Cast nine shadows across the moonlit nights… and there are eleven tombs? Maybe Oden, Odens wife and the nine sent to the future. We know about 5 of them. Are there 4 more people that we still dont know? Did one of them tell Jack about Raizo?
I dont think the shadows and the nine red sheaths are the same, because I think that Momo is a “shadow” and not a “sheath”. It could be that Momo’s mom was one of the “sheaths” but not a “shadow”, Kinemon would be in boh groups...
Now, who are the nine samurai that will actually appear and take revenge? The strawhats? They are nine, but that would leave kinemon and co outside. I think it would be some kind of mix. Zoro, Kinemon... but to be considered samurai they need a sword, and that’s why I think hat it is important to the plot that Luffy keeps his katana.
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Chapter 919: The Ruins of Oden Castle
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Awesome chapter, my guess - Kine/Kanju/Momo/Kiku/Raizou died 20 years ago but some DF (probably of Oden's Wife) gave them borrowed time to fulfill their destiny (maybe until that full moon night) and after that they might disappear - SPOILER ABOUT FINAL FANTASY X
! like Tidus in Final Fantasy X.
If oda does it this way I am gucci with time travelWas it so necessary putting a spoiler of something totally unrelated in it? It isn't difficult putting some thinking about it and putting a warning before instead of dropping it like nothing was. That's really frustrating.
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EDIT: Maybe Zoro didn't really got lost, but just jump off for the same reason Bepo stayed back at the woods? I mean, he was eating poisoned food/drinking poisoned water…
Good point.
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Ohhhh! This is gonna be one of if not the most interesting arc to date IMO. i'm very curious to see how they tackle time travel and if we'll end up seeing the Straw Hats do it sometime during the New World.
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Guys, Kinemon doesn't even understand the source of his own powers and thinks Nami is a Ninja. This isn't time-travelling, the Samurai group just went into some sort of stasis for 20 years. Probably the work of the DF power from Oden's wife, so they aren't burnt alive.
Oda does to us what Law was doing to Luffy - setting up ridiculous expectations.
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Someone pointed out to me that Kiku arrived at Okobore Town one month ago (mentioned in ch.914). So that's probably how long they've been in the present.
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Surprised to see that Kiku is also from 20 years ago. Would love some crazy theories like Okiku is Tama from the future but there's no way the timelines match lol
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Imagine the drama at the end once their mission's done (if they're all dead), and Kinemon, Momo, etc will fade into nothingness while smiling but with tears.
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Maybe the 9 saviours of Wano can end up being… the 9 strawhats
It wouldn't fit the alliance battle plot (minks+law+marco+…+SH vs Kaido+Orochi+...). I prefer them to be nine samurais, but maybe the 9 shadows will be part a joke part a serious stuff (given that Luffy is keeping a sword for a reason). At least we have 5 by now.
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Ever since the reveal of Oden's death, I've been wondering how Kaido and Orochi met each other. To think they know each other for at least two decades is quite shocking tbh. Also, do you guys think Kaido was a yonko back then? He wasn't considered a big-time pirate until after Roger's execution and I'm pretty sure it would take more than a few years to become a yonko.
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If these 5 samurais of momo count as part of the 9, I imagine luffy, zoro fit too, maybe law and new guy. The Shs don't fit because they are not samurais, at least luffy looks like one.
And another reason why it makes sense for law= shuten maru is his line about luffy not acting like a pirate when saving the leftover town, it makes sense why law didn't help them. If shuten maru was some samurai friend from wano, he would have saved them. Sorry, no new nakama this arc, even o kiku is Kinemon's wife, and that also drops the shots of kinemon himself to join the crew.
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That would be strange, why only those 9 ? It sounds a bit arbitrary.
Those are the 9 members of the alliance.
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@uniaka:
If these 5 samurais of momo count as part of the 9…
I believe Kinemon was counting Momo when he said five.
Purely coincidence
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Guys, Kinemon doesn't even understand the source of his own powers and thinks Nami is a Ninja. This isn't time-travelling, the Samurai group just went into some sort of stasis for 20 years. Probably the work of the DF power from Oden's wife, so they aren't burnt alive.
Oda does to us what Law was doing to Luffy - setting up ridiculous expectations.
Though it is also possible that it is because of Wano's closed borders.
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So Kiku is 1 of them? I wonder who the other 3 are. Can't be Dog & Cat.
damn, so momo did meet Roger…when Oden got burnt alive...it must be really recent for them...like within 6 months or were they able to stay as ghosts until 20 years were up and got released now...so still they didn't age but lived longer.
fuck, I love OP. I'm too excited
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Given his poor drawing skills, I don't think anyone would want to ride his time machine… You'll never know when it will send you to...
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The long-necked teacher is also based off a rokurokubi, Japanese monsters portrayed as women with long necks.
Thanks didn't knew that!!
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@Uncanny:
Though it is also possible that it is because of Wano's closed borders.
Yeah. Its not like devil fruit didn't exist 20 years ago.
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You say “Brook is holding Momo who seems pissed” I think he is fighting Momo because Momo was hugging Nami and he is jealous.
No actually he wanted to hug Nami more… but Brook is holding him so Momo is pissed and tryin to free himself...or Brook might just be holding him as they met after so long but Momo would rather be in Nami's arms than Brook.
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So is it implied that Bellamy went and made new flags for each of the crews within the grand fleet? Not that they received their new flags but thats what Belamy was up to. I don't know if these jolly rogers are new or not. I feel like at the very least Ideo and the Tonttatas would not have had a flag at Dressrosa.
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Since we see Ideo's group coming up with their jolly roger concept in their own mini-arc and then leaving the island they were with their ship already "customized", plus the Tontatta Pirates ship was already delivered by Dressrosa shipwrights with its flag, I assume those are not the flags Bellamy did.
Whatever he went there to do, we'll probably only find out later (… or next week).
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Those are the 9 members of the alliance.
The others strawhats are part of the alliance. Also we can see that the number of tombstones pretty matches up with this 9 number
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The others strawhats are part of the alliance. Also we can see that the number of tombstones pretty matches up with this 9 number
The prophecy said 9 shadows. And Oden had a group called "the 9 red scabbards". So I think its more that they will take up their role. Kinemon said only the five of them made it to the future.
Purely coincidence
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Huh? Nothing about Speed was suspicious, don't know why people think she suddenly broke free of Tama's control.
I think it is possible she was never under Tama's control to begin with and instead just pretended to be.
Holdem was already aware that Tama had taming powers using something that she could pull out of her cheek. Both Speed and Holdem are of the same ranking, inhabit the same city, it's not hard to think that Speed had also received the same information, so it could be very easy to her to figure out what was going on and play along (Luffy and Tama dialogue would even have confirmed that the dango was her "taming artifact").
The panel with her smiling before leaving was kinda weird. It was not a suspicious smile, sure, but having a panel just to show her profile at that moment seemed weird.
I wouldn't put my money on it, but it's a possibility.
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Hope Oda gives us a single Bellamy page for the final cover if this isn't it (even as a non-member).
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@Uncanny:
Though it is also possible that it is because of Wano's closed borders.
The reason is not important. The argument is that Kinemon is a really, REALLY terrible source of information, especially when it comes to supernatural powers and incidents. He proved it time and time again. That's why it surprises me how people take his words at face value, like Oden's wife is about to drive-by in a Delorean or sth.
I'm not even saying that Kinemon is lying. Oda doesn't do cheap shit like Kubo, where the characters are lying left and right for cheap suspense. But he absolutely loves to misdirect the readers, exactly how Law treated Luffy in this chapter.
It's actually a really genius move. He's not lying, but he's not telling the truth either. In Kinemon's eyes the Samurai absolutely travelled in time, but for everyone else they were simply in some sort of stasis (chrio chamber, cocoon, whatever). At least that's what I'm betting my money on. -
Incredible chapter. Significant quality jump from the previous 10, as if they were just a warm-up.
This chapter is far, far more than I ever expected, and I'm going to go ahead and say the storytelling Oda's doing in Wano is top class. I seriously think this will be my favorite arc when it's done. What the hell does Oda the mad man have planned for us?
That's the first thing that came to my mind, too.
This chapter has a very special "Storytelling-feel" towards it. I don't really know how to put it, it's just that it reminds me very much of the Skypiea or Water 7 chapters.
I cannot really describe what it is, but maybe that's the key point because in many cases, it's the emotional connection that's relevant, even if you can't put it quite into words And this connection is certainly there in this chapter.
Also, always great to see Nami. :wub:
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So Oden used a fruit ability to save them all from the burning castle by flinging them into the future?
Who else is desperate for flashback chapters hopefully next week?
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So they said nine SAMURAI? Then that’s the five Oden samurai, Zoro, law, and Luffy (because he has been carrying the sword and insisting he’s a samurai). No other swordsmen who can be considered samurai in the alliance.
Oh,wait. That’s eight. Who else uses a sword that I’m forgetting?
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This chapter stands high above the rest of Wano. Some nice backstory on the shogun before the huge reveal but we also got the rest of the swirlhats meeting up with Luffy as Zoro probably ran off with the same affliction as kinemon. Glad to see the start of part 2 of Wano, I have a feeling this arc will have so many characters we are going to break it into different acts like how it's done in plays.
Also I'm echoing everyone else I feel when I hope this travel will only be done forward
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So Oden used a fruit ability to save them all from the burning castle by flinging them into the future?
We don't know that for sure. It might be Momo's mom who sent them to the future.
So they said nine SAMURAI? Then that’s the five Oden samurai, Zoro, law, and Luffy (because he has been carrying the sword and insisting he’s a samurai). No other swordsmen who can be considered samurai in the alliance.
Oh,wait. That’s eight. Who else uses a sword that I’m forgetting?
That's the shogun's interpretation of the prophecy. Not the absolute truth.
Purely coincidence
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I am really wondering why the stalling with the recap cover. Is Oda trying to hit a specific mark or moment with the next cover?
The panel about thanking Luffy should have come before the goodbye with Tama.
LAw getting sick from good deeds is weird. I get not liking it but the whole make me vomit was overblown. Also if he is wondering about Speed's compliance he should just ask. But I did not mind him being a dick to Luffy and transforming everything into a spooky story.
I don't like time travel in One Piece but since it would be a take of japenese folklore I give it a pass. I wonder where are the other 4 samourais. So the Dawn was the day to save Wano. Interesting. And they've been waiting 20 years for the samourais to finally arrive. That's commitment.
It feels weird that Kaido has been in Wano for so long. Or maybe they have been partners for long but he recently came here because of the prophecy.
The shogun has a 2 sword style.
What the hell happened to Zoro?
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It can't be the work of Oden DF or magic or whatever powers because he died before the others were supposedly killed.
As for the 9 scabbards, I assume the 4 samurai who "traveled to the future" with Momo are among them. Then Nekomamushi and Inuarashi. Hitetsu is definitely another one, since he is Tama's master and she said she served the Kouzuki house (something that would have been impossible for her to have done directly now we know the family ended 20 years ago). 2 left.
I am curious as to why Kiku got separated from the rest of the time travelers. Tsuru said she appeared at Kuri roughly one month ago, I suppose around the same time Kin'emon, Kanjurou and Raizo left with Momonosuke to Zou. But while they were on the run and hiding, she apparently was living openly at Kuri, even using her real name (judging by Momonosuke and Kin'emon calling her Kiku as well).
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We don't know that for sure. It might be Momo's mom who sent them to the future.
Guys, i've figured it out. Oden/Oden's wife had the Door-Door fruit and hid them in the Door World. After she died, the fruit resurfaced and CP9 got a hold of it and gave it to Blueno. Now, Wano is far from the Grand Line and when in the Door World, Blueno didn't saw them, but when some time 2 years ago cP9 traveled to the New World and probably Wano, he enterd the Door World he saw them there and helped them get back into the real World.
Joke aside, it could work i think :))
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I really enjoyed this chapter. Personally, I wasn't quite sold on Wano in the beginning but now things are getting interesting although I'm not quite sure how I feel about the time travel. I get that it is a plausible devil fruit ability, but I'll wait to see how Oda is going to handle this because time travel usually doesn't end well.
Loved Law in this chapter. He never ceases to get a laugh from me. Zoro running off on his own reminded of the earlier days when he'd get lost and reappear at the right time. Kind of curious to see where he'll end up but also whether or not he'll get his hands on Luffy's sword.
Between Kiku, Speed & Tama, the story of how this situation came to be…. Interesting things are being set-up and its pretty exciting!
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Hahah that was a funny chapter
Anyways i hope this not a time traveler thing i feel it would ruin the story. I dont want this to be like another dragon ball story because it will open so many the "what if question" beacuse time travel open so many time paradox and that sux beacuse one piece world shouldn't be like advanced in technology ( i know pacifista and vegapunk and such ) but what i mean like one piece is about voyages like no airplane or a anything that make the voyages seems easy i dont really know how to explain this i just dont see time travel fit in one piece world or story -
anyone else realize zoro wondered off and is missing from the group
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May be to far fetched but as someone pointed out already, i think it was Oden's wife that had a devil fruit ability and like law's fruit, the power to send someone forward in time was in exchange for her own live. If her power was time related, then she might have been able to see the future to some extent, and then it begs the question what about her devil fruit once she died?
I think the person that might have eaten it was Dr. Vegapunk, that would explain why is scientific expertise is like 500 years ahead of anyone in the world, he might have used his power to see into the past (that's why he knows about devil fruits and their origins) and into the future, allowing him to advance technology.
Might be completely wrong but i kinda like this theory, what do you guys think?
I don't see the World Government and especially Inu, letting someone other than them have a fruit that can manipulate time. T
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I don't see the World Government and especially Inu, letting someone other than them have a fruit that can manipulate time. T
Maybe that's why he's working for them, kinda like being an "hostage". And he probably wouldn't be able to manipulate time, only see it like a vision, the only way for him to manipulate would be to sacrifice himself to send someone X years into the future or the past if the fruit allows it.
It's still very OP and since he's the one with the fruits power, and if we assume he's very inteligent, he might not have told them the full extent of his power precisely because of that, and being affiliated with the World Government may be the only way to fund his researches, because we know the Pacifistas are very expensive.
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Now my question is, why did Oda decide to make them time travelers? How does that change the story?
Right now the only impact I can see is:
-Wano will be more distrustful of the Kozukis
-Wano will be more resistant to Opening their borders
-Orochi will be paranoid of the Kozuki's 20 year return
-Wano has been repaired since Kaidou's first invasion,
-Wano is more heavily integrated by the Beast Pirates.
-Kinnemon doesn't totally know everything about present day WanoBut these are all relatively minor issues that he probably could have happened anyway. There's got to be something bigger.
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I was always sold on Wano because for me it's been the most hype arc I've been looking forward to ever since Kaidou was revealed.
And yea this chapter is just as good as everyone says it is.
I'm re-reading Zou and there are some interesting facts I want to point out:
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Kinemon tells Neko and Inu "I am pleasantly surprised to see both of you still alive". While this obviously refers to them surviving Jack's attack, I think it also obviously means "I'm glad you guys are still alive 20 years later". Neko and Inu then say "Death will not take us so easily, we knew that if we kept those words from that day in mind and waited, we knew our paths would cross once again". Is this referring to Oden's wife's prophecy about the 20 years?
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Kinemon says Lord Oden was executed by the Shogun of the Wano Kingdom (Orochi) and Kaidou. This means that Kaidou was actually working with Orochi ever since 20 years ago. We also know from a databook that Shanks was already considered a Yonkou before he even went to Fuusha village, so the question is whether or not Kaidou was already a Yonkou 20 years ago or not.
Either way, this confirms Kaidou's been working with Orochi for at least 20 years. I thought Kaidou and the Beast Pirates setting up shop in Wano was a relatively recent thing (maybe like 5 or 10 years ago) but it seems it's way longer than that.
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Kinemon then points out that Oden "protected us to his very last breath". Whether it was Oden's DF power or his wife's, I believe it was some sort of Cryostasis power as many people here have speculated. Oden/his wife put their son along with the 8 others into Cryo until they were awoken in present-time.
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Kinemon then RIGHT after says Oden was executed because Kaidou was attempting to extract information from him. Namely, the reveal that Oden was part of Gold Roger's crew. We had always assumed, given Momo's young age, that Oden being murdered was a relatively recent event. Roger himself was executed 20-ish years ago, right? This means that Oden was pretty much tortured/killed by Orochi/Kaidou not too long after Roger conquered the Grand Line.
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Momo has a clear flashback crying out for his mother while the surroundings burn, meaning Momo probably witnessed his mother die. Someone also has a speech bubble in the flashback "We've gotta run! There's a safe place we can go" which might be the statis area or something to that effect. Momo also has a flashback to Kaidou calling his father a foolish lord and though the panel is tiny…Kaidou looks really similar. Meaning in 20 years he probably hasn't aged or at the very least his appearance hasn't aged.
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This is something that went over my head the first time I read Zou, but Luffy asks Kinemon and Kanjuro if they accompanied Oden on the Moby Dick. Kinemon says they didn’t, and remained in Wano. However, from a time perspective, this doesn’t quite make sense. Kinemon’s not THAT old, so when Oden (and Neko/Inu) went on the Moby Dick DECADES ago, Kinemon and Kanjuro would have been like children at the time. Now that we know they’re from 20 years in the past, this discrepancy makes sense.
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Following up from that, as a user here pointed out earlier, Momo says he met Roger and Usopp calls him a liar since he’s only a kid, but obviously now we know Momo wasn’t lying at all. He really did meet Roger.
With all of this information a crude timeline can be constructed.
-Inu and Neko are "not much older than Buggy and Shanks were" when they served as Oden's vassals on both the Moby Dick and the Oro Jackson.
-At some point, both Whitebeard and Roger briefly land on Wano. Momo meets Roger even though he was a very small child at the time.
-Later, Roger conquers Grand Line with Oden (but not Inu or Neko), in tow.
-Oden returns to Wano and chooses not to share the secrets of Raftel with his retainers.
-Oden is tortured by Kaidou for information regarding Raftel and then is killed by Orochi/Kaidou. We also know Kaidou personally killed Momo's mom.
-Before dying, Oden (or his wife) "flings" Momo and the other 8 20 years into the future (probably by putting them in some kind of stasis)
-Before dying, Oden declares his dream to his retainers "Open the borders of Wano Country".
-Momo and the rest "wake up" 20 years later, realize that Orochi and Kaidou are running Wano.
-Momo and group decide to honor Oden's last wish to open the borders of Wano, and set to accomplish this by murdering Orochi
-Kinemon and everyone leave Wano to go recruit strong members to kill Orochi, starting with the minks of Zou.
-On the way to Zou, Kinemon and everyone get shipwrecked and Raizou gets separated. They drift to Dressrosa and are captured by Doffy’s subordinates. Momo hides on a ship that leaves for Punk Hazard and Kinemon follows him there.
-Momo gets placed in the Biscuit Room and then later finds his way into Vegapunk’s old office where he eats the Artificial DF.
-Kinemon bumps into Law who dismembers him
-Luffy and everyone find KinemonWhen I first saw Kinemon on Punk Hazard I was just like "o cool a random samurai from Zou" but once we got to Dressrosa it was obvious these guys were important to the overall picture. Clearly Oda has been planting the seeds of all of this even as far back as Punk Hazard, so with the newest chapter all the events from Punk Hazard, the recent history of Dressrosa pre PH, and obviously the events of Zou are put in a whole new light. I really like this twist that they're all from 20 years in the past, and that combined with how solidly and gradually Oda's been building all of this up makes Wano just as hype as I was always hoping it would be.
I really have to give props to Oda for REALLY gingerly setting all this up across multiple arcs in the span of like what 7 years or something?
Fucking awesome. Wano's the arc I've always been waiting for. Jinbe will probably be FINALLY joining, Kaidou is the villain I've been looking forward to Luffy confronting the most (for right now, anyway), and we even know Kid and Apoo are here somewhere.
I honestly can't wait. I'm so pumped.
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At first I read Oden's wife's words as a "prophecy", but now it sounds to me like part of the "sorcery" that sent the Nine Scabbards to the future.
I'm considering both JB's and Mangastream's translations.
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Haha Speed played them for fools.
HAHAHAHA !!! You guessed it right. The last two panels of O-Tama and Speed gave it right away !!!
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Fucking awesome. Wano's the arc I've always been waiting for. Jinbe will probably be FINALLY joining, Kaidou is the villain I've been looking forward to Luffy confronting the most (for right now, anyway), and we even know Kid and Apoo are here somewhere.
I honestly can't wait. I'm so pumped.
You've sold me. Thanks for breaking this down, I'd never be able to piece it together! Everything is definitely falling into place, it suggests the defeat of Kaidou have real meaning other than what's been suggested.
I can get behind the whole traveling forward in time, as long as there's no traveling back in time, that's just cheap. For the time being it's pretty much the equivalent of the characters being frozen.
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You've sold me. Thanks for breaking this down, I'd never be able to piece it together! Everything is definitely falling into place, it suggests the defeat of Kaidou have real meaning other than what's been suggested.
I can get behind the whole traveling forward in time, as long as there's no traveling back in time, that's just cheap. For the time being it's pretty much the equivalent of the characters being frozen.
Yea the only thing I'm rethinking is that it may not have been a DF power since both Oden and his wife confirmed died. But I'm almost 100% they were put into some sort of stasis and i HIGHLY doubt there will be any past time travel involved.
Like you said, it's pretty much the equivalent of the characters being frozen.
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Yea the only thing I'm rethinking is that it may not have been a DF power since both Oden and his wife confirmed died. But I'm almost 100% they were put into some sort of stasis and i HIGHLY doubt there will be any past time travel involved.
Like you said, it's pretty much the equivalent of the characters being frozen.
It wouldn't surprise me if characters were sent forward in time, there are only so many original DFs and time travel covers one.
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I'm not buying the stasis/frozen theories. Because apparently they got cornered at the castle, where they were about to be burned alive. Whatever happened seems to have happened suddenly or in the nick of time, as opposed finding a place where they could just remain undetected for the next 20 years.
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I'm not buying the stasis/frozen theories. Because apparently they got cornered at the castle, where they were about to be burned alive. Whatever happened seems to have happened suddenly or in the nick of time, as opposed finding a place where they could just remain undetected for the next 20 years.
Well someone said during the brief flashback of the castle being burned that there was a safe place they could run to. Whether this is referring to a temporary safe hiding spot until the attack by Kaidou/Orochi died down, or the actual place that kept them for 20 years, we don't know yet.
HOWEVER, my guess is that Oden and his wife absolutely died before Momo and the rest were sent to the future. I'm guessing this because Momo says his mom was killed personally by Kaidou, so he probably witnessed it. Kinemon and the rest clearly state Oden sacrificed himself to protect them from Kaidou and gave them his final dream probably right before he died.
So like, if it was a Devil Fruit power that sent them to the future, it couldn't have been his parents because he witnessed them die. UNLESS Momo and the rest were sent RIGHT before Kaidou gave the finishing blow to his mom, that WOULD lead Momo to just put 2 and 2 togehter and assumed Kaidou actually finished her off.
I don't know. It seems to me Momo personally witnessed it. There's a flashback of him profusely crying for his mom while the surroundings burn. While that flashback panel could have been at ANYTIME during the raid of the castle, it really seems to me like it was a flashback panel of the exact moment where his mom died.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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So it was time travel in the end. Meh. I hope that's the last we ever hear of it. At least this gives decent answers to a number of questions the setup had been leaving open - including that Momo did meet Roger, why Noseguy said he has been waiting for someone (guess he must be faithful to the Kozuki clan), possibly even Nekomamushi's cryptic "I am waiting for the dawn of this world" (although this could also have ties with Roger and the will of D, I seem to remember Pedro said something similar while refering to the Straw Hats during WCI)
Do you think the "9 shadows" of lady Kozuki's curse and "9 red scabbards" are the same people ?
Shutenmaru could be one of them, so with the 5 time-travellers already known to us that would leave 3 more "shadows" to discover, but I have a hard time picturing Momo as a part of the "red scabbards" group (sounds like a bunch of warriors). Could be one or two of the red scabbards did kick the bucket back in the day (or stayed behind and survived in secret, e.g. Noseguy), while Momo + unknown Kozuki + 7 scabbards (someone noted there are 11 graves including 4 lordly ones - those with the small rooftop) were sent forward in time.Wasn't Noseguy with Tama 4 years ago during the famine? Kinemon, Kiku & company seem to have arrived in this time period like a month ago. Just a guess going by when Tsuru said Kiku suddenly showed up in leftover town.
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And another reason why it makes sense for law= shuten maru is his line about luffy not acting like a pirate when saving the leftover town, it makes sense why law didn't help them. If shuten maru was some samurai friend from wano, he would have saved them.
Or Shuten could just be a selfish guy who's only stealing food enough food for himself to survive?
Not even Naruto resorted to time travel
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there's ten tombs tho, Luffy=Oden, SH's=The Shadows:ninja:
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I didn't know that, but nice. That's an even greater catch, so kudos for them.
But I jumped on the train when there was more evidence to be something that I arbitrarily consider "statistically more relevant" as a possibility.
If you go back to Zou, you'll see that the conversation that they all had after the Raizou reveal has a lot more sense. There is also the fact that Momo was 8, and that Cat and Dog had come bacl 20 years ago clinging to their life. Which is coincidental to when Roger finished his travels. Putting the two together should have been the biggest evidence for ot. With Momo's comment on Roger being the nail in the coffin.
I was to caught up with Momo being the sort of character which disguise is of a child but he is an adult. Due to his pervyness, I was blinded by the most obvious answer.
I would recommend reading Zou from the Raizu's reveal until they leave and it is really nice with the current knwloedge how it all faññs in place.
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Random thought, could Kaido be a SMILE user of 100 beasts?
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The prophecy said 9 shadows. And Oden had a group called "the 9 red scabbards". So I think its more that they will take up their role. Kinemon said only the five of them made it to the future.
Huh…? I missed that. Where Kindemon said only five made it?
there's ten tombs tho, Luffy=Oden, SH's=The Shadows:ninja:
Actually there're 11 tombs = 9 samurais + Oden + his wife, lady Oden, the sorcerer who, bravely, before her final death, casted the spell with her time travel fruit
