now, then what will sanji and zoro do when they will be pirate kings crew, beat yonkous?
As team up, it could work, as in have zoro/sanji team up with Others to beat king or queen, it would still show queen/king is > any of them in 1vs1. For luffy it makes sense to suprass the top commanders now since he is going for something that is even above yonkou captains.
Thing is, Zoro doesn't do team-ups when it comes to fighting another swordsman.
Here's what I'm thinking: Katakuri is Big Mom's main heavy. He's pretty much in a league of his own among that crew. If he's not strong enough on his own to make the Calamities think twice about messing with him, then Big Mom is at a huge disadvantage as a Yonkou as each of the other Sweet Commanders can't hold a candle to him. It would make sense for the stalemate between their two crews to be such that while BM is weaker than Kaido, she has the advantage of numbers with Zeus, Prometheus and Napoleon, and while Katakuri is probably stronger than each individual Calamity, there are three of them. That ensures that if a full-scale war broke out, the winner will have a Pyrrhic victory and be no better off than if they had been the one to lose.
We've also got to consider that Zoro's just picked up a second Kitetsu sword. Who knows what effect having two of them will have, let alone if and when he finds the third? Also Sanji's got the Raid Suit now. If those aren't going to be factors in making them stronger to rise to the challenge of the Calamities, I'm not sure what else possibly could be. Also I think Jimbei is going to be one of the fighters who takes on one of them (I'm betting King, just cause fire and water; a throwback to his fight with Ace).
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kaido's crew, excluding Orochi's forces, are overall weaker than Big Mom's. That Ace novel (I know people argue if it's fully canon, but meh) implied that BM has the strongest crew.
As for Zoro, while I'm sure he'll get it eventually, he doesn't have the sword just yet. In fact, it may very well be setting himself up for a big loss where he loses a sword, as I can't see Zoro carrying around 4 swords. It'd be redundant.
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Thing is, Zoro doesn't do team-ups when it comes to fighting another swordsman.
King having sword doesn't really make him swordman, could be as swordman as fujitora, law, hawkins are. The shogun from the land of samurais swordmen is more likely to to be about proper swordmanship then king.
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@uniaka:
King having sword doesn't really make him swordman, could be as swordman as fujitora, law, hawkins are. The shogun from the land of samurais swordmen is more likely to to be about proper swordmanship then king.
He's likely a Zoan user. Granted it may be a Mythical one, but it'll still be far more straightforward than a fight against Law or whatever. Not that it matters, since Zoro has fought several people who didn't use "proper swordmanship".
If Oda actually has him fight King, it'll be by himself.
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Since he's sporting a big ass katana in a swordsman country, odds are he's actually a swordsman.
Especially when you consider none of the other prominent members of Kaido's crew seem to be swordsmen.
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The final Road Poneglyph is said to be "lost", so I'm doubtful that it can be found on Elbaf. More to the point, all the Road Poneglyphs thus far have been "convenient" for the Strawhats in some way. They were gladly shown the one on Zou and given information on its purpose, how to use them and the location of the two others. And though those two others were/are under heavy guard, they are also in the possession of individuals that the Strawhats were planning on confronting regardless, thus meaning that they never had to really go out of their way to acquire them.
I don't think the last Poneglyph will be completly hard to get for the Strawhats, rather somehow unexpected. Maybe Shanks is hiding it, so no one can reach Raftel. Or Buggy will find it somehow. Robin will have to do enough detective work on the true history itself.
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Since he's sporting a big ass katana in a swordsman country, odds are he's actually a swordsman.
Especially when you consider none of the other prominent members of Kaido's crew seem to be swordsmen.
Didn't Holdem have katana too and never used it? And he is wilfire, even having some permanent flame on the back, suggesting his powers are about that.
Kaidou has nation of hyped samurai swordmen with orochi as leader as his allies, he doesn't need his own zoro too in the actual crew. Diamante is example of swordman zoro didn't get, even if he was more of a swordman then pica in dressrosa. And with the hype samurais of wano got, it would really be stupid if the best swordman is the guy that is no even from the samurais of shogun, but one of the beast pirates.
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He literally said he didn't have enough medicine on him.
It's too soon IMO to say anything's obvious now that the Elbaf theories have gotten complicated with the fact that she's going to Wano.
I don't think there should be any question about it though. We have the Giant Prince she tried to trick, the Elder Hero she killed, the fact someone from there witnessed her eating Carmel and Co., Hajrudin and Gerth having a story with her, etc. And this is not even mentioning Big Mom's own interest in the island. Everything of importance Oda introduced about this island so far has some ties to Big Mom.
Essentially, we have an easy target for Giant hate. The same way we can say Kaidou is being fought in Wano due to how much story he has there, we can do the same for Elbaf and Big Mom.
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I already did… After 8 years and a whole arc in the YEAR OF SANJI
I hope you will still be able to enjoy Sanjis big fight once it comes, rather than just take it reluctantly with a meh feeling :)
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I don't think there should be any question about it though. We have the Giant Prince she tried to trick, the Elder Hero she killed, the fact someone from there witnessed her eating Carmel and Co., Hajrudin and Gerth having a story with her, etc. And this is not even mentioning Big Mom's own interest in the island. Everything of importance Oda introduced about this island so far has some ties to Big Mom.
Essentially, we have an easy target for Giant hate. The same way we can say Kaidou is being fought in Wano due to how much story he has there, we can do the same for Elbaf and Big Mom.
Yes, I remember her ties to the place. The theories made perfect sense as far as putting her there, even if there was yet to be any foreshadowing actually indicating that she planned on suddenly returning there. Then Ch. 907 happened, and now I don't see how anyone can be 100% confident in saying that she'll be a traditional antagonist for that arc. Emphasis on traditional. There's several ways the story can go. Again, reiterating that I'm not saying she won't end up there, it's very much possible, just that it is uncertain how things would play out if we actually get her there.
And I would disagree with Kaido and Wano being the same as BM and Elbaf. Wano is Kaido's territory that he rules over, it's effectively a larger scope of what Doflamingo was to Dressrosa, resulting in Luffy needing to kick the threat out. Whereas for Big Mom, she has beef with the Giants, but it's a location that she has no dominion over, and currently has no incentive to suddenly go there aside from the possibility of chasing the Strawhats there. It goes against the grain of the context most OP antagonists find themselves in, where the Strawhats meet them already in control of their respective territory. Which ironically we've already done with Big Mom as well, concerning Totland.
I'm just keeping an open mind here.
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Wasn't it kind of different/weird for Moriah to feel bad for hurting the town people when he found out Absalom was ok?!? character growth lol
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@Buggy:
Wasn't it kind of different/weird for Moriah to feel bad for hurting the town people when he found out Absalom was ok?!? character growth lol
First of all, those weren't Town People. This is a pirate base occupied by Blackbeard. Also, Moria isn't saying he is sorry about it, just pointing the fact he went overload for no reason.
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@Buggy:
Wasn't it kind of different/weird for Moriah to feel bad for hurting the town people when he found out Absalom was ok?!? character growth lol
Yea I liked that a lot lol
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At first, it seems I was wrong about Moria being a coward, but only because he's clearly too stupid to pick his fights wisely. He has a valuable Devil Fruit, he knows these pirates collect Devil Fruits, and yet he waltzes both his most treasured minion and then HIMSELF directly onto death's door. And now Perona is on the fast-track to the "borrowed time" club. The Darwin Award has never been given to a more deserving character in this manga.
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First of all, those weren't Town People. This is a pirate base occupied by Blackbeard. Also, Moria isn't saying he is sorry about it, just pointing the fact he went overload for no reason.
Aw, but I want him to be sorry for it. I love it when Oda makes his villains be sweetie-boys.
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First of all, those weren't Town People. This is a pirate base occupied by Blackbeard. Also, Moria isn't saying he is sorry about it, just pointing the fact he went overload for no reason.
Still, the Moria that we have seen before would've just shrugged off instead of even acknowledging it
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Thing is, Zoro doesn't do team-ups when it comes to fighting another swordsman.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kaido's crew, excluding Orochi's forces, are overall weaker than Big Mom's. That Ace novel (I know people argue if it's fully canon, but meh) implied that BM has the strongest crew.
As for Zoro, while I'm sure he'll get it eventually, he doesn't have the sword just yet. In fact, it may very well be setting himself up for a big loss where he loses a sword, as I can't see Zoro carrying around 4 swords. It'd be redundant.
Brook being a swordsman is redundant and he ain't going anywhere, and I've made peace with that. But since Kinemon and others seem to have made a big deal out of the sword Zoro got from Thriller Bark, he might trade that one up for the other Kitetsu just to make it fair and square. It would be kind of hilarious if Wado Ichimonji turned out to be the first Kitetsu or something like that so he doesn't have to forsake it to complete the collection of the rest.
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@Buggy:
Still, the Moria that we have seen before would've just shrugged off instead of even acknowledging it
I was honestly so surprised that he said that, that I've been waiting for someone to tell me that the translation was wrong!
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Here's what I'm thinking: Katakuri is Big Mom's main heavy. He's pretty much in a league of his own among that crew. If he's not strong enough on his own to make the Calamities think twice about messing with him, then Big Mom is at a huge disadvantage as a Yonkou as each of the other Sweet Commanders can't hold a candle to him. It would make sense for the stalemate between their two crews to be such that while BM is weaker than Kaido, she has the advantage of numbers with Zeus, Prometheus and Napoleon, and while Katakuri is probably stronger than each individual Calamity, there are three of them. That ensures that if a full-scale war broke out, the winner will have a Pyrrhic victory and be no better off than if they had been the one to lose.
We've also got to consider that Zoro's just picked up a second Kitetsu sword. Who knows what effect having two of them will have, let alone if and when he finds the third? Also Sanji's got the Raid Suit now. If those aren't going to be factors in making them stronger to rise to the challenge of the Calamities, I'm not sure what else possibly could be. Also I think Jimbei is going to be one of the fighters who takes on one of them (I'm betting King, just cause fire and water; a throwback to his fight with Ace).
While you may be right that Katakuri might be stronger than all the calamities, their bounty's are likely to be higher than his. And plot wise, that usually means they are marginally stronger. But even if they aren't stronger, but "close to" Kata, that still feels like way too much of a reach for Zoro/Sanji at this point.
I think team-up takedowns or combo's with other Supernova might make more sense. Like Killer + Zoro for King and Sanji + Hawkins/Drake/Apoo for Queen.
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While you may be right that Katakuri might be stronger than all the calamities, their bounty's are likely to be higher than his. And plot wise, that usually means they are marginally stronger. But even if they aren't stronger, but "close to" Kata, that still feels like way too much of a reach for Zoro/Sanji at this point.
I think team-up takedowns or combo's with other Supernova might make more sense. Like Killer + Zoro for King and Sanji + Hawkins/Drake/Apoo for Queen.
Maybe. It's also possible the Calamities aren't equal to each other like with the Sweet Commanders. But the majority of the problem with Katakuri anyway was his Observation Haki, since he could just counter anything Luffy could throw at him until he pulled out Snake Man to match his speed, and exceed him in raw power. These guys clearly have more tricks up their sleeve so they can offset a simple difference in physical prowess with their added abilities.
But I'd like to see Zoro team up with Hawkins, Sanji team up with Apoo, and Jimbei team up with Drake against each of the Calamities, while Luffy, Law and Kidd take on Kaido. At least until Moria shows up and make Luffy go Uber Nightmare Luffy with all the Supernova shadows.
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I see Neko and Inuarashi as Jack's opponents. I think it would be fitting that those two have to fight together to take him down.
I think team ups with the mid tier nova make sense, leaving the top tier for Kaido
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I really don't think we will get teamups, at least not against the calamities in a 1 vs. 2 (or even 3) scenario. Oda doesn't seem to like it when protagonists gang up on someone if the strength difference isn't overwhelming.
Even against Doflamingo Oda added a "Token-Trebol" to make it look somewhat fair, despite Trebol not really being close to either Law or Luffy in strength.
And I think he has a point, ganging up on someone is what bad guys and weaklings do. Worst case it makes the reader root for the villain if it's the protagonist who's acting like one. Pirate or not.
I think a group attack on the strongest god-creature in the world is possible, but Zoro or Kid shoudn't need help against a calamity or Orochi. They are Worst Gen too after all, the difference isn't that huge.As for Neko and Inu vs. Jack, I could see one of them jobbing hard (due to unfavorable circumstances) and the other finishes the job when Sulong kicks in. But again, not fighting him at the same time.
If they even get a fight, I could imagine Oda abusing them as hype-fodder for King and Queen instead. Which would be sad, but he can't use Sanji for that role every single arc. -
Both Jinbe and Sanji were clearly much stronger than Wadatsumi and they still teamed up against him in what could only be called an overkill. And we also just got out of an arc where Luffy teamed up with Nami to win one of his two fights (and despite his impenetrable defense, Cracker was not actually stronger than Luffy, much less overwhelmingly).
I would like team-ups because I think it is time for the Monster Trio (Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe) to fight enemies of that caliber, but I can't see them beating those by themselves when we just got out of Luffy struggling to do so (… actually, I could see Jinbe fighting evenly with am Emperor Commander, no problem. But for the sake of not disrupting the power balance of the SH I will have to think he can't from now on).
My dream matches, as I stated a few times before, would be each of them paired with one of the girls (including Carrot) against a Calamity. But Oda is not the kind who goes for things like that, following such a perfect by-the-book structure, so even if one of the Monsters get to fight a Calamity, teamed or not, I doubt we'll see all the three following the same pattern. -
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Both Jinbe and Sanji were clearly much stronger than Wadatsumi and they still teamed up against him in what could only be called an overkill.
Did you feel good when a former Warlord and our main protagonist blasted the insides of a gigantic child, followed by a fullbody incineration? I mean they had good reasons to do so (Wadatsumi's mere presence was too dangerous to take chances) and Oda needed a way to form a bond between Jinbe / Sanji after their rocky start, but it was still a very unsatisfying conclusion for me. One shouldn't feel bad for the enemy once everything is said and done.
I don't know. Just imagine Zoro and Kid standing triumphant over a defeated King, high-fiving each other. Just sounds incredibly wrong to me.
And we also just got out of an arc where Luffy teamed up with Nami to win one of his two fights (and despite his impenetrable defense, Cracker was not actually stronger than Luffy, much less overwhelmingly).
It was Luffy and Nami vs. Cracker and Brulee. Nami just won "her part" early. It wasn't a clean fight, almost no One Piece battle is (which makes them interesting), but it was fair when it comes to numbers. The general depiction matters in my book, not so much the details.
I would like team-ups because I think it is time for the Monster Trio (Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe) to fight enemies of that caliber, but I can't see them beating those by themselves when we just got out of Luffy struggling to do so (… actually, I could see Jinbe fighting evenly with am Emperor Commander, no problem. But for the sake of not disrupting the power balance of the SH I will have to think he can't from now on).
If Oda wants them to beat enemies of that calibre then now is the time, this close to the final war. At the very least when it comes to Zoro, who actually needs the street credibility for his character to work.
Of course it would be insanely hard, but in those "growth" battles they always overcome much stronger enemies. It would certainly be another Daz Bones-level fight for Zoro or Sanji(?), but I don't believe they are that far apart now.I understand that people still have Katakuri fresh in their heads and how Luffy struggled against him, but he was also the top commander and it's not like Luffy was out of commission for several days after (eating in his sleep etc.)
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I want to see Jack the Drag down on his awakened form vs Inu and Neko Sulong form
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If we are expecting all of this imagine how excited is Oda himself and can't wit to draw all these fights. He won't let the chance to show Inu and Neko Sulong, Zoan Awakenings, Zorro/Sanji CoO and CoA mastery, etc.
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If Oda wants them to beat enemies of that calibre then now is the time, this close to the final war.
If that was the case he would not gather most members of the worst generation, super strong allies like shuten maru, catviper, 2 samurais each worth 100 men, dogstorm on par with calamity jack. Close to the final war? Define close, because there could still be like 10 years until then.
And based on what you said, if oda throws some fodder in there in the fight between king and 2 supernovas, then its all ok, even if that guy gets defeated early on, because the battle started fair.
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@uniaka:
Didn't Holdem have katana too and never used it? And he is wilfire, even having some permanent flame on the back, suggesting his powers are about that.
Kaidou has nation of hyped samurai swordmen with orochi as leader as his allies, he doesn't need his own zoro too in the actual crew. Diamante is example of swordman zoro didn't get, even if he was more of a swordman then pica in dressrosa. And with the hype samurais of wano got, it would really be stupid if the best swordman is the guy that is no even from the samurais of shogun, but one of the beast pirates.
Holdem is a mere henchman with a poor man's devil fruit.
Can't compare him to a vice captain of the crew, carrying a nice big juicy katana on his side.
Kaido doesn't have a nation of swordsmen, he's allied to a tyrant ruling the nation, who might easily lose a big number of those swordsmen. Not to mention the good guys will have like 5 proper swordsmen on their side by the time this arc reaches its peak
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Holdem has same rank as all the supernovas from kaidou, and he is the one heandliner that rules the city when jack is not there, so he is not some mere henchman. And while the fruit is some zoan copy, I have yet to see normal zoans shoot fireballs.
And if having katana makes king likely enemy of Zoro, then king having power to fly and fire powers makes him even more likely enemy of sanji.
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If i was Oda, i would pair Zorro and Sanji with someone that doesn't suit their fighting style so that they need to really give their best and even more to win.
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@uniaka:
Holdem has same rank as all the supernovas from kaidou, and he is the one heandliner that rules the city when jack is not there, so he is not some mere henchman. And while the fruit is some zoan copy, I have yet to see normal zoans shoot fireballs.
And if having katana makes king likely enemy of Zoro, then king having power to fly and fire powers makes him even more likely enemy of sanji.
Luffy decked him with one punch. Not exactly a Zoro opponent material.
I could see Chopper fighting him, or something.
Both are possible, options. Except no they're not, because there's no way in hell Sanji will fight a vice-captain.
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I'm not going to get into theoretical chapter counts, but for me there is a significant distinction to be made between what we, as fans, think/know that Oda wants to cover and what Oda himself knows that he wants to cover. I don't think anyone, myself included, can purport to have a full grasp of Oda's "checklist", so saying everything left can (to say nothing of will) be wrapped up in Elbaf->Raftel->Final War is a pretty bold assertion. Even if there are no other "major" arcs, I don't think a couple of smaller arcs (Punk Hazard or even Zou length) would necessarily be out of place, especially for plot points that don't necessarily weave into the big ones naturally. For example:
Setting aside the fact that I highly doubt we will be getting anything beyond exposition-dumps and flashbacks for what's left of the Reverie, we have no indication that Vegapunk is actually in Mary Geoise - last we heard, Smoker and Tashigi were making a fairly lengthy trip to get the Punk Hazard kids to him - and even if he were, the Strawhats are not (unless one counts Vivi).
Furthermore, the point isn't his introduction, but rather what role he will play going forward. There's his past connections to both Caesar Clown and Vinsmoke Judge, his role in the development of the Pacifistas (to say nothing of what he did to Kuma), and whatever he's cooked up to render the Shichibukai obsolete that may factor in. Even beyond his role as the World Government's inventor extraordinaire, there has long been suggestion that Vegapunk will answer many outstanding questions on the nature of Devil Fruits, which has the potential to tie directly in to Blackbeard's "power hunting" operations and how precisely that is being accomplished.
Whether he's really a threat that needs to be dealt with or not, I think there are pretty significant reasons for the Strawhats to meet him - and soon.
The final Road Poneglyph is said to be "lost", so I'm doubtful that it can be found on Elbaf. More to the point, all the Road Poneglyphs thus far have been "convenient" for the Strawhats in some way. They were gladly shown the one on Zou and given information on its purpose, how to use them and the location of the two others. And though those two others were/are under heavy guard, they are also in the possession of individuals that the Strawhats were planning on confronting regardless, thus meaning that they never had to really go out of their way to acquire them.
Thus, to my mind, the last one should be the MOST "inconvenient" to retrieve, hopefully forcing Robin to do some detective work in piecing together its location and possibly even setting off a race with other factions (Blackbeard, for example) to get to it first.
If it were simply Luffy paying a visit, and maybe having some words with Marco, a couple chapters would be plenty, but the reason I mentioned Weevil is that it's entirely possible Marco CAN'T handle him. He may not be particularly smart, but Weevil's been compared to Whitebeard in his prime when it comes to raw strength and his entire M.O. has been hunting down the former Whitebeard commanders in search of recognition (and treasure). If Weevil is too much for him, then Whitebeard and Ace's graves are likely in danger. Beyond that, we don't actually know the content of Marco's message to Luffy yet.
Furthermore, if the topic of Rox and other pirates that were active 40 years ago is intended to be a big deal in the series proper, as opposed to just a hook for the next movie, a confrontation would give a chance for both Bucking and the late Whitebeard himself to have their part of that story told.
All interesting ideas, but we don't have any real insight into Teach's plans at the moment. Short of his active Devil Fruit hunting and a general notion that he's shooting for Pirate King like Luffy, we have very little to go on as when trying to divine Blackbeard's motives, and thus no real way to predict his actions beyond a general sense that he's probably up to something. I think a confrontation with Shanks is probably in the cards, but that's more due to past foreshadowing than anything we've seen recently. Beyond that, I don't know that we can really say anything.
I wouldn't say that the length of the arcs post-timeskip is the notable feature, but rather how interconnected they are. Again, I don't think a couple of shorter arcs would be out of place, and trying to cram everything into the big ones may not always be viable. Sometimes the best way to give a particular plot thread extra narrative weight is to let it stand on its own.
I will point out that Chopper was actually there looking after O-tama, but you're right on this otherwise…
Thank you for your answer to my post. It made me overthink some things.
I might have a too fixed view on many things regarding One Piece, but there's always the potential that some of these views might be proven wrong. For instance, I was very much in line for the Diamond-Shiryu-thing.
I haven't read One Piece full in a long time. I should do that and come back later, recuse myself a little bit, before I go on about giving strong predictions.
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Luffy decked him with one punch. Not exactly a Zoro opponent material.
I could see Chopper fighting him, or something.
Both are possible, options. Except no they're not, because there's no way in hell Sanji will fight a vice-captain.
Depends, if zoro gets shogun and shogun is at least on par with calamities or above, maybe sanji will get king. Not that king is confirmed as vice captain or strongest. Sanji and zoro team up on king would be good if king is swordman that has flight advantage over zoro but sanji would cancel that advantage.
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@uniaka:
Depends, if zoro gets shogun and shogun is at least on par with calamities or above, maybe sanji will get king. Not that king is confirmed as vice captain or strongest. Sanji and zoro team up on king would be good if king is swordman that has flight advantage over zoro but sanji would cancel that advantage.
I feel like Wano allies could handle Shogun and pirates could handle pirates. It makes sense that native forces deal with native enemies and foreigners deal with foreign elements.
You're not seriously suggesting that Zoro fights King while riding piggyback on Sanji who uses sky walk?
Then again, that would at least make Sanji useful. :ninja:
I feel like, since last arc we had Luffy barely defeating an executive, this time Zoro could follow in the same footsteps.