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Damn. Forgot the chapter title.
Chapter 920: For Love of Oden
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Ah, there ya go. You can't travel back in time. Everyone can relax now.
But uh, wow, I gotta digest this chapter for a bit, a lot to take in.
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Is it just me or did we already know, or strongly suspect, like, 90% of this?
Purely coincidence
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The panic from last week from some people dies down with that "you can't travel to the past" line. :happy:
I never would've expected to see the other silhouetted Calamities this soon, that was a very pleasant surprise. One of many dope panels of the chapter. Dopest being the giant alliance panel.
Guess I need to watch 47 ronin! Wano is references on references.
Oni Island looks sick. I wonder what size it will actually be? It needs to be quite large if that's where the entire battle is taking place. Though I'm quite certain the Flower Capital will not remain untouched, that's not Oda's style.
Croc or Enel would never.Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
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So Onigashima is an island of Wano Kingdom or far away from it? :wassat:
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I’m so happy that you can’t travel to the past with this fruit. Thank you Oda for not going full time machine with this fruit.
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The fact we didn't hear everything Kinemon says means we'll be getting a flashback to 20 years ago.
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So, is the 5th samurai on the flashback Tenguyama ? Was he left behind to take care of Hiyori ? Is Hiyori Shutenmaru's real identity ? Will she join the crew :) ?
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Among all the silhouetes, there is one retainer who kneel in front of Toki but isn't sent with Kinemon. Could he have been sent with Momo's sister at another time ?
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One disaster Looks like Pika and the other Looks like Polchemy (from Luffy's flashback) or Charlotte Cinemmon (or Citron).
Zoro is so gonna mess things up now. He'll sail right to Onigashima Island.
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Good chapter, but not amazing. A chapter focused on a story without telling the story. Noice.
Well, I can't really empathize with it if most of the story was omitted and most of what we got was reaction shots of the Strawhats… but it must be really good if Luffy didn't fall asleep.
I don't have anything to say regarding the few things that we actually learned in this chapter, but it was an enjoyable reading nonetheless.
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The page where we can't see what Kinemon is telling them is really weird. I don;'t know if it's my fault for reading it in the wrong order but Kinemon appears laughing with Luffy about something, Sanji is awestruck by something and then Nami&co are smiling/laughing also. If this is the right order then it means Sanji caught a gist of what happend before then, hence has made a connection that the others didn't at first. They look griving in the next panels on the top again, but Sanji's one is in the middle of the "smiling" panels so idk what to make of it.
Luffy vs Katakuri Full fight: https://www.docdroid.net/qrFOY9p/luffyxkata.pdf
Luffy vs Cracker Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/Pk06JZL/luffy-vs-cracker.pdf
Luffy vs Doflamingo Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/VDl3Ctf/luffyxdoffy.pdf
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Yeah, was just thinking how there's bound to be a big flashback.
Dare I hope for the Lady Kozuki to spill the beans on some things from the past? ^^
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Those name drops were crap.. was expecting more badass character design than the smiling buddha, an old monk, sushi master and a dojo master.
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The page where we can't see what Kinemon is telling them is really weird. I don;'t know if it's my fault for reading it in the wrong order but Kinemon appears laughing with Luffy about something, Sanji is awestruck by something and then Nami&co are smiling/laughing also. If this is the right order then it means Sanji caught a gist of what happend before then, hence has made a connection that the others didn't at first. They look griving in the next panels on the top again, but Sanji's one is in the middle of the "smiling" panels so idk what to make of it.
He told them the whole story with ups and downs. Those reaction panels are most likely not simultaneous but at different parts of Kinemon's recount.
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He told them the whole story with ups and downs. Those reaction panels are most likely not simultaneous but at different parts of Kinemon's recount.
Yeah, it could be that. The story probabil tells also about the "Pirate Incident" 23y ago (https://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/909/13). And btw, i love that buddha monk guy.
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Best part of the chapter was when Sunkist and Sauron knocked each other out and each thought he won lol
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Hmm, so Momo’s mom is probably from the Void Century, and along with her daughter (Tama?) is probably still alive. The last retainer is the person who met with Crocus, and could also be Tama’s caretaker Tengu.
Otherwise this was a predictable chapter, excited for what comes next.
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Among all the silhouetes, there is one retainer who kneel in front of Toki but isn't sent with Kinemon. Could he have been sent with Momo's sister at another time ?
I would've guessed maybe the Tengu guy was sent to land in an earlier time period with Hiyori and she was raised undercover as Tama, but Kiku doesn't respect Tama like she does Momo. And Tengu would have to be the shittiest retainer ever to let his lord's daughter continuously run off to neighboring villages on her own and repeatedly consume poisoned food/water.
I predict a future plot thread being that Orochi kidnapped and raised Hiyori just as an extra dick move, and she'll have to be convinced to come back to the Kozuki side.
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Hmm, so Momo’s mom is probably from the Void Century, and along with her daughter (Tama?) is probably still alive. The last retainer is the person who met with Crocus, and could also be Tama’s caretaker Tengu.
Kiku knows Tama. If Tama was Momo's sister, there's no way she would just be allowed to slum it with no food in the middle of nowhere.
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I predict a future plot thread being that Orochi kidnapped and raised Hiyori just as an extra dick move, and she'll have to be convinced to come back to the Kozuki side.
Maybe she became "Queen". None of the three silhouettes alongside Kaido looked female.
Purely coincidence
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Zoro sense of direction never ceases to amaze bet he ends up at Kadiou base.
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I was taken off-guard by the nature of the title, but man did the stuff in the chapter make it fitting lol. Oden is so perfect. Looking forward to the full flashback to see the full taste of him as a character.
Nice infodump to clear some things up. Seems like Kaido was there for 20 years after all, and of course the confirmation that no one's going back in time is a nice one. And it looks like we get a compromise for people who didn't think Kaido would be defeated this arc/on Wano - still think he'll go down this arc, but with a little change in locale first. Maybe it'll be an Enies Lobby-type situation.
And man, I had thought before about how fucked up Kin'emon's situation had gotten when we first met him as a farting set of legs on Punk Hazard, but him outlining it just solidified that. And it was only an intercepted distress call from one of the PH workers he was attacking that caused the Straw Hats to come there. Absolutely crazy.
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Maybe she became "Queen". None of the three silhouettes alongside Kaido looked female.
Or the captain of what will be Wano's equivalent of the Shinsengumi :ninja:
But I still think Rebecca-esque princess character is the most likely to happen. -
So one does wonder how a bunch of gnats are going to fare against a dude who even BM think is stupidly hard to kill
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But I still think Rebecca-esque princess character is the most likely to happen.
I think Oda got enough pushback on that that he's unlikely to do the same thing again.
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Ok, hat-guy wasn't send like Kinemon+co 20 yrs into the future (we don't see him with them after the jump).
He and Momos sister were either being tossed further into the future (where things are settled and just fine),
or he and Momos sister were tossed not as far into the future and are now covering up their identities with being the tengu-guy and Tama.
It's pure speculation though. But this way Momo's sister grew in Age and had the Chance to meet Ace. -
Calling it here: O-Tama is going to be revealed as Momo's sister jumped in an early timeslot.
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being tossed further into the future (where things are settled and just fine),
If it turns out that Toki just warped herself and her daughter to like, a month after where Kinemon's gang landed, past Kaidou's inevitable defeat at the hands of Luffy's plot armor, it'd be a hilarious dick move.
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Calling it here: O-Tama is going to be revealed as Momo's sister jumped in an early timeslot.
That wouldn't make sense given how Kiku has treated her.
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I gonna throw a curveball and say Hiyori(weather) is actually Nami.
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Kiku knows Tama. If Tama was Momo's sister, there's no way she would just be allowed to slum it with no food in the middle of nowhere.
Maybe she became "Queen". None of the three silhouettes alongside Kaido looked female.
Well, we know Tengu said he is also waiting for someone for a very long time and also that he can't go into town "for certain reasons". It is either that he has a wanted poster or people will recognize him somehow. That means he is either one of Oden's retainers from 20y ago that weren't transported with Toki's powers or he is Shuten Maru/Wanted man in Wano.
The could be a scenario where Toki sent Momo's sister and Tengu into the future, but not 20, merely a couple of years and thus nobody is recognizing her to be his sister. We know they were there at least 4y ago when Ace arrived in Wano and that means that Tama has grown up quite a bit since 20y ago and at that time she was probably so little that she didn't have any specific facial features to be recognized by.
If you put yourself into Toki's place, you wouldn't want to send Hiyori with them 20y in the future giving their mission was to take down Kaidou and open the borders, she would've choosen a safer/less complicated course of fate for her young daughter. So i can't drop the possible theory that Tama is her (she is young, a main character from the start, Oda has build much on her background & has DF powers ).
The guy that appears in the cover page talking to Crocus has the same hat as the one in Kinemon's flashback (the mysterious retainer) but it isnt unusual, and he also has the same hair like Tengu more or less.
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Why would a retainer be talking to Crocus?
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So one does wonder how a bunch of gnats are going to fare against a dude who even BM think is stupidly hard to kill
Definitely not as planned. :P
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If you put yourself into Toki's place, you wouldn't want to send Hiyori with them 20y in the future giving their mission was to take down Kaidou and open the borders, she would've choosen a safer/less complicated course of fate for her young daughter. So i can't drop the possible theory that Tama is her (she is young, a main character from the start, Oda has build much on her background & has DF powers ).
Lolwut? How is that a safer/less complicated course of action? Why have your infant daughter live for ~5 years in extreme poverty under a despotic regime when you can just send her directly to after the day is saved?
Purely coincidence
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I'm with the theory that tengu is the unknown retainer and tama is hiyori.
A 4 year old could look pretty different as an 8 year old and kiku seems a bit 'slow' so it's a possibility, a bit of a stretch maybe, but still possible.
It's possible that toki wanted to send hiyori and the other retainer with the rest of the team but her power got disrupted and the 2 ended up in another time. A very common plot for any time travel related stuff.
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The page where we can't see what Kinemon is telling them is really weird. I don;'t know if it's my fault for reading it in the wrong order but Kinemon appears laughing with Luffy about something, Sanji is awestruck by something and then Nami&co are smiling/laughing also. If this is the right order then it means Sanji caught a gist of what happend before then, hence has made a connection that the others didn't at first. They look griving in the next panels on the top again, but Sanji's one is in the middle of the "smiling" panels so idk what to make of it.
Yes this page was a little weird to read. I thought at first I missed a page but it is just a part of the story Oda didn't want to tell. Like he didn't want to reveal the character design. I understand he wants to do that in the future flashback but that still make it not very confortable to read
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I'm with the theory that tengu is the unknown retainer and tama is hiyori.
A 4 year old could look pretty different as an 8 year old and kiku seems a bit 'slow' so it's a possibility, a bit of a stretch maybe, but still possible.
Slow how? It's obvious that her actions beforehand were due to it being very important that she doesn't blow her cover.
Also if Momo could remember having met Roger, Tama should be able to remember of one of her loyal retainers…
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Lolwut? How is that a safer/less complicated course of action? Why have your infant daughter live for ~5 years in extreme poverty under a despotic regime when you can just send her directly to after the day is saved?
She couldn't have known how Wano state would be like 20y in the future right? She probably sent the main forces with Momo (who could at least walk and handle himself) 20y from then and Hiyori with somebody else to live in hiding/increase the chance of on of her children to live. There could be arguments for this theory aswell as against it. I didn't say it is the only possible one.
Anyway, she most likely sent her daughter too in the future with someone, as i can't see her just playing 50/50 with which child is going to take the trip and whose going to become ashes. -
So, a question of the toki toki no mi: Is there a limit to how far you can jump in time? Could you theoretically travel to like the heat death of the universe? And if so, would that mean nobody else can have the toki toki no mi because nobody technically died and had the fruit reincarnate? Obviously there's not enough info to safely conclude about this stuff, but hopefully we'll learn more about it as time goes on. Time travel in fiction is always an iffy subject to tackle, and I hope this doesn't create too many headaches down the road.
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Slow how? It's obvious that her actions beforehand were due to it being very important that she doesn't blow her cover.
Also if Momo could remember having met Roger, Tama should be able to remember of one of her loyal retainers…
Well, if tama really is hiyori, she should be much younger than momo as she met ace years ago.
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Just realized one of the silhouettes on page 8 is Jack. facepalm
So this is the first time we see the other 2 execs.!
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Also if Momo could remember having met Roger, Tama should be able to remember of one of her loyal retainers…
I don't buy the theory, but it's unclear how old the daughter is there. She might have been 3, and I wouldn't be able to remember someone I met at that age.
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She couldn't have known how Wano state would be like 20y in the future right?
Its pretty clear that she can, actually. She gave a prophecy, remember? That's a pretty strong indication that she can at least partially see the future.
She probably sent the main forces with Momo (who could at least walk and handle himself) 20y from then and Hiyori with somebody else to live in hiding/increase the chance of on of her children to live.
Yeah, but you would send them AFTER the point where you could reasonably expect them to be safe, no?
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Toki doesn't even need to see the future. The fact that she conversed with Kin'emon and co. beforehand makes it more likely that she just lied her ass off. From Orochi's perspective, it may as well have been a prophecy.
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Toki doesn't even need to see the future. The fact that she conversed with Kin'emon and co. beforehand makes it more likely that she just lied her ass off. From Orochi's perspective, it may as well have been a prophecy.
I don't know. The thing about 9 shadows and the moon seemed way too specific to not mean anything.
Purely coincidence
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Interesting chapter eventhough it mostly confirms stuff we were already aware of.
So, just to get things straight, the plan is to keep a low profile and secretly invade Onigashima island in 2 weeks' time ? With emphasis on not getting exposed until then ?
…Yeah, that's totally going to work with Luffy & Zoro basically making a public declaration of war in Flower Town the same morningThe only chance for this plan to not completely fail is if Hawkins somehow chooses not to rat on them. At the moment he is probably the only person in Kaido's forces who is aware of their identities, while other subordinates might just keep blaming Shutenmaru.
Anyone else got a feeling that the "5,000 strong" force to wage war is laying ground for a future call to the Straw Hat fleet ? (when every hope of secrecy inevitably goes down the drain thanks to Luffy's present and future blunders)
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That was such an enjoyable read. I'm glad that Oda didn't fully reveal the backstory just yet. Great chapter.
Somebody pointed out (over at OJ) that the 5th retainer, the one to the left of Raizou when they were standing in front of the castle and to Kanjuro's right when they were kneeling before Toki, could be the mysterious person that Crocus is having a drink with in a cover story, and that he could have been the one to have fled with/taken care of Hiyori. Hugely interesting theory.
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I don't know. The thing about 9 shadows and the moon seemed way too specific to not mean anything.
Well maybe lying's too strong of a word to use. But if you just spoke with your retainers, where they say that they will absolutely fulfill Oden's wishes, and then knowingly send them 20 years into the future with their consent with a shared goal in mind, you can very easily roll with that knowledge and effectively create a prophecy.
Although prophecy is not even the right word, because it's not like Toki said it will absolutely come true. Just that this is basically her one wish she deeply wants to see fulfilled. If her time travel abilities weren't connected to a Devil Fruit, then it would be a lot easier to buy the possibility of her being able to casually look into the future. It's just worth noting that this chapter gives us a very simple alternative to consider.
And don't get me wrong, of course it'll come true, as it's ultimately just foreshadowing at the end of the day. I was just saying that it doesn't need to be due to Toki being able to see into the future.
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Just realized one of the silhouettes on page 8 is Jack. facepalm
So this is the first time we see the other 2 execs.It could still be that guy that was watching the footage from Punk Hazard tho.
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Jack has those Viking Braids thing if I remember correctly.
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https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/920/page/9
The Samurai before Lady Toki… Could the right one be the the person who had a drink with Crocus? The hat fits. Or am I missing something?
http://www.opfanpage.com/2018/01/04/the-mystery-man-whos-drinking-with-crocus/
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Personally I don't think those 3 silhouettes are the calamities, even though the left one looks like Jack the other two don't seem like inspired designs especially when one of them literally resembles Pica. Could just be a case of Pica being inspired by him I guess?
Year of Sanji, let's go!
